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Justice Jamal Khan Mandokhel on Thursday said that even though National Assembly Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri announced the April 3 ruling which dismissed the no-confidence motion against Prime Minister Imran Khan, it was signed by Speaker Asad Qaiser.

He made the observation as Suri and Qaiser's lawyer, Naeem Bukhari, presented his arguments in the suo motu case concerning the legality of the deputy speaker's ruling.

A a five-member bench, headed by Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP) Umar Ata Bandial and comprising Justice Ijazul Ahsan, Justice Justice Mazhar Alam Miankhel, Justice Munib Akhtar and Justice Jamal Khan Mandokhel took up the case around 9:30am.

Bukhari began his arguments by stating that he would focus on whether a point of order could be discussed at any time. He argued that the apex court had refrained from interfering in parliamentary proceedings in the past and asked whether the court would have taken notice if the speaker had dismissed Fawad Chaudhry's point of order.


"When assemblies were dissolved in the past, the election process was not stopped even though it was declared unconstitutional," he said, asserting that the speaker could reject the no-trust move on a point of order. "This has never happened before but the speaker has the power [to do so]."

He said that the former minister had requested a point of order as soon as the session had began. "The point of order couldn't have been taken up had voting on the no-confidence motion started," he said.

Justice Mandokhel asked which law stated that the speaker had the power to dismiss the no-confidence motion. "We want to understand the definition of a point of order," he said.

"The question is whether a new point of order can be taken up once the no-confidence motion is introduced," the CJP said. Justice Akhtar also asked if the point of order was included in the day's agenda.

However, Bukhari replied that a point of order could be raised at any time.

"Voting on the no-confidence motion is a constitutional requirement," Justice Mandokhail pointed out. Can the rules be used to invalidate the constitutional right to vote, he wondered.

"Shouldn't the opposition have been given a chance to [respond] to the point of order?" the CJP further asked, to which the lawyer replied that there could be no discussion on it.

Bukhari also presented the minutes of the Parliamentary Committee on National Security, during which contents of the ‘threat letter’ were shared with parliamentarians.

Talking about the briefing given to the committee, Bukhari said that the NA body was told that there would be consequences if the no-trust motion failed.

At this, the CJP pointed out that the record showed 11 individuals participated in the meeting and noted that the names of those who gave the briefing were not included in the minutes.

Justice Mandokhel also pointed out that the ruling was announced by the deputy speaker but carried the signature of the speaker.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1683857/n...have-his-signature-observes-justice-mandokhel
 
Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP) Umar Ata Bandial on Thursday said that it was clear that the April 3 ruling of National Assembly Deputy Speaker Qasim Khan Suri, which dismissed the no-confidence motion against Prime Minister Imran Khan, was erroneous.

"The real question at hand is what happens next," he said, adding that now the PML-N counsel and the attorney general would guide the court on how to proceed.

"We have to look at national interest," he said, adding that the court would issue a verdict today.

He made the remarks as a five-member bench, headed by CJP Bandial and comprising Justice Ijazul Ahsan, Justice Mazhar Alam Miankhel, Justice Munib Akhtar and Justice Mandokhel resumed hearing the suo motu case concerning the legality of the deputy speaker's ruling and the subsequent dissolution of the NA by the president on the PM's advice.

'Ruling had NA speaker's signature'
During the hearing, Justice Mandokhel said that even though Suri announced the April 3 ruling which dismissed the no-confidence motion against Prime Minister Imran Khan, it was signed by Speaker Asad Qaiser.

He made the observation as Suri and Qaiser's lawyer, Naeem Bukhari, presented his arguments.

Responding to the judge's statement, Bukhari replied that perhaps the documents given to him might not be "original".

Justice Mandokhel also pointed out that the minutes of the parliamentary committee meeting, which were submitted to court by Bukhari, didn't prove if the deputy speaker was present.

Continuing, Justice Mandokhel asked whether the foreign minister was present during the parliamentary committee meeting, noting that his signature was not included in the record.

"Shouldn't the foreign minister have been present?" the judge asked, which prompted the lawyer to admit the minister should have been present.

At this, Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP) Umar Ata Bandial pointed out that the national security adviser at the time, Moeed Yusuf's name was also not included in the record.

These remarks came as a five-member bench, headed by CJP Bandial and comprising Justice Ijazul Ahsan, Justice Mazhar Alam Miankhel, Justice Munib Akhtar and Justice Mandokhel resumed hearing the case at 9:30am today.

Bukhari began his arguments by stating that he would focus on whether a point of order could be discussed at any time. He argued that the apex court had refrained from interfering in parliamentary proceedings in the past and asked whether the court would have taken notice if the speaker had dismissed Fawad Chaudhry's point of order.

"When assemblies were dissolved in the past, the election process was not stopped even though it was declared unconstitutional," he said, asserting that the speaker could reject the no-trust move on a point of order. "This has never happened before but the speaker has the power [to do so]."

