Sunil Gavaskar 50th anniversary of debut in Test cricket today - how great was he?

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Today on March 6th we commemorate a landmark day in the history of India being the 50th anniversary of legendary Sunil Gavaskar making his debut in test cricket. For the first time ever the immortal Sunil Gavaskar stepped on a cricket pitch to set sail for one of the most illustrious careers ever of any sportsman. What set him apart was his amazing powers of concentration, phenomenal willpower and impeccable technique. In terms of temperament he was Sport’s ultimate colossus. When batting in the middle he was the ultimate embodiment or epitome of concentration, reminiscent of a Monk meditating. His batting was the ultimate coaching manual for a schoolboy posessing the technical precision of a surgeon or architect. Without doubt one of the greatest cricketers ever to have set foot on a cricket field. Sunil played in an era of the greatest pace bowing attacks and yet had staggering statistical achievements reaching heights of the sublime. In his day he virtually broke all the test batting records inviting comparison with Bradman. After Don Bradman if I ever selected a batsman to score a test century Sunil Gavaskar would be my first choice. I do not have a word in the dictionary which could do full justice to the magnitude of Gavaskar’s achievements.

It is difficult to describe the depth to which Indian cricket's fortunes depended on Gavaskar who often literally weaved the entire team around him carrying the entire burden on his shoulders.Gavaskar was not as artistic as Vishwanath ,as talented as Viv Richards or Tendulkar or as aggressive as Barry Richards. Yet in amoral sense he was equally impactful.Whether on the seaming English pitches, the turning wickets on the sub-continent or the bouncy tracks in Australia,Gavaskar was equally at home. Above all unlike contemporary greats he never donned a helmet, that to facing pace bowling of speed lightning.

It is virtual irony that Sunny did not even make his school team or college team at first. It proves that cricket and sport is not only about natural talent but determination and mental tenacity.Gavaskar had determination as few Indians, let alone cricketers ever had to rise to glory.


PLAYING CAREER OF SUNIL GAVASKAR

His debut series in West Indies in 1971 was more glittering than any batsmen ever making a debut in the history of the game.Gavaskar compiled 774 run sat 154.8O which even Don Bradman or Sachin Tendulkar never even came close to in a debut. Unlike his later years Gavaskar revealed no inhibitions or restraint hooking, driving and cutting the Calypso bowlers all over the place. Above all he was with Dilip Sardesai the architect of India wining it's 1st series ever in West Indies. Ironically it was statistically the best batting of his entire career. It was virtually the equivalent of a comet arriving in the game of Cricket. Till this day Gary Sobers maintains that he never saw an overseas batsman bat better in the Carribean or anywhere. In Trinidad he scored a double century with a toothache, revealing the bravery of a soldier. It was a virtual revelation for fans to witness Gavaskar hooking, a shot which he virtually eliminated for a very long part of his career later. It was also unbelievable that the great Rohan Kanhai even though playing for West Indies encourage Sunil in the middle to reach his century, When Gavaskar made his errors it was Kanhai who rebuked Gavaskar for losing concentration. Rarely has a batsman resembled a sculptor as Gavaskar did on that tour as though he was building a historical monument.

For a long time after his debut in 1971 Gavaskar lost his sparkle,hardly revealing the same consistency Still he gave occasional flashes of brilliance when scoring 100 and 57 at Manchester in 1974.Arguably they were two of the finest exhibition sof batting against the moving ball by an overseas batsman in England. He also scored a classy 86 at Mumbai against West Indies.- in 1974-75. In the 4th innings.

It was in West Indies that Gavaskar ressurected his 1971 glory scoring 2 centuries at an average of 55.71. He was the architect of India making the then record run chase at Trinidad when India chased 406 runs in the 4th innings. His 156 in the 2nd test all but won India the test but for intervention of rain and bad umpiring decisions. In the final test at Kingston he scored 65 against the fieriest bowling on a wicket with cracks. He may not have been the best of entertainers but he was still the master craftsman, technical skill personified. Till then no opening batsman played the likes of Andy Roberts or Michael Holding with such impeccable skill. Gavaskar was a model of consistency in New Zealand against a lesser attack, but still tackled the great Richard Hadlee with great skill. He was not so successful against England in 1976-77 at home inspite of a marvellous century at Mumbai.

It was the 1977-1980 period that marked the golden era of the little maestro. Since the advent of Don Bradman statistically no batsman broke as many batting records or made such statistical domination emcompassing the globe. Never did any batsman since Bradman score test centuries at such a frequency with Gavaskar scoring a century in every five test innings. Since Bradman I can’t remember any batsman be it even Tendulkar,Virat Kohli or Steve Smith break records with such frequency.Gavaskar scored a thousand runs more than any batsman ever in a single calendar year and became first batsman to score a hundred in each innings of a test three times.

In Australia in 1977-78 he scored three centuries at an average of 50.Sadly inspite of his hundreds India lost 2 tsetse there by the margin of a whisker.

In Pakistan facing Imran Khan at his fastest he scored 447 runs averaging 89.80.It was a revelation witnessing Sunny battle to ressurect India from dire straits ,even if India were defeated 2-0.No batsman ever played the great Imran as clinically as Sunil.I challenge anyone to confront Imran at full throttle with as much pugnacity as Gavaskar with the odds stacked against a team who were locked down in the barrel.

Facing West Indies at home in 1978-79 Gavaskar came close to incarnating Bradman scoring 732 runs at an average of 91.50. His 205 at Bombay was close to the ultimate epitome of perfection in batting.

On the 1979 tour of England Gavaskar batted better than any overseas opening batsman ever in England ,Scoring 542 run sat an average of 77.42.In the final test at the Oval is 221 with India chasing a record 438 in the 4th innings, was arguably the best innings ever by an opening batsman or close to the most majestic innings of all time. For 8 hours or 443 deliveries he did not commit a mistake, resembling a sculptor carving a great monument .I have never seen a batsman so focussed or flawless as Gavaskar that day who took batting perfection to heights rarely reached. India was virtually ressurected from the grave to come within a whisker of reaching the pinnacle of glory. Every boundary Sunil executed that day touched the very core of the soul of fans In India hearing the radio .commentary, lifting the entire spirit or morale of the nation .Every good ball was played on merit and every bad ball dispatched for four. India was on the verge of attaining untold glory before Sunil's exit at 221,with dubious umpiring decisions robbing India of achieving a record winning 4th innings total. In a home series against Australia he scored 2 centuries averaging above 57 .Later playing against a strong Pakistan team he averaged over 52,scoring a match-winning 166 at Madras and fifties at Bangalore and Mumbai.

Gavaskar was the architect of India winning its first series agaisnt Pakistani for 28 years. Even if not as entertaining as Kapil Dev Gavaskat grinded it out for eight hours to score 166 at Madras, to win the match for India.

For the first time in his career Gavaskar faced such sensational loss of form on the tour of Australia and New Zealand in 1980-81,scoring only one 50.It was as a sight to behold witnessing Gavaskar repeatedly struggle against the likes of Lillee,Pascoe and Hadlee.Arguably a bad umpiring decision at Melbourne denied Gavaskar a century, but ironically India went on to win the test and square the series.

In 1981-82 Sunny made a welcome return to form against England averaging over 62 with a monumental 172 at Bangalore, match-winning 55 at Mumbai and match-saving unbeaten 83 at Kolkata. In England in 1982 he was unsuccessful but for classical 48 at Lords against the moving ball. It was a sight to behold witnessing Gavasakar fend off the short pitched balls of Bob Wilis bowling in full steam, scoring 48 out of a score of 111.

Facing Imran Khan at his best in Pakistan in 1982-83 Gavaskar was nit at his best as in 1978-79 but still compiled a classical unbeaten 127 at Faisalabad and elegant 83 at Lahore. He was a failure on the tour of West Indies in 1982-83 apart from a classical 90 in the 2nd ODI and unbeaten 147 at Georgetown.

