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Tailor beheaded in Udaipur for backing Nupur Sharma as murderers post video on social media

Romali_rotti said:
If people like you can finally understand what is right and needed, such as the above statement, then BJP coming into power would have served it purpose.

No more PSEUDO SICKULARISM, or MINORITY APPEASEMENT.

True Secularism, be it Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Jew or whatever else are all treated equally, is what will make India a great nation.
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Fake secularism where laws are applied vindictively against minorities ( and one in particular) will keep India a third world nation.
 
cricketjoshila said:
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You are quick to mention others ethnicities or background. Call Muslims extremists which may be the case, such as this incident but your run away from explaining your views on Hindu extremism. I ask again, do you believe there are Hindu extremists in India and if so how many do you estimate?
 
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KingKhanWC said:
You are quick to mention others ethnicities or background. Call Muslims extremists which may be the case, such as this incident but your run away from explaining your views on Hindu extremism. I ask again, do you believe there are Hindu extremists in India and if so how many do you estimate?
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No there are no Hindu extremists in India. There isn’t any thing equivalent of a crusade or Jihad in India.

There are criminals like in every country maybe a lot more volume due to population but no Pandit is preaching hate from the loudspeakers from temples. Don’t think will ever happen.

I know not the answer you are looking for but that’s the best you will get because it is the truth.
 
India should end this fasad by doing what the French and Macron did.

All religious places should be under surveillance and anyone who preaches hatred or call for violence should be put behind bars permanently. Lets see if BJP and Modi has the guts to do it.
 
Local.Dada said:
No there are no Hindu extremists in India. There isn’t any thing equivalent of a crusade or Jihad in India.

There are criminals like in every country maybe a lot more volume due to population but no Pandit is preaching hate from the loudspeakers from temples. Don’t think will ever happen.

I know not the answer you are looking for but that’s the best you will get because it is the truth.
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That is far from the truth. Only the very deluded or who are part of the problem will deny the existence of Hinduvta extremism.
 
Manunited18 said:
That is far from the truth. Only the very deluded or who are part of the problem will deny the existence of Hinduvta extremism.
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How do you know? You are an expert on India? Weren’t you the same guy who was arguing with me when Taliban took over Afghanistan?

I would have no fake humility in admitting I am definitely a better source on most world matters than the average British Pakistanis with their pusedo knowledge of Indian history and political landscape. Obviously if someone is a PHD scholar on some of these subjects it’s a different matter. Don’t think so.
 
Local.Dada said:
No there are no Hindu extremists in India. There isn’t any thing equivalent of a crusade or Jihad in India.

There are criminals like in every country maybe a lot more volume due to population but no Pandit is preaching hate from the loudspeakers from temples. Don’t think will ever happen.

I know not the answer you are looking for but that’s the best you will get because it is the truth.
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:)))

Perfect title thanks.
 
Manunited18 said:
That is far from the truth. Only the very deluded or who are part of the problem will deny the existence of Hinduvta extremism.
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So how many Hindus are wanted or have been involved in acts of terror in Europe or America or Australia?
 
Champ_Pal said:
India should end this fasad by doing what the French and Macron did.

All religious places should be under surveillance and anyone who preaches hatred or call for violence should be put behind bars permanently. Lets see if BJP and Modi has the guts to do it.
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Why would BJP and Modi want to put half their party permanently behind bars?
 
Local.Dada said:
No there are no Hindu extremists in India. There isn’t any thing equivalent of a crusade or Jihad in India.

There are criminals like in every country maybe a lot more volume due to population but no Pandit is preaching hate from the loudspeakers from temples. Don’t think will ever happen.

I know not the answer you are looking for but that’s the best you will get because it is the truth.
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What??!

Dalits get lynched for drinking water from a Brahman temple in India. How can you claim there is no extremism??!
 
 
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kumjsr said:
Can you tell us what is Brahman temple?

Can you share the incident where dalit was lynched for drinking water from Brahman temple as claimed earlier?

Thanks.
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I’m sure you will find something like that too.
 
Rana said:
I’m sure you will find something like that too.
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Right now it seems like that you just made it up and first called a temple a Brahman temple and then added it to the incident to mock the temple.

It's easy to mock Hindus and their faith, isn't it?
 
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"Sootro ke anusar" meaning "according to our sources" the perpetrators were trained and funded by Pakistan. This is how the Indian media plants seeds of hatred against Muslims and Pakistan. No Indian will ever ask who and where these sources are...those who dare do so will be accused of being anti nationalists. Seeing how Muslim's are being abused regularly it is so very easy for a victim of such humiliation to become an extremist. Old GD Bakshi is tweeting about a fight with Pak...the tea is ready!:hasan
 
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Seen some Indian shows on the murder of this unfortunate man. So the Indian channels have twenty guests in a one hour programme. What we see is no one listens at all to what other people have to say then the shouting and cursing starts! I have a hunch that the RSS could have planted the murder of Kanhaiya so to gain political favour and also more hatred towards the Muslim's.
 
sweep_shot said:
I didn't say anything about the murder. All I said was the tailor didn't seem like a bright individual.
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sweep_shot said:
What kind of idiot would support someone like Nupur Sharma?

