The Beast from the East

[DeadBall]

Usually it is 8-12 degrees Celcius here this time of the year but thanks to global warming the past week has been horrid. I went shopping for an hour or so and the plastic water bottle in my car was frozen by the time I came back. So who else has been affected by it.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Global Warming? It's called climate change after the Global Warming was debunked.

 

[IMMY69]

-6 in North London but feels like -10...

 

[TM Riddle]

Global warming debunked

 

[R3verse Swing]

Former NOAA Scientist Confirms Colleagues Manipulated Climate Records

https://science.house.gov/news/pres...nfirms-colleagues-manipulated-climate-records

Enjoy!

 

[R3verse Swing]

The biggest contribution to Climate Change, is Live stock. Yes you read this correctly. Cows in particular. Methane.

Look it up!

 

[TM Riddle]

I am of firm belief that Earth is held up by a giant tortoise and earthquakes are produced when the turtle shake it up a little bit. Look it up it's all over internet.

 

[DeadBall]

Global Warming? It's called climate change after the Global Warming was debunked.

It is actually global warming that caused this because usually at this time of the year there is a large a polar vortex, a mass of cold air that moves the air from west to east. But due to the melting caps the the hotter air is much lighter of course and has forced the colder, lower air to move in the opposite direction.

But all that doesn't matter as long Trump debunked it and you (like him) are suffering from very severe personal biases and problems.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It feels really cold here -6 in Bham.

 

[R3verse Swing]

It is actually global warming that caused this because usually at this time of the year there is a large a polar vortex, a mass of cold air that moves the air from west to east. But due to the melting caps the the hotter air is much lighter of course and has forced the colder, lower air to move in the opposite direction.
But all that doesn't matter as long Trump debunked it and you (like him) are suffering from very severe personal biases and problems.

Save the science lesson.

Global Warming would indicate a constant rise in temperature. Meaning getting hotter. This does not explain why we are witnessing sub-zero temperatures in Feb/March.

This is precisely why the term Global Warming was replaced with Climate Change. Now you can debate what causes climate change, but anyone who understands climate will tell you, there is one factor that influences the climate on Earth. Can you guess which it is? I will save you the bother, The SUN!

Climate change has nothing to do with personal biases.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What really annoys me in this weather is the driving! People slow right down to a speed you can walk and when they do drive they take up both lanes. What is even worse is learners are still on the road, I was stuck behind one for almost 5 mins!

 

[R3verse Swing]

Thanks no problem.

What really annoys me in this weather is the driving! People slow right down to a speed you can walk and when they do drive they take up both lanes. What is even worse is learners are still on the road, I was stuck behind one for almost 5 mins!

2.5 Miles today in 55 minutes!

Damn those Snowflakes!

LOL!

 

[TM Riddle]

It is actually global warming that caused this because usually at this time of the year there is a large a polar vortex, a mass of cold air that moves the air from west to east. But due to the melting caps the the hotter air is much lighter of course and has forced the colder, lower air to move in the opposite direction.

But all that doesn't matter as long Trump debunked it and you (like him) are suffering from very severe personal biases and problems.

I doubt he's ever going to get the polar vortex concept.
Basically Polar Vortex is formed when upper atmospheric low pressure air is trapped by the polar night jet stream and the air is held up in that region for a considerable time period. This makes the air extremely cold and leads to formation of clouds in the stratosphere known as Polar stratospheric clouds which btw are just across the tropopause. Thus till jet stream is strong the polar vortex is also said to be strong.
GLOBAL WARMING is the single biggest factor leading to the weakening and thus expansion of polar vortex which leads to cold winds descends to the lower latitudes and blowing towards the sub polar low and thus causing sudden drop in temperature making the region extremely cold. This is exactly what's happening in the mid latitudes right now.

 

[TM Riddle]

Thanks no problem.

What really annoys me in this weather is the driving! People slow right down to a speed you can walk and when they do drive they take up both lanes. What is even worse is learners are still on the road, I was stuck behind one for almost 5 mins!

