Strongest ODI team of this decade - How to stop this English Juggernaut?

[Hyperion66]

There are good teams, very good teams and exceptional ones, but very few teams in the history of cricket have managed to put the fear of God into opposition like this English side. I was not born during the all conquering days of the West Indies but I have seen the Aus team of 2000s, even that team would probably fall short of the intensity and firepower required to match the destructive ability of this current English team.

I am genuinely concerned about our match against England as they can not only bash teams to oblivion but can inflict mental scars and destroy morale as well. Considering we have a real chance of facing them in the KO or final makes the result of the first match is even more important. Problem is along with an otherworldy batting they now boast of the fastest and one of the most potent attacks of this world cup and to make matters worse that defeat against Pak seemed to have triggered them into beast mode, out for blood, destroying, pulverizing everything in their path.

So how do we do it? How do we tame the beast or at least minimize damage?

 

[Babbar]

Be wounded tigers and mercurial.

 

[WengerOut]

Oh cumon. England doesn't hold a candle to that gun Australian team.

 

[Tapeballcricket]

Win toss bat first. You have the fire power to put a 350 total.

You have better bowling than Pak to limit them as well.

 

[Hyperion66]

I know we have a damn good team but this English team can make a minnow out of any team on their day.

 

[docteurmanish]

Hayden and pointing would have murdered this team

This English team will be stopped by india. The bowling is good enough . What india missed in the 5 day series was a good no 4 and no 7 . With rahul hitting form and Pandya in form , it’s an even contest . India holds the edge -slightly .

 

[Hyperion66]

Oh cumon. England doesn't hold a candle to that gun Australian team.

I am not talking about stats, records or consistency, just the sheer fear factor associated with this English team.

 

[Sachin136]

I know we have a damn good team but this English team can make a minnow out of any team on their day.

We just have to get them on their bad day. They lost a match against Scotland and Pakistan, and lost 2 matches against the West Indies. They're not perfect.

 

[Hyperion66]

We just have to get them on their bad day. They lost a match against Scotland and Pakistan, and lost 2 matches against the West Indies. They're not perfect.

True, they are not consistent like Aus of 2000, but the amount of damage and humiliation they can inflict on their day scaring the living daylight out of me

What they did to the Afghans, they can do it to any team, bowling attack doesn't matter when they are on song.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

True, they are not consistent like Aus of 2000, but the amount of damage and humiliation they can inflict on their day scaring the living daylight out of me

What they did to the Afghans, they can do it to any team, bowling attack doesn't matter when they are on song.

Bumrah, Bhuvi, Hardik, Shankar, Chahal & Kuldeep will keep England under 300. India are favourites against England

 

[dildilpak]

Yes, great batting lineup but an average bowling lineup. The only way to put pressure on them is to get them to chase a big total like Pakistan did.

 

[Hyperion66]

Yes, great batting lineup but an average bowling lineup. The only way to put pressure on them is to get them to chase a big total like Pakistan did.

Sirji a bowling attack consisting of Archer, Wood, Wokes and Rashid is not average.

 

[Hyperion66]

Bumrah, Bhuvi, Hardik, Shankar, Chahal & Kuldeep will keep England under 300. India are favourites against England

You wouldn't be this confident if you were Indian

 

[Oxfordchamp]

India will beat England..mark this..

 

[BDfanforever]

Bumrah, Bhuvi, Hardik, Shankar, Chahal & Kuldeep will keep England under 300. India are favourites against England

Man Mehidy Hasan was in tears after Jason Roy was hitting him for sixes.

 

[dildilpak]

Sirji a bowling attack consisting of Archer, Wood, Wokes and Rashid is not average.

Archer is good, others are strictly average.

 

[Technics 1210]

First of all, by the time England and India plays the odds are both teams will have qualified for the KO stage, so no need to worry, and secondly, England a juggernaut in the last decade? I think this is stretching it a bit. England bowlers cannot clean up AFG at the moment, and if anything, England's bowling is weaker than their batting for sure!

 

[Hyperion66]

Man Mehidy Hasan was in tears after Jason Roy was hitting him for sixes.

We have much better spinners though, but get your point, won't matter if their bats click.

 

[Babbar]

India hopefully has better, both technically and psychologically, bowlers then Mehdi Hassan, though I can imagine Kuldeep in tears if he gets smacked.

 

[WengerOut]

I am not talking about stats, records or consistency, just the sheer fear factor associated with this English team.

That Aus team can set any target and defend any target. This England team can't.

 

[Hyperion66]

That Aus team can set any target and defend any target. This England team can't.

