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Thanks to Modi & BJP - Kashmir is finally getting the international media coverage it deserves!

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In my life time i have never seen Kashmir getting this much coverage in international media.

Modi and BJP/RSS successfully made it a headline news internationally first in February and now with this blackout and 370. We should be thankful to them for this dumb move.

:bow:
 
The blackout actually backfired and now it's only getting worse
 
Yea even a few guys from work were asking about it a few days ago.

Heck they don’t know jack about south Asia and are the typical inward looking American hicks
 
In my life time i have never seen Kashmir getting this much coverage in international media.

Modi and BJP/RSS successfully made it a headline news internationally first in February and now with this blackout and 370. We should be thankful to them for this dumb move.

:bow:

Then I am guessing that you were not around during Kargil.

Don't be surprised if life is back to normal in a month and most Pakistanis are back to excitedly watching cricket matches and movies
 
The challenge is to keep the attention and that only Kashmiris can do once the communication blackout is lifted that should be their aim.
 
Yeah it's crazy how it's trending on social media and this time a lot of my non-Desi Muslim friends are talking about this.
 
Yeah it's crazy how it's trending on social media and this time a lot of my non-Desi Muslim friends are talking about this.

Social media chatter, people talking, etc. etc. is all noise, none of which brings article 370 back to life.

This is a classic Modi move that blindsided Pakistan. GHQ and Imran are in analysis paralysis. Damned if you do, super damned if you don't.

Modi has extracted a very heavy price from GHQ/ISI for Pulwama. Balakot airstrike and now article 370. Checkmate.
 
Social media chatter, people talking, etc. etc. is all noise, none of which brings article 370 back to life.

This is a classic Modi move that blindsided Pakistan. GHQ and Imran are in analysis paralysis. Damned if you do, super damned if you don't.

Modi has extracted a very heavy price from GHQ/ISI for Pulwama. Balakot airstrike and now article 370. Checkmate.

Again you have mentioned quite categorically that Pakistan state was behind Pulwama. Can you please let me also know where it has been proven likewise either in international court or council. The last I knew was that India alleged that Pakistan was behind the attack but that was it an allegation and not a fact.
 
Social media chatter, people talking, etc. etc. is all noise, none of which brings article 370 back to life.

This is a classic Modi move that blindsided Pakistan. GHQ and Imran are in analysis paralysis. Damned if you do, super damned if you don't.

Modi has extracted a very heavy price from GHQ/ISI for Pulwama. Balakot airstrike and now article 370. Checkmate.

Yes, trees are quite precious with climate change and all.
 
Posted this in other thread but is more relevant here

The timing of this decision will backfire on Modi. This is a time when Taliban has been bought onto the table for peace talks with US and as read earlier the peace treaty has already been drafted and would be signed in next couple of days, perhaps to mark the occassion of Eid this will happen.

I'm very sure once the treaty is signed there will be a lot of media coverage and Trump would be beating his drums really loud and in his speech he would be thankful to Pakistan as well. Pakistan at the center of the peace talks will get international media coverage too. And this time we have Imran at helm who is an excellent ambassador and media loves him. He would take this opportunity to raise this Kashmir concern on a larger scale with international audience. Together with international coverage underway and hopefully Imran pressing this concern internationally too soon, I certainly believe this conflict would get a lot of international coverage that it deserves.

Like 27th Feb, this might not end well for India in terms of optics.
 
Social media chatter, people talking, etc. etc. is all noise, none of which brings article 370 back to life.

This is a classic Modi move that blindsided Pakistan. GHQ and Imran are in analysis paralysis. Damned if you do, super damned if you don't.

Modi has extracted a very heavy price from GHQ/ISI for Pulwama. Balakot airstrike and now article 370. Checkmate.

I think you give the Butcher far too much credit. He’s just a small minded extremist, but I suppose a hero to brainwashed Indian.

Hail Modi
 
Posted this in other thread but is more relevant here

The timing of this decision will backfire on Modi. This is a time when Taliban has been bought onto the table for peace talks with US and as read earlier the peace treaty has already been drafted and would be signed in next couple of days, perhaps to mark the occassion of Eid this will happen.

I'm very sure once the treaty is signed there will be a lot of media coverage and Trump would be beating his drums really loud and in his speech he would be thankful to Pakistan as well. Pakistan at the center of the peace talks will get international media coverage too. And this time we have Imran at helm who is an excellent ambassador and media loves him. He would take this opportunity to raise this Kashmir concern on a larger scale with international audience. Together with international coverage underway and hopefully Imran pressing this concern internationally too soon, I certainly believe this conflict would get a lot of international coverage that it deserves.

Like 27th Feb, this might not end well for India in terms of optics.

The only way this might not end well for India in terms of optics is if India is forced to reinstate article 370. I do not see that happening.