It's basically the weakening of polar vortex which has led to this mess.

 

[KingKhanWC]

2.5 Miles today in 55 minutes!

Damn those Snowflakes!

LOL!

Oh no lol. Hope you have a good music collection to pass the time.

Countries such as Canada, Russia and Norway etc see much more snow but have minimal disruption, yet we in the UK are at a stand still.

 

[Pakistanian]

The climate changes in cycles, we're in a warming period right now, this comes after the little ice age.

 

[TM Riddle]

Save the science lesson.

Global Warming would indicate a constant rise in temperature. Meaning getting hotter. This does not explain why we are witnessing sub-zero temperatures in Feb/March.

This is precisely why the term Global Warming was replaced with Climate Change. Now you can debate what causes climate change, but anyone who understands climate will tell you, there is one factor that influences the climate on Earth. Can you guess which it is? I will save you the bother, The SUN!

Climate change has nothing to do with personal biases.

Do you even know about the upper atmospheric circulation , formation of rosby waves and jet streams and the polar vortex concept which is the root cause behind this problem?
Can't believe people could be this ignorant in this age!

 

[R3verse Swing]

Oh no lol. Hope you have a good music collection to pass the time.

Countries such as Canada, Russia and Norway etc see much more snow but have minimal disruption, yet we in the UK are at a stand still.

I had LBC radio and James O'Brien.

Canada, Russia, and Norway are most certainly prepared for snow, but UK on the other hand is one of the few countries in the world where one can experience all 4 seasons, in a day!

UK must be the only country I know of where when it rains there is a train signal junction on fire - like LOL what?

 

[R3verse Swing]

Do you even know about the upper atmospheric circulation , formation of rosby waves and jet streams and the polar vortex concept which is the root cause behind this problem?
Can't believe people could be this ignorant in this age!

The Earth's ozone hole is shrinking and is the smallest it has been since 1988

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-its-been-since-1988/?utm_term=.5c4a2f1fbfaf

Good night, and sleep tight!

 

[TM Riddle]

The Earth's ozone hole is shrinking and is the smallest it has been since 1988

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-its-been-since-1988/?utm_term=.5c4a2f1fbfaf

Good night, and sleep tight!

) Ozone hole
Who did even mention the Ozone hole? I'm asking you about the jet streams and their role in the upper atmospheric weather change. As expected no answer.
Not surprised though.
Oh and btw ever heard of Vienna convention and Montreal protocol? That might answer your Ozone hole query.
A fifth grader wouldn't be this stupid lol

 

[R3verse Swing]

) Ozone hole
Who did even mention the Ozone hole? I'm asking you about the jet streams and their role in the upper atmospheric weather change. As expected no answer.
Not surprised though.
Oh and btw ever heard of Vienna convention and Montreal protocol? That might answer your Ozone hole query.
A fifth grader wouldn't be this stupid lol

This child is great.

Ozone loss is biggest factor in jet stream shift

http://www.futurity.org/ozone-loss-is-biggest-factor-in-jet-stream-shift/

Ozone depletion trumps greenhouse gas increase in jet-stream shift

http://news.psu.edu/story/142524/20...umps-greenhouse-gas-increase-jet-stream-shift

He talks about Jet streams but does not understand the correlation with Ozone. Switches to protocols instead. Understand the basics, science, before clutching to politics.

As they say, education is the silver bullet.

Cough Cough.

Next please.

 

[TM Riddle]

This child is great.

Ozone loss is biggest factor in jet stream shift

http://www.futurity.org/ozone-loss-is-biggest-factor-in-jet-stream-shift/

Ozone depletion trumps greenhouse gas increase in jet-stream shift

http://news.psu.edu/story/142524/20...umps-greenhouse-gas-increase-jet-stream-shift

He talks about Jet streams but does not understand the correlation with Ozone. Switches to protocols instead. Understand the basics, science, before clutching to politics.

As they say, education is the silver bullet.

Cough Cough.

Next please.