This England team can score 500, beat that

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Man Mehidy Hasan was in tears after Jason Roy was hitting him for sixes.

Mehidy won’t even be picked as a net bowler for Team India, we need a spinner who spins the ball. Six sixes would have been nice that day.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You don’t !

This team has everything. Powerful openers , solid middle order , quality pace & spin all rounders & very fast bowlers .

They are the best team by far & could dominate odi for a decade but can they handle the pressure of the finals ? Likely this time , yes .

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

You wouldn't be this confident if you were Indian

Be positive bro England will be without Jason Roy Vince doesn’t look that threatening

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

This England team can score 500, beat that

Your team can chase 500

 

[Babbar]

England may be favourite and will probably win but assuming that England intimidates India is a little over the top. It’s difficult to intimidate Kohli, Sharma, Dhavan, Bumrah.

 

[Hyperion66]

India will beat England..mark this..

I hope and pray for the same.

 

[Hyperion66]

Your team can chase 500

Kyu mazak karte ho bhai? Even Rohit and Kohli has their limits.

 

[Babbar]

England could not make 400 against a pathetic Afg attack. That it can cross 300 against India 50-50.

 

[Hyperion66]

England may be favourite and will probably win but assuming that England intimidates India is a little over the top. It’s difficult to intimidate Kohli, Sharma, Dhavan, Bumrah.

Neither said nor implied that. I am intimidated by their batting is what I meant.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

They are not the standout team of this decade. They're yet to win a ICC trophy.
This england side is feared for their batting no doubt.But the Australian side of 2000 was just too perfect. Remember that Australian side didnt lose a single WC match in 03 & 07 worldcup where England have already lost to Pakistan.Also WC 07 batting lineup is the best i've seen for all conditions. A side by side look

1. Hayden. 1. Roy
2. Gilchrist. 2. Bairstow

England opening more explosive as Hayden used to take a bit of time.Australian one was bit more reliable for all conditions I would say. used to murder any sort of spin.

3. Ponting. 3. Root

I would pick Ricky

4. Clark 4. Morgan

Morgan

5. Symonds. 5. Stokes

Symonds more explosive. Stokes is bit slow

6. Hussy. 6. Buttler

Buttler. Wont mind hussy either. had nerve of steel.

7. Watson. 7. Ali

Watson. Crazy batting lineup when watson bat @ 7. also would say better bowler than stokes

8. Hogg. 8. Rashid

Dont remember much about hogg's batting ability. as to who was better bowler, I would leave it to you guys.

9. Bracken 9. Wokes

Wokes better batsman.

10. Tait. 10. Archer

battle of speedstar

11. Mcgrath. 11. dosent matter Mcgrath wins

England have a better tail. top order I would always pick Australian top 3 as a whole.Individually wont pick Gilly as he wasnt much consistent. 4 I would pick Morgan. 5 Im going with Symonds( both are amazing fielders. going with symonds for batting). 6 as much as I admire Hussy, would pick Buttler. 7. watson. He gets a lot of hate but Australia would've been ecstatic if they had young watson to bowl and bat @ 7.

Bowling I would always pick Australia

 

[Dingolfy]

You don’t !

This team has everything. Powerful openers , solid middle order , quality pace & spin all rounders & very fast bowlers .

They are the best team by far & could dominate odi for a decade but can they handle the pressure of the finals ? Likely this time , yes .

Their bowling is pedestrian though. Look at how many times 300 plus runs were scored against them by Pakistan, a team who are not exactly that great at batting.
Even scotland, a minnow , was able score 370 runs against them.

 

[Hyperion66]

They are not the standout team of this decade. They're yet to win a ICC trophy.
This england side is feared for their batting no doubt.But the Australian side of 2000 was just too perfect. Remember that Australian side didnt lose a single WC match in 03 & 07 worldcup where England have already lost to Pakistan.Also WC 07 batting lineup is the best i've seen for all conditions. A side by side look

1. Hayden. 1. Roy
2. Gilchrist. 2. Bairstow

England opening more explosive as Hayden used to take a bit of time.Australian one was bit more reliable for all conditions I would say. used to murder any sort of spin.

3. Ponting. 3. Root

I would pick Ricky

4. Clark 4. Morgan

Morgan

5. Symonds. 5. Stokes

Symonds more explosive. Stokes is bit slow

6. Hussy. 6. Buttler

Buttler. Wont mind hussy either. had nerve of steel.

7. Watson. 7. Ali

Watson. Crazy batting lineup when watson bat @ 7. also would say better bowler than stokes

8. Hogg. 8. Rashid

Dont remember much about hogg's batting ability. as to who was better bowler, I would leave it to you guys.

