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Wasim Ghulam said:
Pak has most expensive Energy prices in world when compared to what Pakistanis make officially .

Pak has highest Electricity prices in the region and probably behind one or two countries in world. After Taxes a unit costs 60 to 70 PKR

and if we talk about Petrol , Its 370 PKR per litre.

For an outsider like you and your fellow Indians , Pakistanis should nt be able to afford this. and why not? your media has been telling you Pakistan is bhikari desh , dnt even have Ata

But have you seen protests in Pak over such high pricing of daily utilities that we apparently cant afford? Everytime if there is a news that Petrol price is going to increase after Midnight , You cant even get your tank fillled , because all petrol punps have huge lines blocking traffic.

Lets say people dnt want to protest , But they keep buying expensive petrol . There is no let up in consumption Either. People go about their lives as if nothing happened. Such high energy prices and supposed of low income of Pakistanis should trigger a slowdown in demand but its actually opposite in Pak. GOP cant keep up with denabd that they have to initiate natioan wide austerity measures on fuel consumption , Cutting down work hours and work week to 4 days only. Not that Pakistani people cant buy it but because GOP is nt assured about Supply. For Every 10$ rise in Brent price , Pak import bill goes by by 2 billion $ . Our Govt dnt have $ to pay for import bill but our public has been keeping up with their wallets Thats why you see Naqvi today was asking Pakistanis to bring back 30% of the wealth they have invested in Dubai
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These are mental gymnastics. Pakistan awaam is not know to fight againts their regime. Not when Imran Khan was jailed. Not when elections were rigged. Even not today when their economy is diatressed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2044219256938856768

People from Lahore should tell the truth but on twitter, power issued in Pakistan paint a different picture.

These austerity measures are infact done to make the pain less. If not, people will start complaining on roads. Its doest show some rising demand. Its just a measure preparing for the worst.

India has 60 days of their oil secured. So, they aren't worrier yet.

And these austerity measures will only impact the economy.
 
Theanonymousone said:
These are mental gymnastics. Pakistan awaam is not know to fight againts their regime. Not when Imran Khan was jailed. Not when elections were rigged. Even not today when their economy is diatressed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2044219256938856768

People from Lahore should tell the truth but on twitter, power issued in Pakistan paint a different picture.

These austerity measures are infact done to make the pain less. If not, people will start complaining on roads. Its doest show some rising demand. Its just a measure preparing for the worst.

India has 60 days of their oil secured. So, they aren't worrier yet.

And these austerity measures will only impact the economy.
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People from Lahore will tell me nothing because i live here myself

This Kirmani Guy is Bitter because he left the Govt Party

Austerity measures are done by Govt to make its own pain less. I know plenty of Business owners who dnt want to Shut Shop after 8 or 10 PM. Lot of retail businesses rely on late night sales and despite paying highest prices of Energy ( Fuel and Electricity ) in the region and also worldwide compared to incomes and Highest amount of Indirect taxes paid by Middle class on literally everything thats consumable , Pakistani Public is standing Tall and hardly complains.

Infact Pakistan is now Subject to reserach about one of the fastest transformation to Green Energy in the world.

Pakistanis spent almost 7 Billion $ since 2020 to Install solar rooftops on Households and Businesses. Infact its almost making Power producers and Suppliers irrelevant. Govt has to reneg on incentives given to Solar Adapters but it wont Stop

You see how fuel is so expensive , Watch Pakistanis Pivot to EV mode to an extent Energy imports in this country will become irrelevant Soon

All of this is not funded by Arabs or Govt. Its private equity and saving of people of Pak. Keep testing the resilience
 
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Wasim Ghulam said:
People from Lahore will tell me nothing because i live here myself

This Kirmani Guy is Bitter because he left the Govt Party

Austerity measures are done by Govt to make its own pain less. I know plenty of Business owners who dnt want to Shut Shop after 8 or 10 PM. Lot of retail businesses rely on late night sales and despite paying highest prices of Energy ( Fuel and Electricity ) in the region and also worldwide compared to incomes and Highest amount of Indirect taxes paid by Middle class on literally everything thats consumable , Pakistani Public is standing Tall and hardly complains.

Infact Pakistan is now Subject to reserach about one of the fastest transformation to Green Energy in the world.