Not in 2019. Not in 2119. Not in 3119. In other words, not in a 100 years. Not in a 1000 years.

I just feel that a lot of Pakistanis have yet not grasped how big a game changer this revocation of 370 is - in terms of ground realities. Just wait and see how every single aspect of Kashmir gets transformed right before our eyes...into a dazzling shining city on the hill in paradise.
 
The only way this might not end well for India in terms of optics is if India is forced to reinstate article 370. I do not see that happening.

Not in 2019. Not in 2119. Not in 3119. In other words, not in a 100 years. Not in a 1000 years.

I just feel that a lot of Pakistanis have yet not grasped how big a game changer this revocation of 370 is - in terms of ground realities. Just wait and see how every single aspect of Kashmir gets transformed right before our eyes...into a dazzling shining city on the hill in paradise.

Where did I mention reinstating the article? I mentioned optics where India collectively looks poor on moral grounds. What I inferred here was that India might face some backlash in terms of publicity from UN which could carry some negative impacts on their chances to be a permanent member of UN security council.

India should realise that its not a super power like US whereby it can commit atrocities and walk away scot-free. There will be repercussions from India's persistence of blackout in Kashmir.
 
Where did I mention reinstating the article? I mentioned optics where India collectively looks poor on moral grounds. What I inferred here was that India might face some backlash in terms of publicity from UN which could carry some negative impacts on their chances to be a permanent member of UN security council.

India should realise that its not a super power like US whereby it can commit atrocities and walk away scot-free. There will be repercussions from India's persistence of blackout in Kashmir.

Friend, I am NOT disagreeing with you at all. All I am saying is that talks of 'optics woptics' is just that. What does that translate to in terms of tangible long term Kashmir gains.

In other words, Modi/India are willing to lose a thousand such 'optics' mumbo jumbo. In a few months, this kettle shall cool down, and on to the next 'breaking news' event the world shall move on. Either another tragedy somewhere on the planet, or another iPhone release with millenials going crazy and sleeping overnight camping outside walmarts, or another conflict erupts some place, etc. etc....you get the template, right.

Closer home, Indians and Pakistanis will be engaged in heated debates about Babar Azam vs. Kohli or some such.

The world moves on.

You mention some very intellectual sounding phrases...'India collectively looks poor on moral grounds'. Like it even means something. Okay, India has tried to do a Mother Teresa for decades on 'moral grounds'. Non state actors came and try to blow the indian Parliament, India 'talked' big, did nothing. What did this 'moral ground' give India? Zero.

India got hit in mumbai by 'non state actors' who butchered people over days. India did not retaliate. What did India get by acting like 'mother Teresa'? Nothing. More attacks. And a world that couldn't care less about India.

So India seems to have learnt a lesson that Pakistan needs to. Which is, do NOT wait for the world to come and achieve your objectives for you. In this world every nation is alone and has to fight its own battles - if it does not have enough oil or white skin.

In other words, if Pakistan wants Kashmir so badly, it must come and get it. Don't be cowardly and send kids with guns across the border. Wear your big boy pants and send your Army like courageous men to get what your feel so strongly is 'morally' yours. And pray that you have the foreign reserves that allows you to fight for more than a day. And that you have a strong foreign office that can get friends to come and help when instead of gaining territories you begin losing Lahore and other locations.

May be difficult since you already have billions of dollars of loans from the IMF, Saudi, UAE, China and Qatar and others.

Just some plain talking.
 
Friend, I am NOT disagreeing with you at all. All I am saying is that talks of 'optics woptics' is just that. What does that translate to in terms of tangible long term Kashmir gains.

In other words, Modi/India are willing to lose a thousand such 'optics' mumbo jumbo. In a few months, this kettle shall cool down, and on to the next 'breaking news' event the world shall move on. Either another tragedy somewhere on the planet, or another iPhone release with millenials going crazy and sleeping overnight camping outside walmarts, or another conflict erupts some place, etc. etc....you get the template, right.

Closer home, Indians and Pakistanis will be engaged in heated debates about Babar Azam vs. Kohli or some such.

The world moves on.

You mention some very intellectual sounding phrases...'India collectively looks poor on moral grounds'. Like it even means something. Okay, India has tried to do a Mother Teresa for decades on 'moral grounds'. Non state actors came and try to blow the indian Parliament, India 'talked' big, did nothing. What did this 'moral ground' give India? Zero.

India got hit in mumbai by 'non state actors' who butchered people over days. India did not retaliate. What did India get by acting like 'mother Teresa'? Nothing. More attacks. And a world that couldn't care less about India.

So India seems to have learnt a lesson that Pakistan needs to. Which is, do NOT wait for the world to come and achieve your objectives for you. In this world every nation is alone and has to fight its own battles - if it does not have enough oil or white skin.