9. Bracken 9. Wokes

Wokes better batsman.

10. Tait. 10. Archer

battle of speedstar

11. Mcgrath. 11. dosent matter Mcgrath wins

England have a better tail. top order I would always pick Australian top 3 as a whole.Individually wont pick Gilly as he wasnt much consistent. 4 I would pick Morgan. 5 Im going with Symonds( both are amazing fielders. going with symonds for batting). 6 as much as I admire Hussy, would pick Buttler. 7. watson. He gets a lot of hate but Australia would've been ecstatic if they had young watson to bowl and bat @ 7.

Bowling I would always pick Australia

Nice breakdown.

Batting-wise I think England is quite ahead in terms of destructive ability but when it comes to reliability I would go with Aus.

Bowling is not even up for a debate, Aus wins hands down.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Monster of a team on phattas... will be very difficult to stop them unless they are chasing > 340.

 

[jnaveen1980]

ON a flat road (which is most likely to be the case being the home team) it is hard to match them. Let us give our best and hope for the best. "They need 50 overs to score 500 we need 10 good balls" (Thank you Azhar Mhamood

 

[Nikhil_cric]

No comparison to THAT Australian team. Australia won 35 world cup matches on the trot. England just lost to Pakistan recently.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Only prob is their over confidence on their batting might backfire and that should not be a knock out game.

 

[Dr_Green]

Awesome team mist explosive batting line up ever...their bowling is improving....they deserve to win this world cup

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Awesome team mist explosive batting line up ever...their bowling is improving....they deserve to win this world cup

Do you think they have a balanced team who can win on any pitch/ condition and covered all bases (off spin, leg spin, pace, strikers, consolidators, etc) ?

 

[sugumarrising]

Since the 2015 world cup only england become a strong team in odi's then from where the strongest team in the decade came from? england has 2 obstacles india & australia they have to cross it, it is not that easy, may be new Zealand will also give them a tough fight, england has problems facing spin bowling, anyone of england, india & australia will win the cup ones the knock out comes for all the 4 teams only 2 factors will be important handling pressure & luck, who ever has it will win the world cup.

 

[Hyperion66]

No comparison to THAT Australian team. Australia won 35 world cup matches on the trot. England just lost to Pakistan recently.

Not saying they are better than that Aus team but surely can be more destructive on their day than any team in the history of the game.

 

[Hitman]

The all dominating Aussie team was much better. They had a far, far better bowling attack.

 

[Gilly]

Australian ODI trophy cabinet.


England ODI trophy cabinet

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Last but not least to triumph in tourneys like WC's mental fortitude plays a big part. 2 games vs Aus and Ind in league phase will tell us if they will bulldoze everyone or will there be a challenge from others.

 

[anikrc1]

There are good teams, very good teams and exceptional ones, but very few teams in the history of cricket have managed to put the fear of God into opposition like this English side. I was not born during the all conquering days of the West Indies but I have seen the Aus team of 2000s, even that team would probably fall short of the intensity and firepower required to match the destructive ability of this current English team.

I am genuinely concerned about our match against England as they can not only bash teams to oblivion but can inflict mental scars and destroy morale as well. Considering we have a real chance of facing them in the KO or final makes the result of the first match is even more important. Problem is along with an otherworldy batting they now boast of the fastest and one of the most potent attacks of this world cup and to make matters worse that defeat against Pak seemed to have triggered them into beast mode, out for blood, destroying, pulverizing everything in their path.

So how do we do it? How do we tame the beast or at least minimize damage?

Forget the Aussies, our 2011 batting line up was better

 

[Dingolfy]

Not saying they are better than that Aus team but surely can be more destructive on their day than any team in the history of the game.

On today’s pitches with two new balls, 2000’s Australian team would have been a way scarier team. Remember how Hussey smoked Ajmal for 22 runs in his last over when he was at his absolute best in 2010 T20. He and Symonds would absolutely kill any ODI bowler in this era of two new balls.

 

[Hyperion66]

People missing the point here, let's drop the comparison with Aus and talk about how to restrict this English side on these pancakes. If it goes nasty in the group stage there is a chance that we might carry that trauma to the KO just like we did in 2003 against Aus.

 

[anikrc1]

People missing the point here, let's drop the comparison with Aus and talk about how to restrict this English side on these pancakes. If it goes nasty in the group stage there is a chance that we might carry that trauma to the KO just like we did in 2003 against Aus.

We can be as destructive as them, as shown in matches against Australia and pakistan.seriously if we reach the finals and the other semi is between Aussies and English, I'll be hoping for an English victory

 

[narayanjan]

If one were to check with the English team they would be equally scared of the Indian team [with Rohit, Kohli and Bumrah in particular]. This is what happens when good teams meet.

