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Suggest ways/plans to get Virat Kohli out

Regardless of conditions/ pitch, always bowl first. Giving Kohli a chase is cricketing suicide.
 
OS_89 said:
Kohli in the first innings is still perfectly good. He averages 36 @ SR of 133 in the first innings, which are pretty impressive stats in t20.

It's just not as good as his 2nd innings record, where he basically turns into a Super Saiyan. Average of 92 @ SR of 132 Insane

And he averages 122.8 in successful chases.
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Its not about stats.

Kohli in 1st innings is fine.

But at times you feel he is a bit confused on how to approach the game.

In 2nd innings, he is insane.
 
It has to be in line with his shot productivity - he is a busy player with calculative mind; I don't think cat & mouse game is going to work with him. When he comes to bat, put a Test match field risking 10+/over & try to get him out. With all respect, he is getting away every time the way he likes - if he fails one or twice, he 'll get confused. I don't think playing into his game any team can get better of him in India (or batting belters).
 
MMHS said:
It has to be in line with his shot productivity - he is a busy player with calculative mind; I don't think cat & mouse game is going to work with him. When he comes to bat, put a Test match field risking 10+/over & try to get him out. With all respect, he is getting away every time the way he likes - if he fails one or twice, he 'll get confused. I don't think playing into his game any team can get better of him in India (or batting belters).
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You are right.

Kill off his singles and Kohli will be pushed to his limits.

Then we will know the depths of his game. Maybe he has way more in him. Maybe not. But it would be a GREAT test.

Didn't NZ do that in an ODI series with Kohli once?
 
Kohli does not have big six hitting capability like Rohit or MSD. He is more of an accumulator who takes calculative risk with proper cricket shot while chasing. He is very sure what the target is and what is the requirement. But while setting a score, he needs to go for big hits as there is no goal for him to achieve. Hence he sometimes play few wild slogs and gets out like he did against BD game.

Rohit is still our main batsman while setting a target.
 
Indian_Supporter said:
Kohli does not have big six hitting capability like Rohit or MSD. He is more of an accumulator who takes calculative risk with proper cricket shot while chasing. He is very sure what the target is and what is the requirement. But while setting a score, he needs to go for big hits as there is no goal for him to achieve. Hence he sometimes play few wild slogs and gets out like he did against BD game.

Rohit is still our main batsman while setting a target.
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He does look confused at times when setting target.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
You are right.

Kill off his singles and Kohli will be pushed to his limits.

Then we will know the depths of his game. Maybe he has way more in him. Maybe not. But it would be a GREAT test.

Didn't NZ do that in an ODI series with Kohli once?
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Yes, my idea came from that series (in fact I wrote it somewhere). Mac kept 6 men in throughout the innings on smallish ground & absolute belters. Teams try to defend total bowling second, while they try to get batsman out bowling 1st - my idea comes from that.
 
MMHS said:
Yes, my idea came from that series (in fact I wrote it somewhere). Mac kept 6 men in throughout the innings on smallish ground & absolute belters. Teams try to defend total bowling second, while they try to get batsman out bowling 1st - my idea comes from that.
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Yes I remember reading it but forgot the contents. :))
 
Ab Fan said:
Is that 434 his total score with just out once..?
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sensible-indian-fan said:
WHAT THE FRIGGING HELL

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wot nonsense it this......

Looks like he almost never got out in WT20 while chasing.
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Yes just got this stats from internet. Unreal stuff :))

Also I think he very rarely got out in successful chases in WT20.

On top of my memory -

Unbeaten chase against Pak in 2012

Unbeaten chase against BD, Pak and SA in 2014

Unbeaten chase in this WC so far against Pak and Aust

Scary stuff :srt

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Indian_Supporter said:
Yes just got this stats from internet. Unreal stuff :))

Also I think he very rarely got out in successful chases in WT20.

On top of my memory -

Unbeaten chase against Pak in 2012

Unbeaten chase against BD, Pak and SA in 2014

Unbeaten chase in this WC so far against Pak and Aust

Scary stuff :srt

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Damn NZ and our brother Sodhi.

If not for him, Kohli would be averaging infinity while chasing I guess.

lol.
 