The tailor seemed stupid.
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sweep_shot said:
Where did I say that?

All I said was he took a very big risk by supporting someone like Nupur Sharma. He didn't even do it anonymously.
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sweep_shot said:
No. I am not justifying anything.

When people support this type of thing, you expect them to be anonymous. That's Internet 101.
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Zaz said:
Dont you advocate an eye for an eye? You were busy defending bjp supporters saying its fine for them to do what they do because muslims are this and that

So whats the problem here? You cant have your cake and eat it too

If your gonna make excuses for one side then same should apply to other An eye for an eye and let india go blind
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Kroll said:
The other thing is that the issues being brought up in the Nupur Sharma episode, not even the Prophet's (PBUH) most ardent enemies mentioned it. Even enemies of Islam thereafter through the centuries did not see it as anything to attack the Prophet (PBUH) and Muslims. Just look at the history and you will see.

This is something Islamophobes have latched onto in the last few decades about something they don't understand or have full knowledge about. And because of it, innocent people are being killed on both sides.

This was a heinous and despicable act but dare I say, it won't be the last sadly on both sides or any side for that matter.
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PakLFC said:
No defending this act whatsoever. As upsetting as his support for Nupur would be no one has the right to take another's life in such a manner. I would have no complaints if the perpetrators of such a heinous crime met a similar end. Such evil people are not doing Islam or it's believers any favours with such inhuman acts.
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KingKhanWC said:
Bunch of sickos. Murdering someone because they support an extremist, isnt doing yourself any favours.

Its not suprising our Indian residents esp the supporters of extremists themselves are using this to attack a whole religion. Its better for them to figure out the core problem with their 3rd world nation, which is electing Hindu far right extremists into government. Since then India has turned into an extremist hotbed.

Its a ticking time bomb in India, sooner or later there will be even bigger violence maybe on a larger scale than Gujrat. We do have some posters on here who were cheerleading their faith extremists to take to the streets and use force against the minority religions.
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So many people are sure that he supported Nupur Sharma and calling tailor idiot/extremist.

What did he post and how do you guys know that he supported any such view point?

Is this casual support to killers because they are the ones who claim that? Posters are more than willing to believe narrative spread by killers.

Tailor denied sharing video. When he got death threats he even reached an agreement with other side and gave a written note that he doesn't want any action against other side.

Yet he was beheaded.

He should have laid low? He should be anonymous? Posters have already made up their mind that he was a criminal where there are enough doubts. Which poster saw what he shared? How is everyone so sure? Because killers said so?

This type of support for killers is not surprising though.
 
kumjsr said:
So many people are sure that he supported Nupur Sharma and calling tailor idiot/extremist.

What did he post and how do you guys know that he supported any such view point?

Is this casual support to killers because they are the ones who claim that? Posters are more than willing to believe narrative spread by killers.

Tailor denied sharing video. When he got death threats he even reached an agreement with other side and gave a written note that he doesn't want any action against other side.

Yet he was beheaded.

He should have laid low? He should be anonymous? Posters have already made up their mind that he was a criminal where there are enough doubts. Which poster saw what he shared? How is everyone so sure? Because killers said so?

This type of support for killers is not surprising though.
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Doesn't matter what he posted. No insult is a ground for beheading.
 
kumjsr said:
Right now it seems like that you just made it up and first called a temple a Brahman temple and then added it to the incident to mock the temple.

It's easy to mock Hindus and their faith, isn't it?
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Brahman temple indeed. That’s what they are. Brahmans are the elite cast allowed to pray in most sacred way unlike the dalits.

Are you telling me Dalits are allowed to eat and drink the same water that the Brahmans drink in their temples?
 
I’ve cited numerous examples of caste based extremism in Hinduism. Everyone knows how the Brahman’s or the upper castes treat their lower caste brethren. Yet we have guys here who are in denial about it, and say people just like to blame Hinduism for everything!
 
Rana said:
Brahman temple indeed. That’s what they are. Brahmans are the elite cast allowed to pray in most sacred way unlike the dalits.

Are you telling me Dalits are allowed to eat and drink the same water that the Brahmans drink in their temples?
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1. Brahmans, OBC and other castes also pray in temples.

2. I can answer your question if you can share the incident where dalits were lynched for drinking water from a Brahman temple as claimed in your earlier post.