In the home series v West Indies Gavaskar gave vibrations of Dr Jeyky and Mr Hyde.He looked completely out of touch at Kanpur, Mumbai and Kolkata but in Delhi,Ahmedabad and Madras he batted perhaps better than he ever did. His 121 at Delhi was scored in scintillating stlye reaching his hundred of a mere 94 balls At Ahmedabad his 90 was close to the best ever innings by an opening batsman ever on bad wicket. I simply can never forget his rattling drives and crafty pull and hook shots of Malcolm Marshall. His double century in dead rubber at Madras was concentration and technical skill personified.Gavaskar for most of the series made a virtual metamorphosis of his batting style, from defensive to an attacking batsman. He proved his prowess in attacking agression. At his best he launched a virtual blitzkrieg against Marshall, Holding and Daniel.

He failed at home against England in 1984 but in Australia in 1985-96 matched the magnitude of his earlier best performances, averaging over 100.

In his farewell series playing Pakistan at home even if he averaged under 50, Gavaskar gave touches of his mythical career. On a broken pitch he scored 96 at Bangalore where he resembled a surgeon performing an operation on patient considered incurable with success. I have never witnessed any batsman display mastery in such sublime proportions on a pitch with devils, with the ball literally turning square. Sunny dropped his hands down the bat in the manner of a sculptor meticulously carving a monument. I doubt even Don Bradman,Viv Richards or Sachin Tendulkar would have batted better than Gavaskar that day. India lost the game by 16 runs, with the exit of Sunil literally calling the curtains and sealing the hopes of an Indian win. There could have been no better illustration of the extent to which Gavaskar carried Indian cricket on its shoulders. putting curtains on a win.

Gavaskar set seal on carer with a monumental 188 in a match between an MCC XI and World XI in match commemorating the bicentenary.He was fortunate to be given a reprieve when looking plumb leg before to Malcolm Marshall before setting any runs on the board. However in that knock he simply wrote an epic taking batting technical virtuosity to its ultimate crescendo as though giving an exhibition.


HOW GREAT WAS SUNIL GAVASKAR?

Where would Gavaskar rate amongst the all-time greats? Amongst cricketers overall I would guarantee Gavaskar a place in the top 25 His rank may be debatable but his place unquestionable. Gavaskar would rank amongst the 4 best opening batsmen ever, and ten best batsman ever. Statistically with 34 centuries and 10,122 run sat an average of 51.12 he is the best opener of all time. However he did not equal the attacking, match-winning prowess of Barry Richards, the mastery of Jack Hobbs or Victor Trumper on wet or bad wickets, or technical correctness of Len Hutton. Considering the first class records of Hobbs and Barry Richards and best performances at International level, by a whisker I rate them above Gavaskar.I would declare a virtual dead heat between LenHutton and Gavaskar at third place.

Compared to all great batsman I would rank Sunny just a notch below the likes of Bradman, Hobbs,Lara, Tendulkar, Viv Richards ,Walter Hamond or Gary Sobers in test cricket who all had a more staggering strike rate more merciless than Gavaskar. I rank Gavaskar at ninth place overall in test cricket I do not put him in contention for challenging Don Bradman or Jack Hobbs for no 1 spot because of his inability to win or turn games as much those I rate ahead of him. Combining cricket overall Gavskar inspite of not such a great record would constitute my top dozen batsman.

Amongst Indian batsman I rank Sunny Gavaskar only 2nd to Tendulkar in test cricket. I rate Tendulkar marginally better because he dominated bowling to a greater extent and also dominated at the top for a longer period. Afterall Gavaskar was overshadowed by Viv Richards for a long part, while Sachin for sustained periods was at no 1 spot., contending with Brien Lara. No doubt in a 4th innings or in a crisis Gavaskar was better player than Sachin Tendulkar and also against electrifying pace bowling.

It is pertinent that Gavaskar did not average so highly in matches won when you compare with likes of Viv Richards,Greg Chappell or even Gordon Greenidge or Gundappa Vishwanath in his era. Still apart from Vishwanath Sunny had no support from the middle order, so often having to retrieve a sinking ship. Somehow I am still critical of Gavaskar often not stepping the gas or elevating the tempo of the game and just grinding it out too laboriously. I can't forget how Greenidge or Sehwag turned the face of games on countless occasion with exhilarating strokeplay. Of course with Len Hutton I rate Gavaskar as the best defensive batsman of all time. Also noteworthy that Gavaskar has three innings ranked amongst the Wisden all-time 100,while Tendulkar does not have a single one. In terms of temperament and concentration no doubt he overshadowed Tendulkar or Viv Richards.

How did Gavaskar compare with Bradman? No doubt Sunny faced much better bowling and I doubt that opening facing the same bowlers the Don would have overshadowed Sunil. However Gavaskar's batting strike rate was not in the Bradman class .Some rate Sunny on par because of his performances against West Indies. I wish to highlight that Gavaskar was prolific against the weaker West Indies bowling attacks and not so successful against the top paceman as batsman like Greg Chappell, Alan Border, Graham Gooch and Mohinder Amarnath. Gavaskar benefited to an extent by facing lesser pace bowling attacks of West Indies in 1978-79 and Australia in 1977-78 without the likes of Dennis Lillee,Michael Holding ,Andy Roberts or Joel Garner. He scored around 1200 runs and 9 centuries against the weaker attacks. Also most of his test centuries against West Indies were scored against the weaker attacks and not against the quartet of Marshall. Holding, Roberts and Marshall. In 1983-84 facing the greatest pace attack he averaged around 43 scoring a fifty or century 4 times in 21 innings. Sunny averaged around 45 against this top quartet against his overall average of 65.80 against West Indies. To me against the express pace of West Indies at his best England's Graham Gooch eclipsed Sunil. Calypso pace bowling great Andy Roberts felt Sunny was not at his best on bouncy tracks where in his view Vishwanath was the better player. Pertinent that many of his centuries came in the 2nd innings, with the venom reduced on the track.

I would have loved to have witnessed Gavaskar at his best from 1977-1979 facing the greatest West Indies pace attack which Greg Chappell did or later Alan Border and Mohinder Amarnath..Then my findings could be more conclusive. It would have also been a spectacle seeing Sunny play in WSC Packer supertests facing the likes of Lillee, Imran,Roberts and Holding

Sunny did not have inborn genius but was the ultimate master. Technically I rank Sunny on par with Hanif Mohammad and Vijay Merchant and a whisker below Barry Richards ,Len Hutton and Sachin Tendulkar For pure defence against the short ball noone was Gavaskar's equal. Very few had a more classical cover drive or shot through mid wicket.Gavaskar was not so artistic or inventive but applied grammar in accordance with circumstances as none did. No batsman was more a manifestation of mediators on the cricket field.

As a skipper he was shrewd but at times ultra-defensive. We did defeat Pakistan at home in 1979-80 and England in 1981-82 being led by Sunny and draw a rubber for the first time on Australian soil. However India also faced humiliating defeats in Pakistan in 1982-83 and series losses against England at home and away. I feel Sunny could not bind or nurture a team like Tiger Patuadi,Saurav Ganguly or Azharuddin.Still he has to his credit leading India to win the World championship of Cricket tournament in Australia in 1985 which is a remarkable achievement.

Still I have to respect the words of greats like Imran who classed Sunny as the most compact batsman ever and of Viv Richards or Gary Sobers who ranked Sunny as the best batsman of his time. Legendary allrounder Ian Botham rated Sunny the bests opening batsman of his day and so did Malcolm Marshall. Cricket experts like Cristopher Martin Jenkins and John Woodcock placed Sunny within touching distance of Bradman.Don Bradman may have been unfair in excluding Gavaskar from his all-time XI but by a whisker my first choices would still be Barry Richards and Jack Hobbs. English legend late Len Hutton described Gavaskar as the best batsman of his generation, above even Viv Richards. Pakistani batsman Saed Anwar and Javed Miandad rate Sunny the best of all Indian batsman and so do the West Indies paceman Andy Roberts and Michael Holding.To me most unfairly Dennis Lille does not rank Gavaskar amongst his very best.

A very enjoyable commentator with most insightful and balanced perspectives Applied the same discipline and application to commentating as when playing Cricket. I loved Gavaskar’s choices of Rohan Kanhai and Gundappa Vishwanath as the best batsman he ever saw, and Andy Roberts as his best fast bowler ,which respects the art or grace of cricket rather than the magnitude of statistical numbers,

Neverthless we must remember that even the greatest monuments have their flaws and the greatest of men are not Gods. That could be more relevant to Sunil Gavaskar than anyone on his 50th birthday in the glorious game of test cricket.
 