Chhotu I think you need to read the content in the links you provided yourself instead of just glancing through the title and copy pasting it here.
Oh and re the conventions and protocols , Montreal protocol is the single biggest reason behind countries curbing on release of CFCs and HCFCs which were chief chemicals behind ozone depletion. Seriously how old are you?

 

[R3verse Swing]

Protocols.

The question is not how nations are acting upon climate change, the question is what causes climate change. I thought this was obvious.

But no, Montreal protocol is more important than glancing through scientific data.

Diddums.

 

[TM Riddle]

Stop changing the goalposts Chhote. Read the links you provided thoroughly and keep the conversation on the topic. Now answer me what makes you believe Polar Vortex phenomenon isn't the root cause behind these climate disturbances?

 

[R3verse Swing]

I should point out for the benefit of Indian posters.

Beast from the East, does not refer to India, sorry to burst the bubble, but it means Nordics/Russia.

For the purposes of saving time and sanity, India is NOT responsible climate change in the UK.

 

[TM Riddle]

As expected our Chhotu here keeps on beating around the bush evading the simple question. Nothing unexpected though.

 

[Suleiman]

Global warming debunked

I saw it and thought he was playing around

He isn't )

 

[R3verse Swing]

When challenged the best resort to the troll card? Typical.

Forgot PP, I urge users to on Google. You will see the scientific populace has dumped global warming for climate change based on scientific knowledge. Just like Sandstorms!

It's simple logic, if Global Warming is true, then temperatures would continue to rise. Global warming does NOT explain why the UK is experiencing subzero temperatures off season!

 

[TM Riddle]

Read my post no 13 and you would realize why it has become suddenly so cold in the UK.
These Trump supporters I'm telling you

 

[world cup captain]

It's incredible that in Connecticut, the northeast of America, it's approximately 50 degrees in February. It's completely unheard of. Previous winters, it didn't snow much but at least the temperatures were low unlike this year.

 

[PakLFC]

Next we'll have snow in the summer

 

[Syed1]

Idk what you lads are crying about.... In Toronto today we had 17°C which is unprecedented for end of Feb, it was as if the whole city finally came out of its hibernation.






(That being said we are expecting snow on Friday)

 

[Slog]

Read in NY Times that Britiain's infrastructure is not equipped to handle this much longer in some areas

 

[Robert]

The climate changes in cycles, we're in a warming period right now, this comes after the little ice age.

Yes but we are accelerating it by interfering with the carbon cycle and have put it out of whack.

What worries me is if the Gulf Stream is permanently pushed south, then the U.K. will get cold.

Anyway we were sent home from work as a precaution but all I saw were a flew flecks of snow. But down the road was thundersnow.

 

[Markhor]

The Army has been called in over in Lincolnshire.

Gritters are working hard but we always seem underprepared for snow.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Snow in March. Standard really. We had Spring during the Christmas holidays.

 

[cricketworm]

I don't take people seriously if they don't believe that we have caused massive climate change or global warming, what ever tag scientist give. It's common science. What ever carbon we emit, most of it stays in our atmosphere. Melting of polar ice is not something to joke about or negate about. Cleaner fuel, and cleaner habits will always help planet.

Ridiculous that some people are hell bent on clinging on some name tag and derail the whole concept.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Science 101

Ice that is submerge in water, when it melts, will NOT raise levels of water. This is called displacement. Water expands when frozen, therefore the water levels are already higher due to displacement (volume expansion). When the submerged ice melts, water levels DECREASE. So much for the polar caps melting and raising the levels of water.

Simple test, take a glass, fill it with ice, then water to the brim of the glass. Then let the ice melt. What will happen to the water level? It will drop. FACT.

As for Carbon, Carbon is not as dangerous as methane. However, nature has a mechanism to convert carbon to oxygen, it’s called photosynthesis. Ergo, plant more trees!

Simple knowledge of science prevents the sheep from being brainwashed. Otherwise, those professing Global Warming or claim humans are responsible for climate change, should be thoroughly ignored.

