Supreme Court declares deputy speaker’s ruling null and void, restores National Assembly

[Markhor]

His popularity increased after the "foreign interference drama".



His popularity has increased. They are scared they will lose an election if its held now.

Forgive me as I'm unfamiliar with the intricacies of Pakistan's constitution, but in any parliamentary system - the survival of the government depends on whether they can hold a parliamentary majority not the leader's general popularity. So my two questions are:

1) If IK loses his majority - then what else can he do other than dissolve the assembly and call an election ? Surely you cannot unilaterally declare you'll stay in power regardless and prevent any confidence motions taking place.

2) PTI supporters are saying quashing the NCM is necessary to prevent PDM forming a Govt so they clear the cases against them.

Now you're saying IK's popularity has increased - then surely he'll win the election whenever it's held - and he can simply reinstate the cases ?

The other argument is tbat PDM Govt will rig the elections by appointing some puppet caretaker. But IK still won in 2018 under "puppet caretakers" and anyway, a caretaker PM must be agreed to by consensus between Govt and Opposition ?

Sorry I know that's a barrage of questions.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

That will be a good idea, although that is like cutting nose to spite face. It will hurt Pakistan as revenues are already poor. But we both know, if opposition forms a short-term government, they will certainly do it. That way they can say they have a way to control inflation. if i am not wrong, in a recent survey, inflation was the top most concern and corruption was quite a down as far as people are concenred.

Yes the opposition will do it, so IK might as well take the credit. And yes inflation was the biggest issue until the foreign interference issue.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Forgive me as I'm unfamiliar with the intricacies of Pakistan's constitution, but in any parliamentary system - the survival of the government depends on whether they can hold a parliamentary majority not the leader's general popularity. So my two questions are:

1) If IK loses his majority - then what else can he do other than dissolve the assembly and call an election ? Surely you cannot unilaterally declare you'll stay in power regardless and prevent any confidence motions taking place.

2) PTI supporters are saying quashing the NCM is necessary to prevent PDM forming a Govt so they clear the cases against them.

Now you're saying IK's popularity has increased - then surely he'll win the election whenever it's held - and he can simply reinstate the cases ?

The other argument is tbat PDM Govt will rig the elections by appointing some puppet caretaker. But IK still won in 2018 under "puppet caretakers" and anyway, a caretaker PM must be agreed to by consensus between Govt and Opposition ?

Sorry I know that's a barrage of questions.

1 - He cant dissolve the assembly after the NCM is issued. He tried to dismiss the NCM, and dissolve the assembly and call an election, but the supreme court said that was illegal (right verdict legally) . Now the vote will be held on Saturday and barring another Trump card IK is out.

2 - His popularity has increased now which is why he wants an election asap. However once Shahbaaz becomes PM he can keep the assembly until August of 2023. Who knows who will be more popular than?

3 - The caretaker is appointed by the choice of the PM and the leader of Opposition. So when the time comes for that Shahbaaz and IK will have to agree on someone to be the caretaker PM.

4 - The biggest problem that PTI has is PDM will remove electronic voting and the rights of the overseas Pakistanis to vote. Not to mention they might just artificially controlling the rupee and cut petrol prices to increase their popularity. IK got a bankrupt country when he won in 2018.

 

[Markhor]

1 - He cant dissolve the assembly after the NCM is issued. He tried to dismiss the NCM, and dissolve the assembly and call an election, but the supreme court said that was illegal (right verdict legally) . Now the vote will be held on Saturday and barring another Trump card IK is out.

2 - His popularity has increased now which is why he wants an election asap. However once Shahbaaz becomes PM he can keep the assembly until August of 2023. Who knows who will be more popular than?

3 - The caretaker is appointed by the choice of the PM and the leader of Opposition. So when the time comes for that Shahbaaz and IK will have to agree on someone to be the caretaker PM.

4 - The biggest problem that PTI has is PDM will remove electronic voting and the rights of the overseas Pakistanis to vote. Not to mention they might just artificially controlling the rupee and cut petrol prices to increase their popularity. IK got a bankrupt country when he won in 2018.

Thanks, the key question now is whether the Opposition, having scored a short-term victory based on a common anti-IK stance, can actually form a cohesive government.

There are so many parties and egos that it may only be a matter of time before they start clashing among themselves.

They maybe can introduce some populist short-term economic measures, but inflation is a global trend beyond the control of any national government, and there may even be a new Covid variant.

Turbulent times ahead.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Thanks, the key question now is whether the Opposition, having scored a short-term victory based on a common anti-IK stance, can actually form a cohesive government.

There are so many parties and egos that it may only be a matter of time before they start clashing among themselves.

They maybe can introduce some populist short-term economic measures, but inflation is a global trend beyond the control of any national government, and there may even be a new Covid variant.

Turbulent times ahead.

They have nothing holding them together except their hate for IK. So one would assume this gang of thieves will eventually breakup. However its possible they stay united for the next election so they can beat IK.

