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sad to hear,his manager committed suicide few days ago as well.
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I am disappointed by no condolence message by dhoni of all people as of yet. This is the guy who portrayed you in a film which became a mega blockbuster and he did an amazing job in doing so.
For all the praise Dhoni gets, I have always believed he is a very cold individual. V V S Laxman complained Dhoni never respected him as a senior player and part of the reason why he retired the way he did was due to the lack of support and respect from Dhoni where he wouldn't even return phonecalls
Most of the indians only care about masala and gossip. the obituaries are mostly by virtue signalling muppets. Indians don't really care when humans die.
One of my friends committed a suicide at the age of 17. His death memories still haunt me. He needed some money from his parents for buying some stuff and his parents were out for some social event. When they reached home, his body was hanging off the fan. He was 2 years older than me at that time.
His parents had to sell their house and had to live in another neighborhood. The crazy thing is, before that fateful day we played cricket together in the evening and the next day I had to hear this sad news. I was so shocked to see him do that. He was a very chilled and cool headed guy but again people with a sensitive soul hides a lot of pain. Like everyone else, he was a big fan of watching bollywood movies and to be honest in 80s and 90s, indian movies were really good. Storyline and music. Those suicide acts depicted in the movies. Teenagers are exposed to all kinds of things.
I went through a serious bouth of depression where I had to lose touch with reality. I lived in pain for the next 16 years due to depression and I used to get a lot of sucidal ideations.
I am not the right person to talk about mental health it is a very slippery slope topic some people say it is due to genetics or chemical imbalance, I would say that "it is just being a normal/sane person among crazies." That's how I would describe mental health and depression. Sane people are known as mental nutcases in our modern world.
RIP.
A great actor whose story was quite inspirational. He had a lot more to achieve. It's really a sad year! RIP Sushant!
Thanks for the memories- Koi Po Che, Peekay, MS Dhoni- Biopic , Kedarnath, Chichore!
I am disappointed by no condolence message by dhoni of all people as of yet. This is the guy who portrayed you in a film which became a mega blockbuster and he did an amazing job in doing so.
For all the praise Dhoni gets, I have always believed he is a very cold individual. V V S Laxman complained Dhoni never respected him as a senior player and part of the reason why he retired the way he did was due to the lack of support and respect from Dhoni where he wouldn't even return phonecalls
I know this has shocked many people as from the outset it looked like he was a young high flying actor on his way to a brilliant career. However, in reality that wasn't the case. Firstly, being from outside of the film fraternity he had to struggle a lot to get where he got to. He was mocked by Alia Bhatt and Karan for being a 'TV actor'. I remember reading about his journey and how he struggled in the beginning as people kept labeling him a 'tv actor'.
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Thanks for the memories- Koi Po Che, Peekay, MS Dhoni- Biopic , Kedarnath, Chichore!
Anyways extremely sad and feel for his dad, who lost his wife many years back and now his son....
If you know Sapna Bhavnani (?) who is a hairstylist for celebrities and knows many actors personally, she actually posted stuff blaming the industry for having given Sushant a hard time and now acting sad...
As for being mocked for being a tv actor?
Far better to have worked your way up from being a tv actor than to enter through nepotism
Alia Bhat herself, along with half the actors/actresses of this generation - Sara Ali Khan, Varun Dhawan, Tiger Shroff and so on are proof of that
True. The sympathy should be for those he left behind, but not for him. Anyone committing suicide is selfish and a coward, who is passing his pain to the others he leaves behind. The last thing we need is giving sympathy to these people and driving other strugglers to suicide because they think the world will be kind to them after they die.
This stigma has to go brother.
That suicide is a thing of cowards, losers failed people is what drives more and more to conclude suicide to be the end point of them giving up on their struggles.
C'mon I thought we moved past it already wth!?True. The sympathy should be for those he left behind, but not for him. Anyone committing suicide is selfish and a coward, who is passing his pain to the others he leaves behind. The last thing we need is giving sympathy to these people and driving other strugglers to suicide because they think the world will be kind to them after they die.
Why what did he do?Salman Khan has a lot to answer for. He has destroyed countless careers to keep himself relevant
Salman Khan has a lot to answer for. He has destroyed countless careers to keep himself relevant
What Vivek Oberai did was stupid and naive of the young man, but to destroy his career the way Salman did was ruthless. Just to make an example of him due to his personal ego.
Now there are reports about Salman pulling the plug on movies/deals with Sushant.