If you just made it up to insult temples, then that post should be deleted by mods.
 
kumjsr said:
1. Brahmans, OBC and other castes also pray in temples.

2. I can answer your question if you can share the incident where dalits were lynched for drinking water from a Brahman temple as claimed in your earlier post.

If you just made it up to insult temples, then that post should be deleted by mods.
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When the heck did a beheading by a muslim thread turn into Hinduism and caste system ?
 
kumjsr said:
So many people are sure that he supported Nupur Sharma and calling tailor idiot/extremist.

What did he post and how do you guys know that he supported any such view point?

Is this casual support to killers because they are the ones who claim that? Posters are more than willing to believe narrative spread by killers.

Tailor denied sharing video. When he got death threats he even reached an agreement with other side and gave a written note that he doesn't want any action against other side.

Yet he was beheaded.

He should have laid low? He should be anonymous? Posters have already made up their mind that he was a criminal where there are enough doubts. Which poster saw what he shared? How is everyone so sure? Because killers said so?

This type of support for killers is not surprising though.
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Hey man, my post was nothing to do with the tailor, I don’t know the story about his social media posts and I don’t support any killers and neither do the other posters you have quoted

So I suggest you stop making serious allegations or you will be reported.
 
Romali_rotti said:
When the heck did a beheading by a muslim thread turn into Hinduism and caste system ?
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Why are people struggling to come to terms with the extreme nature of their religion? Muslims are condemning the abominable act by those two murderers.
 
kumjsr said:
1. Brahmans, OBC and other castes also pray in temples.

2. I can answer your question if you can share the incident where dalits were lynched for drinking water from a Brahman temple as claimed in your earlier post.

If you just made it up to insult temples, then that post should be deleted by mods.
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Not sure about Brahman temple. But, Dalit beating seems frequent in India.

Check these:

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...isiting-temple-in-gujarat/article37229864.ece

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-48265387

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-44517922.
 
Rana said:
I’ve cited numerous examples of caste based extremism in Hinduism. Everyone knows how the Brahman’s or the upper castes treat their lower caste brethren. Yet we have guys here who are in denial about it, and say people just like to blame Hinduism for everything!
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Cast based discrimination, deprivation exists throught large chunk of the country. Even violence happens in several interior pockets of the country both in North and South. Those who are denying either stays in a shell or compulsive liers.
 
Rana said:
I’ve cited numerous examples of caste based extremism in Hinduism. Everyone knows how the Brahman’s or the upper castes treat their lower caste brethren. Yet we have guys here who are in denial about it, and say people just like to blame Hinduism for everything!
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So now racism, discrimination, misogyny, homophobia etc etc are also terrorism?

What next liars and people who cheat on their spouses are also terrorists.

I don’t deny caste based discrimination exists. By the same account in some regions of India even Brahmins are discriminated and attacked, case in point Kashmir, Tamil Nadu and a few other regions.

However a slight difference between Kashmir and TN. In TN anti-brahminism is a result of DMK political movement, in Kashmir the chants were to leave women behind, leave, convert or die. Hope you understand the difference.
 
Days after the Rajasthan police revealed the Udaipur killers' links to a Pakistan-based terror group, cops made another sensational revelation in the case today. One of the killers, Riyaz Akhtari, paid extra money to get a number plate for his motorcycle that read 2611. Police are linking it to the date when Mumbai faced its worst terror attack.

It's the same vehicle the two killers Gos Mohammad and Riyaz Akhtari used to escape after brutally slitting the throat of the tailor Kanhaiya Lal.

This bike with the seemingly sinister registration number RJ 27 AS 2611 is now lying at the Dhan Mandi police station in Udaipur.

Police sources say Riyaz deliberately asked for the number 2611 and paid ₹ 5,000 extra for this number plate. It could provide vital clues into this sinister crime and its planning.

Cops believe the number plate could also be a clue to what was going on in Riyaz's mind as early as 2014. Police sources told NDTV that Riyaz's passport reveals that he visited Nepal in 2014. His mobile data also shows that his phone was used to make calls to Pakistan, they added.

After killing Kanhiya Lal in broad daylight, the two murderers escaped on this bike that is now lying in a police station in Udaipur.

This bike, recovered from Riyaz Akhtari, is part of the police station records.

The two men were trying to escape on this bike when they were caught at a police barricade in the Rajsamand district about 45 km from Udaipur.

Regional Transport Office (RTO) records show that Riyaz Akhtari purchased the bike after taking a loan from HDFC in 2013. The insurance for the vehicle expired in 2014 March.

There were 26 injury marks on the body of Kanhaiya Lal who was murdered on Tuesday by two cleaver-wielding men. The killers filmed the grisly killing and later gloated about it in a video.