 

[Major]

Forgive me as I'm unfamiliar with the intricacies of Pakistan's constitution, but in any parliamentary system - the survival of the government depends on whether they can hold a parliamentary majority not the leader's general popularity. So my two questions are:

1) If IK loses his majority - then what else can he do other than dissolve the assembly and call an election ? Surely you cannot unilaterally declare you'll stay in power regardless and prevent any confidence motions taking place.

2) PTI supporters are saying quashing the NCM is necessary to prevent PDM forming a Govt so they clear the cases against them.

Now you're saying IK's popularity has increased - then surely he'll win the election whenever it's held - and he can simply reinstate the cases ?

The other argument is tbat PDM Govt will rig the elections by appointing some puppet caretaker. But IK still won in 2018 under "puppet caretakers" and anyway, a caretaker PM must be agreed to by consensus between Govt and Opposition ?

Sorry I know that's a barrage of questions.

one thing that I would like to add here.

PTI fans think that once they get a 2/3 majority and they would be back in power. Yes, this is quite possible. The reason for that is the notion they have created that all the corrupt have stood against them, and the awaam will believe in this notion.

But this notion isn't true. PPP and PMLN are the bitterest of enemies, plus ptis own members left him to join the opposition.

The reason why the NCM took place is because of 4 things.

1. Imran had electables in his party. He relied on them and when he came into power didnt adjust their seats accordingly. Tareen group were unhappy with not getting punjab.

2. The economic and Foreign policy mess that was created by handing it over to the army.

3. The most important, in a parliamentary form of govt, you have to consult opposition. There was no discussion for bills with the opposition. They passed many bills through Presidential ordinances. Presidential ordinance can only be passed when the country is in the state of emergency.

4. Institutes like NAB exists that investigates govt officials for corruption. Now NAB has a problem that they only investigate the opposition and the govt in power is never touched. To create NAB transparent, the Chairman of NAB is to be selected based on the PM and opposition leaders consensus. Thus, making it transparent. The last NAB chairman was only taking action against opposition, and he was about to retire and a new NAB chairman was to be selected with consultation with Shebaz Shareef. Imran didnt want to do that, and thus, he bought a presidential ordinance to extend the Nab chairman's tenure.



Now Imran can pull off a 2 3rd majority, but what just happened can repeat itself again in future. If he thinks people now love him irrespective of the mna than give tickets to people who would follow him and not electables only. Plus, he will have to work with opposition, he cannot just ignore the opposition at all.

Even if he pulls of a majority and tries to change the constitution to a presidential one, he cant do that with electables.

So lets see if Imran learns from his mistakes or not. I dont think he has and this will repeat again.

 

[Clueless]

Thanks, the key question now is whether the Opposition, having scored a short-term victory based on a common anti-IK stance, can actually form a cohesive government.

There are so many parties and egos that it may only be a matter of time before they start clashing among themselves.

They maybe can introduce some populist short-term economic measures, but inflation is a global trend beyond the control of any national government, and there may even be a new Covid variant.

Turbulent times ahead.

The opposition will be united and pursue treason charges against Imran Khan. Crushing IK will be the uniting factor for them and trying to remove him from politics for good.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

not any of my concern but when you call SC as sell outs, then it is a disrespect towards the country also since SC is one of the basic pillars of a country.

SC, Military are correct or sell outs depending on which side you are on.

This is a story of almost every country now with political divide lines very wide in most of them.

Horseshoe Theory - Nobody is against authoritarianism. They are just against the other side's authoritarianism.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

That is not a qualification to run a country.

Imran’s equivalence is not Trump or Modi but I see similarities with Kejriwal in India minus the same level of hysterical popularity for IK. However credit where due Kejriwal has all new and fresh faces in his party, IK seems to have fence sitters and opportunists. I don’t have to be an expert in Pakistan politics to say that I am assuming based on the events of the last month.

IK said he made a mistake in doing that, and in the next elections he will give seats to party workers, and people who remained loyal to him, and people not involved with any other political party.

However had he not given the seats to electable's perhaps he would not have the 2018 election. Luckily this time for him PTI is an established political party with support across the country so they dont need them anymore.

 

[Manunited18]

PTI can dissolve the assembly by resigning it's members tomorrow evening. With hundred or more resignations and being the largest party the opposition can't do nothing. Showbaz and diesel can only dream for the positions they desperately acquire.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

PTI can dissolve the assembly by resigning it's members tomorrow evening. With hundred or more resignations and being the largest party the opposition can't do nothing. Showbaz and diesel can only dream for the positions they desperately acquire.

Unfortunately that does not seem likely. Shahbaaz is going to be PM, however Diesel most likely wont be President because they need a 2/3 majority to impeach Arif Alvi. But never say never.

 

[Manunited18]

Unfortunately that does not seem likely. Shahbaaz is going to be PM, however Diesel most likely wont be President because they need a 2/3 majority to impeach Arif Alvi. But never say never.

