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The best left-arm pacers of this era: Mohammed Amir, Mitchell Starc and Joel Paris?

axl100mph said:
In regards to pace and height.
But yeah, could hv worded it better
Comes off as an attempt at being palatable:mv

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How fast was Starc 2 years ago? His body is fully matured now and he's at his absolute prime. Amir bowled 145k+ spells at the age of 18 and has yet to hit his peak.

Despite being taller Starc loses most of his height advantage because of how much he extends in delivery stride and low arm action therefore the ball skids off the surface rather than digging into it. Amir gets more lift because he doesn't extend much, high arm action and snaps the wrist perfectly on top. Watch his 4 deliveries against Hafeez to know what I'm talking about or his spell against Watson/Ponting where he literally cuts the ball in the air with ridiculous bounce and pace, something only Wasim was capable of in the history of the game.

Amir's far more skilled with the ball. There's no debate regarding ability. Only difference is Starc has proven himself in one format at least and Amir hasn't.

And before these ignorant bunch start quoting me. I'm no Starc hater, in fact I supported him long before any of these bandwagoners and had marked him for greatness before he became big.
 
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lol this Paris (French name) couldn't take 1 wicket on a Australian surface and that too against India. Mustafizur Rahman too a 5 wicket haul and another 6 in the next game on a Bangladeshi flat surface. It just shows Mustafizur potential. Rohit scored a big 100; he got out to Mustafizur 3x straight. Double Standards and jealousy. Changed the thread title please – it's insulting.
 
ChachaCricket said:
How fast was Starc 2 years ago? His body is fully matured now and he's at his absolute prime. Amir bowled 145k+ spells at the age of 18 and has yet to hit his peak.

Despite being taller Starc loses most of his height advantage because of how much he extends in delivery stride and low arm action therefore the ball skids off the surface rather than digging into it. Amir gets more lift because he doesn't extend much, high arm action and snaps the wrist perfectly on top. Watch his 4 deliveries against Hafeez to know what I'm talking about or his spell against Watson/Ponting where he literally cuts the ball in the air with ridiculous bounce and pace, something only Wasim was capable of in the history of the game.

Amir's far more skilled with the ball. There's no debate regarding ability. Only difference is Starc has proven himself in one format at least and Amir hasn't.

And before these ignorant bunch start quoting me. I'm no Starc hater, in fact I supported him long before any of these bandwagoners and had marked him for greatness before he became big.
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Once again, too much hype for someone who might turn out to be good to great.

And you know, God forbid, it doesn't happen, we can always say

"Well, he had potential before he went fixing" :)
 
The best left arm pacers of this era: Amir, Starc and Paris?

Watched highlights. Paris looked nothing special imo. I was expecting him to be quicker. No swing or movement.
 
Im curious as to why [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] did not include Mustafzir who has been exceptional..yet included a uncapped bowler.
 
This is an extremly vast topic IMO. How would you define an era? On what basis would you judge the 3?
Mustafizur might not be as fast as Aamir or Starc, but from what Ive seen but I hope he doesnt vanish away or succumb to injuries like many Bangladeshi pace bowlers.
 
in_cutter said:
Im curious as to why [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] did not include Mustafzir who has been exceptional..yet included a uncapped bowler.
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I am biased poster :-)

To all the PPERS I maintain Joel Paris will play for Australia for atleast 10 years and he along with Amir and Starc (fitness) are future of left arm fast bowling and will be top 3. If Starc after injury fades away (highly unlikely in Aussies setup due to quality medical staff , human movement experts and best trainers / rehab personals ) than Mustafiz may come into top 3.

Boult best time is behind him unfortunately due to his back and he will no more be fast medium and would be medium fast and less effective.

Starc's 1st odi when cricket batting wise wasn't as fast as today was in 2010 and his figures were 8.5 overs 0-51.