Also, Virat, Sanga, Mahela, Rahne, Raina, Rohit, Mushfiq, Saquib - all of them were groomed in their younger days by Dav in some capacity, who is a master of building innings through singles - even that SRL side of early 90s are built on the singles after initial burst (that's why he put 2 hitters up for SRL, but kept better batsman in middle). What I have seen, Dav, Siddons, Kristen & Fletcher are 4 of the best batting coaches I have seen - all of them were gutsy, limited but busy players & I see a specific trait in their best pupils.

Hitting ability is the quality of the batsman, but innings building is mental.
 
Heck even before this game started, Naseer while commentating said he is the best chaser of all time and he is simply elevating his stature on that aspect..Surely the opposition will have the fear factor in them if India chases with Kohli in team.
 
All I can say is don't bowl close to his body.
Bowl a wide line outside off and place a 4th slip/gully type fielder. He will try to run the ball down there and you could catch him out.
Apart from that just pray and hope he has a brain fade :)
 
He can only be dismissed in this purple patch by his own mistake somehow or


Left arm baller bringing ball back into him at 145 kph.

140 kph outswinger at good length pitched on 5th stump swinging late.


153 kph bouncer or yorker.
 
Virus was right when he said that "Goli se jyaada Kohli se dar lagta hai"

Coaches could use this line for training their bowlers.... "Beta.. theek se phenko warna Kohli chauka / chakka marke Peete GA sure nahin Lagann paaya to daura daura ke maarega"
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
He can only be dismissed in this purple patch by his own mistake somehow or


Left arm baller bringing ball back into him at 145 kph.

140 kph outswinger at good length pitched on 5th stump swinging late.


153 kph bouncer or yorker.
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The question is not to dismiss him, the question is how to neutralize him and tackle the remain 10 players, when you know you cant get him out after the first 10-12 deliveries, why not just keep him quite and prevent him from influencing the result of the match?

What Sri Lanka did in the 2014 T-20 WC was masterful with their wide outside the off stump yorkers and restricting Kohli to singles while giving Yuvraj bulk of the strike. Sure Kohli is a class player who learns from his mistakes but the rest of the Indian batting line up barring Dhoni and in some patches Yuvi has looked very shaky and unreliable.
 
In my opinion the key to stopping kohli in a chase is to stop the singles he likes to hit to 3rd man but tbf the guy will find a way past that
 
MMHS said:
It has to be in line with his shot productivity - he is a busy player with calculative mind; I don't think cat & mouse game is going to work with him. When he comes to bat, put a Test match field risking 10+/over & try to get him out. With all respect, he is getting away every time the way he likes - if he fails one or twice, he 'll get confused. I don't think playing into his game any team can get better of him in India (or batting belters).
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Sure do that by all means for the first 10-12 balls but you have to realize once he gets his eye in, he is very very hard to dismiss unless he himself makes a mistake. The opposition captain needs to then cut off the boundaries against him, give him a single and then ruthlessly attack the other batsman.

I would like to see what Kohli does when wickets and quick wickets are falling at the other end non-stop and when the point comes where he is the last recognized batsman left. The mistake most captains are making is that they are allowing easy singles to the other batsman as well when Kohli is batting, if there is one thing which frustrates Kohli it is the inability to get the strike and the inability to be busy at the crease.
 
Hasan123 said:
In my opinion the key to stopping kohli in a chase is to stop the singles he likes to hit to 3rd man but tbf the guy will find a way past that
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That is what i am saying. Attack the other 10 players ruthlessly and if Kohli gets past his first 10-12 deliveries, give him the single, dry up his boundaries and ruthlessly attack the other 10 players and dont give them easy singles.
 
Pepper him with balls towards the off stump which swing away to cramp him up. Have two slips in place whilst doing so. Swing the odd ball into to him every now and then for either an lbw or his middle stump pegged back. I've seen him get caught behind off of bouncers.
 
After first 10 balls, It's a serious question but I would bowl on good length on 5th stump with a packed offside field.
I would do away with fine leg a day bring in a short third man on the off side to stop the dab to 3rd man. Make him do something he doesn't not want to do early on.
 