Imran will have one last throw of the dice. He will dissolve the Punjab and kpk assembles and all the PTI Mna' s will resign from the National assembly, it will either bring in early elections or possible martial law.

 

[oatmeal]

PTI can dissolve the assembly by resigning it's members tomorrow evening. With hundred or more resignations and being the largest party the opposition can't do nothing. Showbaz and diesel can only dream for the positions they desperately acquire.

If PTI doesnt have even half the members to win a trust vote, how can their resignations dissolve the assembly?

 

[abdulrafay33]

Imran will have one last throw of the dice. He will dissolve the Punjab and kpk assembles and all the PTI Mna' s will resign from the National assembly, it will either bring in early elections or possible martial law.

Dont think all the mnas of pti would resign because even in the last session of NA only 90 mnas of pti showed up.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

But your countries elections should be fought on local issues that the government has full control over. Not on some vague independent foreign policy. Pakistan, like India, has vast amount poverty and working to solve them should be the first priority. Taking on USA at this juncture in Pakistan's history is mere stupidity. If they have done something wrong, there are ways to highlight it diplomatically. IK seems to be bent on using it only politically so that people sa you say, will forget about the current issues they are facing.

US may or may not care about getting humiliated. But why do it? As a leader he should be doing everything to make pakistan a better place. If Pakistan was independent then it is a different story. You are still dependent on goodwill of the west. Most of us are.

They should and PTI will talk things they have done and want to do, however that would not be enough imo. The country is in a bad place economically due to decades of mismanagement. This foreign conspiracy will give him a boost in the elections.

If PDM governs for the rest of the term (1.5 years) then maybe IK wont need the foreign conspiracy card, as the economy will still be bad. However we have no idea when they will call for elections.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

That’s not a good thing, the average joe on the street should be concerned about food and basic amenities not minutes of a meeting between a couple of diplomats.

There was barely even a mention on CNN etc about this conspiracy.

That is exactly what the average Joe is concerned about. However the economy is not good. So you need to change the narrative.

 

[Major]

Imran will have one last throw of the dice. He will dissolve the Punjab and kpk assembles and all the PTI Mna' s will resign from the National assembly, it will either bring in early elections or possible martial law.

Bro, if imran khan does anything stupid on saturday, and i am really hoping that he does something stupid, it will be considered as contempt of court and he will be thrown jn jail for it.

This is why court said that ncm wilk happen on saturday and cannot be delayed anymore, the president has been asked to preside it

 

[Itachi]

Imran will have one last throw of the dice. He will dissolve the Punjab and kpk assembles and all the PTI Mna' s will resign from the National assembly, it will either bring in early elections or possible martial law.

This kind of stupidity will receive further sanctions from SC and can descend in to contempt of court. IK is on thin ice here.

 

[Manunited18]

Imran will want political martyrdom than political oblivion. He will get the 22 qaror Awaam alongside and make hell for the Sell outs.

 

[Savak]

Imran needs to realize that everything is in favour of the opposition. Resigning in mass from the assemblies is not going to work as the SC and EC will just order by elections no matter how unrealistic it sounds.

He needs to suck up his losses, swallow his pride ego and deal with this humiliation and sit in the opposition with 160 plus seats to ensure that the PDM do not have a field day in the assembly.

 

[Salma_T]

Let's see what happens.....if he isn't fit to as per the Courts it must accepted. I am unsure if he has any other avenues to force an election atm.

I am IK supporter be it from afar, but to expect someone to sort a country out in 3.5 yrs after decades of mismanagement is a huge ask. He made statement that couldn't be backed up.

 

[Savak]

https://youtu.be/brC0STaefWM


Sami Ibrahim highlighting the Attorney Generals dubious arguments and conduct during the trial.

 

[shah_1]

Imran khan has terrible advisers.

 

[uberkoen]

1 - He cant dissolve the assembly after the NCM is issued. He tried to dismiss the NCM, and dissolve the assembly and call an election, but the supreme court said that was illegal (right verdict legally) . Now the vote will be held on Saturday and barring another Trump card IK is out.

2 - His popularity has increased now which is why he wants an election asap. However once Shahbaaz becomes PM he can keep the assembly until August of 2023. Who knows who will be more popular than?

3 - The caretaker is appointed by the choice of the PM and the leader of Opposition. So when the time comes for that Shahbaaz and IK will have to agree on someone to be the caretaker PM.

4 - The biggest problem that PTI has is PDM will remove electronic voting and the rights of the overseas Pakistanis to vote. Not to mention they might just artificially controlling the rupee and cut petrol prices to increase their popularity. IK got a bankrupt country when he won in 2018.

The amount of lies people spread is just absurd!

How has his popularity increased? Can you provide sources for this statement or is this your own personal wish? If anything, after his latest antics and his cries for protests it shows he's failing and people aren't falling for his silly charm anymore.