Paris will never be a express bowler. He would be fast medium bowler capable of bowling few fast deliveries in his spell at his peak. His mainstay will be line and length to go with both swings aswell as bounce with high arm action. He is here to stay and see his odi and test averages and strike rates after 2 years time. (If he stays fit)

It is not necessary that bowlers be judged only after international cricket for what they can achieve.

I am no imran khan for the eye but he did not ask for Waqar or wasim stats sheet. He just saw what they had in them.

In a Pepsi talent hunt program Wasim akram selected 13 , 14 years old Mohammad Amir and if you people can read in the news paper what he said about him than ? And what he did in the T20 worldcup at a 16,17 years old ?

I know pace is pace yaar and it's great on the eyes but it is not a necessity to be able to dominate the figures (Ave, SR)

Trent Boult in his odi and test peak wa fast medium and he was the best left armer of the time in both odis and tests.

In Joel paris I see a Boult with a better height and better action with more swing and more bounce due to high arm action and after a while he will be bowling between 134 to 145-148 range mostly averaging 85 to 87 mph.

There is a reason for his fast tract selection to Australian team. Not everyone is injured or is getting rested.

He may fire early or abit late but he will fire. My judgement is based upon only two games I watched him bowl for Perth scorchers but he caught my eye as a special talent.

Those who find this thread funny and ridiculous should have a laugh as long as they want but Amir , Starc and Paris will I.A rule the left arm pace bowling provided they remain fit.

Take care :-)
 
The best left arm pacers of this era: Amir, Starc and Paris?

TalentSpotterPk said:
I am biased poster :-)

To all the PPERS I maintain Joel Paris will play for Australia for atleast 10 years and he along with Amir and Starc (fitness) are future of left arm fast bowling and will be top 3. If Starc after injury fades away (highly unlikely in Aussies setup due to quality medical staff , human movement experts and best trainers / rehab personals ) than Mustafiz may come into top 3.

Boult best time is behind him unfortunately due to his back and he will no more be fast medium and would be medium fast and less effective.

Starc's 1st odi when cricket batting wise wasn't as fast as today was in 2010 and his figures were 8.5 overs 0-51.

Paris will never be a express bowler. He would be fast medium bowler capable of bowling few fast deliveries in his spell at his peak. His mainstay will be line and length to go with both swings aswell as bounce with high arm action. He is here to stay and see his odi and test averages and strike rates after 2 years time. (If he stays fit)

It is not necessary that bowlers be judged only after international cricket for what they can achieve.

I am no imran khan for the eye but he did not ask for Waqar or wasim stats sheet. He just saw what they had in them.

In a Pepsi talent hunt program Wasim akram selected 13 , 14 years old Mohammad Amir and if you people can read in the news paper what he said about him than ? And what he did in the T20 worldcup at a 16,17 years old ?

I know pace is pace yaar and it's great on the eyes but it is not a necessity to be able to dominate the figures (Ave, SR)

Trent Boult in his odi and test peak wa fast medium and he was the best left armer of the time in both odis and tests.

In Joel paris I see a Boult with a better height and better action with more swing and more bounce due to high arm action and after a while he will be bowling between 134 to 145-148 range mostly averaging 85 to 87 mph.

There is a reason for his fast tract selection to Australian team. Not everyone is injured or is getting rested.

He may fire early or abit late but he will fire. My judgement is based upon only two games I watched him bowl for Perth scorchers but he caught my eye as a special talent.

Those who find this thread funny and ridiculous should have a laugh as long as they want but Amir , Starc and Paris will I.A rule the left arm pace bowling provided they remain fit.

Take care :-)
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In my opinion, currently:

Starc>>>Mustafzir>>>Boult

Too early to put Amir in top 3 yet as he has been out of Int'l cricket for 5yrs.
 
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One did not bowl a single ball in a competitive international match for five years, one did not bowl a single ball in a competitive match and they are compared with Man of the Tournament of the last WC. I wonder the stupidity level - even Trump could not go so low. Strac should sue for defaming him
 
Today's performance was not exceptional but was good enough for me to think that Amir will at least give a tough time to Starc for the best left armer in the upcoming years.