 

[ak619]

I think India will win against England in the league match.

Even with the inclusion of Archer, England's bowling is a few notches below India's.

Even 320 would be a winning score against England by India. So if India bats first against England, my money is on India. Batting second it might be 50-50.


Only team I feel who can pull a fast one on India is West Indies and that too if they get a seaming pitch. Because the only real way to beat India is to get their top 3 out before 25 overs. Otherwise they will always score 300+ and the Indian bowlers will defend that kind of score 9 out of 10 times.

 

[big_gamer007]

In a batting shoot out no team can beat this England team. But if the pitch has something for bowlers then our bowlers especially spinners can cause some damage and restrict them to a total our batsman can chase.

Kuldeep and Chahal will be very important against England. Both of them have to choke them and take wickets in middle order, if they get spanked then game over

 

[GenericBrand]

You out-bat them, or hope the pitch isn't completely flat because then their line-up fall apart against an iota of quality bowling

 

[Abdullah]

Let's not make them out to be some great team. If we, yes WE had amir and shadab in the bilateral series, we would have run them close.
There bowling is not all that, and will concede runs
You don't want to be chasing 350 plus scores in a pressure game, as has been proven already this tournie

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I don't think it's possible to restrict them. They are frighteningly good. The best hope any team has is to bat and put up 350 and then maybe bring Inna wrist spinner upfront for Roy and bairstow .

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Bar first and score 350 + as any match vs England you will get the flattest of pitch and unleash your spinners. Go in with Jadeja, Kuldeep and Chahal and it’s game over

 

[captain.hansolo]

Be wounded tigers and mercurial.

can we just drop this charade of wounded tigers?

the pakistani team beat england thanks to their batsmen finding their groves, and it was not hurt by the english bowlers spraying it all over the pitch. if you look at the distribution of the lengths bowled, the english bowlers were all over the place.

against india, pakistan faced a more disciplined bowling attack that was very consistent in the lengths bowled and thus, the rewards.

 

[captain.hansolo]

You have to bowl a consistent length and if they are hitting in the midwicket region where all their batsmen love to do, hope that they are hitting into a breeze. of course that works in only one over, in the other over they would be hitting with the breeze - then you adjust to a fuller length outside off with a packed off field.

 

[captain.hansolo]

In a batting shoot out no team can beat this England team. But if the pitch has something for bowlers then our bowlers especially spinners can cause some damage and restrict them to a total our batsman can chase.

Kuldeep and Chahal will be very important against England. Both of them have to choke them and take wickets in middle order, if they get spanked then game over

In a batting shoot out, no batsmen can beat Rohit Sharma. Unfortunately you to need dismiss him only once, whereas England will have 8 attempts to match his efforts.

 

[big_gamer007]

In a batting shoot out, no batsmen can beat Rohit Sharma. Unfortunately you to need dismiss him only once, whereas England will have 8 attempts to match his efforts.

Rohit Sharma is 1 batsman, he is not better than 8 other English batsman combined.

 

[Itachi]

This English team is more overhyped by our Indian ppers than Pakistan hyped umar akmal.

One ounce of pressure and all these destructive batsman will fall into pieces.

 

[Hyperion66]

Bar first and score 350 + as any match vs England you will get the flattest of pitch and unleash your spinners. Go in with Jadeja, Kuldeep and Chahal and it’s game over

They will eat Jadeja for lunch and crap him out before dinner.

 

[Itachi]

They will eat Jadeja for lunch and crap him out before dinner.

India has fared well against great Aussies. And this English team isn't even remotely in the league of that.

 

[Hyperion66]

Bar first and score 350 + as any match vs England you will get the flattest of pitch and unleash your spinners. Go in with Jadeja, Kuldeep and Chahal and it’s game over

Not sure if Kulcha can fight back if they get a Rashid Khan like treatment

 

[Hyperion66]

India has fared well against great Aussies. And this English team isn't even remotely in the league of that.

Let's hope for the best man, I guess Morgan's innings today and the way he mauled Rashid unsettled me a bit, hopefully Kulcha will come well prepared.

 

[Mueez]

England will lose against NZ, Australia and India.

They are mentally weak imo.

They have a loads of batting but batting alone doesn’t win you matches against higher ranked teams.

 

[Hyperion66]

This English team is more overhyped by our Indian ppers than Pakistan hyped umar akmal.

One ounce of pressure and all these destructive batsman will fall into pieces.