Now that he's been found guilty of breaking the constitution. I believe he should be persecuted and found guilty thereby barring him from holding any office.

On IK getting a bankrupt country when he won in 2018. Again, please provide sources for this statement. Also, please tell me how much debt we have accrued during Imran's regime and how he as been financing his Sehat Card and other such programs via loans and purely loans. Imran hasn't waved a magic wand to resurrect our economy he's burdened us with further loans which will be paid back by generations to come.

 

[uberkoen]

IK said he made a mistake in doing that, and in the next elections he will give seats to party workers, and people who remained loyal to him, and people not involved with any other political party.

However had he not given the seats to electable's perhaps he would not have the 2018 election. Luckily this time for him PTI is an established political party with support across the country so they dont need them anymore.

Does that mean he's going to throw our the likes of Firdous Ashiq Awan, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, Asad Qaiser and the others who have joined him from different parties? Majority of PTI seats were won by people who joined him from other parties.

 

[uberkoen]

PTI can dissolve the assembly by resigning it's members tomorrow evening. With hundred or more resignations and being the largest party the opposition can't do nothing. Showbaz and diesel can only dream for the positions they desperately acquire.

lol. No he can't. Opposition has majority. PTI can resign from their seats and there will be a re-election on those seats.

This is your typical PTI fan. Doesn't know a thing about how the political system in the country works but thinks Imran Khan is doing wonders. lol

 

[uberkoen]

https://youtu.be/brC0STaefWM


Sami Ibrahim highlighting the Attorney Generals dubious arguments and conduct during the trial.

Keep crying lol

 

[JaDed]

Imran khan has terrible advisers.

Or maybe he just doesn’t listen to them?

 

[uberkoen]

Or maybe he just doesn’t listen to them?

He doesn't listen to anyone. His Assistant AG, Punjab Governor and Law Minister all advised him to not go against the constitution of Pakistan but he refused to listen and still went ahead with it.

 

[Itachi]

https://youtu.be/brC0STaefWM


Sami Ibrahim highlighting the Attorney Generals dubious arguments and conduct during the trial.

That's not dubious argument. He is within his right to disagree with the deputy speakers action.

 

[uberkoen]

That's not dubious argument. He is within his right to disagree with the deputy speakers action.

The Attorney General and Law Minister already warned Imran not to go in this direction but he did not listen to them.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Does that mean he's going to throw our the likes of Firdous Ashiq Awan, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, Asad Qaiser and the others who have joined him from different parties? Majority of PTI seats were won by people who joined him from other parties.

The ones who were loyal will be given tickets. People like Querishi, Fawad, etc. I personally would not give a ticket too Firdous Ashiq Awan as she was rumored to be asking for a PML N ticket.

PM Imran said tickets would be given to all the MPs in attendance who still supported and continued to support the party during "difficult times".

https://www.dawn.com/news/1683578

Majority of PTI seats were won by people who joined him from other parties.

Yes, and now he does not want them anymore. Aamir Liaquat joined PTI from MQM. IK does not need people like him to win in Karachi.

 

[uberkoen]

The ones who were loyal will be given tickets. People like Querishi, Fawad, etc. I personally would not give a ticket too Firdous Ashiq Awan as she was rumored to be asking for a PML N ticket.



https://www.dawn.com/news/1683578



Yes, and now he does not want them anymore. Aamir Liaquat joined PTI from MQM. IK does not need people like him to win in Karachi.

I sure hope he follows through with this because that would mean he'd be back to 20/30 seats not even enough to be leader of the opposition

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I sure hope he follows through with this because that would mean he'd be back to 20/30 seats not even enough to be leader of the opposition

This is the latest Gallup Pakistan poll from January 2022. Check out Column 7 to see who is leading.

https://www.gallup.com.pk/post/32893

I think a opinion poll is a better indicator of who will win and who wont than either of our own opinion's.

 

[uberkoen]

This is the latest Gallup Pakistan poll from January 2022. Check out Column 7 to see who is leading.

https://www.gallup.com.pk/post/32893

I think a opinion poll is a better indicator of who will win and who wont than either of our own opinion's.

The tides have turned since January my friend. Keep hanging on to your last hope. It will be fun to laugh at you when PTI crumble over the course of the next few months.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

The tides have turned since January my friend. Keep hanging on to your last hope.

I agree, and I believe now he is more popular. I'm looking forward to a new poll which indicates that. Especially after a few months of PDM being in power when the awam see these gang of thieves have not improved the country. The people will see IK on one side and all the other politicians, establishment, media, judiciary on another. Just like he warned us.

It will be fun to laugh at you when PTI crumble over the course of the next few months.

We will see who gets the last laugh. I think we need to wait for the next election though.

I can only hope IK gets a 2/3 majority just one time. If he does, I don't want him to forgive any of them, starting with the backstabber Tareen.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

The amount of lies people spread is just absurd!