Yh that seems good idea especially to players like yuvraj and dhwaan who like hitting big if u do that by the time kholi has faced 10-12 balls he could be forced to play big shots. Will be interesting to see how new Zealand if they get to the final set a field for whoever bats with kohli and kohli in a run chase
 
Kohli's game is built on strike rotation - he scored his 50 today by hitting 3 boundaries and a six only - that is 32 runs in singles/doubles in a T20 innings, which is absolutely remarkable.

To get him out of his comfort-zone, teams have to think of a way to ensure that he is not able to rotate the strike early in his innings and his dot ball % is above 50 rather than below.

NZ did that to an extent and he played a risky shot; Bangladesh also managed to suffocate him and got bowled playing the sweep shot which does not come natural to him. Him playing the sweep means that he hasn't been allowed to be productive with his pet shots.

If he is made to take the aerial route early in his innings, he can be forced to throw his wicket away. One way is to pack the off-side field, have a slip and bowl full and wide.
 
AlphaFighter said:
That is what i am saying. Attack the other 10 players ruthlessly and if Kohli gets past his first 10-12 deliveries, give him the single, dry up his boundaries and ruthlessly attack the other 10 players and dont give them easy singles.
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Hasan123 said:
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Yh that seems good idea especially to players like yuvraj and dhwaan who like hitting big if u do that by the time kholi has faced 10-12 balls he could be forced to play big shots. Will be interesting to see how new Zealand if they get to the final set a field for whoever bats with kohli and kohli in a run chase
 
I have read all the various ways of stopping Kohli ... what an absolute pack of jokes ... really !!! All coming from couch warmers. Do you think the rival fielding teams just got off the boat to play cricket ??? They have analyzed
Kohli's EVERY outs to the smallest details ... but he does not make the same mistake in the same situation. So whatever plans you make for him, does not always bare fruit !!! When a batsman gets out, it is usually because he made a mistake ... and that is why there is ... BALL OF THE CENTURY ... and not a shot of the century !!!
 
Sadevdesai said:
I have read all the various ways of stopping Kohli ... what an absolute pack of jokes ... really !!! All coming from couch warmers. Do you think the rival fielding teams just got off the boat to play cricket ??? They have analyzed
Kohli's EVERY outs to the smallest details ... but he does not make the same mistake in the same situation. So whatever plans you make for him, does not always bare fruit !!! When a batsman gets out, it is usually because he made a mistake ... and that is why there is ... BALL OF THE CENTURY ... and not a shot of the century !!!
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That is what i am saying. Dont get Kohli out, just find a way to minimize the damage he can do. Once he is in having played 10-12 deliveries, forget about over attacking him and getting him out, give him the single, just place the fielders and make the bowlers bowl to a plan to not give him more than a single, but go all out against the other 10 batsmen who do not have Kohli's ability or class.

Sri Lanka did this beautifully in the 2014 T-20 WC where Malinga and Kulusekara bowled to a well thought out plan, bowling wide outside the off stump yorkers with a packed off side field and only giving Kohli a single while making the most of keeping the other batsmen quite.
 
First time I have seen a batsman who can force opposition to think twice when it comes to batting first after winning the toss. Many will still do it but Kohli factor will be always in mind of captains.
 
AlphaFighter said:
That is what i am saying. Dont get Kohli out, just find a way to minimize the damage he can do. Once he is in having played 10-12 deliveries, forget about over attacking him and getting him out, give him the single, just place the fielders and make the bowlers bowl to a plan to not give him more than a single, but go all out against the other 10 batsmen who do not have Kohli's ability or class.

Sri Lanka did this beautifully in the 2014 T-20 WC where Malinga and Kulusekara bowled to a well thought out plan, bowling wide outside the off stump yorkers with a packed off side field and only giving Kohli a single while making the most of keeping the other batsmen quite.
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I may be mixing matches here, but if I recall it right then it was Yuvraj on other end and he was having very hard time connecting anything. I don't think that Indian batting unit will have such a bad day all the time. You can't work with strategy to give easy single to Kohli unless he is batting with tail. Most Indian batsmen are very good in rotating the strike.
 