Climate is all about cycles, and the Sun, this is a scientific and documented fact.

 

[Heisenberg]

Science 101

Ice that is submerge in water, when it melts, will NOT raise levels of water. This is called displacement. Water expands when frozen, therefore the water levels are already higher due to displacement (volume expansion). When the submerged ice melts, water levels DECREASE. So much for the polar caps melting and raising the levels of water.

Simple test, take a glass, fill it with ice, then water to the brim of the glass. Then let the ice melt. What will happen to the water level? It will drop. FACT.

As for Carbon, Carbon is not as dangerous as methane. However, nature has a mechanism to convert carbon to oxygen, it’s called photosynthesis. Ergo, plant more trees!

Simple knowledge of science prevents the sheep from being brainwashed. Otherwise, those professing Global Warming or claim humans are responsible for climate change, should be thoroughly ignored.

Climate is all about cycles, and the Sun, this is a scientific and documented fact.

I hope you do realise that the solution is not as simple as planting more trees. Eventually that carbon will be released back into the atmosphere when the trees die.

 

[TM Riddle]

Science 101

Ice that is submerge in water, when it melts, will NOT raise levels of water. This is called displacement. Water expands when frozen, therefore the water levels are already higher due to displacement (volume expansion). When the submerged ice melts, water levels DECREASE. So much for the polar caps melting and raising the levels of water.

Simple test, take a glass, fill it with ice, then water to the brim of the glass. Then let the ice melt. What will happen to the water level? It will drop. FACT.

As for Carbon, Carbon is not as dangerous as methane. However, nature has a mechanism to convert carbon to oxygen, it’s called photosynthesis. Ergo, plant more trees!

Simple knowledge of science prevents the sheep from being brainwashed. Otherwise, those professing Global Warming or claim humans are responsible for climate change, should be thoroughly ignored.

Climate is all about cycles, and the Sun, this is a scientific and documented fact.

Chhotu What according to you is causing this extreme variation in temperature in Britain?

 

[R3verse Swing]

I hope you do realise that the solution is not as simple as planting more trees. Eventually that carbon will be released back into the atmosphere when the trees die.

There was more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere when the Earth was younger, yet levels declined and the Earth also experienced Ice ages. The levels then increased again in the absence of Humans/Industries. It's a cycle. This is measured through carbon/radio dating.

Methane is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2, the biggest source of methane is Livestock, not industries.

 

[James]

It’s been atrocious in the North of England this week to be fair. December 2010 was the worst winter weather in the UK for many years, but this flurry has been even worse. Some of the worst of my lifetime actually. Not intending to leave the house again until Monday if I can help it.

 

[R3verse Swing]

It’s been atrocious in the North of England this week to be fair. December 2010 was the worst winter weather in the UK for many years, but this flurry has been even worse. Some of the worst of my lifetime actually. Not intending to leave the house again until Monday if I can help it.

Spare a thought for drivers stuck on the motorway for the second day (M80).

Though this flurry is nothing compared to that of the 80s.

 

[Robert]

Science 101

Ice that is submerge in water, when it melts, will NOT raise levels of water. This is called displacement. Water expands when frozen, therefore the water levels are already higher due to displacement (volume expansion). When the submerged ice melts, water levels DECREASE. So much for the polar caps melting and raising the levels of water.

Simple test, take a glass, fill it with ice, then water to the brim of the glass. Then let the ice melt. What will happen to the water level? It will drop. FACT.

As for Carbon, Carbon is not as dangerous as methane. However, nature has a mechanism to convert carbon to oxygen, it’s called photosynthesis. Ergo, plant more trees!

Simple knowledge of science prevents the sheep from being brainwashed. Otherwise, those professing Global Warming or claim humans are responsible for climate change, should be thoroughly ignored.

Climate is all about cycles, and the Sun, this is a scientific and documented fact.

A lot of the ice is above sea level though, it’s not all in icebergs.

