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The Azhar Ali - Mohammad Hafeez Partnership in the India v Pakistan game (June 4th)

JibranAnsari

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Hafeez Joins azhar in 13th over(12.2) when the score was 61-2 and rrr was 8.02 and the partnership was broken in 21st (20.5) over of the match after adding 30 runs( hafeez 16(26) , Azhar 13(25) ) to the total in 51 deliveries and left the other batsmen to chase at 9.85 rpo. What kind of partnership was this while chasing 8 runs an over?
 
Hafeez Joins azhar in 13th over(12.2) when the score was 61-2 and rrr was 8.02 and the partnership was broken in 21st (20.5) over of the match after adding 30 runs( hafeez 16(26) , Azhar 13(25) ) to the total in 51 deliveries and left the other batsmen to chase at 9.85 rpo. What kind of partnership was this while chasing 8 runs an over?

That was them playing their best.

What do you want people to say?

They purposely played slow.

That was their limitation.

If anything, this partnership showed why Pakistan team needs to get rid of every single player who can't play at 100 SR.
 
That was them playing their best.

What do you want people to say?

They purposely played slow.

That was their limitation.

If anything, this partnership showed why Pakistan team needs to get rid of every single player who can't play at 100 SR.

That is pretty much every in our team right now - even Babar and Imad have a SR less than 95.
 
That was them playing their best.

What do you want people to say?

They purposely played slow.

That was their limitation.

If anything, this partnership showed why Pakistan team needs to get rid of every single player who can't play at 100 SR.

I dont know , we are trying to make our point using many threads but when arthur says that hafeez is excellent at number 4 and azhar can tackle the non existent swing and seam on english phattas it really boils my blood.
 
but but but Azhar played a good innings. People just don't understand modern ODI needs set batsman to keep rotating the strike and Azhar is the worst player when it comes to rotating the strike even in tests. He is not some Gayle that he will keep hitting big sixes to make up for his tuk tuk.
 
First guy to be thrown out should be Shahzad.
Then Hafeez
Then Azhar

Ideally all 3 at once. And a no-entry notice should be put up on the NCA Lahore and PCB for these 3 fraudsters. Pfff, enough!
 
Hafeez Joins azhar in 13th over(12.2) when the score was 61-2 and rrr was 8.02 and the partnership was broken in 21st (20.5) over of the match after adding 30 runs( hafeez 16(26) , Azhar 13(25) ) to the total in 51 deliveries and left the other batsmen to chase at 9.85 rpo. What kind of partnership was this while chasing 8 runs an over?

What about Aggressive Ahmed Shehzad scoring 12 runs of 22 balls?
 
What about Aggressive Ahmed Shehzad scoring 12 runs of 22 balls?

Yah that too ,but azhar was 36 off 33 at one stage and he score 24 of his next 32 deliveries when runrate was exceeding 8? Makes sense to you?
 
Azhar's issues are well known, but I will say this, that despite Shehzads cowardly batting these two have better judgment of quick singles. Hafeez on the other hand is a poor runner and has poor judgment as well of a quick run. It's no surprise that when Hafeez came to bat, the running slowed down. Azhar went from a run a ball to 60%.
 
That is pretty much every in our team right now - even Babar and Imad have a SR less than 95.

He is talking about ability to score at 100 strike rate when needed, not overall strike rate.
 
So many threads stating the obvious, if you can't accelerate in modern day cricket you don't deserve to be in a top side..

Kohli, sharma, dhawan all start a bit slow but they can accelerate to 150+ SR by the time the innings end..

Who in Pakistan team can accelerate like that?

Then you need power hitters who when in form can hit a 50 off 30 in last 8 overs.. Yuvi and Dhoni when in form have that capability, who in Pakistan has that capability??

Then finally you need a player who can occasionally come in and hit a 20 off 6 ball type knock, a blind slogger like Afridi used to be.. Pandya is that for India, who does Pakistan have??

Overall the entire batting line up is out dated, Babar Azam needs to consider Kohli as his idol and learn dedication and hard work from him and he can become a top player.. Otherwise he will remain a mediocre player compared to the best of the world..
 