There were 26 stab wounds on the body of the 46-year-old tailor who a former IPS officer said was a victim of an "ISIS-type execution". A post-mortem was conducted on Wednesday morning.

As many as 32 officers of the Indian Police Service (IPS), including the Inspector General and Police Superintendent Of Udaipur, have been transferred in the wake of the gruesome murder.

The two accused were produced in court amid heavy security yesterday. The court sent them to judicial custody for 14 days.

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Crowds raised slogans against the two on the Udaipur court premises.

Udaipur continues to be on alert as the curfew imposed after the horrifying crime continues.

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Rana said:
Brahman temple indeed. That’s what they are. Brahmans are the elite cast allowed to pray in most sacred way unlike the dalits.

Are you telling me Dalits are allowed to eat and drink the same water that the Brahmans drink in their temples?
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What the hell is a brahman temple? Is this something new they teach you in pakistan?

You finding new ways to insult Hinduism?
 
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GreenBee said:
It's Brahma temple, the God of creation. Different things.
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What is Brahmanism? Isn’t it the most ‘purest’ form of Hinduism? Is following Hinduism as a religion an equal experience for all Hindus or it depends on the caste that you belong to? Are Dalits not mistreated by Brahmins and upper castes in India for trying to do things which thus are not supposed to do unless they are of a higher caste?
 
Rana said:
What is Brahmanism? Isn’t it the most ‘purest’ form of Hinduism? Is following Hinduism as a religion an equal experience for all Hindus or it depends on the caste that you belong to? Are Dalits not mistreated by Brahmins and upper castes in India for trying to do things which thus are not supposed to do unless they are of a higher caste?
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Dalits are not mistreated in general but there will be cases where they are, India is a big country.

About Hindu terminology and links you posted, you are terribly confused. I expect some poster to write a long paragraph correcting you, so I'll leave it to them.
 
GreenBee said:
Dalits are not mistreated in general but there will be cases where they are, India is a big country.

About Hindu terminology and links you posted, you are terribly confused. I expect some poster to write a long paragraph correcting you, so I'll leave it to them.
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What do the scriptures say about the Shudrs (untouchables) and what should be done to them if they listen to the Vedas??
 
Rana said:
What is Brahmanism? Isn’t it the most ‘purest’ form of Hinduism? Is following Hinduism as a religion an equal experience for all Hindus or it depends on the caste that you belong to? Are Dalits not mistreated by Brahmins and upper castes in India for trying to do things which thus are not supposed to do unless they are of a higher caste?
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Purest form of Hinduism? What are the less purer forms?
 
kumjsr said:
So many people are sure that he supported Nupur Sharma and calling tailor idiot/extremist.

What did he post and how do you guys know that he supported any such view point?

Is this casual support to killers because they are the ones who claim that? Posters are more than willing to believe narrative spread by killers.

Tailor denied sharing video. When he got death threats he even reached an agreement with other side and gave a written note that he doesn't want any action against other side.

Yet he was beheaded.

He should have laid low? He should be anonymous? Posters have already made up their mind that he was a criminal where there are enough doubts. Which poster saw what he shared? How is everyone so sure? Because killers said so?

This type of support for killers is not surprising though.
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Even if he supported Nupur does not mean he deserved to be murdered is the point that is being made. On the contrary people like me are saying that nothing can justify him being killed then how is it casually supporting the perpetrators?

But you know there are so many religious extremists in India from all backgrounds who will do anything to justify their acts. What Kanhaiyalal should have remained quiet on the issue knowing how word gets around so easily these days on social media. Arnab Goswami among many others also supports Nupur yet no one has attacked him or other such people.

It is just a question of some nutcase targeting you then having their way.
 
We know that Muslim's in India are having a very hard time then why would one of them murder a Hindu then show off about it on social media knowing it will only make things even more difficult for his own community? The question is always who gains from all of this? The RSS does.
 
Indian police arrest 'masterminds' behind execution of Hindu tailor: officials

Indian police made fresh arrests in the case of the execution of a Hindu tailor in Rajasthan, a murder that stoked unease between the Hindu majority and Muslim minority, leading to a clampdown on protests and the internet to prevent tensions from escalating.

Three senior police officials said on Saturday that two Muslim men based in the northwestern state were held for allegedly planning the tailor's murder last week in his shop in Udaipur, a popular tourist destination dotted with lakes and palace hotels.

"We have now arrested the two masterminds and previously we had arrested two men who committed the heinous crime," said Prafulla Kumar, a senior police official based in Udaipur.

Kumar said internet services were being gradually restored and security forces continued to be on alert following the murder, allegedly carried out by two Muslim men now under arrest who filmed the act and posted it online.

The alleged perpetrators said the act was in response to the victim's support for a BJP politician Nupur Sharma's derogatory remarks about Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him).