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Gavankar is an ATG.

Laid the foundation of Indian batting starting from his time.
 
The greatest opener of all-time alongside Jack Hobbs and ahead of Len Hutton and Barry Richards.
 
Great post [MENTION=132062]Harsh Thakor[/MENTION].

Sunny is a Legend.
 
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The greatest opener of all-time alongside Jack Hobbs and ahead of Len Hutton and Barry Richards.
Lol, Barry Richards! On the basis of a total count of 4 tests he played in his test career.

He might have been a great success in FC cricket but as so many others like Hick and Ramprakash showed that success in FC cricket doesn't automatically translate into success in the highest form of cricket.
 
An amazing player

First to break 10000 Test run barrier, forst to break Bradman's 29 Test century record.
 
A master on bad wickets. Bangalore 1987 will go down as an all-time great innings.
 
Great Great player, distinction against fast bowling specially the west indies quicks without helmets, his Achilles heel was imran.
 
Greatest test opener in last 50 years.
 
Second greatest test batsman ever since Bradman and there is a fair argument of him being the greatest ever batsman as well as cricketer if it is taken into account he played in the toughest era for a batsman, as an opener, without helmet and for a mediocre country and still averaged 50+.

Also a well educated, thoughtful, articulated, funny bloke. A true ambassador and icon of the game.

If ever a text book is to be written on how to bat in test cricket, Sunil Gavaskar would serve as the perfect example.
 
Lol, Barry Richards! On the basis of a total count of 4 tests he played in his test career.

He might have been a great success in FC cricket but as so many others like Hick and Ramprakash showed that success in FC cricket doesn't automatically translate into success in the highest form of cricket.

Barry was brilliant in WSC too. He was just unlucky not to play many internationals and that is why I am rating him behind Hobbs, Gavaskar and Hutton.
 
Long before the cable TV revolution and social media boom, the faithful transistor was Indian fan's best buddy. It was an era when the West Indies produced some of the greatest quicks the world has ever seen, Australia had Dennis Lillee and Jeff Thomson, Pakistan had Imran Khan and Sarfaraz Nawaz. India didn't have the firepower with the ball to match them, but then, they had Sunil Gavaskar, the man who could blunt them all.

Today marks 50 years since the game's greatest opening batsman, first played international cricket, against West Indies at Port of Spain. In an interview with TOI, Gavaskar talks about that smashing start in the Caribbean in 1971, his fascinating journey, the best cricketers he played against and his knocks that are part of folklore.

Excerpts…

Fifty years since your debut. What do you remember about that day?

What I remember even today is the sense of pride and happiness at being finally able to wear the India cap. The cap had been given as part of our touring kit like blazer, sweater, etc, but I didn't wear it in the few First-Class games we played before the Test match.

774 runs in your debut series. No one has been able to match that performance. What was the secret of that start?

Pure luck. Imagine the greatest cricketer of all time, Sir Garfield Sobers dropping me twice even before I had settled in!

Why did you never wear a helmet? Did you try one in the nets or in county matches?

Nobody wore helmets those days. We barely had leg-guards and gloves. Our thigh guards then were the hand towels in the hotel which we shoved into our front pocket! It's only after this tour ('71 tour to the West Indies) that a sponge thigh guard was made but which hardly served the purpose. I never really felt the need for a helmet, because I was confident of my technique. It was only after Malcolm Marshall hit me flush on the forehead that I used the skull cap. The skull cap I used only in the last three years of my career. That too only while the ball was new. Then it was back to the white Panama hat.

You played so many great innings. If you get a chance of playing an innings again, which one would it be? And why?

Ideally every innings where I got a duck is what I would like to play again so maybe I could get some runs!

That 96, in your final Test innings in Bangalore, is talked about a lot. What do you remember most about that knock?

What I vividly remember even today is a rare short ball from the left-hand spinner Iqbal Qasim and in my eagerness, I hit it straight to the fielder for a dot ball!

You must be aware that people switched off their transistors after you got out? How did you deal with that pressure? Even in grounds, people came to watch only you…

It was only at Eden Gardens that I felt the pressure of crowd expectations. I was desperate to get big runs there to get the unbelievable ovation of the 90000-plus crowd, but eventually I got runs only in one Test match over there.

That famous dismissal in the 1983 Kanpur Test, where you were caught by Winston Davis off Malcolm Marshall with the bat falling off. A lot was written about it and suggestions were made that it was time to go. Talk us through your feelings after Kanpur and in the days leading up to that blazing hundred at Kotla?

In the infamous Test at Sabina Park (in Jamaica) in 1976, where there was a bouncer barrage at us, I, accidentally discovered that with being barely able to grip the bat after the battering the fingers had got, if the bat was held loose and the ball hit the gloves, it would drop dead at my feet because there was no 'give' of the gloves. The bat would fall from the hands but I would grab it before it fell to the ground. That became my way of playing the short ball while defending it. In the Kanpur Test in 1983, the ball actually didn't bounce as much, so instead of hitting the gloves, it hit the shoulder of the bat which was gripped loosely, and so the impact made the bat fly out of my hands. I was disappointed as I had failed once again in my in-law's town and resolved that I would start hooking the short ball again.

Did you consciously cut down on shots knowing how much the team depended on you? How difficult is that self-denial mode? In that sense, do you feel that Cheteshwar Pujara is sometimes unfairly criticized?

Yes, I had cut down the hook shot to a great extent as it was not a percentage shot. The cut shot too got me out often so I barely played it. Yes, Cheteshwar denies himself for the sake of the team and needs to be appreciated more, because it's his solidity at one end that allows the stroke players at the other end to play their shots.

Did you change bat weights as you grew older?

My bat weight changed marginally as I grew older. They became a bit heavier for that time.

A lot was speculated about your frosty relationship with Kapil Dev, especially after he was dropped midway into the series against England at home in 1984-85.

Ours was, and is a relationship of mutual respect. He is ten years younger than me so his circle of friends were different. As for him being dropped, all I can tell you that it wasn't me who proposed that action. I maybe a lot of things but am not an idiot to propose dropping the only match-winner in the team. Remember also that as captain, I was only co-opted to the selection panel with no voting rights.

Your relationship with the media then and now. Has it changed?

My relationship with the media is pretty good I think. After 1978, because of the offer from World Series cricket, I was called a traitor by some.

You have also been criticised for speak too much in favour of the BCCI.

All those who feel that way weren't even born in the 70s when I was taking up the players' cause with BCCI. Today, it has become fashionable to call those who are not anti-establishment as spineless and chamchas. I do not need a certificate from them about my integrity.

Who was more lethal? Malcolm Marshall, Andy Roberts or Michael Holding?

Andy Roberts was more lethal, as he could bowl the unplayable ball even when you were past a hundred.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...il-gavaskar/articleshow/81360275.cms?from=mdr
 
Barry was brilliant in WSC too. He was just unlucky not to play many internationals and that is why I am rating him behind Hobbs, Gavaskar and Hutton.
Too bad for WSC fans, it wasn't official cricket!
 
Please come here [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] After all Gavaskar was a legend
 
Long before the cable TV revolution and social media boom, the faithful transistor was Indian fan's best buddy. It was an era when the West Indies produced some of the greatest quicks the world has ever seen, Australia had Dennis Lillee and Jeff Thomson, Pakistan had Imran Khan and Sarfaraz Nawaz. India didn't have the firepower with the ball to match them, but then, they had Sunil Gavaskar, the man who could blunt them all.

Today marks 50 years since the game's greatest opening batsman, first played international cricket, against West Indies at Port of Spain. In an interview with TOI, Gavaskar talks about that smashing start in the Caribbean in 1971, his fascinating journey, the best cricketers he played against and his knocks that are part of folklore.

Excerpts…

Fifty years since your debut. What do you remember about that day?

What I remember even today is the sense of pride and happiness at being finally able to wear the India cap. The cap had been given as part of our touring kit like blazer, sweater, etc, but I didn't wear it in the few First-Class games we played before the Test match.

774 runs in your debut series. No one has been able to match that performance. What was the secret of that start?

Pure luck. Imagine the greatest cricketer of all time, Sir Garfield Sobers dropping me twice even before I had settled in!

Why did you never wear a helmet? Did you try one in the nets or in county matches?