I heard somewhere that Salman also pulled the plug on Irfan Khan for a role in Dabangg.
Most recently and clearly, Salman pretty much ended Saif Ali Khan’s career by signing Race, and then turning it into a pathetic family movie due to his own terms and conditions.
Whilst the guy has only produced one decent movie in his life (Bajrangi Bhaijaan). He has still looted millions of dollars from the sheep awaam with his self centred, pointless masala roles.
Saif is himself product of nepotism(the biggest scam of national award for Hum tum due to his mother belonging to Congress), Salman didn't do anything to his career other than that who knows.
Also Vivek Oberoi's father was an actor as well, so it's not he had to do major struggle to get his first role.
Look my theory on Star kids is different. Some people may not like the fact that they have it all paved for them unlike the self made guys such as SRK and Akshay Kumar, but others believe that the weight of expectations with that pavement of opportunity is far greater. It is enough to crush you, and write you off far earlier than expected.
The other thing is, the Bollywood business runs on a connection between the star and the audience. That connection can last for decades, and it can grow stronger and stronger with time. Such is the case with Amitabh Bachan, Salman Khan, Amir Khan, Akshay and Shah Rukh. The audience who grew up watching them do not want them to ever leave really, and this is why these guys still make big bucks at the age of 60, portraying guys who have the athletic ability of a 25 year old man. Hence, the connection can continue through the heir of those screen icons, as they will remind the audience of the magic, nostalgia of their parents. I don’t think there is anything wrong with this, and it is up to the child now to continue with the legacy with hard work or end it through poor work.
The issue in Sushant’s case isn’t the opportunity or capturing the imagination such as Alia Bhatt or Varun Dhawan can afford to make happen. It was more to do with being an outsider to this community, and he struggled to connect with them. But I think the lad gave up too early. I believe Akshay Kumar went a decade or so in the same situation, he wasn’t half as talented as Sushant was when it came to using intellect and creativity. But Akshay was still riding along and doing what any young red blooded man would. He was enjoy the popularity, the attention, the fact that he was a desirable man to female attention. Eventually he broke through into the community when he married Twinkle, a daughter of the ‘group’, and that’s when his career just took off.
Sushant probably had a lot to offer for 2 more decades, he gave up a dream life which millions of young men have tried so hard to live, but have always failed to reach it.
John Abraham was not only an outsider but he also got in Salman Khan's bad books. But he still managed to create his own place and niche in Bollywood
Any research article to support this claim?
Look my theory on Star kids is different. Some people may not like the fact that they have it all paved for them unlike the self made guys such as SRK and Akshay Kumar, but others believe that the weight of expectations with that pavement of opportunity is far greater. It is enough to crush you, and write you off far earlier than expected.
The other thing is, the Bollywood business runs on a connection between the star and the audience. That connection can last for decades, and it can grow stronger and stronger with time. Such is the case with Amitabh Bachan, Salman Khan, Amir Khan, Akshay and Shah Rukh. The audience who grew up watching them do not want them to ever leave really, and this is why these guys still make big bucks at the age of 60, portraying guys who have the athletic ability of a 25 year old man. Hence, the connection can continue through the heir of those screen icons, as they will remind the audience of the magic, nostalgia of their parents. I don’t think there is anything wrong with this, and it is up to the child now to continue with the legacy with hard work or end it through poor work.
The issue in Sushant’s case isn’t the opportunity or capturing the imagination such as Alia Bhatt or Varun Dhawan can afford to make happen. It was more to do with being an outsider to this community, and he struggled to connect with them. But I think the lad gave up too early. I believe Akshay Kumar went a decade or so in the same situation, he wasn’t half as talented as Sushant was when it came to using intellect and creativity. But Akshay was still riding along and doing what any young red blooded man would. He was enjoy the popularity, the attention, the fact that he was a desirable man to female attention. Eventually he broke through into the community when he married Twinkle, a daughter of the ‘group’, and that’s when his career just took off.
Sushant probably had a lot to offer for 2 more decades, he gave up a dream life which millions of young men have tried so hard to live, but have always failed to reach it.
John Abraham was not only an outsider but he also got in Salman Khan's bad books. But he still managed to create his own place and niche in Bollywood
And now, as per latest reports, Sushant's cousin brother's wife, Sudha Devi has passed away at his native, Purnia in Bihar. The report further stated that she couldn't bear the loss of the actor. She took her last breath when Sushant's funeral was being conducted in Mumbai. The report also stated that she had stopped eating after she got to know about Sushant's suicide.
