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Strongest ODI team of this decade - How to stop this English Juggernaut?

Mueez said:
He is definitely younger than Rashid Khan :))

In the three matches he has played against England in England, he has taken 9 wickets and averages 16.44 with the ball.
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Have you watched the games? In the first match they were completely bamboozled and looked hapless against Kuli, next match they came better prepared and started reading him from hand, Kuldeep took 3 wickets but went for 60+ runs as the English showed much improvement in their footwork and shot selection while dealing with him. In the last match they played him with authority and didn't give him any wickets.

My point is they learn and learn fast, the same players who looked clueless in the first match were cutting him late and hitting him inside out for 6 in the very next match. India is not the only team that can execute plans to perfection.
 
I somehow get the feeling that a portion of the people that reply here that are from Pakistan, once the India- Pakistan March is lost, resort to trying to find the one team that can demolish India (aka England right now). There is another group of people who want the team that beats Pakistan to be the eventual winner. Interesting viewing people’s responses (I’m a psychologist by profession) and am always intrigued by how people behave and what makes them behave the way they do.
 
narayanjan said:
I somehow get the feeling that a portion of the people that reply here that are from Pakistan, once the India- Pakistan March is lost, resort to trying to find the one team that can demolish India (aka England right now). There is another group of people who want the team that beats Pakistan to be the eventual winner. Interesting viewing people’s responses (I’m a psychologist by profession) and am always intrigued by how people behave and what makes them behave the way they do.
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Not sure I you reached that conclusion. Most Pakistanis who posted here actually spoke in favor of India beating England while some Indians including me are worried about English batting strength.
 
light said:
pakistan showed everyone how to stop them. bat first, score 350 ish. Let them chase, watch them choke.
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But England have chased down 350 six times.

In the match you refer to, England fielded very badly and gave PAK a lot of runs. Hopefully they got their bad game out of the way before the knockout phase.

We will see how good England are as they have India, Australia and NZ next.
 
Currently England is the toughest team to beat because of their batting lineup.
Best hope against England , have top batman scoring at fast clip. Score needed is around 330 to be competitive. English bowling is comparatively weaker so it can be exploited on a good day.
 
Robert said:
But England have chased down 350 six times.

In the match you refer to, England fielded very badly and gave PAK a lot of runs. Hopefully they got their bad game out of the way before the knockout phase.

We will see how good England are as they have India, Australia and NZ next.
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Srilanka are not a bad side, they gave Australia a scare.
 
Robert said:
But England have chased down 350 six times.

In the match you refer to, England fielded very badly and gave PAK a lot of runs. Hopefully they got their bad game out of the way before the knockout phase.

We will see how good England are as they have India, Australia and NZ next.
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Exactly. It’s the fielding cost England the game. Funny how One lose in chasing and some people call it a “choke”. - as if England have had a history of that, this New England is different.
 
Robert said:
But England have chased down 350 six times.

In the match you refer to, England fielded very badly and gave PAK a lot of runs. Hopefully they got their bad game out of the way before the knockout phase.

We will see how good England are as they have India, Australia and NZ next.
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No doubt England is capable of chasing it down, espy if the bowling attack is weak. However, best chance for any country to stop these English batsmen is to make them chase and let pressure do its thing. Batting first, you are less likely going to win against this modern savage team
 
England's bowling is bog standard. Batting is immense but if they concede 300 (they always do) they can fail in a chase.
 
If India want to win against England, batting bowling and fielding should be 100%.
If anyone goes toes, then it will be very difficult to win
 
Hyperion66 said:
I am not talking about stats, records or consistency, just the sheer fear factor associated with this English team.
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Lol what fear factor?

They were smashed in the CT semis by Pakistan.

India drew with them on last tour.

Zero trophies

It’s a strong team without a doubt but until they win a trophy they are nowhere close to even India
 
If they lose this, I predict they won't even make it to semi finals.

Their next three matches are against India, Australia and NZ and they will have to win 2 out of those to qualify which looks improbable to me.
 
The way england play going gungo from ball one theres always a collapse around the corner

Its fine for bilaterals but U simply cant play knockout cricket like that and expect to win tournaments

A more methodical approach is needed which england are bereft of
 
This England team is not even close to 2000s Australian team. That Aussie team will absolutely dismantle the current English team. [MENTION=148927]Hyperion66[/MENTION]
 
Zaz said:
The way england play going gungo from ball one theres always a collapse around the corner

Its fine for bilaterals but U simply cant play knockout cricket like that and expect to win tournaments

A more methodical approach is needed which england are bereft of
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Effective utilization of resources is the future of LOI.