Both players were trying to prove to each other who was the better dot ball king! pathetic batting from two pathetic TTF ODI batsmen.
 
Azhar is limited. Hafeez is selfish + limited like Shehzad.

Said it all In a nutshell.

Just disgusting selections coupled with disgusting attitudes.

Hafeeez was not even giving bowling so don't know what's the point of him now.
 
That is pretty much every in our team right now - even Babar and Imad have a SR less than 95.

By saying so u want to save shehzad the bottler in ICC tournaments.
No team has batsmen who have strike rates above 100. Simple is to select players who has 85+ SR and get rid of those who are below 80. Below 80 SR is not acceptable in modern day game.
 
Didn't we all know that Azhar shehzad hafeez if played in top 4 will eat balls and bat slow. Also if wahab bowls he will give away 10 runs an over. very simple not rocket science. If MA and SA can't realise this simple stuff then they are not good enough.
 
I won´t deny that bowling too has become an issue, but this is an era of batting - hitting, slogging, aggression etc. - so in my view it´s batting that needs to be sorted out and should be the top priority. The bowling will follow on its own once the batsmen become capable of putting up 320s on the board, or even chasing. This will automatically allow the bowlers some space and freedom. The constant pressure of either restricting the opposition under 240 or defending the same kind of totals is asking too much of the bowlers in the era that we´re in.

As for batting, you know, dot balls aren´t an issue in my opinion. Dhoni is known for taking time to get set, as is Kohli or Steve Smith for example, but my problems is the absolute lack of plan or a vision on the batsmen´s part. They neither play aggressively, nor preserve their wicket. It´s like, a flood of dot balls then mindless heaves until one of them finally finds the fielder. Initial dot balls aren´t an issue if the batsman has a plan, but it´s never like that.

Yesterday for example, there was a point where Pakistan required 266 in 35 overs or something. A huge ask no doubt, but an attempt should´ve been made by breaking down the total in periods of play. If you don´t have Maxwells, de Villiers, Buttlers etc. to hit from ball one, no complaints, but at least try to get set and then launch. I was for example thinking of getting the first 66 runs off the 10 overs, which wouldn´t have been too much of an ask and which would´ve allowed them to preserve their wicket too, and then the next 100 of the next 15 overs, again not a mountain to climb at all as singles and doubles coupled with the occasional boundary would´ve got them there without taking too many risks, and then they could´ve hunted for the last 100 runs in the remain 10 overs with eight or seven wickets in hand.

Easier said than done of course, but was there an option other than going for the score? Did the think-tank have any such plans? Probably not! This is the problem.
 
How can you expect Hafeez to do any better when he has a decade long track record of pure mediocrity.

How can you expect a 35 year old to turn it around. Should have been dumped after he got caught chucking.
 
That was them playing their best.

What do you want people to say?

They purposely played slow.

That was their limitation.

If anything, this partnership showed why Pakistan team needs to get rid of every single player who can't play at 100 SR.

Unfortunately, on the list of players who don't average more than SR 100 in international ODIs
we find not only Hafeez and Azhar but also Virat Kohli, ABDV, Quinton De Kock, Hashim Amla,
and David Warner.

Really, the ODI team won't get any better by fuddling how ODI scoring actually works. Its 50 overs, not a T20 highlights clip.
 
Unfortunately, on the list of players who don't average more than SR 100 in international ODIs
we find not only Hafeez and Azhar but also Virat Kohli, ABDV, Quinton De Kock, Hashim Amla,
and David Warner.

Really, the ODI team won't get any better by fuddling how ODI scoring actually works. Its 50 overs, not a T20 highlights clip.

Yes in an ideal world a batsmen with SR of 80 can function effectively in ODI.

However in Pakistan an 80 SR batsmen usually is inept or unable to rotate strike.

Hence the suggestion for SR over 100.

If you can find 5-6 batsmen in Pakistan who can rotate the strike and also have SR of 85-90 then I would have them in the team.

Unfortunately, they don't exist.
 