Nobody wore helmets those days. We barely had leg-guards and gloves. Our thigh guards then were the hand towels in the hotel which we shoved into our front pocket! It's only after this tour ('71 tour to the West Indies) that a sponge thigh guard was made but which hardly served the purpose. I never really felt the need for a helmet, because I was confident of my technique. It was only after Malcolm Marshall hit me flush on the forehead that I used the skull cap. The skull cap I used only in the last three years of my career. That too only while the ball was new. Then it was back to the white Panama hat.

You played so many great innings. If you get a chance of playing an innings again, which one would it be? And why?

Ideally every innings where I got a duck is what I would like to play again so maybe I could get some runs!

That 96, in your final Test innings in Bangalore, is talked about a lot. What do you remember most about that knock?

What I vividly remember even today is a rare short ball from the left-hand spinner Iqbal Qasim and in my eagerness, I hit it straight to the fielder for a dot ball!

You must be aware that people switched off their transistors after you got out? How did you deal with that pressure? Even in grounds, people came to watch only you…

It was only at Eden Gardens that I felt the pressure of crowd expectations. I was desperate to get big runs there to get the unbelievable ovation of the 90000-plus crowd, but eventually I got runs only in one Test match over there.

That famous dismissal in the 1983 Kanpur Test, where you were caught by Winston Davis off Malcolm Marshall with the bat falling off. A lot was written about it and suggestions were made that it was time to go. Talk us through your feelings after Kanpur and in the days leading up to that blazing hundred at Kotla?

In the infamous Test at Sabina Park (in Jamaica) in 1976, where there was a bouncer barrage at us, I, accidentally discovered that with being barely able to grip the bat after the battering the fingers had got, if the bat was held loose and the ball hit the gloves, it would drop dead at my feet because there was no 'give' of the gloves. The bat would fall from the hands but I would grab it before it fell to the ground. That became my way of playing the short ball while defending it. In the Kanpur Test in 1983, the ball actually didn't bounce as much, so instead of hitting the gloves, it hit the shoulder of the bat which was gripped loosely, and so the impact made the bat fly out of my hands. I was disappointed as I had failed once again in my in-law's town and resolved that I would start hooking the short ball again.

Did you consciously cut down on shots knowing how much the team depended on you? How difficult is that self-denial mode? In that sense, do you feel that Cheteshwar Pujara is sometimes unfairly criticized?

Yes, I had cut down the hook shot to a great extent as it was not a percentage shot. The cut shot too got me out often so I barely played it. Yes, Cheteshwar denies himself for the sake of the team and needs to be appreciated more, because it's his solidity at one end that allows the stroke players at the other end to play their shots.

Did you change bat weights as you grew older?

My bat weight changed marginally as I grew older. They became a bit heavier for that time.

A lot was speculated about your frosty relationship with Kapil Dev, especially after he was dropped midway into the series against England at home in 1984-85.

Ours was, and is a relationship of mutual respect. He is ten years younger than me so his circle of friends were different. As for him being dropped, all I can tell you that it wasn't me who proposed that action. I maybe a lot of things but am not an idiot to propose dropping the only match-winner in the team. Remember also that as captain, I was only co-opted to the selection panel with no voting rights.

Your relationship with the media then and now. Has it changed?

My relationship with the media is pretty good I think. After 1978, because of the offer from World Series cricket, I was called a traitor by some.

You have also been criticised for speak too much in favour of the BCCI.

All those who feel that way weren't even born in the 70s when I was taking up the players' cause with BCCI. Today, it has become fashionable to call those who are not anti-establishment as spineless and chamchas. I do not need a certificate from them about my integrity.

Who was more lethal? Malcolm Marshall, Andy Roberts or Michael Holding?

Andy Roberts was more lethal, as he could bowl the unplayable ball even when you were past a hundred.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...il-gavaskar/articleshow/81360275.cms?from=mdr

Where do you rate him amongst openers of all time?Any view on my analysis?
 
I rate him as the greatest Indian test batsman ever, edging rahul dravid. The guy was the original wall and it was almost impossible to get him out by some of the best bowlers of the era.
 
I rate him as the greatest Indian test batsman ever, edging rahul dravid. The guy was the original wall and it was almost impossible to get him out by some of the best bowlers of the era.

Better than Tendulkar?If so why?Equal to Viv and Lara?
 
Best opener in test cricket history. One of best asian test batsmen ever.

Only black mark on his name is that famous odi inns he played in the world cup ;)
 
A bonafide legend and one of the greatest ever. Started the legacy of batting records in India. Even now during commentary, he keeps saying how a player is x runs away from 50 and y runs from hundred. And keeps saying how somebody missed out on a hundred or 50. Sachin's obsession with records comes from this very attitude. It's the obsession to be the best in the world by way of proving through tangible metrics.
 
To me, Sunny is the greatest test batsman in cricket history . It's not a joke to score the first 10000 test runs for the first time in the history with 50plus average and as an opener too in an era where bowlers used to get pitches favoring them , no neutral umpire, no DRS .
 
Greatest opener from Asia hands down.

Also makes a Test Best XI
 
The more you hear about his achievements, the greater he seems to have been. Casual highlights of his knocks that pop up during current series, also help.

However for me, who never got to watch him live, his contributions have been on air. When you listen to him for over a decade, he becomes repetitive and boring in his cricket analysis. He has also been accused of pandering too much to BCCI diktats. But one thing he's done like no one else is stand up for India, and I'd argue the whole subcontinent, while commentating in Australia and England and arguing against the hypocrisies, casual racism and insults.

Even now, Atherton sometimes throws out a bait knowing Sunny will go on a rant. It's like the more balanced among them have come to appreciate and even enjoy his rants.
 
The more you hear about his achievements, the greater he seems to have been. Casual highlights of his knocks that pop up during current series, also help.

However for me, who never got to watch him live, his contributions have been on air. When you listen to him for over a decade, he becomes repetitive and boring in his cricket analysis. He has also been accused of pandering too much to BCCI diktats. But one thing he's done like no one else is stand up for India, and I'd argue the whole subcontinent, while commentating in Australia and England and arguing against the hypocrisies, casual racism and insults.

Even now, Atherton sometimes throws out a bait knowing Sunny will go on a rant. It's like the more balanced among them have come to appreciate and even enjoy his rants.

It was Sunny and Ravi who started giving it back to the English and Aussie commies.
 
You have to watch Gavaskar clips to know how good he was.

He wasn't just a wall - he had incredible stroke playing prowess. He could not be either intimidated or bored to give his wicket away.

Also not a bottler in tough situations.

A top, top player.
 
Someone who will almost always feature as the no. 1 opener in the Greatest Test XI line up of most cricket fans I've interacted with in different cricket forums.

Have seen a lot of English and Australian fans not including Tendulkar in their GOAT XI, but Gavaskar almost always features at the top of every one's best ever XI.
 
The more you hear about his achievements, the greater he seems to have been. Casual highlights of his knocks that pop up during current series, also help.

However for me, who never got to watch him live, his contributions have been on air. When you listen to him for over a decade, he becomes repetitive and boring in his cricket analysis. He has also been accused of pandering too much to BCCI diktats. But one thing he's done like no one else is stand up for India, and I'd argue the whole subcontinent, while commentating in Australia and England and arguing against the hypocrisies, casual racism and insults.

Even now, Atherton sometimes throws out a bait knowing Sunny will go on a rant. It's like the more balanced among them have come to appreciate and even enjoy his rants.

Keep aside his commentary and his reason to talk the way he does which is a separate discussion.

Sunny the cricketer is a G.O.A.T.
Have seen (or rather heard on transistor) many of those memorable knocks. He used to put a steep price on his wicket and could go on and on playing forever and usually ran out of partners.
Extremely bold and confident in his abilities. Can you believe that he used to hook sixes off Marshall & Garners, nonchalantly and that too without wearing a helmet?
 
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Keep aside his commentary and his reason to talk the way he does which is a separate discussion.

Sunny the cricketer is a G.O.A.T.
Have seen (or rather heard on transistor) many of those memorable knocks. He used to put a steep price on his wicket and could go on and on playing forever and usually ran out of partners.
Extremely bold and confident in his abilities. Can you believe that he used to hook sixes off Marshall & Garners, nonchalantly and that too without wearing a helmet.