He said that the former minister had requested a point of order as soon as the session had began. "The point of order couldn't have been taken up had voting on the no-confidence motion started," he said.

Justice Mandokhel asked which law stated that the speaker had the power to dismiss the no-confidence motion. "We want to understand the definition of a point of order," he said.

"The question is whether a new point of order can be taken up once the no-confidence motion is introduced," the CJP said. Justice Akhtar also asked if the point of order was included in the day's agenda.

However, Bukhari replied that a point of order could be raised at any time.

"Voting on the no-confidence motion is a constitutional requirement," Justice Mandokhail pointed out. Can the rules be used to invalidate the constitutional right to vote, he wondered.

"Shouldn't the opposition have been given a chance to [respond] to the point of order?" the CJP further asked, to which the lawyer replied that it could not be debated.

Bukhari also presented the minutes of the Parliamentary Committee on National Security, during which contents of the ‘threat letter’ were shared with parliamentarians.

Talking about the briefing given to the committee, Bukhari said that the NA body was told that there would be consequences if the no-trust motion failed.

'Where is constitutional crisis?'
During today's hearing, Senator Ali Zafar, the president's counsel, was asked by Justice Miankhel if the prime minister was the people's representative. The lawyer replied in the affirmative.

Justice Miankhel then inquired if the premier would be protected if the Constitution was violated in parliament. "Is Parliament not the guardian of the Constitution?" he asked. He also questioned how justice would be awarded in case someone is affected due to parliamentary proceedings.

At this, Zafar replied that the Constitution must be protected in accordance with the rules it underlines. He said that in order to protect the Constitution, each and every article had to be kept in mind.

Justice Bandial then asked what would happen when an injustice was carried out against the entire assembly, not just one member.

"Can Parliament interfere if there's a conflict between judges," Zafar offered as a counter argument. "The answer is no. The judiciary has to settle the matter. It can't interfere just like Parliament can't [interfere in judges' matters]."

The CJP also asked whether the formation of the federal government was an "internal matter" of Parliament.

Zafar said that the no-confidence motion and the prime minister's election fell within the ambit of Parliament. He said that the National Assembly is formed for the purpose of appointing a speaker and a prime minister.

He also referred to former PM Mohammad Khan Junejo's case, who was dismissed by ex-president Gen Ziaul Haq. "Junejo's government was dissolved and the court declared it unconstitutional," Zafar pointed out, adding that the court did not interfere in actions taken after the dissolution of the assembly.

However, Justice Miankhel said that the matter at present concerned the no-confidence motion. "A ruling came after the motion. Address this issue," he told Zafar. CJP Bandial also said that the verdict he was referring to was related to the oath. "Here the matter is about the ruling, not the oath. We have to draw a line somewhere."

However, Zafar argued that in this case too elections were announced after dissolving the assembly.

At one point, the CJP asked Zafar why he wasn't explaining whether or not there was a constitutional crisis in the country. "If everything is happening according to the Constitution, where is the crisis?" he asked.

Zafar replied that he was also saying the same and there was no constitutional crisis in the country.

The CJP also observed that there seemed to be a violation of Article 95. He noted that holding elections cost the nation "billions of rupees".

However, Zafar argued that the announcement of the election showed there was no malice behind the government's move.

Justice Mandokhel questioned whether the prime minister could still advise the president to dissolve the assembly if a majority of the members were opposed to it.

Justice Ahsan noted that the PTI still held the majority despite the recent defections. "But what if the majority party is ousted from the system?" he wondered.

Zafar replied that the president's counsel couldn't comment on political matters and ended his arguments.

'NA proceedings beyond judiciary's jurisdiction'
The lawyer for interim Prime Minister Imran Khan, Imtiaz Siddiqui, began by pointing out that the judiciary had not interfered in parliamentary proceedings in the past.

"The matter at hand concerns NA proceedings. [But] NA proceedings lie beyond the judiciary's jurisdiction," he argued, urging the court to tell parliament to settle its own matters. He said that the opposition had not objected to the deputy speaker chairing the session.

"The deputy speaker made a decision according to what he thought was best," Siddiqui contended, adding that the deputy speaker wasn't accountable to the court for the ruling he gave. He reiterated that under Article 69, the apex court could not interfere in parliamentary proceedings.

Justice Akhtar noted that verdicts referenced concerned observations made by the courts. "The court is not bound by the observations given in the verdicts," he said.

Here, Siddiqui stated that the deputy speaker had relied on the assessment of the National Security Committee (NSC), adding that no one could influence the top forum.

This led the CJP to ask when the minutes of NSC meeting were presented before the deputy speaker. Siddiqui said that he unaware about matters concerning the deputy speaker, which prompted the court to tell the lawyer to refrain from talking about things he was unaware of.

"According to you, the deputy speaker was in possession of material on the basis of which he delivered his ruling," Justice Bandial observed, asking what would be the consequences of the premier violating Article 58.

He also observed that Suri had not objected to voting on March 28 but had passed the ruling on April 3. "Why did the deputy speaker not dismiss the no-trust motion on March 28?"