Pakistanis spent almost 7 Billion $ since 2020 to Install solar rooftops on Households and Businesses. Infact its almost making Power producers and Suppliers irrelevant. Govt has to reneg on incentives given to Solar Adapters but it wont Stop

You see how fuel is so expensive , Watch Pakistanis Pivot to EV mode to an extent Energy imports in this country will become irrelevant Soon

All of this is not funded by Arabs or Govt. Its private equity and saving of people of Pak. Keep testing the resilience
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So are there no power cuts / load shedding in Lahore?? Not as a sarcasm but trying to understand the situation, as I saw tweets saying 4-5 hours power cuts. Can paste those tweets but that would just be spamming.


Wasim Ghulam said:
Infact Pakistan is now Subject to reserach about one of the fastest transformation to Green Energy in the world.

Pakistanis spent almost 7 Billion $ since 2020 to Install solar rooftops on Households and Businesses. Infact its almost making Power producers and Suppliers irrelevant. Govt has to reneg on incentives given to Solar Adapters but it wont Stop
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This is due to gross mismanagement by government giving unreal pricing power to IPPs. Pakistan has minimal solar power manufacturing and this is not a sustainable plan. The only reason this happened is because the consumers were forced due to higher prices from Chinese IPP firms.

Consumer burden is fine but Industrial energy requirement is the key with Pakistan having no plans for solar parks as imports are still expensive.
Wasim Ghulam said:
You see how fuel is so expensive , Watch Pakistanis Pivot to EV mode to an extent Energy imports in this country will become irrelevant Soon

All of this is not funded by Arabs or Govt. Its private equity and saving of people of Pak. Keep testing the resilience
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And Solar book is a good thing in Pakistan. But without policy support, it will be limited to consumer adoption. Pakistan’s energy mix is still heavily reliant on fossil fuels.

Electricity generation alone, still is 75-80% fossil fuel. Compare that to India, without solar boom at domestic level, India crossed 50% from non-renewables, due to policy push.

This EV adoption is a whole different thing. Without subsidies, EV growth is dead slow due to higher costs.
 
Theanonymousone said:
So are there no power cuts / load shedding in Lahore?? Not as a sarcasm but trying to understand the situation, as I saw tweets saying 4-5 hours power cuts. Can paste those tweets but that would just be spamming.
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Like I said its Govt Problem. It does nt want to burn fuel to produce electricity and conserve its reserves. not that Pakistanis cant pay for it. The cuts dnt matter. People have back ups in their homes

Theanonymousone said:
This is due to gross mismanagement by government giving unreal pricing power to IPPs. Pakistan has minimal solar power manufacturing and this is not a sustainable plan. The only reason this happened is because the consumers were forced due to higher prices from Chinese IPP firms.

Consumer burden is fine but Industrial energy requirement is the key with Pakistan having no plans for solar parks as imports are still expensive.
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We all know the reason. it does nt matter what the reason is. Pak installed 35 GW solar capacity in last 2 years. Now if you compared that to France in Europe , Its lifetime solar capacity is 33 GW.. Pakistan beat France's lifetime adoption in 2 years worth of Solar imports

Pak's total Solar imports from China is more than combined Solar import of whole of Africa

All of this did nt happen with Govt funded plans. Its all Private Equity

Pakistanis are nt Stopping. Govt has to discourage Solarisation now because IPPs cant be paid anymore from Grid.

What does this tell you? Pakistanis are very resillient

Theanonymousone said:
And Solar book is a good thing in Pakistan. But without policy support, it will be limited to consumer adoption. Pakistan’s energy mix is still heavily reliant on fossil fuels.

Electricity generation alone, still is 75-80% fossil fuel. Compare that to India, without solar boom at domestic level, India crossed 50% from non-renewables, due to policy push.

This EV adoption is a whole different thing. Without subsidies, EV growth is dead slow due to higher costs.
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you are missing the beat. Pak is reliant on Energy imports but it wont be in coming future. IPP contracts will expire in 2033 . You will see Much faster Adaption after that.

Here is one video to give you context


Why do you think Pak wont give Subsidies on EV?
 
Theanonymousone said:
Pakistan having no plans for solar parks as imports are still expensive.
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Why do you need Industrial Sized Govt Funded Huge Parks when China can give us Cheap ones to install at rooftops and Businesses as well?

Thats what has been happening

Pak does nt need Solar Manufacturing to sustain revolution

China is doing that Job for us making cheap Solar Panels and they make more than what they need.