Push hard at first (unless pitch demands otherwise).

Readjust if things go wrong.

End hard.

The main issue is that their players struggle when there is life on the pitch or when bowling is really good.

England's mindset is right but don't think they have a Plan B if Plan A fails.

Their plan is to keep pushing hard and hope that the target is reached before their batting is vanquished.
 
fanofcricket4life said:
This England team is not even close to 2000s Australian team. That Aussie team will absolutely dismantle the current English team. [MENTION=148927]Hyperion66[/MENTION]
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Close? That aus team could win in any surface.

This English team is FTB. that it. Its criminal to bring this English team in the same sentence as that of great Aussie team.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Effective utilization of resources is the future of LOI.

Push hard at first (unless pitch demands otherwise).

Readjust if things go wrong.

End hard.

The main issue is that their players struggle when there is life on the pitch or when bowling is really good.

England's mindset is right but don't think they have a Plan B if Plan A fails.

Their plan is to keep pushing hard and hope that the target is reached before their batting is vanquished.
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Talking about matches in Pattas which is how ODIs are played nowadays.

If we go back to proper sporting tracks (which we probably never will), then the optimal approach would be different.
 
Abdullah said:
Let's not make them out to be some great team. If we, yes WE had amir and shadab in the bilateral series, we would have run them close.
There bowling is not all that, and will concede runs
You don't want to be chasing 350 plus scores in a pressure game, as has been proven already this tournie
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Or even 230 scores :)
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Effective utilization of resources is the future of LOI.

Push hard at first (unless pitch demands otherwise).

Readjust if things go wrong.

End hard.

The main issue is that their players struggle when there is life on the pitch or when bowling is really good.

England's mindset is right but don't think they have a Plan B if Plan A fails.

Their plan is to keep pushing hard and hope that the target is reached before their batting is vanquished.
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Yeah but today they didn't go hard.

In the first 10 overs they went at 3.8 RPO. From overs 11-25 they went at 3.5 RPO.

So they tried to play differently. But they kept losing wickets so they lost.
 
ak619 said:
Yeah but today they didn't go hard.

In the first 10 overs they went at 3.8 RPO. From overs 11-25 they went at 3.5 RPO.

So they tried to play differently. But they kept losing wickets so they lost.
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True.

They didn't cos they couldn't. They are not that good on such pitches.

Another day, we might see them attack and lose wickets.

It's about the balance.

They are amazing aggressors but unidimensional.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
They are amazing aggressors but unidimensional.
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Yes. Frankly I think they have themselves to blame.

In order to "modernize" their batsmen overnight after the 2015 debacle, all they did was make batting easier in England by flattening out most pitches.

So this outcome was always on the cards. We saw the same exact thing in the 2017 CT semi-final.
 
England really struggle on these slow, unconductive wickets. To become the best, they must be able to play on all types of wickets.
 
Strongest of this decade? :)) England were a joke before 2015 and haven’t won anything big since their revamp
 
Damn this SL came totally out of syllabus.:smith

I am sure all the geniuses here making fun of my thread predicted SL win before even the the match started :ishant
 
aliasad1998 said:
Strongest of this decade? :)) England were a joke before 2015 and haven’t won anything big since their revamp
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I mean strongest XI of this decade and I stand by it. Big teams can lose unexpectedly against smaller teams, part and parcel of the game. India too lost to SL and Pak in the last CT despite being far superior than both.
 
Hyperion66 said:
I mean strongest XI of this decade and I stand by it. Big teams can lose unexpectedly against smaller teams, part and parcel of the game. India too lost to SL and Pak in the last CT despite being far superior than both.
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Yeah but England have been doing throughout this decade. Lost to Ireland in the 2011 WC. Lost to BD in the 2015 WC. And now losing to Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

It's a pattern. And a team mindset thing. Similar to the South African "chokers mentality". Players may come and go, XIs may change but trust England to slip up against minnows and fail to reach the final.
 
What if India and Australia both beat England? Will England qualify with other wins?
 
Ab Fan said:
What if India and Australia both beat England? Will England qualify with other wins?
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Depends. England can go through with even 10 points. They need to beat NZ and hope that all of PAK, WI,BD lose atleast one match going forward. If England lose all their matches and remain on 8 points though , then both PAK and India have to beat BD, NZ and SA have to beat PAK, OZ have to beat SA and both NZ and India have to beat WI and everyone has to beat SL. If these are met, I think England can qualify even with 8 points.
 