John is very tough mentally, it's clear mental health is a thing and everyone should work on getting better.
He predicted the Indian Rupee would be 65 to one dollar when it was 50's and then predicted it would go to 75 and that's what happened in last 2-3 months.
He has also figured out his audience and that's why he is making such movies only now..
As much as his movies, he has acted in the scenes for some amazing songs ...
When I think of it, most days over the last 6-7 years, I have heard one song at least with him in it (and as such his face is one that appeared subconsciously in my mind on an almost daily basis)..
Chaar Kadam, Manjhaa, Ik vaari aja, Tere mere beech (a very unique duet by the 2 Chauhans, who have hardly sung together otherwise), Jaan Nisar are some of the notable ones
Very tough to survive in Bollywood while being in Salman Khan's bad books. John was smart enough to focus on his biggest assets i.e. his physique and branding himself as an action hero due to which stuck to that genre. He has given some good performances as well here and there. Unlike Vivek Oberoi who has shamelessly tried to apologize to Salman in Public, John kept his head high and never stooped to those levels.
Varun Dhawan, Tiger Shroff, Alia Bhatt have delivered in the box office and have received acclaim for some of their acting performances. Unfair to blame them for this episode.
Saif Ali Khan is angry about the film industry’s sudden outpouring of love for Sushant Singh Rajput after his death on Sunday. He feels that a day of silence would be more appropriate than the ‘hypocrisy’ of pretending to care.
In an interview with The Times of India, Saif called the news of Sushant’s death ‘just awful’, but hit out at those ‘talking rubbish’ in the wake of the tragedy. “There are so many people who’ve made comments so quickly. And it just seems to me that people are somewhere gaining some mileage from this poor fellow’s tragedy, you know, whether it’s to show compassion or to show interest or to show some political stance. So many people are talking rubbish in this nonstop kind of barrage on social media and it’s just embarrassing, really, I think,” he said.
“Out of respect for him, for Sushant’s tragedy, maybe a day of silence or introspection would be a little more becoming than this outpouring of love – an outpouring of love from people who obviously didn’t care about him and people who famously don’t care about anybody else,” he said.
Saif said that the film industry was famously competitive and the pretense of caring for Sushant was an ‘insult’ to him. “I mean, we don’t care about anybody. You know, it’s a very cutthroat line of work. But to pretend that you do care is like the ultimate hypocrisy and I think that’s an insult to the dead, you know, it’s an insult to the soul that’s gone,” he said.
The sudden display of love for Sushant is ‘a little much to digest’ for Saif, who admitted that though ‘nobody really cares in this town’, they want to come across as empathetic to their fans. He added that people writing lengthy social media posts are unlikely to show the same level of love and compassion in real life.
“We live in an age where people write 10 lines for you on Twitter and will walk past you on the street - won’t even touch you or shake your hand. You know, you get wished for your birthday, but people don’t actually call you. There’s no contact,” he said.
There has been talk of Sushant being failed by bigwigs of the film industry. Filmmaker Shekhar Kapur had tweeted after his demise: “I knew the pain you were going through. I knew the story of the people that let you down so bad that you would weep on my shoulder…” Kangana Ranaut shared an angry video, in which she said that the late actor was not given his due as he was an outsider, and was constantly told that he was ‘worthless’.
However, Saif does not completely agree with this. “People are failing people constantly. Everyone talking about him, even those saying who failed you or didn’t fail you is, I think, somewhat exploiting his name. To take any stand at the moment, apart from just sorrow, and just saying that I’m really sad that he had no way out except this - any other comment is somewhere manipulating the situation, I feel. You have come across this as an opportunity to take a shot at somebody, and you’re taking a shot,” he said.
When asked about Bollywood camps having an impact on an actor’s career, Saif said, “These are the wrong comments to make now. I mean, you can say, listen, it’s just really bad, what happened. It’s really sad that this is the only way he could see out. But to blame anybody or to you know, draw these camps out, this is pathetic. I think it’s a function of lockdown plus social media. And it’s sad that film people can’t think beyond films. We will all assume that this terrible thing happened to him because of his films. There is more to life. Maybe he was upset about other things in his life. Maybe it was a personal reason. Maybe it’s nothing to do with films. If you can’t see beyond that, you will put everything on that – the movies you do.”