Buffet said:
I may be mixing matches here, but if I recall it right then it was Yuvraj on other end and he was having very hard time connecting anything. I don't think that Indian batting unit will have such a bad day all the time. You can't work with strategy to give easy single to Kohli unless he is batting with tail. Most Indian batsmen are very good in rotating the strike.
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Based on what I have seen in this t20 wc , there is a massive gulf in quality between Kohli and Dhoni and the rest of the batting line up. The opposition has blundered by giving both Kohli and especially the other batsman easy singles. Pressurize Kohli by getting quick wickets at the other end and making life hell for the other batsmen.

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AlphaFighter said:
Based on what I have seen in this t20 wc , there is a massive gulf in quality between Kohli and Dhoni and the rest of the batting line up. The opposition has blundered by giving both Kohli and especially the other batsman easy singles. Pressurize Kohli by getting quick wickets at the other end and making life hell for the other batsmen.

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What you are underestimating is their hitting ability. If you fill the inner ring with fielders, they will hit over them. Kohli just hit 6 fours and a six in 2 overs with 5 fielders outside the ring. These are dynamic batsmen. Also, the rest of the Indian batsmen have been in a bit of a rut here but each one of them is capable of rotating the strike and hit boundaries.
 
AlphaFighter said:
Based on what I have seen in this t20 wc , there is a massive gulf in quality between Kohli and Dhoni and the rest of the batting line up. The opposition has blundered by giving both Kohli and especially the other batsman easy singles. Pressurize Kohli by getting quick wickets at the other end and making life hell for the other batsmen.

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They may not be in good touch in this tournament but pretty much all of them can play big shots. I am all for not giving easy singles to anyone but you can't simply work on that angle and ignore everything else. Anyway, oppositions are not going to give easy singles to anyone. Captains/bowlers do try to avoid giving singles, but they don't want to concede 4/6 as well.
 
Keep picking up wickets at the other end. He is human after all and he is bound to feel the pressure of a rising runrate and lack of quality bats at the other end. As shown by NZ in this very world cup.
 
Bring back Kohli n Anushka together...thats the only way, after break up he has turned into a beast
 
OFF TOPIC: Anyone notice Kohli has these freaky wrists ? Salman Butt used to have similar wrists although not as good as Kohli's but still out of the ordinary...
 
You need a wicket taking bowler to get rid of him, a good leg spinner which gets drift would trouble any top batsmen. Right now Amir seems to be the only one capable of getting rid of Kohli.
 
Pakistan and Australia are his fav teams. He isn't invincible against other teams. He's improved by leaps and bounds though. 2015 wasn't a great year for him but the AUS ODI and T20 series was the start of Kohli 2.0
 
Many here talked about getting him out in the first 10-12 deliveries. I wanted to check how many times he has been actually out in those period to get a perspective. I couldn't get that stat. Could anyone help?
 
Indian_Supporter said:
In T20Is:

Average while chasing - 91.80
Successful chases average- 122.83
Successful chases in WT20 average - 434

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Here are the correct stats:

WT20 Chasing: (Avg = 228 Runs=457 inngs = 8 Not out = 6)

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...fault;template=results;trophy=89;type=batting

Only NZ got him out and won.


WT20 Chasing - Won Matches (Avg = 434 )
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...ult=1;template=results;trophy=89;type=batting

Only WI got him out but still lost the game.

Overall T20I stats: Runs = 918 Avg = 91.8 inngs=19 not out = 9

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting


Funny stats :)))
 
I think Shane warne said this -make him play only on one side all his shots and then you are in control that can frustrate him.

I think his game relies(other than running) a lot on making a bowler bowl to him where he likes it(credit to him for doing that),on tracks with not much life the bowler needs to be disciplined and in control rather than giving control.
 
Deny kohli strike rotation....by keeping close in fileders....bowl within stumps...and force him to go inside out.....also give a bowl to a spinner...and keep a slip in place....kohli likes to run a lot initially and then go on the 5th gear were facing 15 20 balls.....
 
Zak_Fan said:
You keep mentioning that first match like Pakistani fans mention Wahab Riaz's spell.

Exceptions don't make a norm.
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Kohli was chasing and we won.

In fact, NZ were the first team to break Kohli's record of scoring a 100 and leading India to victory stat in NZ.

Even when Kohli does score against us, he doesn't get the job done.
 