Solarisation already accounts 20% of Pak Energy Mix within 5-6 Years. A population of 240 Million thats crazy percentage. If Govt gets out of the way to protect IPPs this could be quick 75% Transformation

Indians talking about Its sustainbility without knowing Ground realities of Pakistan
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Why do you need Industrial Sized Govt Funded Huge Parks when China can give us Cheap ones to install at rooftops and Businesses as well?

Thats what has been happening

Pak does nt need Solar Manufacturing to sustain revolution

China is doing that Job for us making cheap Solar Panels and they make more than what they need.

Solarisation already accounts 20% of Pak Energy Mix within 5-6 Years. A population of 240 Million thats crazy percentage. If Govt gets out of the way to protect IPPs this could be quick 75% Transformation

Indians talking about Its sustainbility without knowing Ground realities of Pakistan
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Inds are experts on everything except what is happening in their own home. Once they get out of their echo chambers they realise the world does not revolve around them.
 
U.S. Navy has turned back 8 crude tankers that tried to test the blockade near Iranian ports since Monday.

All reversed. All complied. What happened to the IRGC navy?

:klopp :kp
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
you are missing the beat. Pak is reliant on Energy imports but it wont be in coming future. IPP contracts will expire in 2033 . You will see Much faster Adaption after that.

Here is one video to give you context
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I get your point. Domestic adoption is good. But they are not integrated with grids. Look at any country moving towards Solar energy and you understand the importance of Grid stability. Without policy push it wont be achieved. For those who can afford solar panels, its good. But for those who cant, the costs of electricity with further increase as consumption on Grids will reduce drastically.
Wasim Ghulam said:
Why do you think Pak wont give Subsidies on EV?
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Pakistan doenst have its own EV production. What benefit does Pak government get by subsidizing EVs?? They will be bankrupt even faster if they do.
Wasim Ghulam said:
Pak does nt need Solar Manufacturing to sustain revolution

China is doing that Job for us making cheap Solar Panels and they make more than what they need.

Solarisation already accounts 20% of Pak Energy Mix within 5-6 Years. A population of 240 Million thats crazy percentage. If Govt gets out of the way to protect IPPs this could be quick 75% Transformation

Indians talking about Its sustainbility without knowing Ground realities of Pakistan
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Without local manufacturing, you will be dependent on imports for eternity. And solar panels are recurring costs too. This has been the whole issue why Pakistan has always been reliant on imports. They could have promoted local industries and provided jobs, but cheaper imports kill that.

Industrial electricity requirement is at 25-30% now, but its the key for any developing country. India is at 42-45% and China is at 65%. Do you think without Solar parks, these industrial requirements will be met??

While I understand you point, centralized solar parks can directly be added to grids without need of solar panels at homes. These will give more reliability and can sustain future requirements.
RizwanT20Champ said:
Inds are experts on everything except what is happening in their own home. Once they get out of their echo chambers they realise the world does not revolve around them.
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Again zero contribution.
India is set to become the 2nd largest in Solar energy. This is primarily driven by local manufacturing. And its one of the key source for employment at lower level.

m.economictimes.com

India set to emerge as world's 2nd largest solar market in 2026: NSEFI

India is set to become the world's second-largest solar market in 2026. The nation is rapidly adding solar capacity, reaching 150 GW. This growth is driven by government initiatives and increasing demand. Distributed solar and commercial installations are key. Energy storage is also expected to...
m.economictimes.com m.economictimes.com
 
Theanonymousone said:
I get your point. Domestic adoption is good. But they are not integrated with grids. Look at any country moving towards Solar energy and you understand the importance of Grid stability. Without policy push it wont be achieved. For those who can afford solar panels, its good. But for those who cant, the costs of electricity with further increase as consumption on Grids will reduce drastically
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They are integrated With Grid. I do not know what are you talking about. The whole reason Pakistanis imported solar on Mass level is because Govt incentivized it through Net Metering Bi Directional Metres connected to Grid where Consumers sell Extra power Generated during day light and get it back at night hours at same cost we sold them . Although last month Govt Abolished this policy because demand for Expensive Elec sold to us dropped down drastically and Govt was nt able to pay IPPs.. These IPP contracts have become national security issue for us in a sense. If Govt did nt have to suck up to IPPs we would even see faster adaption