Justice Ahsan remarked that if the assembly was not dissolved, the house could have suspended the deputy speaker's ruling. "The prime minister took advantage of the situation and dissolved the assembly," he said.

However, Siddiqui argued that if the aim was to harm the Constitution, the deputy speaker could have suspended the membership of the dissident lawmakers. "The prime minister did not show any malice," he contended.

"You're saying that the prime minister made a plan," the chief justice said, again asking why the ruling was not issued on March 28 instead.

Siddiqui replied that no plan was hatched to dismiss the no-trust motion. "We dissolved our government ourselves," he said. He went on to quote the prime minister as saying that he would never have ended his government if there was any malice behind his actions.

He added that according to Imran, billions were spent on holdings elections and he was going to the nation against those who had ruled the country for many years.

Situation in Punjab
At the outset of the hearing, Punjab Advocate General Ahmed Awais brought the court's attention to the mock Punjab Assembly session held by the opposition on Wednesday where PML-N's Hamza Shehbaz was declared the new chief minister of the province.

He said that former Punjab governor Chaudhry Sarwar would administer the oath to Hamza at a ceremony at Bagh-i-Jinnah, adding that the PML-N leader had also called a meeting a bureaucrats for today. He contended that the Constitution was a "trivial matter" for the PML-N.

However, the CJP asserted that the apex court would not give any orders regarding the situation in Punjab and advised the counsel to take the matter to the high court.

Meanwhile, Justice Miankhel noted that the doors of the Punjab Assembly were sealed on Tuesday and wondered if this was allowed. However, the CJP reiterated that the court would not divert attention from the case at hand.

'No-trust resolution had constitutional backing'
During yesterday's hearing, PTI’s lawyer Babar Awan as well as Senator Ali Zafar, representing President Dr Arif Alvi, had argued before the Supreme Court. Today, the court is expected to hear the arguments of Attorney General for Pakistan (AGP) Khalid Jawed Khan and Naeem Bukhari — the counsel for NA Speaker Asad Qaiser.

Justice Bandial on Wednesday observed that even though Article 69 of the Constitution bars interference in parliamentary proceedings, what happened on April 3 was unprecedented.

“The no-confidence resolution which had a constitutional backing and liable to be succeeded was scuttled at the last minute,” the CJP regretted, adding that if “we permit such a deviation” then it would amount to what Advocate Salahuddin Ahmed had referred to on Tuesday.

Representing the Sindh High Court Bar Association, Advocate Ahmed had cited a 1933 incident when the speaker of the then German assembly, while branding members of the Communist Party as traitors, allowed voting on a constitutional amendment that vested Adolf Hitler and his cabinet with unlimited powers to bring any law without a formal approval of German parliament. That development led Germany's descent into fascism, the lawyer had recalled.

During the hearing, PML-N Senator Azam Nazir Tarar drew the court’s attention to the precarious situation in Punjab where the provincial assembly secretariat was sealed despite the calling of the session by the deputy speaker. Advocate Imtiaz Siddiqui, who represents the interim prime minister, however, declared the notification as fake.

At this, CJP Bandial said if the system was not functioning then the constitutional functionaries had the authority to assemble anywhere, even at Bagh-i-Jinnah, to hold the session, instead of the assembly hall. He observed that the court didn’t want to get distracted by the situation in Punjab, adding that if “you people are at loggerheads with each other then go to the political sovereign”.

They should learn from the conduct of the National Assembly members who come to the court daily without making any noise and stand here with grace and dignity, the CJP said, adding that the provincial assembly members should find their own solution.

Justice Bandial observed that though the NA deputy speaker’s ruling, according to the lawyer, might be flawed, it was protected under Article 69 of the Constitution. Eventually, the ruling later led to dissolution of the National Assembly for fresh elections.

“Where is the malice if this development is not anti-democratic,” the CJP wondered, but then said there was an element of trickery and if the members had any grouse then why were they afraid of fresh elections?

Justice Mandokhel observed that when political parties believed that floor crossing was malice and all the political parties had suffered in the past, then they must discover the weaknesses which encouraged members to change loyalties and should find a solution by concentrating on institution building.

He said the court would decide the present case in the interest of the country that would be binding upon all. He wondered why the entire assembly was thrown out instead of inquiring about the conduct of those who connived with a foreign state to dislodge the government.

Justice Akhtar recalled that the UK Supreme Court had ruled the other day that it was the court which would determine the privileges of members of parliament.

Senator Ali Zafar argued that the law of parliamentary privileges had been developed in the context of the principle of trichotomy of powers, under which parliament had certain privileges — the fundamental and foremost privileges are that parliament is the sole and exclusive judge and master of its own proceedings and business and no decisions or rulings made while conducting parliamentary proceedings or business were justiciable.

The president’s counsel cited a recent speech of Justice Maqbool Baqar who emphasised the delicate balance between institutions through mutual balance like honeycomb. He said it was also part of parliamentary privileges that no officer, including the deputy speaker, was subject to jurisdiction of courts in respect of parliamentary privileges or proceedings.