How has his popularity increased? Can you provide sources for this statement or is this your own personal wish? If anything, after his latest antics and his cries for protests it shows he's failing and people aren't falling for his silly charm anymore.

He wants elections asap and the opposition does not. That's the easiest way to tell.

How do you know his popularity has not increased? Can you provide sources for this statement or is this your own personal wish? See two can play that game.

If anything, after his latest antics and his cries for protests it shows he's failing and people aren't falling for his silly charm anymore.

His base loved the move. They want him to fight till the last ball. They love it when he insults his opponents. PDM cant dream of getting the crowd he does for his jalsas. And he does not need to give them biryani and keema nan to come.

Now that he's been found guilty of breaking the constitution. I believe he should be persecuted and found guilty thereby barring him from holding any office.

If supposedly by your account his popularity is so low, why try to bar him from office? Let the people decide.

And guily my a**. First the deputy speaker did the move not IK. Second the SC said it was unconstitutional, not that he broke the constitution (ala Musharraf)

On IK getting a bankrupt country when he won in 2018. Again, please provide sources for this statement. Also, please tell me how much debt we have accrued during Imran's regime and how he as been financing his Sehat Card and other such programs via loans and purely loans. Imran hasn't waved a magic wand to resurrect our economy he's burdened us with further loans which will be paid back by generations to come.

IK had to go to the IMF as soon as he came into power. Whose fault was that? Countries in good fiscal condition don't need to go to IMF.

They also greatly overvalued the rupee, which destroyed Pakistan's exports. For a source you can check the REER from 2013 through 2018. It will show the rupee is greatly overvalued. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/PX.REX.REER?locations=PK

IK has not manipulated the rupee, exports have greatly increased. He cant clean decades of problems created by PPP, PML N, and dictators in a few years. Especially when their was Covid and entire world is suffering from inflation.

 

[Itachi]

Seems like IKs popularity is a facade with over inflation of propaganda from social media whilst in the ground, picture is opposite.

 

[daytrader]

Seems like IKs popularity is a facade with over inflation of propaganda from social media whilst in the ground, picture is opposite.

Have you seen his jalsas? Just go compare online videos with PDM. IK has more people behind his car than PDM does in a jalsa

 

[TigerOfPakistan]

Imran Khan is the pride of the nation, while every leader from the PDM is nations traitor. Facts!

 

[Itachi]

Have you seen his jalsas? Just go compare online videos with PDM. IK has more people behind his car than PDM does in a jalsa

I wouldn't trust jalsa to be honest.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I wouldn't trust jalsa to be honest.

You think those people who spends hours at a jalsa, listen to speeches that have been done hundreds of times, are not going to go and vote?

 

[Itachi]

You think those people who spends hours at a jalsa, listen to speeches that have been done hundreds of times, are not going to go and vote?

You live in Pakistan or abroad?

Because desi countries have one thing in common. Jalsa isn't always correct measure of voting probability.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

You live in Pakistan or abroad?

Because desi countries have one thing in common. Jalsa isn't always correct measure of voting probability.

Abroad, but I have many family members in Pakistan a country where I was born.

Anyway I agree that jalsas are not the best way to know voting intentions. Its opinion polls. Opinion polls are better than anyone opinion as far as I'm concerned. And the last one that I saw had IK winning federal again.

And I would add that I live in US, and no one believed Trump would ever win. However his rallies were packed. In the way IK and Trump are similar they have huge crowd pull.

 

[MenInG]

MPA Khushdil Khan said that 20 per cent members of the provincial assembly supported the motion. The opposition leaders were of the opinion that the government was in "panic mode" after the "unconstitutional" steps taken by it in Punjab.

They said that the province has come to default due to the unconstitutional steps taken by the government, adding that the resources of the province were distributed on a personal basis.

The motion is supported by the members of the PML-N, ANP and BAP.

According to the K-P Assembly Secretariat spokesperson, the motion would be effective from Monday as the time for submission in the Assembly Secretariat had ended at 1pm.

He said that the opposition had submitted its motion at 5:45pm today, adding that the secretariat would analyse the motion's legal aspects on Monday and will discuss it with Speaker Mushtaq Ghani.

The spokesperson further said that even if the motion was legally correct, voting cannot take place before May 10.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

All Indian channel showing this live.
What and exchange between Sharif and the speaker.. This is a drama better then Netflix

 

[MenInG]

Long speech by Qureshi happening..

 

[MenInG]

 

[daytrader]

Shahbaz wearing a suit instead of shirwani

 

[MenInG]

Adjourned until 12:30pm - is there a twist?

 

[MenInG]

Adjourned until 12:30pm - is there a twist?

After a week-long episode of political uncertainty that embroiled Pakistan in a constitutional crisis, the crucial National Assembly session called to vote on the no-confidence motion that could seal the fate of Prime Minister Imran Khan commenced at 10:30 am.

The session is being chaired by National Assembly Speaker Asad Qaiser.