In other words, if Pakistan wants Kashmir so badly, it must come and get it. Don't be cowardly and send kids with guns across the border. Wear your big boy pants and send your Army like courageous men to get what your feel so strongly is 'morally' yours. And pray that you have the foreign reserves that allows you to fight for more than a day. And that you have a strong foreign office that can get friends to come and help when instead of gaining territories you begin losing Lahore and other locations.

May be difficult since you already have billions of dollars of loans from the IMF, Saudi, UAE, China and Qatar and others.

Just some plain talking.

This post is anything and everything but nothing related to the topic being discussed in this thread.

I don't quite get what you mentioned in the bolded part here. You are inferring "Pakistan wanting Kashmir badly", this is not quite true. Pakistan has stated which Imran Khan in recent trip to US also mentioned that neither of Pakistan nor India should have a say in the matters of Kashmir. Only Kashmiri people should have a say in their internal matter. Clearly, India has other ideas.

Your post also suggests that you would be ready to defend any atrocities to come out of this saga as collateral damage, you have already made your mind up for that. If that is the case then perhaps you don'r read much into the type of atrocities that happen or have never witnessed an abuse of power first hand. This is why you feel moral grounds don't carry much weight.
 
You are right.

Even at work a couple of my colleagues asked me about what was going on there. Remember, Americans, in general, have absolutely no clue of what was happening there.
 
Itne bhi interested nahi hue hain Americans as you guys are making it sound or in Texas no one cares, they will get onto it once some Comedy host picks up on it.
 
Yeah, even my Uber driver was asking me about, and the co-passenger chimed in with how India was being a... Psst...

This may have attracted attention in the international media, but the news cycle will flow and this will die down soon. It will come back again when the next time terrorists strike in Kashmir, but with a much weaker emphasis.

I expect this to keep coming back in cycles, with lower amplitudes and longer frequency between each instance. Probably worth taking the hit if the Indian government can now achieve even 50% of what they think they can achieve with this move, and change the status quo.
 
It will backfire if people are killed enmasse. The curfiews, protests are daily occurence there. World has been hearing about Kashmir for 3 decades. Kashmir is not even a main topic on news channels in India or Pakistan. There are floods in India, Maryam Nawaz is arrested and some idiot wants to.marry Kashmiri women. West wasn't interested much in it even last week. There was no condemnation of what India did except in Pakistan. Russia said it's within India's constitutional framework. US said it's India's internal matter. UK and France said nothing. China objected about Ladakh. The rest is just mumbo jumbo about keeping peace at the border and not be trigger happy. Pak leadership must be focussed on FATF. Indian leadership is focussed on next elections, Doval is busy with sheep traders. A handful kashmiris are protesting and it has been peaceful. There weren't millions matching down at the army as a few predicted and many hoped. This will slowly pass as people have their own lives to deal.with. Azadi or not, gotto have food in the plate every day.
 
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Lot of rude and personal posts being deleted - if you post with that style then be ready to be banned also.

Argue your points but dont go overboard.
 
The only way this might not end well for India in terms of optics is if India is forced to reinstate article 370. I do not see that happening.

Not in 2019. Not in 2119. Not in 3119. In other words, not in a 100 years. Not in a 1000 years.

I just feel that a lot of Pakistanis have yet not grasped how big a game changer this revocation of 370 is - in terms of ground realities. Just wait and see how every single aspect of Kashmir gets transformed right before our eyes...into a dazzling shining city on the hill in paradise.

I agree here. Pakistanis are complaining about curfews and basic human rights such as internet but failed to grasp how it has changed the whole scenario regarding kashmir.

Once the infrastructure is placed and economy develops, agitation will die down.

Have to admit. Modi is clever. He chose the perfect time to enforce it. As Pakistani economy is itself in shambles, there's no way it can afford to take other steps than asking others for help.

You like or dislike Modi, but one has to admit, he has the courage.
 
I agree here. Pakistanis are complaining about curfews and basic human rights such as internet but failed to grasp how it has changed the whole scenario regarding kashmir.

Once the infrastructure is placed and economy develops, agitation will die down.

Have to admit. Modi is clever. He chose the perfect time to enforce it. As Pakistani economy is itself in shambles, there's no way it can afford to take other steps than asking others for help.

You like or dislike Modi, but one has to admit, he has the courage.

To make this happen, the following needed to be in place

1) No state government. As per the law, it can only be repealed by the President on the recommendation of constituent assembly. There is no constituent assembly anymore. So, state assembly was supposed to be it's replacement. There is no state assembly for the past year or so.