Apparently he once batted left-handed vs a particular spinner in a domestic game to take the rough out of the equation. Having never batted lefty before :rabada2
 
It was Sunny and Ravi who started giving it back to the English and Aussie commies.

Yeah Shastri too, though he was probably more flexible about jibes than Sunny. Still remember Shastri ripping into Mike Denness for his ridiculous bans during that rubbish press conference.
 
Yeah Shastri too, though he was probably more flexible about jibes than Sunny. Still remember Shastri ripping into Mike Denness for his ridiculous bans during that rubbish press conference.

Yes.

After Mike Denness refused to answer any questions in PC:

Shastri: If he isnt going to speak, why is here? We all know what he looks like.

Epic

:ravi
 
First opener I would pick for my ATG eleven.

His debut series in WI deserves a movie to be made on it, so inspiring, so courageous , just an unbelievable feat. Four centuries in 4 tests, including a double ton, that too in West Indies, mind-boggling stuff.
 
Without any doubt he is the best Indian batsman in tests. Would have loved to see him open with Sehwag. :inti
 
Today on March 6th we commemorate a landmark day in the history of India being the 50th anniversary of legendary Sunil Gavaskar making his debut in test cricket. For the first time ever the immortal Sunil Gavaskar stepped on a cricket pitch to set sail for one of the most illustrious careers ever of any sportsman. What set him apart was his amazing powers of concentration, phenomenal willpower and impeccable technique. In terms of temperament he was Sport’s ultimate colossus. When batting in the middle he was the ultimate embodiment or epitome of concentration, reminiscent of a Monk meditating. His batting was the ultimate coaching manual for a schoolboy posessing the technical precision of a surgeon or architect. Without doubt one of the greatest cricketers ever to have set foot on a cricket field. Sunil played in an era of the greatest pace bowing attacks and yet had staggering statistical achievements reaching heights of the sublime. In his day he virtually broke all the test batting records inviting comparison with Bradman. After Don Bradman if I ever selected a batsman to score a test century Sunil Gavaskar would be my first choice. I do not have a word in the dictionary which could do full justice to the magnitude of Gavaskar’s achievements.

It is difficult to describe the depth to which Indian cricket's fortunes depended on Gavaskar who often literally weaved the entire team around him carrying the entire burden on his shoulders.Gavaskar was not as artistic as Vishwanath ,as talented as Viv Richards or Tendulkar or as aggressive as Barry Richards. Yet in amoral sense he was equally impactful.Whether on the seaming English pitches, the turning wickets on the sub-continent or the bouncy tracks in Australia,Gavaskar was equally at home. Above all unlike contemporary greats he never donned a helmet, that to facing pace bowling of speed lightning.

It is virtual irony that Sunny did not even make his school team or college team at first. It proves that cricket and sport is not only about natural talent but determination and mental tenacity.Gavaskar had determination as few Indians, let alone cricketers ever had to rise to glory.


PLAYING CAREER OF SUNIL GAVASKAR

His debut series in West Indies in 1971 was more glittering than any batsmen ever making a debut in the history of the game.Gavaskar compiled 774 run sat 154.8O which even Don Bradman or Sachin Tendulkar never even came close to in a debut. Unlike his later years Gavaskar revealed no inhibitions or restraint hooking, driving and cutting the Calypso bowlers all over the place. Above all he was with Dilip Sardesai the architect of India wining it's 1st series ever in West Indies. Ironically it was statistically the best batting of his entire career. It was virtually the equivalent of a comet arriving in the game of Cricket. Till this day Gary Sobers maintains that he never saw an overseas batsman bat better in the Carribean or anywhere. In Trinidad he scored a double century with a toothache, revealing the bravery of a soldier. It was a virtual revelation for fans to witness Gavaskar hooking, a shot which he virtually eliminated for a very long part of his career later. It was also unbelievable that the great Rohan Kanhai even though playing for West Indies encourage Sunil in the middle to reach his century, When Gavaskar made his errors it was Kanhai who rebuked Gavaskar for losing concentration. Rarely has a batsman resembled a sculptor as Gavaskar did on that tour as though he was building a historical monument.

For a long time after his debut in 1971 Gavaskar lost his sparkle,hardly revealing the same consistency Still he gave occasional flashes of brilliance when scoring 100 and 57 at Manchester in 1974.Arguably they were two of the finest exhibition sof batting against the moving ball by an overseas batsman in England. He also scored a classy 86 at Mumbai against West Indies.- in 1974-75. In the 4th innings.

It was in West Indies that Gavaskar ressurected his 1971 glory scoring 2 centuries at an average of 55.71. He was the architect of India making the then record run chase at Trinidad when India chased 406 runs in the 4th innings. His 156 in the 2nd test all but won India the test but for intervention of rain and bad umpiring decisions. In the final test at Kingston he scored 65 against the fieriest bowling on a wicket with cracks. He may not have been the best of entertainers but he was still the master craftsman, technical skill personified. Till then no opening batsman played the likes of Andy Roberts or Michael Holding with such impeccable skill. Gavaskar was a model of consistency in New Zealand against a lesser attack, but still tackled the great Richard Hadlee with great skill. He was not so successful against England in 1976-77 at home inspite of a marvellous century at Mumbai.

It was the 1977-1980 period that marked the golden era of the little maestro. Since the advent of Don Bradman statistically no batsman broke as many batting records or made such statistical domination emcompassing the globe. Never did any batsman since Bradman score test centuries at such a frequency with Gavaskar scoring a century in every five test innings. Since Bradman I can’t remember any batsman be it even Tendulkar,Virat Kohli or Steve Smith break records with such frequency.Gavaskar scored a thousand runs more than any batsman ever in a single calendar year and became first batsman to score a hundred in each innings of a test three times.

In Australia in 1977-78 he scored three centuries at an average of 50.Sadly inspite of his hundreds India lost 2 tsetse there by the margin of a whisker.

In Pakistan facing Imran Khan at his fastest he scored 447 runs averaging 89.80.It was a revelation witnessing Sunny battle to ressurect India from dire straits ,even if India were defeated 2-0.No batsman ever played the great Imran as clinically as Sunil.I challenge anyone to confront Imran at full throttle with as much pugnacity as Gavaskar with the odds stacked against a team who were locked down in the barrel.

Facing West Indies at home in 1978-79 Gavaskar came close to incarnating Bradman scoring 732 runs at an average of 91.50. His 205 at Bombay was close to the ultimate epitome of perfection in batting.

On the 1979 tour of England Gavaskar batted better than any overseas opening batsman ever in England ,Scoring 542 run sat an average of 77.42.In the final test at the Oval is 221 with India chasing a record 438 in the 4th innings, was arguably the best innings ever by an opening batsman or close to the most majestic innings of all time. For 8 hours or 443 deliveries he did not commit a mistake, resembling a sculptor carving a great monument .I have never seen a batsman so focussed or flawless as Gavaskar that day who took batting perfection to heights rarely reached. India was virtually ressurected from the grave to come within a whisker of reaching the pinnacle of glory. Every boundary Sunil executed that day touched the very core of the soul of fans In India hearing the radio .commentary, lifting the entire spirit or morale of the nation .Every good ball was played on merit and every bad ball dispatched for four. India was on the verge of attaining untold glory before Sunil's exit at 221,with dubious umpiring decisions robbing India of achieving a record winning 4th innings total. In a home series against Australia he scored 2 centuries averaging above 57 .Later playing against a strong Pakistan team he averaged over 52,scoring a match-winning 166 at Madras and fifties at Bangalore and Mumbai.

Gavaskar was the architect of India winning its first series agaisnt Pakistani for 28 years. Even if not as entertaining as Kapil Dev Gavaskat grinded it out for eight hours to score 166 at Madras, to win the match for India.

For the first time in his career Gavaskar faced such sensational loss of form on the tour of Australia and New Zealand in 1980-81,scoring only one 50.It was as a sight to behold witnessing Gavaskar repeatedly struggle against the likes of Lillee,Pascoe and Hadlee.Arguably a bad umpiring decision at Melbourne denied Gavaskar a century, but ironically India went on to win the test and square the series.