PML-N President Shehbaz Sharif, standing up to speak after the recitation of the Holy Quran, said the "unconstitutional work of the speaker and Imran Khan was deemed wrong" by the apex court.

Paying tribute to the people of the country, Shehbaz said "today this parliament will defeat a selected prime minister".

"Whatever happened in a hurry is in the past, today you must work constitutionally and according to the SC order," urged the opposition leader.

The speaker replied that has read the SC order and would work according to the directions of the apex court but will also look into allegations of a 'foreign conspiracy'.

Shehbaz read a relevant paragraph from the SC order, which stated that the speaker must hold the no-confidence during today's session before 10:30

"You cannot deviate from this"

'History full of constitutional violations'

Taking the floor after the opposition leader, senior PTI leader Shah Mahmood Qureshi said Prime Minister Imran Khan has accepted the decision of the Supreme Court but was 'disappointed'.

"I want to say from my party that the opposition has a right to present the no-trust motion and it is my right to contest it. We should debate this constitutionally

"I want the nation to know that it is necessary for all of us to respect the constitution", he added that even Imran Khan was content with the SC order, though disappointed

In the six-point agenda issued by the National Assembly Secretariat on Friday, voting on the no-confidence motion is on the fourth position. The vote will take place at 10:30am in line with the apex court’s order.

In addition, the agenda includes two calling attention notices, one of which draws the defence minister's attention to the non-payment of salaries to councillors in the country's cantonment boards and the other invites the energy minister's attention regarding the increase in petroleum prices.

Senior opposition leaders, including PML-N President Shehbaz Sharif and PPP co-chairperson Asif Ali Zardari have reached the parliament.

Shehbaz, speaking briefly to media personnel, said that Imran Khan was more upset about Shehbaz coming into power than he was by getting ousted himself.

Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi, talking to reporters, said the PTI would present its position in the NA session while remaining within the ambit of the Constitution.

The minister claimed that they were ready for any situation, and had taken these steps to be an independent nation and raise the flag of the country. “We believe that the people of Pakistan are with us,” he said.

He informed media personnel that he would present the position of Imran Khan and PTI in the NA and the decision regarding the Foreign Secretary’s briefing would be taken in the lower house session today.

When asked if there would be a vote of no-confidence, Qureshi said it depended on the environment of the National Assembly.

Babar Awan said three words, "Pakistan, Constitution and nation"

PTI MNA Ali Muhammad Khan said that the truth would emerge victorious and that Imran Khan was fighting for Pakistan. “Pakistan’s decisions will be taken in Pakistan, not Washington”.

Muttahida Qaumi Movement-Pakistan (MQM-P) leader Aminul Haque stated that obedience to the Constitution and law was a duty, and the Constitution stated that a vote must take place after the no-trust motion.

He added that the PTI’s surprise was revealed in the past and resulted in nothing. “Protest is the right of every democratic party,” he maintained.

Express Tribune

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Adjourned until 12:30pm - is there a twist?

Perhaps they can delay it a few days by just talking.

 

[MenInG]

Perhaps they can delay it a few days by just talking.

I wonder if this is to take it to tomorrow when some court hearing for Shehbaz... lets see

 

[Abdullah]

Didn't sabir Shakir say vote won't happen today?

 

[MenInG]

The National Assembly session to decide the fate of Prime Minister Imran Khan has been adjourned till 12:30pm.

NA Speaker Asad Qaiser is chairing today's session which began at 10:30am sharp, in accordance with the Supreme Court's directives, and with the recitation of the Holy Quran. It was followed by the national anthem and prayers for the recently deceased mother of MNA Shazia Sobia.

Voting on the no-confidence motion against the prime minister is the fourth item on the day's agenda. While the opposition came out in full force, very few members of the treasury benches were in attendance before the session was adjourned. Prime Minister Imran Khan was also not present.

Taking the floor, Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly Shehbaz Sharif hailed Thursday as a historic day in the country's history when the apex court rejected the deputy speaker's ruling. According to the PML-N leader, the SC decision had made Pakistan's future "bright".

He called on Qaiser to conduct proceedings in accordance with the SC's directives, stating that parliament would be writing history today. "Today, parliament is going to defeat a selected prime minister in a constitutional manner," he declared.

Shehbaz told the speaker to let bygones be bygones and to stand for the law and the Constitution. He urged the speaker to play his role and to have his name "written in history in golden words".

"You must cash in on this moment with conviction and with your heart and your mind. Don't go off of the dictation of a selected prime minister," he urged Qaiser, adding that the apex court's directives were clear.

Responding to Shehbaz's earnest plea, Qaiser assured the opposition leader that he would conduct proceedings according to the law and the Constitution.

"[But] the important thing is that there has been talk of an international conspiracy. This should also be discussed," he said, as the hall echoed with protests from the opposition benches.

This prompted Shehbaz to tell the Qaiser that he would be violating the court's directives if he would go down that road. He also read out the court's directives regarding the convening of the session.