2. President. I doubt if Pranab Mukherjee would have agreed to this. BJP needed a puppet president.

3. President's rule in Kashmir- It appears the law that allows Presidents rule, an emergency law also states that in the absence of a state government, the Parliament can take it's place. This is the major factor as state government wouldn't have allowed this.

4. Votes in Upper house. BJP made noise about 370 and 35a in 2014 as well but they did not have any votes. It wouldn't have passed. They don't have majority even now but the regional parties unaffiliated with BJP voted along with BjP passing the bill.

5. Modi's incredible victory- If BJP formed a coalition government instead of bagging an absolute majority, this would have been impossible. Nitish always insisted that he is not for repealing 370. The regional parties from AP or UP wouldn't have gone along with BJP. All these regional parties didnt want to go against popular sentiment after Modi's incredible victory-.

5. Nationalist campaign before elections- Economy was going south and even 10 months before elections, exit polls suggested around 160 to 180 seats for BJP. The only reason BJP won a resounding victory was because of the nationalist campaign that was distinct compared to the campaign in 2014 that was run on economy.
6. Issues within UNSC countries : US has internal issues with immigration, they have trade wars with China, they are trying to get out of Afg. US policy under Trump was to look for US interests at the cost of even eroding their leadership in world affairs. Backing out of climate deal, trade deals were unprecedented. US is trying to build coalitions with several countries to police the world instead of going alone. They have identified India as their partner in Asia to keep China in check. UK is dealing with Brexit issues. China is dealing with trade war and is increasingly looking at India to fill part of the trade deficit. OBOR started spectacularly but countries are concerned about debt traps and it has lost steam to a certain extent. France and Russia have been vocal in their friendship with India for a while. There was not going to be any resistance from these countries for 370 repeal.

7. Pakistan's financial weakness and Gilgit order in 2018. Pakistan has been in financial strife for a few years and can't bear the cost of war for a region they claim disputed but never claimed ownership in their constitution. Pak PMs order in 2018 to claim Gilgit as a province was a surprise considering Pak's claim of that area to be in disputed status until then. Pak's objection to 370 repeal seems hypocritical with that order.

8. CPEC. Financial burden on Pak and at this critical juncture is a headache for Pak. Any bond they sell or loan they seek, the onus is on Pak to show that it's not towards interest payments of CPEC. This antoganized India to no end as Pak was allowing a 3rd country to build and control the disputed region. This also is the reason why China isn't going to object much to 370 repeal. This is the reason why Pak wanted to elevate Gilgit's status to a province to make China happy.

9.False flags and dry runs. Is Pulwama a false flag? Yes and no. Did India kill it's own soldiers to test Pak's capability? Or did Modi take advantage of the situation? Either way, a situation was created that an extraordinary response was needed. Did Modi attack Pakistan to see how Pak would react as a dry run to guage the response for a future 370 repeal? If Pak doesn't wage a war for an attack in their own country, will they do because of Kashmir? While Pakistanis were mature and celebrated the pilot's capture, one thing was certain. This was not the old India that was a coward. India lost credibility with claims of 300 terrorist deaths and the pilot capture but BJP and Modi got what they wanted. They found Pakistan's threshold and there is no denying that it won Modi the election. It also helped India in stregnthening their case against Pak regarding FATF.

10.Modi. It's obvious that any other leader doesn't have the guts to do this. The troika of Modi, Shah, Doval have been planning this for years and the strike was swift and shocking. Intelligence agencies across the world had no idea. There is no chance better than this. This was a perfect storm of epic proportions. This will not only solidify Modi's base but has totally demoralized the opposition.

So what's next? The 'butcher' of Gujarat as his enemies call him has a second chance. History will judge Modi on how he will deal Kashmir after his Godra reputation. It will be a case of redemption if he can be successful in integrating Kashmir. J&K is no more a disputed land. India has time and means to make this happen. There is no international pressure.The only way in for Pakistan is if there is stupidity on the Indian side. Mass killings, rapes will lead this to a disaster for India. RSS has taken a strong hold of the country and they are not stupid. With opposition at it's weakest, RSS has a chance to be in power for a decade. Uniform civil code is next. India will not touch Azad Kashmir. However, in a decade or two I expect India to make a move on Gilgit to gain acceas to Afg and Central Asia. It again depends on another perfect storm.
 
[MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION] adding to above, soon....

1. Media will move from kashmir to am another issue in another part of the world.
2. Keyboard warriors will move away from kashmir (as it will get boring after few days unless something drastic happens) and will concentrate on some other Indian issues to take cheap shots. As one can already see, the replies from those posters are getting lower and lower.... (someone also put a petition to discuss in the uk parliament I think but can't find that thread now)
3. Rest countries have too much on their hands to create an agenda for kashmir.

Meanwhile, India will try to blend kashmir in to the main stream. It's about time it should happen.
 
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