Well done Amir!
 
Great bowling today, finally someone who can swing the new ball.
 
We should not get carried away though, the conditions were excellent for pace bowling and barring Wahab, everyone looked good. Amir was the pick of the bowlers because he is better than Nehra, Bumra and Irfan.

Even Junaid would have looked decent today.

However, as I said earlier, the inclusion/exclusion of Amir makes no difference to our results because our problems run much deeper than that, so if Amir goes on to become a world class bowler, it will make little difference to our results.

We need quality batsmen. Plain and simple.
 
Mamoon said:
We should not get carried away though, the conditions were excellent for pace bowling and barring Wahab, everyone looked good. Amir was the pick of the bowlers because he is better than Nehra, Bumra and Irfan.

Even Junaid would have looked decent today.

However, as I said earlier, the inclusion/exclusion of Amir makes no difference to our results because our problems run much deeper than that, so if Amir goes on to become a world class bowler, it will make little difference to our results.

We need quality batsmen. Plain and simple.
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You have underrated Junaid & Amir always.

Had there been Junaid today instead of FANCY bowler IRFAN he would have fared quite better than what Irfan achieved out of his 4 overs.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
You have underrated Junaid & Amir always.

Had there been Junaid today instead of FANCY bowler IRFAN he would have fared quite better than what Irfan achieved out of his 4 overs.
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Irfan bowled well, 145 clicks with tons of bounce

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TalentSpotterPk said:
You have underrated Junaid & Amir always.

Had there been Junaid today instead of FANCY bowler IRFAN he would have fared quite better than what Irfan achieved out of his 4 overs.
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Is it underrating Amir to say that he has the potential to be a world class bowler should he work hard and remain hungry? I don't think so.

I'm not just prepared to hand him titles like next Wasim Akram and future ATG without him earning them. Maybe that is underrating for you.

Junaid is at best a decent support bowler, but he is shot after his injuries. We need to move forward now.

As I said in the other thread, Irfan has issues with taking wickets. He bowled very well today but had nothing to show for it, and that is why it is time to look beyond him now as well. However, moving back to Junaid would be a backwards move as well.
 
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ChachaCricket said:
Of course Boult is better with his vicious swing at 130ks, lmao.
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Boult is not the same bowler after his injury. Hope it is not terminal like Junaid and he recovers his form, world cricket needs the 2014-15 Boult back.
 
Mamoon said:
Boult is not the same bowler after his injury. Hope it is not terminal like Junaid and he recovers his form, world cricket needs the 2014-15 Boult back.
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Unlikely he catches the same rhythm. He has an engineered action which requires perfect execution and he's struggling to find his previous mechanics, occasionally gets it right then loses it.

His best option would be to modify his action using his front arm more to drive himself forward to gain pace.
 
6 months from now, Mohammad Amir will be THE best bowler in the world.
 
Mahmood101 said:
Irfan bowled well, 145 clicks with tons of bounce

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I termed " FANCY "

On such a wicket he was amazing everyone with his bounce and that's it.

Where we're wickets ?

No wicket in 4 overs. Fancy good looking bowling with oozz and aahhs and end result zero wicket.

Back of a length morne Morkel, harmison length. But unlike them no seam no swing.

No yorker, no bouncer hitting batsman's head or neck which he has to hook or duck.

No precision, no seam, no swing.
 
naveed4687 said:
That amounts to nothing, what has he done in international arena?

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He has just begun his career on flat Australian wickets.

He is not as gifted as Amir & Starc but he will be amongst top 3 left arm pacers of world cricket provided he doesn't get a serious injury hiccup.
 
India had Kohli but what would the Bengalis do against Amir, Irfan and co on this track? :D
 
4 overs 2-6

Ave 3.0

SR 12

Eco 1.50

Average Speed 89.0 Mph


Brilliant MashaAllah

# Bleed Green
 
Was a great spell but lets not get aheqd of ourselves it was UAE. Its already well established that Amir is well above the level of irfan and wahab and sami.
 