"Under the court's directives, you are bound to take up this agenda item and no other item. That is the intent of the order and you cannot deviate from it," he said, calling on the speaker to hold voting on the motion forthwith.

"The SC's orders will be followed in true letter and spirit," Qaiser replied, giving the floor to Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi.

The foreign minister began by acknowledging that the opposition had the right to table a no-trust motion against the prime minister but said that defending it was his obligation. "We intend to fight it in constitutional, political and democratic manner," he asserted.

Talking about constitutional violations, he said that it was obligatory "on us to respect the Constitution". "As the prime minister said yesterday, he is disappointed but has accepted the court's decision," Qureshi said, referring to PM Imran's late-night address on Friday.

Qureshi said there had been many examples of constitutional violations in Pakistan's history. "Constitutional violations, unfortunately, have been a part of our history."

He said a major example of a constitutional violation from recent history pertained to October 12, 1999, when PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif's government was toppled as a result of a military coup.

"The nation is a witness to the fact that the Constitution was violated on October 12, 2009. And when the case was presented before the apex court ... history is witness, that not only justifications were made but permission was also given for an amendment to the Constitution," he said.

Qureshi noted that Pakistan Democratic Movement chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman and PPP Chairperson Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari had said they would not accept any ruling based on the doctrine of necessity, even before the SC had issued its verdict and while the matter was sub-judice.

The minister went on to say that the doctrine of necessity should have been buried, voicing his happiness at the "evolution" of Pakistan's democracy. "I am happy that Pakistan's democracy has evolved and that we all are not ready to take its (doctrine of necessity) support."

Qureshi also presented the stance of the prime minister, saying that he was disappointed but respected the court's orders. He added that NA proceedings were being conducted in accordance with the directives issued by the court.

"Today is Saturday and the session has started at 10:30am. The court said the session will not be prorogued unless the process of Article 95 and rule 37 is concluded."

However, it is important to present the context under which the court directed to summon the session again, he added. He said that the clock was turned back and the apex court unanimously dismissed the April 3 ruling.

The minister said that the prime minister went to the people by dissolving the assembly, adding that the opposition had been calling for early polls for close to four years.

"He (prime minister) said let's go to the people and let them decide in whose hands they want to see Pakistan's future."

He reiterated that the government had accepted the court's decision but questioned why the opposition parties went to the court and why the SC took suo motu notice. "The ruling the deputy speaker gave when he was chairing the session [...] he did not reject the constitutional process. He said a new situation had surfaced and that it should be probed in its light."

Qureshi added that the National Security Committee (NSC), one of the country's top forums, had seen the cable — purportedly containing evidence of a foreign plot against the government — and concluded that it was a sensitive matter.

"The NSC took two decisions. First, they acknowledged there was interference in Pakistan's internal matters and that a demarche must be issued," he said, adding that the Foreign Office followed these directives.

"The second was to immediately summon the Parliamentary Committee on National Security and for the matter to be presented before elected representatives," he said, adding that the opposition was also invited.

At this point, the opposition benches started protesting and shouting which led the minister to ask why they were "nervous". Amid the commotion, the speaker adjourned the session till 12:30pm.

Opposition holds parliamentary committee meeting
Lawmakers began arriving at Parliament House ahead of the session while television footage showed tight security arrangements in place in the capital. The united opposition also held a meeting of its parliamentary group that was chaired by PML-N President Shehbaz Sharif and attended by 176 lawmakers.

The opposition needs the support of at least 172 lawmakers from a total of 342 to oust the premier through the no-trust move.

Despite the impression that the PTI has lost its majority in the lower house, the ruling party is still adamant that it would not leave the field open for the opposition and has vowed to make things as difficult for them as they can, be it creating hurdles in the voting procedure or preventing the election of opposition nominee Shehbaz Sharif as the new leader of the house.

Ahead of the session, on Friday, PM Imran had presided over a meeting of the party’s parliamentary group.

Meanwhile, Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry has said the government would present the "threatening" cable — purportedly containing evidence of a foreign plot against the government — or its contents in the assembly and will ask the speaker for a debate on the issue.

Speaking to ARY News on Friday night, he was of the opinion that even though the vote of no confidence was on the agenda, voting would likely not take place today. He said that while the SC had instructed voting to be held in the session called on April 9, that didn't mean it would have to be on the same date.

DAWN

 

[MenInG]

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[MenInG]

GEO saying

Govt and Opp have had talks and they will vote after 8pm Pak time (after Iftar time)
Some agreement on they will not interrupt each other during speeches

 

[cricketjoshila]

GEO saying

Govt and Opp have had talks and they will vote after 8pm Pak time (after Iftar time)
Some agreement on they will not interrupt each other during speeches

This is good. Both sides must work to keep the democratic process going.

 

[MenInG]

This is good. Both sides must work to keep the democratic process going.