In 1981-82 Sunny made a welcome return to form against England averaging over 62 with a monumental 172 at Bangalore, match-winning 55 at Mumbai and match-saving unbeaten 83 at Kolkata. In England in 1982 he was unsuccessful but for classical 48 at Lords against the moving ball. It was a sight to behold witnessing Gavasakar fend off the short pitched balls of Bob Wilis bowling in full steam, scoring 48 out of a score of 111.

Facing Imran Khan at his best in Pakistan in 1982-83 Gavaskar was nit at his best as in 1978-79 but still compiled a classical unbeaten 127 at Faisalabad and elegant 83 at Lahore. He was a failure on the tour of West Indies in 1982-83 apart from a classical 90 in the 2nd ODI and unbeaten 147 at Georgetown.

In the home series v West Indies Gavaskar gave vibrations of Dr Jeyky and Mr Hyde.He looked completely out of touch at Kanpur, Mumbai and Kolkata but in Delhi,Ahmedabad and Madras he batted perhaps better than he ever did. His 121 at Delhi was scored in scintillating stlye reaching his hundred of a mere 94 balls At Ahmedabad his 90 was close to the best ever innings by an opening batsman ever on bad wicket. I simply can never forget his rattling drives and crafty pull and hook shots of Malcolm Marshall. His double century in dead rubber at Madras was concentration and technical skill personified.Gavaskar for most of the series made a virtual metamorphosis of his batting style, from defensive to an attacking batsman. He proved his prowess in attacking agression. At his best he launched a virtual blitzkrieg against Marshall, Holding and Daniel.

He failed at home against England in 1984 but in Australia in 1985-96 matched the magnitude of his earlier best performances, averaging over 100.

In his farewell series playing Pakistan at home even if he averaged under 50, Gavaskar gave touches of his mythical career. On a broken pitch he scored 96 at Bangalore where he resembled a surgeon performing an operation on patient considered incurable with success. I have never witnessed any batsman display mastery in such sublime proportions on a pitch with devils, with the ball literally turning square. Sunny dropped his hands down the bat in the manner of a sculptor meticulously carving a monument. I doubt even Don Bradman,Viv Richards or Sachin Tendulkar would have batted better than Gavaskar that day. India lost the game by 16 runs, with the exit of Sunil literally calling the curtains and sealing the hopes of an Indian win. There could have been no better illustration of the extent to which Gavaskar carried Indian cricket on its shoulders. putting curtains on a win.

Gavaskar set seal on carer with a monumental 188 in a match between an MCC XI and World XI in match commemorating the bicentenary.He was fortunate to be given a reprieve when looking plumb leg before to Malcolm Marshall before setting any runs on the board. However in that knock he simply wrote an epic taking batting technical virtuosity to its ultimate crescendo as though giving an exhibition.


HOW GREAT WAS SUNIL GAVASKAR?

Where would Gavaskar rate amongst the all-time greats? Amongst cricketers overall I would guarantee Gavaskar a place in the top 25 His rank may be debatable but his place unquestionable. Gavaskar would rank amongst the 4 best opening batsmen ever, and ten best batsman ever. Statistically with 34 centuries and 10,122 run sat an average of 51.12 he is the best opener of all time. However he did not equal the attacking, match-winning prowess of Barry Richards, the mastery of Jack Hobbs or Victor Trumper on wet or bad wickets, or technical correctness of Len Hutton. Considering the first class records of Hobbs and Barry Richards and best performances at International level, by a whisker I rate them above Gavaskar.I would declare a virtual dead heat between LenHutton and Gavaskar at third place.

Compared to all great batsman I would rank Sunny just a notch below the likes of Bradman, Hobbs,Lara, Tendulkar, Viv Richards ,Walter Hamond or Gary Sobers in test cricket who all had a more staggering strike rate more merciless than Gavaskar. I rank Gavaskar at ninth place overall in test cricket I do not put him in contention for challenging Don Bradman or Jack Hobbs for no 1 spot because of his inability to win or turn games as much those I rate ahead of him. Combining cricket overall Gavskar inspite of not such a great record would constitute my top dozen batsman.

Amongst Indian batsman I rank Sunny Gavaskar only 2nd to Tendulkar in test cricket. I rate Tendulkar marginally better because he dominated bowling to a greater extent and also dominated at the top for a longer period. Afterall Gavaskar was overshadowed by Viv Richards for a long part, while Sachin for sustained periods was at no 1 spot., contending with Brien Lara. No doubt in a 4th innings or in a crisis Gavaskar was better player than Sachin Tendulkar and also against electrifying pace bowling.

It is pertinent that Gavaskar did not average so highly in matches won when you compare with likes of Viv Richards,Greg Chappell or even Gordon Greenidge or Gundappa Vishwanath in his era. Still apart from Vishwanath Sunny had no support from the middle order, so often having to retrieve a sinking ship. Somehow I am still critical of Gavaskar often not stepping the gas or elevating the tempo of the game and just grinding it out too laboriously. I can't forget how Greenidge or Sehwag turned the face of games on countless occasion with exhilarating strokeplay. Of course with Len Hutton I rate Gavaskar as the best defensive batsman of all time. Also noteworthy that Gavaskar has three innings ranked amongst the Wisden all-time 100,while Tendulkar does not have a single one. In terms of temperament and concentration no doubt he overshadowed Tendulkar or Viv Richards.

How did Gavaskar compare with Bradman? No doubt Sunny faced much better bowling and I doubt that opening facing the same bowlers the Don would have overshadowed Sunil. However Gavaskar's batting strike rate was not in the Bradman class .Some rate Sunny on par because of his performances against West Indies. I wish to highlight that Gavaskar was prolific against the weaker West Indies bowling attacks and not so successful against the top paceman as batsman like Greg Chappell, Alan Border, Graham Gooch and Mohinder Amarnath. Gavaskar benefited to an extent by facing lesser pace bowling attacks of West Indies in 1978-79 and Australia in 1977-78 without the likes of Dennis Lillee,Michael Holding ,Andy Roberts or Joel Garner. He scored around 1200 runs and 9 centuries against the weaker attacks. Also most of his test centuries against West Indies were scored against the weaker attacks and not against the quartet of Marshall. Holding, Roberts and Marshall. In 1983-84 facing the greatest pace attack he averaged around 43 scoring a fifty or century 4 times in 21 innings. Sunny averaged around 45 against this top quartet against his overall average of 65.80 against West Indies. To me against the express pace of West Indies at his best England's Graham Gooch eclipsed Sunil. Calypso pace bowling great Andy Roberts felt Sunny was not at his best on bouncy tracks where in his view Vishwanath was the better player. Pertinent that many of his centuries came in the 2nd innings, with the venom reduced on the track.

I would have loved to have witnessed Gavaskar at his best from 1977-1979 facing the greatest West Indies pace attack which Greg Chappell did or later Alan Border and Mohinder Amarnath..Then my findings could be more conclusive. It would have also been a spectacle seeing Sunny play in WSC Packer supertests facing the likes of Lillee, Imran,Roberts and Holding

Sunny did not have inborn genius but was the ultimate master. Technically I rank Sunny on par with Hanif Mohammad and Vijay Merchant and a whisker below Barry Richards ,Len Hutton and Sachin Tendulkar For pure defence against the short ball noone was Gavaskar's equal. Very few had a more classical cover drive or shot through mid wicket.Gavaskar was not so artistic or inventive but applied grammar in accordance with circumstances as none did. No batsman was more a manifestation of mediators on the cricket field.

As a skipper he was shrewd but at times ultra-defensive. We did defeat Pakistan at home in 1979-80 and England in 1981-82 being led by Sunny and draw a rubber for the first time on Australian soil. However India also faced humiliating defeats in Pakistan in 1982-83 and series losses against England at home and away. I feel Sunny could not bind or nurture a team like Tiger Patuadi,Saurav Ganguly or Azharuddin.Still he has to his credit leading India to win the World championship of Cricket tournament in Australia in 1985 which is a remarkable achievement.