The law on parliamentary privileges is the same as that of the UK House of Commons.

“It is only if a proceeding is outside the scope of proceedings in parliament that the court can examine,” Zafar argued, adding that the Supreme Court could look into the subsequent development of the dissolution of the National Assembly on the advice of the prime minister but not the ruling of the deputy speaker.

“The vote of confidence is clearly a matter of proceedings in the National Assembly and any ruling passed by the speaker or deputy speaker in respect thereof or during the same is not justiciable,” he said.

“In view of the constitutional crisis, the best and the only solution lies with the ultimate sovereign i.e. the people of Pakistan,” he argued, adding that the only remedy available was election.

“Since the appeal has been made to the people of Pakistan and elections are to take place in 90 days, as per the established practice and prudence established by the courts, it should not be interfered at this stage and let the people decide.

“The dissolution of the assemblies is an independent act undertaken by the president under Article 48(5), read with Article 58. At the time, no resolution of no confidence was pending against the prime minister and, hence, the dissolution cannot be questioned under Article 48(4),” the counsel emphasised.

Zafar pointed out that when the elections of the Senate chairman was challenged in the Islamabad High Court, it had ruled that the constitutional elections in parliament were protected [from judicial intervention] as well.

He said the court could only review the speaker's ruling on the no-confidence motion if it decided to not consider it a parliamentary proceeding.

"What if the votes are not enough but the speaker announces that the no-confidence motion has succeeded?" Justice Mandokhail asked. "What will happen then?

"These may be parliamentary issues but the court cannot monitor the parliament." The lawyer contended that the parliament should be given a chance to solve its issues itself.

The CJP observed that Zafar's argument that the speaker's ruling was protected even if it was wrong was interesting. "After the ruling, the NA was dissolved and fresh elections were announced," the CJP noted, adding that "it was decided to go to the public."

The CJP said that the lawyers of PML-N would be asked what the issue was in going to the public. Justice Ahsan then asked how someone's rights were affected by going into elections. At this point, the CJP reiterated that the case concerned the violation of Article 95 of the Constitution.

"The SC can intervene wherever the Constitution is breached," Justice Bandial said, but added that "we respect the sanctity of parliament."

Suo motu notice
On Sunday, CJP Bandial had taken suo motu notice of the situation after the deputy speaker's dismissal of the no-confidence motion against the premier, clubbing multiple petitions filed by various parties with it.

After a brief hearing, a written order was issued which said the court would like to "examine whether such an action (dismissal of the no-trust motion on the basis of Article 5) is protected by the ouster (removal from the court's jurisdiction) contained in Article 69 of the Constitution."

Article 69 of the Constitution essentially restricts the court's jurisdiction to exercise authority on a member or officer of parliament with respect to the functions of regulating parliamentary proceedings or conducting business.

"No officer or member of Majlis-i-Shoora (parliament) in whom powers are vested by or under the Constitution for regulating procedure or the conduct of business, or for maintaining order in Majlis-i-Shoora, shall be subject to the jurisdiction of any court in respect of the exercise by him of those powers," clause two of the Article reads.

The court had also ordered all state functionaries and authorities — as well as political parties — to refrain from taking any advantage of the current situation and stay strictly within the confines of the Constitution.

Dismissal of no-trust motion
The weeks-long political turmoil in the country reached its climax on April 3 after the NA Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri prorogued a much-awaited session of the lower house of parliament without allowing voting on a no-trust motion against PM Imran.

Suri, who was chairing the session, dismissed the motion in a shock move, terming it against Article 5 of the Constitution.

At the outset of the session, PTI's Fawad Chaudhry took the floor and referred to the clause, reiterating the premier's earlier claims that a foreign conspiracy was behind the move to oust the government.

"On March 7, our official ambassador was invited to a meeting attended by the representatives of other countries. The meeting was told that a motion against PM Imran was being presented," he said, noting that this occurred a day before the opposition formally filed the no-trust move.

"We were told that relations with Pakistan were dependent on the success of the no-confidence motion. We were told that if the motion fails, then Pakistan's path would be very difficult. This is an operation for a regime change by a foreign government," he alleged.

The minister questioned how this could be allowed and called on the deputy speaker to decide the constitutionality of the no-trust move.

At that, Suri noted that the motion, which was presented on March 8, should be in accordance with the law and the Constitution. "No foreign power shall be allowed to topple an elected government through a conspiracy," he said, adding that the points raised by the minister were "valid".

He dismissed the motion, ruling that it was "contradictory" to the law, the Constitution and the rules.

Dissolution of NA
Within minutes after the NA sitting, PM Imran, in an address to the nation, said he had advised the president to "dissolve assemblies".

He also congratulated the nation for the no-trust motion being dismissed, saying the deputy speaker had "rejected the attempt of changing the regime [and] the foreign conspiracy".