I won´t deny that bowling too has become an issue, but this is an era of batting - hitting, slogging, aggression etc. - so in my view it´s batting that needs to be sorted out and should be the top priority. The bowling will follow on its own once the batsmen become capable of putting up 320s on the board, or even chasing. This will automatically allow the bowlers some space and freedom. The constant pressure of either restricting the opposition under 240 or defending the same kind of totals is asking too much of the bowlers in the era that we´re in.

As for batting, you know, dot balls aren´t an issue in my opinion. Dhoni is known for taking time to get set, as is Kohli or Steve Smith for example, but my problems is the absolute lack of plan or a vision on the batsmen´s part. They neither play aggressively, nor preserve their wicket. It´s like, a flood of dot balls then mindless heaves until one of them finally finds the fielder. Initial dot balls aren´t an issue if the batsman has a plan, but it´s never like that.

Yesterday for example, there was a point where Pakistan required 266 in 35 overs or something. A huge ask no doubt, but an attempt should´ve been made by breaking down the total in periods of play. If you don´t have Maxwells, de Villiers, Buttlers etc. to hit from ball one, no complaints, but at least try to get set and then launch. I was for example thinking of getting the first 66 runs off the 10 overs, which wouldn´t have been too much of an ask and which would´ve allowed them to preserve their wicket too, and then the next 100 of the next 15 overs, again not a mountain to climb at all as singles and doubles coupled with the occasional boundary would´ve got them there without taking too many risks, and then they could´ve hunted for the last 100 runs in the remain 10 overs with eight or seven wickets in hand.

Easier said than done of course, but was there an option other than going for the score? Did the think-tank have any such plans? Probably not! This is the problem.

I don't see what you mean by 'priority'? You prioritize when you are limited by time or resources.
Are you suggesting there is some kind of tradeoff in selection or youth development? Money for bowling
coaches takes away from money for batting coaches? I'd imagine that a team that has *the worst ODI
bowling in the world* in the past 5 years can't really afford to rest on its laurels when it comes to bowling.
Also, didnt it used to be that when you kept runs down or took wickets your batsmen had to score less?
It really doesnt matter if you have batsmen that can chase 320 or what not if your bowling gives up 370,
as seemed eminently possible if India had had another 2 overs in the last game.
 
Yes in an ideal world a batsmen with SR of 80 can function effectively in ODI.

However in Pakistan an 80 SR batsmen usually is inept or unable to rotate strike.

Hence the suggestion for SR over 100.

If you can find 5-6 batsmen in Pakistan who can rotate the strike and also have SR of 85-90 then I would have them in the team.

Unfortunately, they don't exist.

No not in an ideal world. SR 80-85 * on average * is useful in the real world if the player in question
is consistent. Shezzy's problem is that he can do that in domestics but not in internationals. Sarfarz
and Malik and Babar are fast enough in internationals but the team needs a few players who can bat
around them at a faster click.
 
I don't see what you mean by 'priority'? You prioritize when you are limited by time or resources.
Are you suggesting there is some kind of tradeoff in selection or youth development? Money for bowling
coaches takes away from money for batting coaches? I'd imagine that a team that has *the worst ODI
bowling in the world* in the past 5 years can't really afford to rest on its laurels when it comes to bowling.
Also, didnt it used to be that when you kept runs down or took wickets your batsmen had to score less?
It really doesnt matter if you have batsmen that can chase 320 or what not if your bowling gives up 370,
as seemed eminently possible if India had had another 2 overs in the last game.

By "Top priority", more or less, I mean to say that it´s the batting that needs a complete revamp, from A to Z, with the exception of Babar and Sarfraz. The current set of bowlers available in the squad can still be stuck with, except that an oath should be taken from the think-tank to never play Wahab again. Imad is usually economical and does his job, Junaid can be considered for a longer run, Hassan and Shadab look to be good prospects for the future, and Amir cannot be dropped based on not striking as often as is expected of him. He´s decent and tight.

But it´s no secret that a lot of these options bowl as if they haven´t been updated. Hitting in the slog overs has turned upside down in the recent years and the bowlers need to put in a lot of thought before delivering the ball. Short-pitched bowled in the death overs for example is a no-go area.
 