Theanonymousone said:
Without local manufacturing, you will be dependent on imports for eternity. And solar panels are recurring costs too. This has been the whole issue why Pakistan has always been reliant on imports. They could have promoted local industries and provided jobs, but cheaper imports kill that.
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No we Wont be. Solar panels have shelf life of 20 years so its nt exactly recurring cost in short term. Solar Adoption already gave Pak 12 Billion$ Cushion in Fossil energy imports in last 5 years with another 6 Billion $ Saving expected in current Fiscal Year. We wont go bakrupt importing Solar. It will drastically reduce our Fuel Bill that currently stands at 16-18 Billion $ Annually

Theanonymousone said:
Industrial electricity requirement is at 25-30% now, but its the key for any developing country. India is at 42-45% and China is at 65%. Do you think without Solar parks, these industrial requirements will be met??
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we are not in Competition with China neither its about India. What India is doing they can keep doing it. Thats not what we are discussing

Theanonymousone said:
While I understand you point, centralized solar parks can directly be added to grids without need of solar panels at homes. These will give more reliability and can sustain future requirements.
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Centralized Solar parks require Govt Funded projectsIt is a Bottom-Up Revolution.Instead of one 1,000MW park in the desert, we have hundreds of thousands of "micro" power plants. The government didn't spend a rupee on this capacity. Citizens and factory owners spent their own "pocket change" and savings. Collectively we have added over 17-20 GW to the country’s energy mix, which is more than many European countries have managed with massive state subsidies.
That’s what makes the 2024–2025 period so wild. Even when the PKR was at its worst, the pocket change for a decent system was still hitting 1.5 to 2 million PKR for a basic home setup, and far more for a factory.
The fact that the imports didn't stop shows where the money was really moving and it was all Paid up in cash not even Individual loans
 
There is a lot of mixed reporting and conflicting signals about ceasefire and continuation in Iran right now. Here’s the situation:

1. U.S. officials preparing for potential escalation, including possible ground operations inside Iran (The Washington Post)

2. Iran warns it will treat continued U.S. blockade as a ceasefire breach and move to halt regional trade with force (Iranian official statements)

3. U.S. deploying thousands of additional troops to the Middle East (The Washington Post)

4. Iran threatens to disrupt Red Sea shipping if blockade continues (Iranian military spokesperson)

5. Israel says ending the campaign depends on Iran giving up enriched uranium (Israeli Defense Ministry)

6. Trump: no deal unless Iran gives up nuclear weapons (Fox News)

7. Trump signals ceasefire may not be extended (ABC News)

8. Mediators nearing a deal to extend the U.S.-Iran ceasefire (Associated Press)

9. Iran FM says U.S. must stop Israeli actions in Lebanon for ceasefire to materialize (Iranian Foreign Ministry)

10. Trump says war is “close to over” and Iran wants a deal (Fox News)

:kp
 
Just heard an analyst yesterday saying this has not much to do with Iran's oil or nukes, but following a plan of a country which dreams about becoming Greater. They have already taken 8 KMs of Lebanon and will continue like that till they have achieved their goals?
 
IAJ said:
Just heard an analyst yesterday saying this has not much to do with Iran's oil or nukes, but following a plan of a country which dreams about becoming Greater. They have already taken 8 KMs of Lebanon and will continue like that till they have achieved their goals?
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It has to do with oil and the Strait, but the said country does not want to expand into Iran, they just want to make sure that their is no resistance when they start to physically colonized the land and exert their hegemony.
 
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HalBass9 said:
It has to do with oil and the Strait, but the said country does not want to expand into Iran, they just want to make sure that their is no resistance when they start to physically colonized the land and exert their hegemony.
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Yes, Oil had turned out to be a big problem for USA and rest of the World now. They thought they would just go in, bomb them, ensure new regime is in place and just go back, but things have't gone as planned.
 
IAJ said:
Just heard an analyst yesterday saying this has not much to do with Iran's oil or nukes, but following a plan of a country which dreams about becoming Greater. They have already taken 8 KMs of Lebanon and will continue like that till they have achieved their goals?
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Israel is making a buffer zone which Pakistan dreaming along with Afghanistan border. Israel is almost successful..:kp
 
IAJ said:
Yes, Oil had turned out to be a big problem for USA and rest of the World now. They thought they would just go in, bomb them, ensure new regime is in place and just go back, but things have't gone as planned.
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Israel are in it for the long haul, expected it to be, they do not care about world's economy nor anything else as long as they can complete the greater Israel project.