The victim, Kanhaiya Lal Teli, had allegedly put up a social media post supporting the former spokesperson for Prime Minister Narendra Modi's party who made anti-Islam comments in May.

On Friday, judges from the Supreme Court of India stated Sharma must apologise to the whole nation after the remarks intensified religious fault lines in India, angered Muslim nations and triggered diplomatic strains.

In India, at least two demonstrators were killed in police fire during protests against Sharma's comments.

In Afghanistan, militant group Islamic State last month claimed an attack on a Sikh temple that killed at least two people and injured seven was in response to insults levelled at Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in India.

Police in New Delhi arrested journalist Mohammed Zubair, a vocal critic of the Modi government, who had helped draw attention to Sharma's remarks through his fact-checking website Alt News and on social media.

The National Investigative Agency (NIA) — India's top anti-terrorism agency — said they were carrying out a probe in the Hindu tailor's killing.

A senior NIA official in New Delhi said they were questioning Muslims linked with the four suspects in Udaipur to identify whether they had links with militant networks.

Muslims living about 3 kilometres from the tailor's shop where the victim was killed said they felt nervous and feared a social and economic boycott by powerful Hindus residing in Udaipur.

"I know what has been done is barbaric but the community should not be held responsible for the deed of two people," said Mohammad Farukh, a medical representative living in a Muslim-dominated area of the city.

The All India Muslim Personal Law Board called the incident "highly condemnable", adding that it was against both Indian law and Islamic strictures.

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Surprised that, it has not been mentioned so far, but one of the killers Attari was a BJP activist. Wonder what my bjp supporting friends such as [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] has to say about that.
 
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Surprised that, it has not been mentioned so far, but one of the killers Attari was a BJP activist. Wonder what my bjp supporting friends such as [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] has to say about that.
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Lol, sanghis can stoop to any level for their narrow political gains so this should not surprise anybody.
 
MP2011 said:
Lol, sanghis can stoop to any level for their narrow political gains so this should not surprise anybody.
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I was not originally concerned with the above post because it was as expected but now this is scary.

Do you actually think BJP did this inside job to kill the tailor and this has nothing to do with religious fundamentalism of a couple of brainwashed people?

You can oppose Modi/BJP, hate them even but don’t get the hate to blind common sense and logic.

That’s all I can say.
 
Umesh Kohle, a chemist from Amravati was apparently killed by a bunch of jihadis for supporting Nupur Sharma. This happened a week before Kanhaiya Lal murder, but was hushed up due to 'secular' MVA government in the state.

In Kanhaiya Lal case, his long time muslim neighbor Nazim, ratted him out and gave info to the jihadis to carry out the beheading. In the Umesh Kohle case apparently, he had mistakenly sent an ' I support Nupur Sharma ' post in a watsapp group which had some of his muslim friends and customers which fueled his assassination attempt.
 
anikrc1 said:
Surprised that, it has not been mentioned so far, but one of the killers Attari was a BJP activist. Wonder what my bjp supporting friends such as [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] has to say about that.
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He was a BJP supporters friend. I wont be surprised if he attended BJP events too, to perform reece.
 
Local.Dada said:
No there are no Hindu extremists in India. There isn’t any thing equivalent of a crusade or Jihad in India.

There are criminals like in every country maybe a lot more volume due to population but no Pandit is preaching hate from the loudspeakers from temples. Don’t think will ever happen.

I know not the answer you are looking for but that’s the best you will get because it is the truth.
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"Hindutva Leaders at Haridwar Event Call for Muslim Genocide"
https://thewire.in/communalism/hindutva-leaders-dharma-sansad-muslim-genocide

So just to be clear this guy's aren't extremist lol? I can post millions of other links to but it seems like a waste if time.

Btw a couple of years ago, a Hindu man beheaded a Muslim laborer on a Livestream because of "live jihad" , was that extremism or nah?
https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...ecorded-by-14-year-old-nephew-of-the-k/305309
 
Said it before that the RSS are behind the murder of Kanhaiyalal. They instigated the whole thing for political favour otherwise why would an already oppressed community make things even worse for themselves?
 
cricketjoshila said:
He was a BJP supporters friend. I wont be surprised if he attended BJP events too, to perform reece.
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Well there is no way to really know, is there?

Since this guy is still alive, proper questioning by an independent agency could settle this. But under this government, is there any such thing as an independent inquiry.
 
Romali_rotti said:
If people like you can finally understand what is right and needed, such as the above statement, then BJP coming into power would have served it purpose.

No more PSEUDO SICKULARISM, or MINORITY APPEASEMENT.

True Secularism, be it Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Jew or whatever else are all treated equally, is what will make India a great nation.
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If only guys like you can understand I have been talking about it for a long long time now.