By "Top priority", more or less, I mean to say that it´s the batting that needs a complete revamp, from A to Z, with the exception of Babar and Sarfraz. The current set of bowlers available in the squad can still be stuck with, except that an oath should be taken from the think-tank to never play Wahab again. Imad is usually economical and does his job, Junaid can be considered for a longer run, Hassan and Shadab look to be good prospects for the future, and Amir cannot be dropped based on not striking as often as is expected of him. He´s decent and tight.

But it´s no secret that a lot of these options bowl as if they haven´t been updated. Hitting in the slog overs has turned upside down in the recent years and the bowlers need to put in a lot of thought before delivering the ball. Short-pitched bowled in the death overs for example is a no-go area.

Got it. Though I couldn't disagree more re Junaid.
 
If this was the best they could have done then both of them need to be dropped immediately.

We need to find batsmen who can score according to the match situation. If we can't find such batsmen then we need to invest in new talent that has potential of be able to bat according to the match situation. If we keep giving one dimensional senior players preference over new talent then we'll get the same results. I rather invest in new talent and lose matches in hopes they will learn and develop their skills rather than continue to give senior players those opportunities. If they haven't learned how to conduct a run chase after playing 10+ years of cricket chances are they will never learn.
 
We are paying Mickey Arthur top dollar and this is what he gives us. Azhar, Shehzad and Hafeez in the top four.
 
By saying so u want to save shehzad the bottler in ICC tournaments.
No team has batsmen who have strike rates above 100. Simple is to select players who has 85+ SR and get rid of those who are below 80. Below 80 SR is not acceptable in modern day game.

Then you are forced to get rid of everyone except Babar, Imad and Sarfraz.

That is simply not practical in Pakistan cricket.
 
Then you are forced to get rid of everyone except Babar, Imad and Sarfraz.

That is simply not practical in Pakistan cricket.

Yes of course. Also add Malik to the list as he has a better SR since his comeback to int'l cricket. The remaining lot is Azhar hafeez and shehzad so get rid of them and bring in haris fakhar and not Umar Amin and Sami aslam who showed in pak cup they can play faster.
 
The partnership is still annoying me , how could you do that? Total lack of intent , if you are not getting quick runs you get out but that partnership was totally senseless.
 
The partnership is still annoying me , how could you do that? Total lack of intent , if you are not getting quick runs you get out but that partnership was totally senseless.

Why wouldn't they do that? Scoring a 50 keeps them in the team. It was totally out of their capabilities to win the match and they knew that.
 
Hafeez Joins azhar in 13th over(12.2) when the score was 61-2 and rrr was 8.02 and the partnership was broken in 21st (20.5) over of the match after adding 30 runs( hafeez 16(26) , Azhar 13(25) ) to the total in 51 deliveries and left the other batsmen to chase at 9.85 rpo. What kind of partnership was this while chasing 8 runs an over?

its called " apna kaam banta, bhaad mein jaye janta'
its a hndi phrase u c change into urdu if dont understand.
 
its called " apna kaam banta, bhaad mein jaye janta'
its a hndi phrase u c change into urdu if dont understand.

I understand urdu , but this is still baffling. A rrr of 8 and you go at 3.5 an over for 8 and a half overs when only 29 overs are left in the innings.
 
I dont know , we are trying to make our point using many threads but when arthur says that hafeez is excellent at number 4 and azhar can tackle the non existent swing and seam on english phattas it really boils my blood.

Maybe Arthur;s judgement is clouded by other players he's coached in his past, who might be slow generally, although good but still had the ability to hit out when the situation demanded.
 
I understand urdu , but this is still baffling. A rrr of 8 and you go at 3.5 an over for 8 and a half overs when only 29 overs are left in the innings.

exactly the answer is thr for you... they want to save thr place first in the team.. winning or loosing comès second.
 
The partnership is still annoying me , how could you do that? Total lack of intent , if you are not getting quick runs you get out but that partnership was totally senseless.

Rewind 4 years,,, if it wasn't for 'his' fifty we would not even reach 150...
 
And both manage to keep their places.. I dont know after that partnership they could be retained.
 
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