I don’t think the seas will rise much, but cold water melting may mess up some ocean currents. Cold places may get hot, or vice versa. Deserts will expand. Oddly Antarctica is growing not shrinking but that will also affect the ocean currents.

Methane is CH4 by the way, and yes it has 4x the greenhouse gas effect of CO2.

We should be planting more trees but we are defoliating Amazonia at a vast rate and turning it into cattle land. Cows make methane.

Responsible timber companies plant trees faster than they use them.

Giving a talk on this to a bunch of Councillors next week.

 

[cricketworm]

More humans = more need of livestock = more Methane in environment. If that's not human caused climate change then i don't know what is?

Why suggest planting more trees if you don't believe in theory of global warming or climate change then?

 

[cricketworm]

Data that we can collect over 150 years ago should be taken as a pinch of salt.

good article to read get some light,

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...en-far-warmer-in-the-past-whats-the-big-deal/

Massive amount of CO2 and Methane can cause mass extinctions for species. So, yeah we can't wait for this 'cycle' to get over so we can start from scratch.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Read in NY Times that Britiain's infrastructure is not equipped to handle this much longer in some areas

When it comes to winter, snow, floods etc, UK is truly pathetic. Last year local councils ran out of grit and now this...

UK running out of gas, warns National Grid

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...t-of-gas-national-grid-warns-freezing-weather

Buses have stopped at 7pm tonight. Taxis are either fully booked or not running. Schools are closed. Thankfully my gym is always open.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Data that we can collect over 150 years ago should be taken as a pinch of salt.

good article to read get some light,

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...en-far-warmer-in-the-past-whats-the-big-deal/

Massive amount of CO2 and Methane can cause mass extinctions for species. So, yeah we can't wait for this 'cycle' to get over so we can start from scratch.

There is data on CO2 levels since the Cambrian period which spans 65 Million years.

It proves CO2 levels are a cycle.

Forget pinch of salt.

 

[R3verse Swing]

More humans = more need of livestock = more Methane in environment. If that's not human caused climate change then i don't know what is?

Why suggest planting more trees if you don't believe in theory of global warming or climate change then?

Well now you know it's not CO2. So do some research and stop believing the media narrative.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Of course above all else, people can still believe the fake narrative that water levels will rise when polar ice caps will melt, or when CO2 levels will rise, or perhaps the best way to control levels of methane is to consume livestock and ban vegans/vegetarians.

The SUN is the one and only contributor to climate change. As the Sun consumes hydrogen, its mass decreases, this in turn means the Suns gravitational pull becomes weaker, as a result, Earth is receding slightly from the Sun at about 1.6cm a year! Not to mention solar flares with high-energy protons expand/contract the ozone layer and end up trapping/venting heat!

It's simple physics, not the Al Gore kind!

 

[JaDed]

Maybe before advising others people should give up religion where no proof is ever given except hearsay.

 

[cricketworm]

There is data on CO2 levels since the Cambrian period which spans 65 Million years.

It proves CO2 levels are a cycle.

Forget pinch of salt.

Cycle of rise of CO2 has caused mass extinction. So, I believe we don't need that do we?

 

[cricketworm]

Well now you know it's not CO2. So do some research and stop believing the media narrative.

You didn't answer the solution. How do we get rid of Methane? We wait for the for the cycle to be over, where every one is dead.

 

[R3verse Swing]

You didn't answer the solution. How do we get rid of Methane? We wait for the for the cycle to be over, where every one is dead.

Eat livestock.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Cycle of rise of CO2 has caused mass extinction. So, I believe we don't need that do we?

I don't know what you mean?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Eat livestock.

Ouch.

 

[cricketworm]

Eat livestock.

LOL Eat livestock, so you produce more livestock to reach needs ends up producing more methane.

 

[cricketworm]

I don't know what you mean?

what extreme of cycle i.e. rise of Methane or CO2 can go till?

 

[R3verse Swing]

LOL Eat livestock, so you produce more livestock to reach needs ends up producing more methane.

Don't worry, the polar caps will melt, water levels will rise, and Noah will build another Ark.