My posts back in 2014-15 will reflect it.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
:)))

2013 Muzzafarnagar riots: That resulted in nearly 62 deaths
2012 Assam riots: 77 people were reported to have been killed.
2011 Bharatpur riots: Eight people were killed.
2008 Kandhamal violence : 40+ killed
2008 Dhule riots: 4 people were left dead
2006 Aligarh riots: 5 people were killed due to the violence


Not even mentioned about Sikh Riots which happened to save Indira Axss:)))
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lmao.....good job with the Google work.

Do you even know how to read a post?

I wasn't even talking about riots.

Anyways coming to your point....

Delhi riots is our imagination right?

All the lynchings are our imagination right?

Garlanding the lynchers is OUR imagination right?

Just a cursory glance:

Around 3,400 communal riots took place from 2016-2020: Centre

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...ce-from-2016-2020-centre-101648611989880.html
 
pillionrider said:
Well there is no way to really know, is there?

Since this guy is still alive, proper questioning by an independent agency could settle this. But under this government, is there any such thing as an independent inquiry.
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[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

What happened to the guy who was caught ferrying militants in Kashmir?

The news simply disappeared.

Didn't NIA take over the investigation?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Agreed.And that will happen when parties realise BJP's game. Right now the parties are playing a 80s and 90s play in a 2022 game.

BJP has changed the rules.

The only way is to:

1.Shed Dynasty.
2.Shed Appeasement.
3. Stop corruption.
4. Do development.

Lets see how bjp wins.
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I agree.

Congress thought they will win by default.

BJP pounded them into the ground beyond all hope.

As for corruption, all parties are corrupt.

Its just that their source varies.

Its literally impossible to run a national party with lakhs and crores of cadres without getting funded.

Local parties steal here and there.

BJP gets big donations from corporates.

Funding has dried up for Congress I believe cos no one believes they will come to power.

The current political environment of India is NOT conducive for non corrupt politics.

Eventually that will change but its going to be a long process.
 
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Riyaz Attari, the man who filmed himself brutally murdering a tailor in Udaipur named Kanhaiyal this week to avenge an alleged insult to the Prophet, was described by a local Bharatiya Janata Party and Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh leader as a “dedicated worker of the BJP” in a Facebook post less than two years ago.

Irshad Chainwala and Mohammad Tahir are influential members of the Rajasthan State BJP Minority Morcha and the RSS-promoted Muslim Rashtriya Manch and their Facebook timelines have photographs of Attari posing next to the BJP’s leader in the Rajasthan assembly Gulab Chand Kataria (see above) and senior Udaipur BJP leader Ravindra Shrimali (see below). Other posts show Attari attending BJP events wearing a party scarf and being garlanded by Chainwala and Tahir.

In some of these posts by the two BJP men, Attari, who is easily recognisable, has also been identified by name and described as an activist of the party.

News of the connection between the killer – who has now been charged with terrorist offences by the National Investigation Agency and the Rajasthan Police, along with his accomplice Ghouse Mohammad – was broken by India Today on Friday evening with a headline claiming that the Udaipur duo “may have plotted to infiltrate Rajasthan BJP”.

However, that claim of attempted “infiltration” – which is not sourced to any BJP leader or security official – appears to be the TV channel’s own spin and is belied by the BJP functionaries’ own Facebook posts describing Attari as a party worker. Ordinarily, evidence of such connections with killers ends up damaging the reputation of the politician and party involved. But a whole day after the India Today story, there seems to be little evidence of any media appetite for a follow up.

India Today said that Chainwala admitted knowing Attari and being photographed with him. He said that Attari used to attend BJP events but usually came on his own and was “uninvited”. But he also added, according to the TV channel, that he “got into BJP events” through Mohammad Tahir, “whom [he] described as a party worker.” Sources in Udaipur told The Wire that Tahir is no ordinary worker, given his proximity to Kataria.

Chainwala attempted to distance Attari from his party by claiming, according to India Today, that though “he said he wanted to work with the party… privately, Riyaz was a harsh critic of the BJP… he would oppose the party bitterly in private conversations with friends.”

Curiously, the BJP leader was not confronted with the claim – made in a Faceboook post by fellow member of Udaipur BJP minority cell Mohammad Tahir on November 28, 2019 – that Attari was a “karyakarta”, or activist, of the BJP.

The Wire spoke to Shreemali, who denied meeting Attari or knowing him. He said it is hard to keep track of people in a crowd. He denied Attari had any connection to the BJP but added, “Of course, I am ready to face any investigation.”

Kataria was unavailable when The Wire tried to reach him but he was quoted by News24 as saying he had no connection to Riyaz Attari. “Anyone can come to a public programme.”