But now Govt has filed a review petition, IK holding a special cabinet meeting at 9pm

 

[cricketjoshila]

But now Govt has filed a review petition, IK holding a special cabinet meeting at 9pm

Well let the court decide the review petition. If they allow it, its a constitutional process.

Even if Imran loses the VONC he needs a cabinet meeting to get the resignation of him and his cabinet. No?

 

[MenInG]

The National Assembly session to decide the fate of Prime Minister Imran Khan has been adjourned till 7:30pm on account of iftar and Maghrib prayers break.

 

[MenInG]

Well let the court decide the review petition. If they allow it, its a constitutional process.

Even if Imran loses the VONC he needs a cabinet meeting to get the resignation of him and his cabinet. No?

Think this meeting more for them to come up with a different surprise!

 

[pakistanisgreat]

According to GEO Speaker has decided not to go for voting!!

 

[Bewal Express]

We cannot have a imported mafia govt. Let the people decide with an election. The SC decision goes against its own precedence.

 

[Bewal Express]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All eyes are now on CJ LHC. Will he stop Ch Pervez Elahi and Imran Khan from unconstitutional actions in Punjab? Will he follow the honourable examples of CJP and CJ IHC??</p>— Najam Sethi (@najamsethi) <a href="https://twitter.com/najamsethi/status/1512698505218961408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 9, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Corrupt budha always there as a mafia mouthpiece

 

[Major]

Rumours are asad qiaser is not gonna ket this happen as he said that he has a 30 year relation with imran.

Is he the soeaker of pakistan or soeaker of imran....


Pti keee kaanpei tang re hai ) they are trying to delay their faith. )

 

[cricketjoshila]

Think this meeting more for them to come up with a different surprise!

Emergency?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Rumours are asad qiaser is not gonna ket this happen as he said that he has a 30 year relation with imran.

Is he the soeaker of pakistan or soeaker of imran....


Pti keee kaanpei tang re hai ) they are trying to delay their faith. )

Will he not be in contempt of the court?

 

[Major]

Will he not be in contempt of the court?

Lets see, geo just reported asad qaiser had an srgumrnt with a pti federak minsiter where the minister said follow the dirctions of imran, while asad said he has to fillow the constitution.


If nothing gets done by 12 am, its safe to say contempt of court by both imran and speaker

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Asad Qaiser who I had the pleasure of meeting when he was speaker of the KPK assembly is a deeply honourable man and will fight tooth and nail to defend his country.

He has been by Imrans side since 1996, through thick and thin and should be a role model in Pakistani politics, instead of these lotas and stooges.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I wonder if this is to take it to tomorrow when some court hearing for Shehbaz... lets see

Yes that could be it. Both he and his son are summoned to appear on April 11 in regards to money laundering and sugar scam.

 

[shaz619]

Wasn’t this vote routine, what is the latest now? hopefully nothing serious happens on the military side of things

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Will he not be in contempt of the court?

Debatable. The court order said start at 10:30 am, and they started it. Just they might not finish it tonight. Is taking a few more days contempt?

 

[oatmeal]

The courts and army have been fairly hands off so far because they assumed IK was engaging in political kabuki theater which is within his right to do as a politician to strengthen his position for the upcoming elections

But if the vote is delayed again today, these institutions will not treat it with the same soft hands approach. IK might never become PM again. It's politically prudent for him to let the vote proceed and then start making the argument to the people for the next election

 

[cricketjoshila]

Debatable. The court order said start at 10:30 am, and they started it. Just they might not finish it tonight. Is taking a few more days contempt?

Is there a limit in pakistan constitution regards to the time within which the vote must happen once debate starts and the motion has been tabled.

Delaying this unnecessarily reflects poorly on imran.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The courts and army have been fairly hands off so far because they assumed IK was engaging in political kabuki theater which is within his right to do as a politician to strengthen his position for the upcoming elections

But if the vote is delayed again today, these institutions will not treat it with the same soft hands approach. IK might never become PM again. It's politically prudent for him to let the vote proceed and then start making the argument to the people for the next election

Agreed.

 

[Kianig89]

Do these korts have any credibility how can a person on bail become a prime minister parliament is supreme parliament is the legislative authority

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Is there a limit in pakistan constitution regards to the time within which the vote must happen once debate starts and the motion has been tabled.

Delaying this unnecessarily reflects poorly on imran.

From what I read the vote had to have happened on April 3. That should have been last day.

And while this makes him appear like a sore loser to his opponents and people who are neutral, his base wants him to fight to the last ball. So I don't think what he did last week and what he is doing today is hurting him.

And will the court really hold him in contempt if they extend it a few days? Maybe. But he will be out of office sooner rather than later, so they might just let it go.

 

[Lonewarrior]

these judges will be going home, if the 3rd force intervene, and they cant do jack about it .......

 

[Manunited18]

Do these korts have any credibility how can a person on bail become a prime minister parliament is supreme parliament is the legislative authority

Exactly. Both him and his son face court rulings on charges against money laundering and sugar scam scandal.