 

[R3verse Swing]

what extreme of cycle i.e. rise of Methane or CO2 can go till?

What kind of a question is this?

There is no limit.

 

[TM Riddle]

There you have it folks. So many summits , conventions and protocols for nothing when we had the solution right in front of us all the time - EAT LIVESTOCK
If only those environmentalists and Noble laureates were smart enough to figure that out we wouldn't have wasted so much of our taxpayers' money on stupid stuff like carbon sequestration and clean energy initiatives.
WE ARE SAVED!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TM Riddle]

I think someone should send the link to this thread to Donald Trump. He might actually believe all that Reverse Swing has regurgitated so far and could end up tweeting about it!

 

[TM Riddle]

LOL Eat livestock, so you produce more livestock to reach needs ends up producing more methane.

Reminds me of a joke aftermath of Florida Shooting. When asked about the impact of gun culture on the psyche of a common American , a local pastor said they didn't need gun control as Jesus was going to come and 'fix all this'.
Did Jesus ate beef btw?

 

[Robert]

Of course above all else, people can still believe the fake narrative that water levels will rise when polar ice caps will melt, or when CO2 levels will rise, or perhaps the best way to control levels of methane is to consume livestock and ban vegans/vegetarians.

The SUN is the one and only contributor to climate change. As the Sun consumes hydrogen, its mass decreases, this in turn means the Suns gravitational pull becomes weaker, as a result, Earth is receding slightly from the Sun at about 1.6cm a year! Not to mention solar flares with high-energy protons expand/contract the ozone layer and end up trapping/venting heat!

It's simple physics, not the Al Gore kind!

But the Sun is also expanding slowly, and getting hotter. Add in vulcanicity. Add in natural changes in atmospheric CO2 levels.

Atmospheric CO2 is already twice as high as it should be at the current point on the 100k year heating-cooling cycle. We knocked it out of whack starting 150 years ago by pulling sequestered carbon out of the forests and under the Earth and burning it. Have a look at the Vostok ice core data.

Yes, I think we should all eat less meat. There will be eleven billion of us in a few decades, and meat farming is far too intensive of soil, plants and water to be sustainable. It takes a tonne of fresh water to make a few kilos of beef.....

 

[R3verse Swing]

But the Sun is also expanding slowly, and getting hotter. Add in vulcanicity. Add in natural changes in atmospheric CO2 levels.

Atmospheric CO2 is already twice as high as it should be at the current point on the 100k year heating-cooling cycle. We knocked it out of whack starting 150 years ago by pulling sequestered carbon out of the forests and under the Earth and burning it. Have a look at the Vostok ice core data.

Yes, I think we should all eat less meat. There will be eleven billion of us in a few decades, and meat farming is far too intensive of soil, plants and water to be sustainable. It takes a tonne of fresh water to make a few kilos of beef.....

The Sun's size fluctuates within range, so yes it expands and contracts, but the long term expansion will come when the Sun's fuel comes to an end, which is Billions of years away.

The Sun has an effect on CO2 levels.

The Sun radiation varies in amount with respect to time
and affects accordingly the environment of the earth. The factors that affect the Sun
radiation reaching the earth on long time scales are physical and are mainly due to the socalled
Milankovitch cycles. It is also shown that the Sun’s activity is another major factor. At
the present time during the course of the solar cycle, the total energy output of the sun
changes by only 0.1%. On the other hand, the ultraviolet radiation from the sun can change
by several percent but the largest changes, however, occur in the intensity of the solar wind
and interplanetary magnetic field. Finally, it is claimed that cosmic rays could provide the
mechanism by which changes in solar activity affect the climate. We close with our
concluding statements in section 6.

http://cdn.intechweb.org/pdfs/12170.pdf

We must remember that CO2 levels were much much highers many years ago (7000 PPM) , but still managed to reduce.

 

[DeadBall]

According to the weather reports it should end by tomorrow here. About time too as construction has been halted since Monday and I have already lost around €10000 due to the friggin weather.