The premier further said he had written to the president with advice to dissolve the assemblies, adding that the democrats should go to the public and elections should be held so the people could decide who they wanted in power.

"Prepare for elections. No corrupt forces will decide what the future of the country will be. When the assemblies will be dissolved, the procedure for the next elections and the caretaker government will begin," he added.

Subsequently, President Alvi dissolved the NA under Article 58 of the Constitution.

Later in the evening, the Cabinet Division issued a notification, declaring that Imran Khan ceased to hold the prime minister’s office with immediate effect. “Consequent upon dissolution of the National Assembly by the president of Pakistan, in terms of Article 58(1) read with Article 48(1) of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan… Mr Imran Ahmad Khan Niazi ceases to hold the office of prime minister of Pakistan, with immediate effect,” it read.

However, later, the president issued a notification allowing him to continue as the prime minister.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1683857/clear-that-deputy-speakers-ruling-is-erroneous-cjp-bandial
 
Interesting developments. This was base case scenario I suppose. Speaker had no basis for his actions.
 
If the Supreme Court rules against the government can the government still resign front their seats and hold a fresh election?
 
Former Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said on Thursday that the National Assembly speaker has the power of giving a ruling and it was absolute.

The former minister’s remarks came while talking to the media in the Supreme Court where a hearing regarding Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri’s April 3 ruling was underway by a five-member bench headed by Chief Justice Umar Ata Bandial.

“Important point is the ruling of the deputy speaker,” Qureshi said. “Article 69 is clear which says to keep the affairs of the Parliament in the Parliament. Every state institution has its own responsibility. The joint opposition says the deputy speaker violated the Constitution which is their opinion but, our opinion is different from theirs.”

The former minister added that the deputy speaker did not violate the Constitution and Article 69 of the Constitution protects the ruling of the NA speaker.

“We have taken the oath of the Constitution. We must abide by it. Going beyond that is neither our policy nor our thinking,” he said.

He said that there was a communique, in which our position was of ‘external interference in Pakistan's political system to change the government’. This issue was discussed in the National Security Committee, Qureshi added.

“An immediate demarche was sent from the Foreign Office regarding the communique,” he said. “If the opposition had any doubts about this then they would have come to the National Security meeting to raise their point.”

He said that the NA deputy speaker had ruled that this was a new situation and it could not be allowed. ‘One way is to investigate it,” he added.

Qureshi added that there was a clear threat of [diplomatic] isolation if the Imran Khan government remained in power.

“The Judicial Commission can know the facts. I, as the foreign minister, say that demarcation is made,” the PTI vice-chair said.

Furthermore, Qureshi added that the opposition was confused and they were pushing the country into a constitutional crisis to achieve their goals.

“For three and a half years, they have been chanting that the country needs new elections. PPP completed 5 years, PML-N completed 5 years but they did not allow us to complete our term. This is a very serious situation. We are waiting for the decision of the judiciary. The only solution is a fresh mandate. The people have to decide in whose hands the reins of the country should be given,” he said.

In response to the journalist's question about whether 200 public representatives were traitors, Qureshi said that it would have to be investigated.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2351389/na-speakers-ruling-is-absolute-qureshi
 
Where are those keyboard pti warriors here who kept showing article 69 and trying to act as constitution experts :)).

Gonna be fun wtaching pti fans say they dont accept supreme court verdict......
 
The Supreme Court reserved its verdict on a suo motu case concerning the legality of the deputy speaker's ruling and the subsequent dissolution of the NA by the president on the PM's advice.

The verdict will be announced at 7:30pm in the evening. In anticipation of the verdict, security has been beefed up at the SC premises with television footage showing riot police deployed outside the apex court.

A five-member bench headed by CJP Bandial and comprising Justice Ijazul Ahsan, Justice Mazhar Alam Miankhel, Justice Munib Akhtar and Justice Mandokhel heard the case.
 
Where are those keyboard pti warriors here who kept showing article 69 and trying to act as constitution experts :)).

Gonna be fun wtaching pti fans say they dont accept supreme court verdict......

PTI's attorney general refused to defend their own deputy speaker's ruling.
 
Where are those keyboard pti warriors here who kept showing article 69 and trying to act as constitution experts :)).

Gonna be fun wtaching pti fans say they dont accept supreme court verdict......

We will accept this( although they have no right under previous rulings) but whats going to happen when they say that the election is the way out. Who are you guys going to threaten?
 
ECP stating elections cannot be held under 6 months! Clearly wants their pay masters enough time to manipulate .
 
At this point, it is really hard for me to tell any difference/benefits to either side to either of the scenarios.

I mean, when the speaker threw out the NCM and then IK still dissolved the assembly, you knew this is a stand-off that only an election can resolve. I guess the only reason IK dissolved the assembly was so PDM cannot form an interim government and get all their NAB cases against their people dismissed during the 1.5 years or however long it takes to conduct an election.