Hyperion66 said:
Nah bruv, I have a life, I don't watch cricket matches on a Friday night that too involving SL of all teams.
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You actually write well! I would love to read if you can write something about the real disciplined team in this WC like NZ or India but you ended up wasting your time writing about this overrated chokers.
 
RainStopsPlay said:
You actually write well! I would love to read if you can write something about the real disciplined team in this WC like NZ or India but you ended up wasting your time writing about this overrated chokers.
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You do realize that I am an Indian fan and would be more than pleased if India beats Eng? Chokers or not they have an otherworldly batting line up and arguably most destructive ever on flat pitches. This lose against SL was an anomaly, they would thrash this same team 9 out of 10 times. However they lack the clinical ruthlessness of the Indian team and do not seem to have developed the mental aspect game. India should start as favs against them. Perhaps I did rate the poms more than what they deserve. Error in judgement I suppose.
 
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England are still a good team. There is no doubting that. But they have weakness. If you can get early wickets , you can attack the middle order with spin . Get some tight overs and they will make mistakes like they did in their 2 losses. They can be beaten.

They struggled against De Silva , imagine what Kuldeep and Chahal will do to them.
 
Most overhyped team, way too overconfident. While other top teams are cruising smoothly, the England team is going downhill.

There are highly chances they will lose the rest of the 3 league matches against the top 3 teams.
 
England are very good but mentally they are fragile. In a knockout vs Aus or India they have little hope.
 
India and Aus would never lose to Pakistan and SL.

If they get a decent pitch they'll lose to both.
 
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Hyperion66 said:
Ha ha haslo saalo, jaise tumhare kabhi koi thread fail nai hui :cobra:cobra
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Why are you taking it personally bhai?

Your thread still hasn't failed and England might bounce back and destroy teams.

England is a scary lineup for sure but they are one trick ponies.
 
Playing only on bone dry tracks’ letting non England matches happen on dodgy surfaces, playing on grounds that has less threat, poaching foreign players lol if.all these things can’t help the what else will help them.
 
In which delusional world does ENG have the firepower to chase down 350?

It's the 2nd collapse in a week's time against Lanka and Aus for sub par 220s. Does this England team really have the world's best batting firepower to chase down 350s consistently? If they can bat deep and their tail at 10th position can hit 50s and 100s too, why did they fail? Discuss!
 
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ak619 said:
If you're going to put Kumble up there, next to Warne and Murali, it really should be Mushtaq there instead of Ajmal. :ashwin
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That's because it's Ajmal's famous words "I done"
 
In my opinion, England are out of the semi-final race. There is no way they are beating both India and New Zealand in consecutive matches.
 
The_Odd_One said:
In my opinion, England are out of the semi-final race. There is no way they are beating both India and New Zealand in consecutive matches.
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England can still qualify with just 1 more win, if Bang, Pak and SL lose 1 match each. Which is more than likely.
 
Not the strongest team of this decade 2015 SA team was better they got unlucky in the WC.

They couldn't even beat Australia's weakest team in a world cup.
 
It seems like batting first is the way to go for England (and everyone else) in this World Cup. Their bowling has also been good.
 
Some very stupid posts in this thread. All this talk of England not being able to handle pressure etc. is nonsense. They are a phenomenal side and they are firm favorites to go all the way.
 
They stutter at the first sign of pressure. They were ahead of the game from ball one which is the only way they know how to win. They can never claw back in the game, as we saw against Australia. If NZ put 250 on the board, they are in for a serious shock. And their fans will want to delete some posts from this thread :))
 
[MENTION=148927]Hyperion66[/MENTION] bhai has disappeared after our WC loss.

He shouldn't have given up on his thread so quickly.

It's BACK ON.

Whattay performance by England.

They still have to close it but they have to choke hopelessly to lose this from here.
 
farazaidi said:
They stutter at the first sign of pressure. They were ahead of the game from ball one which is the only way they know how to win. They can never claw back in the game, as we saw against Australia. If NZ put 250 on the board, they are in for a serious shock. And their fans will want to delete some posts from this thread :))
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Oh dear. Talk about irony.
 
Some awful posts about England in every thread by the usual suspects. England’s World Cup success is a process that was started 4 years ago.

They have showed tremendous resilience and mental strength in the last 3 matches. They were always the favorites even when they had a stutter. A top class team.
 
Hard work absolutely!!!! recruiting players and have them fast track to get the nationality is a tough ask.. kudos to Eng lol.. :smith
 
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