Well he is coming back to his best. Surely will pass all bowlers of this era at this rate.
 
Madplayer said:
Was a great spell but lets not get aheqd of ourselves it was UAE. Its already well established that Amir is well above the level of irfan and wahab and sami.
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Should not have dropped Wahab today.

We should use him after 10 overs as a death overs specialist.
 
Amir totally outperformed pretty decent bowlers in Irfan and Sami today. He's truly a bowling genius, MashAllah.
 
Would have been better with more wickets but UAE were too cautious against him.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
He has just begun his career on flat Australian wickets.

He is not as gifted as Amir & Starc but he will be amongst top 3 left arm pacers of world cricket provided he doesn't get a serious injury hiccup.
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Wait till than that day to rate him amongst top bowlers

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Bilal7 said:
Amir totally outperformed pretty decent bowlers in Irfan and Sami today. He's truly a bowling genius, MashAllah.
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There is always going to be a cloud of cheating over him.Even if he does well thewre will always be the possibility that he tampered with the ball. He was never very impressive during his return. Not very impressive against UAE but suddenly vs India gets prodigious swing in the air?His legacy will always be tainted
 
babareazam1 said:
There is always going to be a cloud of cheating over him.Even if he does well thewre will always be the possibility that he tampered with the ball. He was never very impressive during his return. Not very impressive against UAE but suddenly vs India gets prodigious swing in the air?His legacy will always be tainted
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WTH ??

How can you cheat with a brand new ball ?? Never heard of it because it's a load of baloney.

He got swing because on Certain days the conditions allow it and certain days it doesn't. And he gets late swing which makes it lethal.

Seriously some people shouldn't comment if they have no idea what they are talking about.
 
babareazam1 said:
There is always going to be a cloud of cheating over him.Even if he does well thewre will always be the possibility that he tampered with the ball. He was never very impressive during his return. Not very impressive against UAE but suddenly vs India gets prodigious swing in the air?His legacy will always be tainted
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You cannot get conventional swing with ball-tampering, you either swing the ball or you don't. Amir's action naturally allows him to generate plenty of swing.

Besides, even if he is a crafty genius who found a way to make the new ball swing using some form of tampering, the other pacers were still using the same ball and they got less swing.
 
Mamoon said:
Would have been better with more wickets but UAE were too cautious against him.
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He bowl like 21 dot balls without even trying...

In T20 he will get less wickets, people would starting to see him off... Plus with Pakistan there will hardly be score board pressure...I care about his economy, don't expect two wickets in first spell(in 12 balls) all the time...if runs on the board, things will be different... Pakistanis need to focus on developing batting to win T20s rather than wine about Amir, why he is not bowling 3/15 spells every time... This is not how T20 is played...

In Odi and test it's different story, people have to play him...You could see big difference in NZ, when he was bowling 4/5 over spell in Odi, things were very different...

His deaths kill are getting better, I like to see more intensity, Yorkers...Also need to bowl over the wicket in death more often to cut the off side angle, attacking rip cage is good strategy...

One of his advantage is that he has lot of lengths to play with not like Boult who cannot bowl short pitch, reverse or Yorkers in death, where as he can, after all he is Pakistani Yorkers will get better as he play more cricket...

People are expecting too much from him every times he bowls... You have to realize Strac bowls at the back of world class batting, he is not bowling in crisis all the time, so he can express himself, where as he does not have such luxury, No runs on the board well all the time, Karachi did same thing, not once in 9 matches they had runs on the board [emoji84][emoji84][emoji84]


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Mamoon said:
You cannot get conventional swing with ball-tampering, you either swing the ball or you don't. Amir's action naturally allows him to generate plenty of swing.

