Terrorists and suicide bombers

Yossarian

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Terrorists and suicide bombers don't exist in a vacuum.

There may be genuine personal grievances that may drive an individual into the hands of the terrorist leaders (for example, someone who may have lost close family members as a result of 'collateral damage'), but ultimately, the terrorist groups cannot function and thrive without the knowledge and support (even if it is only tacit support of being sympathetic to the terrorists aims, although not their actions towards achieve those aims) of the local community which harbours them.

Even in Pakistan, where there is terrorism and suicide bombings due to a variety of reasons, such as Sunni versus Shia, religious versus secular, regional independence extremist groups, attacking churches to ferment strife and create problems between Pakistan and christian countries such as the USA, UK....etc., how often do you see the average man condemn such activities? So often, deep down, the common man believes the propoganda of the terrorists and privately agrees with their aims even if they don't agree with the methods employed by the terrorists.

Similarly, even in places like the UK, many of those muslims who are unhappy about foreigners 'attacking muslims in muslim lands' forget that the extremists will use some of these sentiments to radicalise young muslim men to commit violence, either in the UK itself or by going abroad to join the groups fighting the 'foreigners'.

Unless the communities from which the terrorists originate from change their attitudes and stop privately agreeing with the terrorists aims (not neccessarily their actions), terrorism will never be defeated.

Please discuss.
 
There may be genuine personal grievances that may drive an individual into the hands of the terrorist leaders (for example, someone who may have lost close family members as a result of 'collateral damage'), but ultimately, the terrorist groups cannot function and thrive without the knowledge and support (even if it is only tacit support of being sympathetic to the terrorists aims, although not their actions towards achieve those aims) of the local community which harbours them.

The people killed by drone isn't even 10% of what have been killed in all these terrorist attacks..how come they don't go on doing suicide bombings in Waziristan's madrassas?
 
The people killed by drone isn't even 10% of what have been killed in all these terrorist attacks..how come they don't go on doing suicide bombings in Waziristan's madrassas?
Point being?

I can't make out whether you are agreeing or disagreeing with the sentiment expressed in the last paragraph of the OP (see it repeated below). Perhaps you care to elaborate?

Unless the communities from which the terrorists originate from change their attitudes and stop privately agreeing with the terrorists aims (not neccessarily their actions), terrorism will never be defeated.
 
Unless the communities from which the terrorists originate from change their attitudes and stop privately agreeing with the terrorists aims (not neccessarily their actions), terrorism will never be defeated.

Please discuss.

On this point: ignoring the communities from where the terrorists originate for a moment, what is shocking is that so many people from communities who are victims of the TTP have this warm, fuzzy-eyed admiration and sympathy for them
 
On this point: ignoring the communities from where the terrorists originate for a moment, what is shocking is that so many people from communities who are victims of the TTP have this warm, fuzzy-eyed admiration and sympathy for them
I would'nt go quite as far as that. But perhaps, I suspect, there is a deep down agreement with the objectives (but not necessirily the actions to achieve them).
 
Ukrainian Soldier Blows Himself Up With Bridge To Stop Russian Tanks Advancing

https://www.ladbible.com/news/ukrai...-with-bridge-to-stop-russian-tanks-a-20220225

Interesting this chap is being hailed as a hero after his suicide attack.

For the first time Ive seen in UK media/social media suicide attacks being praised and saluted.

Can anyone clear up what the difference is between this attack and an occupied person blowing himself up against occupying troops in Palestine/Iraq or Afghanistan?
 
Mandela was in prison on terrorism charges, and the media brainwashed the masses into believing he was a state-person.

IRA have cause more deaths in the UK, terrorists turned freedom fighters after the GFA.

Let this sink in.
 
Mandela was in prison on terrorism charges, and the media brainwashed the masses into believing he was a state-person.

IRA have cause more deaths in the UK, terrorists turned freedom fighters after the GFA.

Let this sink in.

Agree rank hypocrisy.

When it comes to suicide bombings , I read time and again, there should be no reason to blow yourself up even if you're fighting an enemy. Of course killing civillians in any way is wrong but those who attack Hamas for targetting Israeli troops via suicide bombings are today planning clapping at 8pm outside their houses?

Why the sudden change of heart?
 
https://www.ladbible.com/news/ukrai...-with-bridge-to-stop-russian-tanks-a-20220225

Interesting this chap is being hailed as a hero after his suicide attack.

For the first time Ive seen in UK media/social media suicide attacks being praised and saluted.

Can anyone clear up what the difference is between this attack and an occupied person blowing himself up against occupying troops in Palestine/Iraq or Afghanistan?

Would you really label this as a suicide attack?

Reading the article, poor bloke was setting a bomb, couldn't get away in time and the bridge blew up with him in the vicinity.

How is that akin to someone walking into a restaurant, music concert, hotel, beach etc and just detonating a bomb killing innocent people?

You also kind of answered your own question. Maybe if targets had only ever been military, there would be a lot more sympathy.

I don't care how you frame it. If anyone came into a public place and killed my innocent family/friends etc with a suicide attack, there is no justification whatsoever that would be understandable.

Islam teaches us specifically not to descend into barbarity, even in war. It also teaches how to deal with oppression.

I don't know why people are so quick to descend to the lowest denominator just to point out some hypocrisy.
 
Would you really label this as a suicide attack?

Reading the article, poor bloke was setting a bomb, couldn't get away in time and the bridge blew up with him in the vicinity.

How is that akin to someone walking into a restaurant, music concert, hotel, beach etc and just detonating a bomb killing innocent people?

You also kind of answered your own question. Maybe if targets had only ever been military, there would be a lot more sympathy.

I don't care how you frame it. If anyone came into a public place and killed my innocent family/friends etc with a suicide attack, there is no justification whatsoever that would be understandable.

Islam teaches us specifically not to descend into barbarity, even in war. It also teaches how to deal with oppression.

I don't know why people are so quick to descend to the lowest denominator just to point out some hypocrisy.

Its an interesting discussion.

It was a deliberate act. He decided not to attempt escape or hide but instead choose to blow up killing himself and others.

You are suggesting this is a tactic of war? Sure I agree.

But why does a Hamas suicide bomber who kills Israeli troops is seen as a terrorist but this man a hero?
 
You have to be a Muslim to be a terrorist, that is "official" definition by western countries and some a non-western country.
 
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