Saif’s daughter Sara Ali Khan, who made her Bollywood debut opposite Sushant in Kedarnath, was shocked and ‘very, very, very upset’ by the news. “She liked him very much. She was quite impressed with certain aspects of his personality. She told me he was very intelligent, that he could discuss, you know, Jean-Paul Sartre and he could discuss various aspects of philosophy and engineering and that he had learned how to shoot with a bow and arrow left handed, and he was very fit as well as very hard-working, and a good actor,” Saif said, adding that she always talked of him as ‘being a really remarkable person’.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/boll...to-the-dead/story-VxZHecHJWBdMzJTg5YlUtL.html
Thats some brutal honesty from Saif there.
He tells people to stay quiet and then does an entire interview about the lad? Hypocrite. Wasn't he the one supporting nepotism and should nepotism rocks slogans and gave an entire interview about genetics and eugenics supporting the whole nepotism culture?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He loved me so much...I will miss him so much. His energy, enthusiasm and his full happy smile. May Allah bless his soul and my condolences to his near and dear ones. This is extremely sad....and so shocking!! <a href="https://t.co/skIhYEQxeO">pic.twitter.com/skIhYEQxeO</a></p>— Shah Rukh Khan (@iamsrk) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamsrk/status/1272127567944794113?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
"He loved me so much"?
Unlike that dingbat Karan Johar and the prima donna Alia Bhatt SRK gets off a little easy all said and done because he was also an outsider to begin with. Until getting hand in glove with Johar and his ilk.
Quite cringe worthy caption that from SRK bro.
Just rewatched MS Dhoni the Untold Story. Going to rewatch PK tomorrow.
I’m incredibly saddened right now.
A lesson for all outsiders who want to become actors/actresses in Bollywood. Think before you join it. It is one of the worst industry to get into if you have no connections or godfather. I have seen so many youngsters wasting their lives now because of bollywood. 90% of these actors don't give a damn about who dies/lives.
Even if you somehow become an actor and give a hit movie, there are more chances of you losing work and getting depressed than giving back to back hit movies.
It is better to educate yourself, work for someone else or become self employed and stay away from this fakewood.![]()
I don't buy this about no connections or god fathers, lots of successful actors and actresses are those from outside the industry and there are numerous failures who came with connections
Successful or still surviving non industry-non connection Bollywood Stars
Shahrukh Khan
Preity Zinta
Aishwarya Rai
Priyanka Chopra
Siddharth Malhotra
John Abraham
Arjun Rampal
Unsuccesful Film Actors with Godfathers and Connections
Imran Khan
Abhsihek Bachchan
Harman Baweja
Zayed Khan
Fardeen Khan
Tushar Kapoor
Vivek Oberoi (Still struggling)
Ultimately its all about your acting performances, your box office results, your connection with the youth, fan following
Someone like John Abraham who has not delivered a single solo hit smartly diversified to modelling, getting into fitness, owning a sports team and having a clean image and some producers still picked him
I think its also about the quality of your net working. There is a reason why these Bollywood actors and actresses make sure that they attend all Bollywood parties, events because that is the only way you can keep in touch with big name directors, producers, actors to the point where they will pick you. It works the same way in the Corporate World in the west where a lot of hiring is done on a referral basis. If you stay stuck at home and don't meet people, things won't change.
Maybe youngsters or anyone coming into the industry need counseling, guidance on the challenges, highs and lows and how they should be expected to deal with it.
A lesson for all outsiders who want to become actors/actresses in Bollywood. Think before you join it. It is one of the worst industry to get into if you have no connections or godfather. I have seen so many youngsters wasting their lives now because of bollywood. 90% of these actors don't give a damn about who dies/lives.
Even if you somehow become an actor and give a hit movie, there are more chances of you losing work and getting depressed than giving back to back hit movies.
It is better to educate yourself, work for someone else or become self employed and stay away from this fakewood.![]()
I don't buy this about no connections or god fathers, lots of successful actors and actresses are those from outside the industry and there are numerous failures who came with connections
Successful or still surviving non industry-non connection Bollywood Stars
Shahrukh Khan
Preity Zinta
Aishwarya Rai
Priyanka Chopra
Siddharth Malhotra
John Abraham
Arjun Rampal
Unsuccesful Film Actors with Godfathers and Connections
Imran Khan
Abhsihek Bachchan
Harman Baweja
Zayed Khan
Fardeen Khan
Tushar Kapoor
Vivek Oberoi (Still struggling)
Ultimately its all about your acting performances, your box office results, your connection with the youth, fan following
Someone like John Abraham who has not delivered a single solo hit smartly diversified to modelling, getting into fitness, owning a sports team and having a clean image and some producers still picked him
I think its also about the quality of your net working. There is a reason why these Bollywood actors and actresses make sure that they attend all Bollywood parties, events because that is the only way you can keep in touch with big name directors, producers, actors to the point where they will pick you. It works the same way in the Corporate World in the west where a lot of hiring is done on a referral basis. If you stay stuck at home and don't meet people, things won't change.