EITHER WAY AN ELECTION IS THE ONLY WAY TO DECIDE! Now in the meantime, if PDM does form the interim government and does exactly what IK warned us about (getting their cases dismissed) then it means he was right and PDM did start the NCM with a personal agenda, nothing to do with the benefit or the greater good of the country.

That is the only issue of consequence left now. The rest the elections will take care of.
 
If the Supreme Court rules against the government can the government still resign front their seats and hold a fresh election?

an election is the only outcome in any of the scenarios. I think we are resigned to it. Everything else is nothing but noise
 
My pridiction is it will go against the gov. but SC will still ask for fresh elections to be held, asap.

Anyway IK still has the option of mass resignations from NA, so we will be back to sqaure one.
 
My pridiction is it will go against the gov. but SC will still ask for fresh elections to be held, asap.

Anyway IK still has the option of mass resignations from NA, so we will be back to sqaure one.

agree with that.
Or they might say ruling was wrong but go for new elections.
 
ISLAMABAD: The Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) informed President Arif Alvi on Thursday that it cannot hold the next general elections within three months and suggested that the process be held in October as the delimitation of constituencies was not completed.

In a letter, the ECP informed President Alvi that it is entrusted with holding elections “honestly, justly and fairly”.

The body also informed the president that the “delimitation of constituencies is one of the foundational steps towards election”.

“According to Article 51(5) of the Constitution and Section 17 of Elections Act, 2017, delimitation of constituencies is conducted on the basis of population in accordance with the last census officially published,” said the ECP.

The body said that the “provisional results of 6th national census 2017” were published on January 3, 2018, and it was authorised to carry out “delimitation of national and provincial assemblies” on the provisional results “one-time” via the amendment made under Article 51(5) of the Constitution.

The ECP stated that the final publication of the official results of the census was a “constitutional requirement for delimitation of constituencies” for the next general elections.

The president was also informed that the ECP had taken up the matter with the Imran Khan-led government multiple times via letters to the Ministry of Law and Justice, Ministry of Parliamentary Affairs, Pakistan Bureau of Statistics, and secretaries of the Senate and National Assembly since 2020.

The ECP further explained that under the 25th amendment, seats allocated to the former federally-administrated tribal areas were merged with Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

“12 seats allocated to FATA were abolished and six seats were allocated to KP on the basis of population. Resultantly, the number of seats in the National Assembly was reduced to 266 from 272. For this reason, fresh delimitation was not possible due to the non-publication of official census results by the Pakistan Bureau of Statistics,” said the ECP.

The ECP said that the Council of Common Interests published the sixth census results after which it started the delimitation process and “approved timelines for delimitation of constituencies for national and provincial assemblies”.

The ECP said that it had to halt the process after the government had announced holding a fresh digital census.

“Subsequently, letters dated 30-09-2021 and 21-01-2022 (Annexures C-I-C-H) were written to the Ministry of Parliamentary Affairs for finalisation and publication of fresh digital census results by the end of the year 2022 so that the process of delimitation could be initiated and completed well within time as the digital census was planned to be completed by March 2023. However, the election commission did not receive any response from the concerned ministry, thereby further delaying the process of delimitation,” said the ECP.

The electoral body reminded President Alivi that it was “not the sole authority to make decisions with regards to the conduct of elections," adding that it “remains dependent” on the federal and provincial governments.

“…for the required feedback in case of any inaction or delay on the part of any government to perform its duties and to assist the commission, the delay in the conduct of delimitation cannot be attributed to the commission by any stretch of the imagination," said the ECP.

“The Election Commission though fully committed to holding elections, would however require at least four additional months to complete the exercise of delimitation. Elections could safely be held honestly justly fairly as ordained in Article 18(3) of the constitution in October 2022,” said the ECP.

To further deliberate the issue, the ECP has also requested President Alvi to hold a meeting.

Fawad asks ECP to review its decision

Reacting to the letter, PTI leader and former information minister Fawad Chaudhry appealed to the ECP to review the decision since it "violates the Constitution."

“ECP should review its decision. Trying to hold elections after 90 days would be a serious violation of the Constitution,” said Fawad.

The former information minister stated that the economy cannot stand “seven months of political chaos”, adding that Pakistan “cannot be allowed to become Sri Lanka”.

“Elections are required within 90 days for bringing political stability to the country at the earliest,” the ex-minister said.

‘Article 254 allows holding polls in 7 months instead of 90 days’

Former ECP secretary Kunwar Dilshad said that Article 254 allows holding elections in seven months instead of 90 days.

Dilshad said that the ECP had written 20 letters to the government but it got no response.

“If elections are held in the National Assembly, then what will be the jurisdiction of the interim government?” asked Dilshad. He added that if the Supreme Court restores the assembly to its April 3 position, then elections will be held on time.

“It is better if the elections and electoral reforms are held on time,” said Dilshad.

CCI approves official release of Census-2017 data

In April 2021, the federal government approved the official release of the Census-2017 results which had been withheld for the last couple of years, Federal Minister for Planning, Development, and Special Initiatives Asad Umar had confirmed back then.