In one photograph from November 2018, posted on Chainwala’s Facebook page, Attari can seen standing amongst a group of BJP supporters with Chainwala and Tahir. Attari is the man sixth from the left, wearing a BJP scarf.

A scan of Tahir and Irshad’s social media shows their strong connection with influential leaders of the BJP and RSS. There are several photos of Irshad and Tahir with Kataria, RSS leader Indresh Kumar and other leaders of the Rajasthan BJP.

Tahir and Riyaz Attari have posted meme pictures together and featured in several photos. In the pictures posted above, he and Chainwala can be seen garlanding Riyaz, who had returned from his Umra Pilgrimage from Saudi Arabia in 2019.

Neither Chainwala nor Tahir were available for comment at the time of filing this story.

Apart from Tahir and Irshad, The Wire found that two men, Rohil Pathan and Asalam Hussain, had commented on almost every picture in which Riyaz featured. We found that the two were also linked to the BJP and the Muslim Rashtriya Manch.

Further complicating what had started out as a simple story of two men – followers of the Barelvi sect, one of whom had visited the Dawat-e-Islami markaz in Karachi in 2014 – who had become radicalised to such an extent that they could commit murder on the pretext of opposing blasphemy is the tussle between the Rajasthan Police and the NIA on the terrorist nature of the offence.

On Friday, the Rajasthan Police issued a press note describing as “premature” claims made by unidentified NIA officials in a section of the media that Kanhaiyal’s murder was the product of passion rather than terrorist conspiracy.
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It is dangerous to speculate at this point about the level of political games that go on. But the BJP has such a poor history in recent times, this is not looking good for them. Of course, hardly any media is going to cover this, but it's an old political tactic around the world. Radically different extremist organizations often have secret ties.
 
How is this any different than those cow-rakshak terrorists killing innocent Muslim and chopping them off in open day light? Many such incidents happened against Muslims but they didn't make much of news in India for obvious reasons.

This incident is just the other way around. Killing is regardless wrong and should be punished. Both sides should be treated as such but we all know well posters here who are quite verbal here wouldn't be saying much if it was the other way around. Thus is the reason why India is slipping down with communal unrest because there are majority who love marginalising minority and support terrorism and violence against them...so much for the biggest democracy and being secular when you constantly spread hatred through government, media and social media which only causes divide and unrest. And this comment is in no way supporting what these two mental extremists did to the Tailor.
 
pillionrider said:
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It is dangerous to speculate at this point about the level of political games that go on. But the BJP has such a poor history in recent times, this is not looking good for them. Of course, hardly any media is going to cover this, but it's an old political tactic around the world. Radically different extremist organizations often have secret ties.
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Media should cover speculation by the wire.
 
A few things are very clear now.

- BJP isn't good for India's social fabric. Need strict laws against hate speech and attempts of communal
divide.
- Islamic extremism doesn't know borders, and is a very organized killing machine around the world.
Islamic world needs some anti-radicalization campaigns rather than glorifying blasphemy punishments.
 
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Local.Dada said:
I was not originally concerned with the above post because it was as expected but now this is scary.

Do you actually think BJP did this inside job to kill the tailor and this has nothing to do with religious fundamentalism of a couple of brainwashed people?

You can oppose Modi/BJP, hate them even but don’t get the hate to blind common sense and logic.

That’s all I can say.
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All I can say is don't let your bhakti for sanghis blind you of common sense and logic and think sab changa si in India.

Knowing sanghis well and how they operate (hell society where I live is full of hateful sanghis), I know nothing is beyond their hateful designs.
 
Kriketer said:
How is this any different than those cow-rakshak terrorists killing innocent Muslim and chopping them off in open day light?
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Muslims are the bad guys in Hindustan. The hindu guys are not representative of the generally wonderful Hindu community.
 
I think people need to make their point objectively and that is the essence of any debate. Some posters has made a habbit of randomly type Bhakt, Andh-bhakt, Sanghi etc. in every post of theirs which in real world means nothing but brings down the quality of discussion. It gets very tough then to take part in such discussions and reason with them. Its like you go to any Indian forum and the only response you get is Jihadi, Crazy Islamist etc. You won't like it isn't it?
 
Local.Dada said:
I was not originally concerned with the above post because it was as expected but now this is scary.

Do you actually think BJP did this inside job to kill the tailor and this has nothing to do with religious fundamentalism of a couple of brainwashed people?

You can oppose Modi/BJP, hate them even but don’t get the hate to blind common sense and logic.

That’s all I can say.
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Read this, perhaps your eyes may open a bit,

Lashkar Terrorist Caught In Jammu Was BJP's IT Cell Chief

Srinagar: A wanted Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist captured in Jammu and Kashmir today was an active member of BJP. He was also the party's Minority Morcha social media in-charge in Jammu. Talib Hussain Shah and his accomplice were captured by the villagers in Jammu's Reasi area this morning. Two AK rifles, several grenades and other arms and ammunition was recovered from their possession. They were eventually handed over to the police.