Still I have to respect the words of greats like Imran who classed Sunny as the most compact batsman ever and of Viv Richards or Gary Sobers who ranked Sunny as the best batsman of his time. Legendary allrounder Ian Botham rated Sunny the bests opening batsman of his day and so did Malcolm Marshall. Cricket experts like Cristopher Martin Jenkins and John Woodcock placed Sunny within touching distance of Bradman.Don Bradman may have been unfair in excluding Gavaskar from his all-time XI but by a whisker my first choices would still be Barry Richards and Jack Hobbs. English legend late Len Hutton described Gavaskar as the best batsman of his generation, above even Viv Richards. Pakistani batsman Saed Anwar and Javed Miandad rate Sunny the best of all Indian batsman and so do the West Indies paceman Andy Roberts and Michael Holding.To me most unfairly Dennis Lille does not rank Gavaskar amongst his very best.

A very enjoyable commentator with most insightful and balanced perspectives Applied the same discipline and application to commentating as when playing Cricket. I loved Gavaskar’s choices of Rohan Kanhai and Gundappa Vishwanath as the best batsman he ever saw, and Andy Roberts as his best fast bowler ,which respects the art or grace of cricket rather than the magnitude of statistical numbers,

Neverthless we must remember that even the greatest monuments have their flaws and the greatest of men are not Gods. That could be more relevant to Sunil Gavaskar than anyone on his 50th birthday in the glorious game of test cricket.

I don't think he is enjoyable as a commentator these days though. I feel these days he doesn't express himself more like he used to do few years ago.

Also I would like to appreciate the hard work you do in writing these long posts. Congrats. :inti
 
I don't think he is enjoyable as a commentator these days though. I feel these days he doesn't express himself more like he used to do few years ago.

Also I would like to appreciate the hard work you do in writing these long posts. Congrats. :inti

Thanks a lot for appreciation
 
Harsh Thakor is a very good poster.

Gavaskar is among top 5 greatest test openers of the game.
 
Better than Tendulkar?If so why?Equal to Viv and Lara?

On the basis of quality of bowlers Gavaskar faced during his time. Come on, the quality of fast bowlers was probably the best in history of cricket (Wi greats, Pakistan greats, Aussie and English greats).

Viv is a whole another show. The guy played like it was T20s, during those days. That shows you his class. I won't compare both him and Sunil because one was in middle order, other was in top order. Viv was definitely one of the best considered he played both formats equally good.
 
On the basis of quality of bowlers Gavaskar faced during his time. Come on, the quality of fast bowlers was probably the best in history of cricket (Wi greats, Pakistan greats, Aussie and English greats).

Viv is a whole another show. The guy played like it was T20s, during those days. That shows you his class. I won't compare both him and Sunil because one was in middle order, other was in top order. Viv was definitely one of the best considered he played both formats equally good.
Great response However was Sunny as much a match winner as Tendulkar,Lara or even Dravid?
 
I have never seen Sunny bat live in 1990s growing but always heard about him in the interviews/cricket magazines from Sachin Tendulkar.Then came cable TV in 1995-96 and there used to be Cricket Classics on Star Sports/ESPN.. they used to show old matches of 70's and 80s with highlights. Saw Gavaskar's highlights of 221 something in England. My word I was hooked. Pure technique, skill and courage from the little master. He is the GrandFather of our Indian batting. The original technician.
 
Great response However was Sunny as much a match winner as Tendulkar,Lara or even Dravid?

He did get India to the #1 ranking in Tests and away series wins in West Indies and England, so I would say he won some pretty important matches.
 
He did get India to the #1 ranking in Tests and away series wins in West Indies and England, so I would say he won some pretty important matches.

To clarify, Gavaskar got India to the #1 Test ranking back in 1973-74, way before the WSC decimated the teams of a few countries.
 
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OK.

Gavaskar was the best test match opener I ever saw. Thinkling in ATG terms, I'd put him on the level of Hobbs and Hutton.

Played one of the great chasing innings in 1979 to nearly run down 400 in England as wickets fell at the other end.

There was talk toward the end of his career that he didn't like pace any more. Certainly Norman Cowans kept him quiet on the successful Gower tour of India. He dropped down the order to get away from Marshall and Garner with the new ball, after a few failures, but then came in at 0-2 and hit 200.
 
12 greatest test openers of all-time:-

1. Jack Hobbs
2. Sunil Gavaskar
3. Barry Richards
4. Len Hutton
5. Herbert Sutcliffe
6. Graeme Smith
7. Alastair Cook/Geoffrey Boycott
8. Matthew Hayden
9. Virender Sehwag
10. Gordon Greenidge
11. Graham Gooch
12. Gary Kirsten
 
12 greatest test openers of all-time:-

1. Jack Hobbs
2. Sunil Gavaskar
3. Barry Richards
4. Len Hutton
5. Herbert Sutcliffe
6. Graeme Smith
7. Alastair Cook/Geoffrey Boycott
8. Matthew Hayden
9. Virender Sehwag
10. Gordon Greenidge
11. Graham Gooch
12. Gary Kirsten

I don't think there is any point in comparing Gavaskar who faced bowlers like Marshall, Garner, Holding, Imran, Thomson and Lillie to Jack Hobbs, who played from 1908 to 1930 and faced dibbly dobblers in comparison. If you are going by stats only and ignoring the era in which they played, do note that Gavaskar scored about twice as many runs as Hobbs.
 
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Gavaskar was the best test match opener I ever saw. Thinkling in ATG terms, I'd put him on the level of Hobbs and Hutton.

Played one of the great chasing innings in 1979 to nearly run down 400 in England as wickets fell at the other end.

There was talk toward the end of his career that he didn't like pace any more. Certainly Norman Cowans kept him quiet on the successful Gower tour of India. He dropped down the order to get away from Marshall and Garner with the new ball, after a few failures, but then came in at 0-2 and hit 200.

As for Gavaskar moving down the order, you should mention that it happened towards the end of his career. He obviously was past his prime, but it was thought that he could still contribute to the team in the middle.
 
Great response However was Sunny as much a match winner as Tendulkar,Lara or even Dravid?

Again don't want to compare cricketers from different era. However, considering both Eras, I would rank Lara hairline above Gavaskar as match winner. Then Dravid, then daylight, then Tendulkar.

Gasvaskar remains the biggest India's test match winner according to me.
 
Vaskar was the best opener from the sub continent hands down, however I believe his record against Dennis Lillee is not that great ? I could be wrong.
 
Again don't want to compare cricketers from different era. However, considering both Eras, I would rank Lara hairline above Gavaskar as match winner. Then Dravid, then daylight, then Tendulkar.

Gasvaskar remains the biggest India's test match winner according to me.

Yeah Dravid was definitely great, you just need to check his record in South Africa to see how great he was.

Don't let your jealousy for SRT make you type such senseless posts.... Fight the urge, you can do it.. :angel:
 
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Vaskar was the best opener from the sub continent hands down, however I believe his record against Dennis Lillee is not that great ? I could be wrong.

They played in just three tests together, all in Australia, as the Aussies didn’t tour India in DKL’s career.
Gavaskar averaged 19 for the series.

DKL had an excellent record again the top batters. Greenidge and Haynes monstered England home and away but Lillee made them look average. He won a number of personal tussles with Richards too.
 
Yeah Dravid was definitely great, you just need to check his record in South Africa to see how great he was.

Don't let your jealousy for SRT make you type such senseless posts.... Fight the urge, you can do it.. :angel:

Jealousy? How do u know?
I am a fan of sachin as well. His record is tremendous in test cricket. The question asked was about match winning ability according to my opinion. I read a post carefully unlike you.
 
Yeah Dravid was definitely great, you just need to check his record in South Africa to see how great he was.

Don't let your jealousy for SRT make you type such senseless posts.... Fight the urge, you can do it.. :angel:

Dravid was a better “match winner” than Tendulkar even though he scored less runs against quality bowlers.

Inzamam was a better “match winner” than Tendulkar even though he only scored 1 hundred against Australia and South Africa in his entire career.

For Pakistani fans, match-winning ability is inversely proportional to the number of runs you score.
 
I don't think there is any point in comparing Gavaskar who faced bowlers like Marshall, Garner, Holding, Imran, Thomson and Lillie to Jack Hobbs, who played from 1908 to 1930 and faced dibbly dobblers in comparison. If you are going by stats only and ignoring the era in which they played, do note that Gavaskar scored about twice as many runs as Hobbs.

Gavaskar was better than Hobbs and anyone from that dibbly dobblers era but my point is about greater batsman. Greater is not same as better. Hobbs is called as the revolutionary of test cricket.
 