Besides, even if he is a crafty genius who found a way to make the new ball swing using some form of tampering, the other pacers were still using the same ball and they got less swing.
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I do not deny that he is the best fast bowler on offer among all the teams in this tournament but that does not mean that there is no shadow over him. I will always suspect something wrong if he does extremely well-so will the rest of the world. Now they are OK but idf he continues to do well there will always be talk.
 
babareazam1 said:
I do not deny that he is the best fast bowler on offer among all the teams in this tournament but that does not mean that there is no shadow over him. I will always suspect something wrong if he does extremely well-so will the rest of the world. Now they are OK but idf he continues to do well there will always be talk.
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Nonsense.

Yes there is a shadow regarding his past deeds which everyone knows but regarding his cricket abilities no one can question it.
 
babareazam1 said:
I do not deny that he is the best fast bowler on offer among all the teams in this tournament but that does not mean that there is no shadow over him. I will always suspect something wrong if he does extremely well-so will the rest of the world. Now they are OK but idf he continues to do well there will always be talk.
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Nobody gives a damn about what u think !
There are already number of problems in Our team than to point a player who is performing because of his history... So just shutup provide better arguments


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My biggest worry about Amir is not skill or mental strength or whatever else people imagine but remain injury free for 5/8 years...This is always biggest risk in that business...

Look at Strac, would he be same 150K bowler as before?? - His action puts strain on his ankle, can he continue to bowl like that...

Boult is not the same bowler after injury, his pace has dropped and swing is not as much as before... Cummins is struggling to have a comeback...

Right now Rabada and Amir are the best premium fast bowlers prospects around the world(in all formats)... There success will be down to only one factor: How to remain injury free for 8/10 years?
 
yasir said:
My biggest worry about Amir is not skill or mental strength or whatever else people imagine but remain injury free for 5/8 years...This is always biggest risk in that business...

Look at Strac, would he be same 150K bowler as before?? - His action puts strain on his ankle, can he continue to bowl like that...

Boult is not the same bowler after injury, his pace has dropped and swing is not as much as before... Cummins is struggling to have a comeback...

Right now Rabada and Amir are the best premium fast bowlers prospects around the world(in all formats)... There success will be down to only one factor: How to remain injury free for 8/10 years?
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Two things work in his favor: firstly, he has played no cricket between the age of 18-23 where the body is the most vulnerable due to abrupt growth and secondly, he has a smooth action that doesn't put much strain on the body. He is more similar to Wasim while Starc is more similar to Waqar, who puts a lot of strain on his body.

I like Starc better, but Amir has a better action.
 
babareazam1 said:
I do not deny that he is the best fast bowler on offer among all the teams in this tournament but that does not mean that there is no shadow over him. I will always suspect something wrong if he does extremely well-so will the rest of the world. Now they are OK but idf he continues to do well there will always be talk.
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Suspect what? That he gets prodigious swing with the new ball? Unless he bowls a bunch of no balls back to back, there is no suspicion. His skills were never questioned even 5 years ago.
 
Joel is putting together some really great figures despite playing on complete roads
 
babareazam1 said:
There is always going to be a cloud of cheating over him.Even if he does well thewre will always be the possibility that he tampered with the ball. He was never very impressive during his return. Not very impressive against UAE but suddenly vs India gets prodigious swing in the air?His legacy will always be tainted
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Only a total dummy would actually believe that the swing was because he cheated. He was getting conventional swing which you cannot achieve through tampering and the conditions have been conducive to swing bowling.

He was very impressive in New Zealand, very impressive in the lead up to his first return match and in the PSL, he was good.

There is no cloud over him, this is the first time I am hearing anyone say something like this.
 
Dale Steyn is probably pretty bad at bowling left handed
 
Mamoon said:
Two things work in his favor: firstly, he has played no cricket between the age of 18-23 where the body is the most vulnerable due to abrupt growth and secondly, he has a smooth action that doesn't put much strain on the body. He is more similar to Wasim while Starc is more similar to Waqar, who puts a lot of strain on his body.