The decision was taken during a virtual meeting of the Council of Common Interests (CCI) — a body that resolves the disputes of power-sharing between the federation and provinces — with Prime Minister Imran Khan in the chair.

Following the meeting, minister Asad Umar held a press conference and said the majority of the provinces have agreed to accept the results of Census 2017 and officially publish them.

"Since elections are held on the basis of the census, we will begin preparations for the next census in September or October this year," Asad Umar said, adding that work on the basic structure of carrying out the census will be completed within six to eight weeks.

"We will complete the new census by March 23," Asad Umar announced. "The government will also form constituencies on the basis of the new census data before the general elections of 2023."

He added that for the upcoming census — which will take 18 months to complete — the government will use technology as well as the principles related to the census laid out by the United Nations.

Pakistan's first-ever digitised population census to be completed in August 2022
However, in August 2022, Umar announced that Pakistan's first-ever digitised population census will be completed over a 30-day period in August 2022 on an "as is, where is" basis and without the requirement of having computerised National Identity Cards (CNICs).

He said this during the inauguration of the National Census Coordination Center (N3C).

The Ministry of Information Technology and the National Telecommunications Center would keep data safe from hackers, and it would not be done over the internet. The process will be monitored through geo-fencing and GIS mapping, Asad Umar said while briefing reporters on the occasion of inaugurating N3C at the Pakistan Bureau of Statistics (PBS) on Tuesday.

Everyone will be counted based on where they have lived in the last six months. To a question about the complexities of the census due to interprovincial movements, particularly in Karachi, Umar said people will be counted on the basis of their existing location in the last six months.

GEO
 
I have a feeling that the whole NVM episode has provided a great chance for the establishment to sideline Imran Khan forever.

Despite Imran’s massive popularity, he will never be allowed to become the PM again. In fact, I have a feeling that the PTI would not be allowed to win more than 10 seats next election. This is the end of Khan’s politics. Let’s see what happens
 
This is a complete waste of time.

No matter what happens we are having fresh elections anyway. Lets get on with it, shall we.
 
IK has united all the parties against him. Even TLP is speaking against IK now. The media is against him, and so is the establishment. IK warned us this would happen, that all the thieves would join forces. Most likely the judiciary will rule against him as well.
 
I have a feeling that the whole NVM episode has provided a great chance for the establishment to sideline Imran Khan forever.

Despite Imran’s massive popularity, he will never be allowed to become the PM again. In fact, I have a feeling that the PTI would not be allowed to win more than 10 seats next election. This is the end of Khan’s politics. Let’s see what happens

Much i dont like IK’s policies, he deserves an chance to form the government if he has the mandate of the people. Pity though that democracy can exist in Pakistan only till the military favors it.
 
This is a complete waste of time.

No matter what happens we are having fresh elections anyway. Lets get on with it, shall we.

The opposition wants to take the right from overseas Pakistanis to vote, and get rid of electronic voting. That's why they are against elections right away.

Its one thing if Pakistanis in the west who are dual citizens don't get to vote. However its outrageous that Pakistanis who live in the Middle East, who have only Pakistani citizenship, who must go back to Pakistan eventually are going to get disenfranchised.
 
Key question is will the opposition have the ability repel electronic voting and overseas voting legislation.
 
It was clearly unconstitutional to declare the no confidence motion invalid on flimsy grounds.

The court should ask the government to hold the trust vote again. If they lose then they have lost the confidence of the house and the opposition should get a chance to try and form a government. Fresh elections only happen when there is no coalition that can command a majority.

This is basic parliamentary democracy. As much as politics is now personality driven, Pakistan doesnt have an executive presidency or a personal mandate for the leader. He is only the leader till he enjoys the support of a majority of legislators
 
Its their job to be ready for elections. The chief Commissioner should be sacked

Nope.

There job is to follow schdule.

Voter list have to be made and updated, than 26th amendment means kpk voter being updated eith the fata people.

Issue goes to to court and court takes time
 
IK has united all the parties against him. Even TLP is speaking against IK now. The media is against him, and so is the establishment. IK warned us this would happen, that all the thieves would join forces. Most likely the judiciary will rule against him as well.

Usually everybody gets United against the best or worst.
 
Nope.

There job is to follow schdule.

Voter list have to be made and updated, than 26th amendment means kpk voter being updated eith the fata people.

Issue goes to to court and court takes time

3 months. If they can't they have failed. It's their job
 
"PM Imran Khan has held an important meeting with his legal team ahead of the Supreme Court verdict today and said that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) will accept the verdict whatever it would be": ANI quoting ARY News
 
"PM Imran Khan has held an important meeting with his legal team ahead of the Supreme Court verdict today and said that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) will accept the verdict whatever it would be": ANI quoting ARY News

He should wait for the verdict before saying that.
 
Nope.

There job is to follow schdule.

Voter list have to be made and updated, than 26th amendment means kpk voter being updated eith the fata people.

Issue goes to to court and court takes time

List was updated in May, 2021. Bring some other excuse, thanks.
 