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Aman said:
Kohli was chasing and we won.

In fact, NZ were the first team to break Kohli's record of scoring a 100 and leading India to victory stat in NZ.

Even when Kohli does score against us, he doesn't get the job done.
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I almost want this NZ team to win the WC. Almost!!!
 
I think he gets irritated if he can't take his singles. Singles are more important to him than boundaries. Attcking field placement is the only way to go. Bring all the fielders inside the circle and restrict those easy singles.
 
Anyone who thinks that minimizing his (or any such class batsman's) impact is possible would end up creating *Kohli > Tendulkar* threads.

There are couple of ways to get rid of him. But you do need bowlers like inform Wahab/Amir or Asif to execute such ways.

1) If pitch is assisting, do what Junaid Khan and Amir did (in Asia Cup - although appeal was turned down), pitch it up, tight and little fuller around the off-stump and swing it in. A classical way to dismiss such kind of batsmen. Mix it up with the real short stump, he is kind of a player who can throw a catch in his free-flowing game.

2) If pitch is not assisting, do what Wahab did in 2011. Since he's a quick learner, he has learnt to counter that weak spot of him by moving/attacking. Don't feel pressurized, that is the thing that no one is able to maintain in front of Kohli. Mix it up but ultimately an out-cutter/swinger would get rid of him. Make sure that you got an aggressive field set for him. Since he's kind of a player who enforces his own game over others, teams throw their fielders right away after 2-3 shots.

3) If the ball is spinning of the deck, bowling him out behind his legs is something that can bring him back to ordinary level if done properly. His kind of batting style is much vulnerable to being bowled behind the stumps, something that Bangladeshis managed to do.


Also, stop his runs. He scores at two particular arcs during the cementing phase of his innings. Cover it heavily and keep your fielders there, he will make you change your field with pressure but sticking with the field is the key. He can play over a decade and be a legend if you can't keep pressure.

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(*Red areas are his scoring zones, you'll always see fielders standing at the boundary ropes in those areas, which lets him play to his strength with ease)
 
rhony said:
I almost want this NZ team to win the WC. Almost!!!
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I like to see the team doing well, but part of me wouldn't them losing this.

Winning the T20 WC wouldn't be the same as winning the real world cup, I'd prefer our first WC title to be the real thing and not some obvious money grab.
 
I think Watson bowled really well, his yorkers were hard to play, so maybe yorkers are the key against kohli?
 
The remaining teams need to come up with a game plan against kohli, I'm sure they can do that.
 
Not taking credit away from Kohli, but I don't think Australia or Pakistan had anything planned against him. New Zealand and Bangladesh, specially the latter, bowled pretty well to him. You need to have a clear plan against the top players, otherwise you're going to get smashed.

Joe Root has been a similar successs story in this World Cup. That 83 chasing a mammoth score vs South Africa to stay alive in the WC, was as good as Kohli's effort yesterday.

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A spinner is a better bet against kohli....when he comes out to bat...keep a slip in place and keep close in fielders....ditto for dhoni
...don't give them pace to play with...initially and went singles....that's the way to go...no matter what he hits few boundaries...it's the best way
 
I think Kohli and Smith are two Batsmen and possibly Root, these players you just hope they have a small hitch in concentration.

Obviously a left arm Pace bowler who can swing it back in at good speed is probably the hardest to play for any right hand batsman. This really depends on the conditions tbh
 
Either win the toss and bowl first. Kohli looks easier to get out batting first but even then he is still a huge threat. Or as others have said when he first comes in put intense pressure on him. With the fielders coming in restricting his singles and twos don't allow him to get into his groove. You have to treat him as THE wicket because you can see the Indian batting line up crumbling if you get Kohli early. Of course by using this tactic you could get smashed by Kohli and risk conceding 10 + an over but it's a risk you have to take.

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One thing I've always wondered is, what the hell is wrong with Kohli's neck?

Those that have watched him play will know exactly what I'm talking about, every time I watch him play he's doing that thing with his neck, yes EVERY SINGLE TIME.
 
Bring him to England..

That is the only suggestion left currently.
 
Of late the only slight weakness if at all is him hooking the short ball, you can spam bouners and wait for him to hole out at fine leg.
 
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