I like Starc better, but Amir has a better action.
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Strac like Waqar has more of a slingy action, that's why he can bowl yorkers very well, but other lengths and swinging the ball would not be as effective as Amir could...That's why Amir is more complete fast bowler like Akram, one main difference between Amir and Wasim is that Amir is more pacy, he is 5/7k faster than Akram... Akram was never 145K avg bowler... But Wasim played international cricket for 18 years, that's very long time...

Amir action is one of the most smooth, balanced and less taxing action for a fast bowler(I am nothing talking about medium pacers), it puts less strain on ankle, knees or back. Slingy action are not as smooth or balanced, end up putting strain on one joint or the other...

Also, Amir's wrist position and release is superior to Strac, he has more control on length and seam... We have seen that in 2010 english summer, we will also see more of that this summer...Amir is superior to Strac in terms of technique and skill, but he will never have a luxury of playing along side world class batting lineup, that can make a big difference as far as achievements is concerned.

I am left myself, but used to like Waqar more back in 90s, he was more thrilling at that time...Personally I like Amir more than Wasim (with new ball), he does what Wasim used to do but 10K faster and with silky smooth action.

As far as reverse swing is concerned, I don't we will ever see like Ws, mainly because people know about it a lot and you are not allowed to tamper the ball as much now or in future as was the case in 90s... Rules are lot tighter now and too many Cameras are watching you all the time.... its not fair to compare their reverse swing with modern bowlers...
 
Will do an expert analysis / viewpoint / summary + hypothesis on this Mohammad Amir real soon. :moyo

Stay tuned.
 
There is not much difference in Starc and Amir. I have a feeling Amir will end up with more wickets and better stats though. Starc at 20 was nowhere as good as Amir.
 
babareazam1 said:
There is always going to be a cloud of cheating over him.Even if he does well thewre will always be the possibility that he tampered with the ball. He was never very impressive during his return. Not very impressive against UAE but suddenly vs India gets prodigious swing in the air?His legacy will always be tainted
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WTH, get over it, move on, you pinhead.
 
Liverpool_Faizan said:
There is not much difference in Starc and Amir. I have a feeling Amir will end up with more wickets and better stats though. Starc at 20 was nowhere as good as Amir.
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Yeah but Starc was a wicketkeeper until his mid teens
 
Also, in term of injury free action, Sami is great example... Although he is not the smartest or very skillful but he always being fast, 140+ for almost 15+ years and without any major injury. This is not normal by any means. One of the thing he has is simple and low taxing action. He is not big or bulky but can generate lot of pace...
 
Convict said:
Yeah but Starc was a wicketkeeper until his mid teens
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WOAH wth?? :))

A 6'6' wicket keeper, damn what a sight. Must've taken a lot of legside catches with his reach.

But that is pure talent. My respect to any cricketer who learns his trade in his mid to late teens. It is generally much difficult to pick up and master an art in your mid to late teens than it is in your early years, has been proven.

Both are exceptional once in a generation talents though.
 
Recent struggles aside still think boult is the best left armer currently in tests, obviously amir and starc have massive potential but in that form of the game they both have a heck of a lot to prove.
 
street cricketer said:
Is the Asia cup being telecast in Australia?

Did you catch a few matches?
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World T20 isn't getting telecast let alone Asia Cup

Suleiman said:
WOAH wth?? :))

A 6'6' wicket keeper, damn what a sight. Must've taken a lot of legside catches with his reach.

But that is pure talent. My respect to any cricketer who learns his trade in his mid to late teens. It is generally much difficult to pick up and master an art in your mid to late teens than it is in your early years, has been proven.

Both are exceptional once in a generation talents though.
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Well he wasn't 6 foot 6 back then.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket...mps-but-starc-is-a-keeper-20100925-15riu.html

A TALL and athletic 14-year-old wicketkeeper from Lidcombe named Mitchell Starc was trying out for the Western Suburbs Green Shield side when club coach Neil D'Costa walked down to the ground.
''I saw him running and moving and saw he had wicketkeeping gloves on,'' D'Costa says. ''I called him over and said, 'I want you to bowl'.
''He told me he wasn't a bowler, he was a wicketkeeper. So I asked him again to have a bowl, which he did. I then said to him, 'Do you want to make this team?' He said, 'I'd love to' and I said 'OK, that's the end of your wicketkeeping, I'm going to teach you how to bowl'.''