I have a feeling that the whole NVM episode has provided a great chance for the establishment to sideline Imran Khan forever.

Despite Imran’s massive popularity, he will never be allowed to become the PM again. In fact, I have a feeling that the PTI would not be allowed to win more than 10 seats next election. This is the end of Khan’s politics. Let’s see what happens

Very weird assumptions bud.
 
According to Constitution, must be held in 90 days. And there is no excuse, Voter lists were already updated last year May.

Yep, but the croocks want to make sure oversees voters will be disqualified, also they want rid of the electoral voting system.
 
ECP stating elections cannot be held under 6 months! Clearly wants their pay masters enough time to manipulate .

I read it differently.

I think Khan will be vindicated by the SC, a pro pti caretaker will be appointed. Now he has 6 months to hold the elections and the state can perhaps continue to pursue Shabaz etc.
 
This will also have massive ramifications in Punjab. If Imran is vindicated then PTI can steengthen their grip on Punjab and Pervez Elahi has time to whip people into line.
 
Appoint a caretaker govt for 6 months if necessary but keep the PDM away from leadership
 
I read it differently.

I think Khan will be vindicated by the SC, a pro pti caretaker will be appointed. Now he has 6 months to hold the elections and the state can perhaps continue to pursue Shabaz etc.

Hope that's the case. Imran has already stated he will agree with whatever the judgment, maybe there could be a hint in there.
 
I read it differently.

I think Khan will be vindicated by the SC, a pro pti caretaker will be appointed. Now he has 6 months to hold the elections and the state can perhaps continue to pursue Shabaz etc.

The caretaker is someone who both the PM and the Leader of the Opposition agree upon. So he/she will be neutral.
 
The caretaker is someone who both the PM and the Leader of the Opposition agree upon. So he/she will be neutral.

Opposition won't come to the table imo.


If it is a pro imran verdict they will cry and wont aknowledge the verdict. Will give Imran free reign to choose.
 
3 months. If they can't they have failed. It's their job

There would be court cases in this and would require to appear in court twice which wouls take the intial process to three months...

It can take 4-6 months, issue is can care taker govt exist for 90+ days
 
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Ecp requested 7 months time to supreme court
 
They have to be ready to hold elections within 90 days, if they aren't they need to be sacked. They are the election commission not the mafias B team
 
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There would be court cases in this and would require to appear in court twice which wouls take the intial process to three months...

It can take 4-6 months, issue is can care taker govt exist for 90+ days

What does the law say.
 
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They have to be ready to hold elections within 90 days, if they aren't they need to be sacked. They are the election commission not the mafias B team

Ufff. Its better to know about local problems...

Ecp doesnt control courts...
 
The Supreme Court has set aside deputy speaker's ruling to dismiss the no-trust resolution against Prime Minister Imran and the subsequent dissolution of the NA by the president on the PM's advice, with all five judges unanimously voting 5-0 against it.

DAWN
 
Congrats to all crooks.

Decision went in favour of Opposition.

Decision over ruled, PM and President dissolving assemblies also over ruled.
 
Just IN: Pakistani Supreme Court restores national assembly, orders to continue vote of no confidence against PM Imran Khan.
 
Fearing for IK's life now. He is going to be tried under Article 6 now
 
Supreme Court asks speaker to call session on Saturday and vote on the vote of no confidence against Imran Khan.
 
When the judiciary and everything Is a sellout this will happen. Hopefully there's a revolution now and people storm every institution. Bring it down burn the country do what you have to but don't let the corrupts win.
 
ISLAMABAD: The Supreme Court on Thursday reserved its verdict on the suo motu notice regarding the National Assembly Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri's rejection of the no-confidence motion against Prime Minister Imran Khan on Thursday, after five consecutive days of deliberation on the matter.

The verdict will be delivered by 7:30pm today.

Chief Justice of Pakistan Umar Ata Bandial said that the court will move forward only after seeing national interest and practical possibilities.

The chief justice noted that the deputy speaker's ruling is, prima facie, a violation of Article 95, as the apex court resumed deliberation over the "unconstitutional" act by Suri for the fifth consecutive day today.

The apex court's five-member larger bench — headed by Justice Bandial and comprising Justice Muneeb Akhtar, Justice Aijazul Ahsan, Justice Mazhar Alam, and Justice Jamal Khan Mandokhel — is hearing the case.

GEO
 
Two things:

1. USA owns Pakistan. We like it or not, it is irrelevant.

2. Rats who were deep inside their holes are coming out to taunt :yk
 
SC declares NA deputy speaker’s ruling unconstitutional.
National Assembly has been restored.
PM’s advice to dissolve National Assembly declared null and void.
SC orders President Arif Alvi to convene NA session on April 9.
NA to hold voting on no-confidence motion on Saturday at 10 am.

GEO
 
not any of my concern but when you call SC as sell outs, then it is a disrespect towards the country also since SC is one of the basic pillars of a country.
 
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