Great batsman for sure but he tarnished his legacy as a cricketer when he couldn’t stand being given out by the umpire.
 
Gavaskar was better than Hobbs and anyone from that dibbly dobblers era but my point is about greater batsman. Greater is not same as better. Hobbs is called as the revolutionary of test cricket.

I think Gavaskar has a greater legacy than Hobbs. Gavaskar’s legacy is Tendulkar, Dravid, Kohli and 1.5 billion fans of cricket.

Gavaskar’s legacy, in a way, is sparking so much interest in the game in India that India now controls cricket. First by sparking interest himself, then indirectly by inspiring people like Sachin who took it to the next level. Gavaskar was the first true inspiration. Gavaskar’s legacy is IPL. Gavaskar’s legacy is transcendent.

Hobbs may have revolutionized Test cricket, but Gavaskar transformed cricket.
 
I think Gavaskar has a greater legacy than Hobbs. Gavaskar’s legacy is Tendulkar, Dravid, Kohli and 1.5 billion fans of cricket.

Gavaskar’s legacy, in a way, is sparking so much interest in the game in India that India now controls cricket. First by sparking interest himself, then indirectly by inspiring people like Sachin who took it to the next level. Gavaskar was the first true inspiration. Gavaskar’s legacy is transcendent.

Hobbs may have revolutionized Test cricket, but Gavaskar transformed cricket.

You replace Gavaskar by Imran or Kapil and same can be said about them except the 1.3 billion part of Indian fans for Imran. Imran's legacy is Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib and rest all points you mentioned counts for both.

At the end of day, it is always hard to compare two players from different era and that too the difference in their era is of 50-60 years. Quite a big difference!
 
You replace Gavaskar by Imran or Kapil and same can be said about them except the 1.3 billion part of Indian fans for Imran. Imran's legacy is Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib and rest all points you mentioned counts for both.

At the end of day, it is always hard to compare two players from different era and that too the difference in their era is of 50-60 years. Quite a big difference!

I do in fact say the same about Imran!

Regarding Kapil, to some extent, but we can both see the batting culture prevalent in India, not a culture of fast bowling or all rounders. Gavaskar, I believe, was the first big superstar who paved the way for India’s love of cricket. We already agree that Gavaskar was the superior opener, but he also had the superior legacy.

Jack Hobbs will always be remembered, but Gavaskar changed every single detail about cricket. He singlehandedly gave birth to Tendulkar, Dravid, and in turn Kohli, and did 90% of the marketing for IPL 30 years before Lalit Modi decided to come up with the idea.
 
To state Jack Hobbs' legacy is only limited to test cricket is an exaggeration, and suggests ignorance of the class divide in English cricket prior to the second world war.

Hobbs was universally admired despite being a professional in an era when the amateur gentleman was revered by the establishment, so much so that professional players had separate dressing rooms, entered the ground by separate gates, and travelled separately to the amateurs.

Hobbs' mastery of batsmanship allowed most people, including some at Lord's, to realize how grossly ludicrous the whole distinction was. It paved the path for the likes of Len Hutton, Denis Compton, Ken Barrington and many others to dedicate their lives to the game. It might not evoke any relevance to the modern world, but no less important in the wider fabric of the game and its development.
 
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Gavaskar was the best test match opener I ever saw. Thinkling in ATG terms, I'd put him on the level of Hobbs and Hutton.

Played one of the great chasing innings in 1979 to nearly run down 400 in England as wickets fell at the other end.

There was talk toward the end of his career that he didn't like pace any more. Certainly Norman Cowans kept him quiet on the successful Gower tour of India. He dropped down the order to get away from Marshall and Garner with the new ball, after a few failures, but then came in at 0-2 and hit 200.

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To state Jack Hobbs' legacy is only limited to test cricket is an exaggeration, and suggests ignorance of the class divide in English cricket prior to the second world war.

Hobbs was universally admired despite being a professional in an era when the amateur gentleman was revered by the establishment, so much so that professional players had separate dressing rooms, entered the ground by separate gates, and travelled separately to the amateurs.

Hobbs' mastery of batsmanship allowed most people, including some at Lord's, to realize how grossly ludicrous the whole distinction was. It paved the path for the likes of Len Hutton, Denis Compton, Ken Barrington and many others to dedicate their lives to the game. It might not evoke any relevance to the modern world, but no less important in the wider fabric of the game and its development.

Brilliant asessment.well done.You spoke my heart.Agreed with my analysis?
 
12 greatest test openers of all-time:-

1. Jack Hobbs
2. Sunil Gavaskar
3. Barry Richards
4. Len Hutton
5. Herbert Sutcliffe
6. Graeme Smith
7. Alastair Cook/Geoffrey Boycott
8. Matthew Hayden
9. Virender Sehwag
10. Gordon Greenidge
11. Graham Gooch
12. Gary Kirsten

Great list,Well done.How was my asessment overall ? I feel you place Gooch very low.Just asess his hundreds against the great Calypso quartet and runs in all conditions.Why is Hutton not on par with Gavaskar and Barry below?
 
On the basis of quality of bowlers Gavaskar faced during his time. Come on, the quality of fast bowlers was probably the best in history of cricket (Wi greats, Pakistan greats, Aussie and English greats).

Viv is a whole another show. The guy played like it was T20s, during those days. That shows you his class. I won't compare both him and Sunil because one was in middle order, other was in top order. Viv was definitely one of the best considered he played both formats equally good.

Would you rank Viv overall 2nd only to Bradman and better than Gavaskar?
 
Again don't want to compare cricketers from different era. However, considering both Eras, I would rank Lara hairline above Gavaskar as match winner. Then Dravid, then daylight, then Tendulkar.

Gasvaskar remains the biggest India's test match winner according to me.

How Tendulkar so low.See avergae in tests won and number of centuries.
 
To state Jack Hobbs' legacy is only limited to test cricket is an exaggeration, and suggests ignorance of the class divide in English cricket prior to the second world war.

Hobbs was universally admired despite being a professional in an era when the amateur gentleman was revered by the establishment, so much so that professional players had separate dressing rooms, entered the ground by separate gates, and travelled separately to the amateurs.

Hobbs' mastery of batsmanship allowed most people, including some at Lord's, to realize how grossly ludicrous the whole distinction was. It paved the path for the likes of Len Hutton, Denis Compton, Ken Barrington and many others to dedicate their lives to the game. It might not evoke any relevance to the modern world, but no less important in the wider fabric of the game and its development.

To me amongst top 3 batsmen ever?agree?or 5?
 
To me amongst top 3 batsmen ever?agree?or 5?

Who, Hobbs or Gavaskar?

Hobbs is a giant of the game in the same manner as Trumper and Grace, but I am definitely not qualified to make an assessment of the quality of his batting. I respect history while appreciating that great players in the past would also have arguably been great players in any different era as they would have adapted. However, it's not rational to rank past players (especially those from the amateur era) equivalent to modern players because qualitatively the game has undergone immense changes through the course of time. Don Bradman is the only exception to this general rule.

Gavaskar, I'd rank ahead of Tendulkar.
 
Would you rank Viv overall 2nd only to Bradman and better than Gavaskar?

Not sure why anyone would consider Richards greater than Gavaskar in Tests when:

1) Gavaskar scored more runs (10,122 vs. 8,540)
2) Had a higher average (51.12 vs. 50.23)
3) Was an opener, for which should add about 5 runs to the average.
4) Had to face better bowling as Richards didn't have to face the WI pace greats.
5) Had many more centuries (34 vs. 24) while playing about the same number of Tests (125 vs. 121)

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Richards was famous for his attacking play and could score at a fast rate, but in Tests it is important for the opener to wear out the bowlers like Gavaskar did.

No doubt Richards was a much better ODI player than Gavaskar who was from an era when ODIs were starting out, and who never really took to that format.
 
How Tendulkar so low.See avergae in tests won and number of centuries.

Thing about Sachin is, eventhough I am a fan, I am convinced he never clicked when it mattered the most. Ganguly, Dravid and Laxman were bigger match winners. Averages isn't everything.
 
Would you rank Viv overall 2nd only to Bradman and better than Gavaskar?

Viv maybe greatest ever I think because he was great in both formats (ODIs and Tests). Though there were no ODIs in Bradman's time so again, different generation.
 
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