Maybe youngsters or anyone coming into the industry need counseling, guidance on the challenges, highs and lows and how they should be expected to deal with it.
Diverting a little but Rajkumar was outstanding in that film as well. Another outsider who has had to do a lot of small roles and only now is getting his due.Brother have you seen Kai Po Che? His best film actually. Must watch!
Diverting a little but Rajkumar was outstanding in that film as well. Another outsider who has had to do a lot of small roles and only now is getting his due.
I don't buy this about no connections or god fathers, lots of successful actors and actresses are those from outside the industry and there are numerous failures who came with connections
Successful or still surviving non industry-non connection Bollywood Stars
Shahrukh Khan
Preity Zinta
Aishwarya Rai
Priyanka Chopra
Siddharth Malhotra
John Abraham
Arjun Rampal
Unsuccesful Film Actors with Godfathers and Connections
Imran Khan
Abhsihek Bachchan
Harman Baweja
Zayed Khan
Fardeen Khan
Tushar Kapoor
Vivek Oberoi (Still struggling)
Ultimately its all about your acting performances, your box office results, your connection with the youth, fan following
Someone like John Abraham who has not delivered a single solo hit smartly diversified to modelling, getting into fitness, owning a sports team and having a clean image and some producers still picked him
I think its also about the quality of your net working. There is a reason why these Bollywood actors and actresses make sure that they attend all Bollywood parties, events because that is the only way you can keep in touch with big name directors, producers, actors to the point where they will pick you. It works the same way in the Corporate World in the west where a lot of hiring is done on a referral basis. If you stay stuck at home and don't meet people, things won't change.
Maybe youngsters or anyone coming into the industry need counseling, guidance on the challenges, highs and lows and how they should be expected to deal with it.
Obviously there will be exceptions but for every successful outsider you will find 1000 unsuccessful outsiders. If you don't believe me just visit streets of Mumbai. Even today you will find talented actors sleeping at footpath or living in slums. They all came to Mumbai to become actors but couldn't. This is a very dark industry. Success rate for an outsider is 2-3% here. Smart ones like Sunil Shetty, Ronit Roy do other businesses side by side. Others like Inder Kumar, Sushant, Nafisa Joseph, Kushal Punjabi choose to end their life.
You really are naive if you believe even the names you mentioned don’t have powerful backers, even at the time of their first film.
99% of the time in any industry, it comes down to either “I don’t know” or “I don’t like” that guy.
I think a lot of people are missing the point here.
Sushasnth’s death has nothing to do with the Bollywood industry. What he probably lacked in his life was a soul mate, a partner, who would have helped him go through the lows of his life.
In a lot of careers you have lows. Sports, entertainment, business..you just need someone to be beside you. Its silly to think that a colleague, a fellow businessman or a fellow sports teammate would come to you to console you. It has got to be your life partner or your own inner self or a close family member. Dont blame the industry, oh dont!
I am reading that his ex girlfriend getting engaged drove him through the edge, he lost his manager a few days ago someone he was close too, 6 films of his got shelved in the last 6 months and then you have the COVID-19 lockdown and the uncertainty associated with it. If only he had someone watching over him when all these things piled up over him
Tyson Fury's mental state was such in 2016-17 that the family doctor told his family that he was a suicide risk and not to leave him alone for a second
Yeah it sounds like a lot happened in his life. Its a failure of circumstances really and the people really close to him would be feeling like living in a hell. You think about it, some people are calling him a coward. How stupid! What is more brave a thing to do than to take ones own life. Its a sin of course. Only if Sushant had used this level of bravery to achieve some other feat than to kill himself.
Brother have you seen Kai Po Che? His best film actually. Must watch!
He must have been thinking or planning about it for a while though.The crazy thing is it takes one split moment of madness to take your own life, if someone had been with him and just given him 5 minutes of hope, he might have momentarily come out of that depressed frame of mind and been able to get the energy needed to tackle whatever he was facing. All his loved ones, friends must be remorseful that they weren't with him in his dark moments