The BJP blamed the system of online membership that is allowing people to join the party without any background check.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/las...t-cell-chief-3123483#pfrom=home-ndtv_bigstory


lol at the bolded part.
 
There you go. No sinister design is beyond these sanghis.
 
pillionrider said:
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It is dangerous to speculate at this point about the level of political games that go on. But the BJP has such a poor history in recent times, this is not looking good for them. Of course, hardly any media is going to cover this, but it's an old political tactic around the world. Radically different extremist organizations often have secret ties.
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To be honest, I am not surprised at all.

Pulawana attack (a false flag op) investigation says all about Indian agencies and their true agendas.

Never forget how Modi the Muslim Killer gained power. Muslims' (and Hindus') blood is dripping from his being.
 
MP2011 said:
Read this, perhaps your eyes may open a bit,

Lashkar Terrorist Caught In Jammu Was BJP's IT Cell Chief

Srinagar: A wanted Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist captured in Jammu and Kashmir today was an active member of BJP. He was also the party's Minority Morcha social media in-charge in Jammu. Talib Hussain Shah and his accomplice were captured by the villagers in Jammu's Reasi area this morning. Two AK rifles, several grenades and other arms and ammunition was recovered from their possession. They were eventually handed over to the police.

The BJP blamed the system of online membership that is allowing people to join the party without any background check.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/las...t-cell-chief-3123483#pfrom=home-ndtv_bigstory


lol at the bolded part.
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Wow!

This is really low from BJP.

Controlled opposition?
 
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WhenSultansBowled said:
Yet another false flag operation. Pulwana attack set the ground for the 370... let's see what this one does.

As soon as that filthy animal barked on national TV; the very carefully elaborated trap was set.

Unfortunately, things will only get worse from this point.

I am sorry for Indian Muslims. I hope they are prepared for a massive cycle of violence. They should leave India asap and if they can't then they should buy weapons and be prepared, that's what I would do. Indian Police will be standing with Hindutva terrorists as they did during Gujarat 2002 massacre. This time Modi the Muslim killer is PM, so the violence will be of exponential scale. Violence is not a matter of if but when. I pray I am wrong.

Awful situation to be in.
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Its remarkable how true this post now seems in light of the recent posts in this thread.
 
BJP deserves all the backlash, they can say what they want but they have used similar tactics [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] ,BJP used this against their opponents and now you guys deserve it.

BJP is scrambling. Also Congress should do something about this if they let this link die down they deserve to be annihilated.
 
LOL so the usual gang trying to cover up the culprits and pinning the blame on BJP...so very predictable.

Reminds of Digvijay Singh's 26/11 is RSS ki Saajish jibe.

The only issue is, that was 2008 and this is India of 2022. Absolutely no one buys such narrative anymore.

Had this been a one off incident, perhaps people would have bought such hypothesis but it is becoming regular occurence.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Turns out one of the men arrested for murdering Umesh Kohle because he supported Nupur, is Dr Yusuf Khan, a very dear friend of Mr Kohle since 2006.<br><br>They were close friends for 16 years; must have laughed, discussed science, medicine, politics over tea a million times. 16 years. <a href="https://t.co/rdJux5qs4K">pic.twitter.com/rdJux5qs4K</a></p>— Anand Ranganathan (@ARanganathan72) <a href="https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/status/1543495311439855616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
"Dear friends" :91:

One a lunatic jihadi, the other a saffron bigot. Is anyone really that surprised at the outcome?
 
If a BJP supporter ever brings in some photo to show a link anymore, I’m going throw the Udaipur photo on their faces.
 
Rajdeep said:
LOL so the usual gang trying to cover up the culprits and pinning the blame on BJP...so very predictable.

Reminds of Digvijay Singh's 26/11 is RSS ki Saajish jibe.

The only issue is, that was 2008 and this is India of 2022. Absolutely no one buys such narrative anymore.

Had this been a one off incident, perhaps people would have bought such hypothesis but it is becoming regular occurence.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Turns out one of the men arrested for murdering Umesh Kohle because he supported Nupur, is Dr Yusuf Khan, a very dear friend of Mr Kohle since 2006.<br><br>They were close friends for 16 years; must have laughed, discussed science, medicine, politics over tea a million times. 16 years. <a href="https://t.co/rdJux5qs4K">pic.twitter.com/rdJux5qs4K</a></p>— Anand Ranganathan (@ARanganathan72) <a href="https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/status/1543495311439855616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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This is not surprising.

Kashmiri Pandits were regularly ratted out by muslim neighbours, many of them old friends. Jihadis cannot be trusted.
 
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