For them it is not just economy and regional hegemony, they're fighting for religious supremacy.
 
While I don’t endorse war/ violence, Kinda mad respect for both Iran and Israel for not backing down to Trump or China or anyone and going about their business.

Maybe food for thought to both Indians and Pakistanis next time they start the skirmish finish the job. Trump is not a tauji, just go about your business till you get the job done (minus the nuclear holocaust. Don’t want that)
 
Local.Dada said:
While I don’t endorse war/ violence, Kinda mad respect for both Iran and Israel for not backing down to Trump or China or anyone and going about their business.

Maybe food for thought to both Indians and Pakistanis next time they start the skirmish finish the job. Trump is not a tauji, just go about your business till you get the job done (minus the nuclear holocaust. Don’t want that)
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what neuclear holocaust?

Majority Indians have firm belief that Pak does nt posess nukes
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2044431517141635139
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Who is taking the pictures? :yk :inti

images
 
Local.Dada said:
While I don’t endorse war/ violence, Kinda mad respect for both Iran and Israel for not backing down to Trump or China or anyone and going about their business.

Maybe food for thought to both Indians and Pakistanis next time they start the skirmish finish the job. Trump is not a tauji, just go about your business till you get the job done (minus the nuclear holocaust. Don’t want that)
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India’s situation is that of a kid who came out of a poor family, did education on loan, with his mother’s jewellery pledged to bank for it and just got a very good campus placement for a high paying job that can prove to be generational turnaround moment for his family.

He lives in Uttam Nagar in Delhi however. In his neighbourhood, are all sort of weirdos looking to pick a fight for any random thing. People who are hopeless, will never make it out of the good and their families don’t give a damn either, moreover don’t even deserve better things.

A old in this situation would often swallow his pride over little arguements. A physical confrontation is more risky to him, and his family’s future than the people he has to occasionally deal with.

This is India in the South Asian neighbourhood.
 
Devadwal said:
Another Lahori chooran .. same source said after Taliban takeover in Afghanistan in 2021 that Afghanistan is Pakistan Stregitic depth and we secured the Western border of Pakistan. But Stregitic depth has become Stregitic graveyard for Pakistan. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

:klopp :kp
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Just focus on the fireworks in Kabul 😅
 
Devadwal said:
Have you read Toda Big news between India and USA? What the MoU signed between India and USA?

Another new came from saudi arabia - Pakistan. ... ( Offcourse about begging 😂😂)

Asked grok or Google it.

:klopp :kp
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no one is covering India USA where is it? I dnt visit media that believes Lahore has port 😅

Just came from CNN, Al Jazeera and Fox.. Nothing about your Chai wala 😀
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Kutch to sharam kr

yaha tum Iran ki har dhikany aty ho ab bol rhe i want US losses
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Saram tuje Ani chahiye. .Puri Thread pad le. . whenever USA losses happened I enjoyed. 🤣🤣🤣

Atleast dozens time i answer in this thread whome I support whenever posters asked me.

Israel 🇮🇱🇮🇱 over Iran ,

Iran over USA

:klopp :kp
 
Bhaijaan said:
India’s situation is that of a kid who came out of a poor family, did education on loan, with his mother’s jewellery pledged to bank for it and just got a very good campus placement for a high paying job that can prove to be generational turnaround moment for his family.

He lives in Uttam Nagar in Delhi however. In his neighbourhood, are all sort of weirdos looking to pick a fight for any random thing. People who are hopeless, will never make it out of the good and their families don’t give a damn either, moreover don’t even deserve better things.

A old in this situation would often swallow his pride over little arguements. A physical confrontation is more risky to him, and his family’s future than the people he has to occasionally deal with.

This is India in the South Asian neighbourhood.
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nice story

very good example of money can't buy class :ninja:
 
HalBass9 said:
Israel are in it for the long haul, expected it to be, they do not care about world's economy nor anything else as long as they can complete the greater Israel project.

For them it is not just economy and regional hegemony, they're fighting for religious supremacy.
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Well Netanyahu has been pushing US presidents for 4 decades and finally he has found one in Trump. But they can do whatever they want, this will be a tough journey with alot of sacrifices for muslims, but in the end we will win, in sha Allah.
 
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