One of the reasons why we win consistently is because we dominate the middle overs with spin, if our spinners are taken to the cleaners then I am not sure if Kohli has a plan B for that. Hope Kulcha will come well prepared.

 

[Hasan123]

Early wickets with the new ball, then attack them with spin in the middle overs. I think this is how you beat them. If they don't loose wickets , they will do what they did today more often than not. As that middle order has the freedom to go from ball 1.

 

[Itachi]

Let's hope for the best man, I guess Morgan's innings today and the way he mauled Rashid unsettled me a bit, hopefully Kulcha will come well prepared.

Everyone has a weakness. No one is invincible. And I think this is where dhoni does come in. As much as I hate to see him in playing 11 as a player, the mental aspect that he brings is what no one can bring.

I just wish he didn't play as a player but only devise the strategies.

 

[Mueez]

One of the reasons why we win consistently is because we dominate the middle overs with spin, if our spinners are taken to the cleaners then I am not sure if Kohli has a plan B for that. Hope Kulcha will come well prepared.

They will and this is coming from a Pakistani fan.

Kuldeep is a class apart.

Expect him to dismantle the middle order of England.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Not sure if Kulcha can fight back if they get a Rashid Khan like treatment

Come on man you guys beat England 2-1 in their own backyard and it has not even been a year, Kuldeep picked up a 6fer. Only team to neutralize England

 

[Hyperion66]

Come on man you guys beat England 2-1 in their own backyard and it has not even been a year, Kuldeep picked up a 6fer. Only team to neutralize England

What? When? Are you talking about t20s?

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

What? When? Are you talking about t20s?

Oh my bad man, but they will face Bumrah this time and Highest they will get is around 310, India's attack is world class. Kuldeep will really trouble them, that ball to Babar is ball of the tournament for me so far.

 

[Hyperion66]

They will and this is coming from a Pakistani fan.

Kuldeep is a class apart.

Expect him to dismantle the middle order of England.

Sirji Kuldeep is young, younger than Rashid Khan perhaps. It is possible to unsettle him with some lusty blows, they have players who can read him from hand and applied it successfully in England last year albeit after getting owned by him in back to back matches. Chahal is mentally stronger but even his length becomes a bit predictable when cornered.

 

[Hyperion66]

Oh my bad man, but they will face Bumrah this time and Highest they will get is around 310, India's attack is world class. Kuldeep will really trouble them, that ball to Babar is ball of the tournament for me so far.

Root, Bairstow, Morgan, Butler, Ali are all better players of spin than Fakhar and Babar, not sure if they will allow him to settle to produce absolute jaffa like the one that got Babar. He has to strike fast and within his first few overs. Exciting contest this is gonna be, battle of the titans, beauty (Kuli) vs beasts (Angrez)

 

[topspin]

If it does turn out to be an England v India final, it won't be home advantage for England due to the following 2 reasons:

1) Expect the Lord's wicket to be on the slow side. This will suit Indian spinners and their batsmen
2) Indian fans will outnumber the English on the day. It will be a hostile atmosphere for the England team, as it was in the 2013 CT final.

So for me India will be favourites to win this game, if that's how it pans out.

 

[austerlitz]

These are flat track bullies.Problem is tourney being played on pancakes.I feel we need shami and bumrah to start against england for 2 quick wkts.Kuldeep and chahal can then exert pressure,if pitch turns even a little ..english batting is suspect against wrist spinners.Overall england is a scary team but they would also be wary of us.

 

[ak619]

Everyone has a weakness. No one is invincible. And I think this is where dhoni does come in. As much as I hate to see him in playing 11 as a player, the mental aspect that he brings is what no one can bring.

I just wish he didn't play as a player but only devise the strategies.

Cricket is not like football. You can't run the game from the sidelines. You have to be on the field.

Dhoni's still the best thinker of the game and the best keeper on display in this WC.

If he can even have a decent tournament with the bat - play a few more innings like he did against AUS, then he would be a huge asset for India in this WC.

 

[Mueez]

Sirji Kuldeep is young, younger than Rashid Khan perhaps. It is possible to unsettle him with some lusty blows, they have players who can read him from hand and applied it successfully in England last year albeit after getting owned by him in back to back matches. Chahal is mentally stronger but even his length becomes a bit predictable when cornered.

He is definitely younger than Rashid Khan

In the three matches he has played against England in England, he has taken 9 wickets and averages 16.44 with the ball.

 

[Sam99]

Lol leave old aus team even 2015 aus team would have easily won against this eng side. One of the best batting line up followed by one of the worst bowling line up for favorites in worldcups.

 

[light]

pakistan showed everyone how to stop them. bat first, score 350 ish. Let them chase, watch them choke.