D'Costa, already mentor to fellow Wests players Michael Clarke and Phillip Hughes, did something right because just six years later Starc has been selected in the Australian Test squad for the Border-Gavaskar Trophy series in India.
And though the 196-centimetre replacement for the injured Josh Hazlewood is unlikely to win a baggy green cap just yet, his selection indicates the future the former Homebush Boys High School student could have. But it hasn't all come easily.
D'Costa did what the AFL had been doing for years - identified a particular body-type and built skills around it. ''I looked at his athletic ability and believed I could teach him to bowl,'' he says, adding the Cricket NSW junior high performance program had greatly helped Starc.
''He picked it up extremely quickly and before he knew it he was in the NSW under-17s.''
D'Costa says Starc didn't have much success in lower grades because he was too good. But by the time he was 17, he was in first grade, sometimes alongside Clarke and Hughes, and making a name for himself.
''The first time I thought he could become something special was when he took seven wickets against St George bowling terribly,'' says D'Costa, who speaks to Starc nearly daily and is thrilled he has been selected for India.
''He's very disciplined, listens well and can be relied upon. This tour is a great opportunity for him. It's great that he's a part of it.''
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Bilal7 said:
Only a total dummy would actually believe that the swing was because he cheated. He was getting conventional swing which you cannot achieve through tampering and the conditions have been conducive to swing bowling.

He was very impressive in New Zealand, very impressive in the lead up to his first return match and in the PSL, he was good.

There is no cloud over him, this is the first time I am hearing anyone say something like this.
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There will always be a cloud over him.If he does well think that he cheated . If he does badly our own people will say that he is fixing.There is no way anyone will think of him as a all time great.Unlike Wasim Akram he got caught.This is why our elders say that your honor is everything.Why would you compare honest people like Starc with him.
 
Iff you did not give a damn why reply.The only problem in our team is lack of integrity and Amir is representative of that.Our entire country has been brought to its knees by buffoons like you who have no problem with cheating or corruption
 
I seriously doubt that Starc with this action can continue to bowl 150k+(he is just an injury short of becoming your avg 138-143k fast med bowler who can on a good day hit 147k) , In a couple of years time Amir will be miles ahead both in terms of pace and achievements. Currently they are equal skill wise.
 
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muhammad saad said:
I seriously doubt that Starc with this action can continue to bowl 150k+ , In a couple of years time Amir will be miles ahead both in terms of pace and achievements. Currently they are equal skill wise.
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Nothing wrong with Starc's action. He's not straining anything, it's a very fluent action and he's the most durable out of the Aussie bowlers, understandably as he's the most flexible out of the lot. Went injury free last year I believe.
 
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babareazam1 said:
There will always be a cloud over him.If he does well think that he cheated . If he does badly our own people will say that he is fixing.There is no way anyone will think of him as a all time great.Unlike Wasim Akram he got caught.This is why our elders say that your honor is everything.Why would you compare honest people like Starc with him.
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I will compare him to Starc and Boult. My elders have taught me about repentence and second chances.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Asia Cup is actually being telecast in Australia through Yupp TV for free.

Just register and enter your mobile number to get SMS confirmation.

Can't say the same for World T20.
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What even is Yupp TV? Something for Yuppies?

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Convict said:
World T20 isn't getting telecast let alone Asia Cup



Convict mate, do you really think still Cricket is top 3 sports in Australia? :)
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Easily. National sport as well
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I love Aamir but Starc is on another level, when Aamir single handedly wins us a WC than we'll talk.

Who in the blue .... is JS Paris? :))
 
yasir said:
Strac like Waqar has more of a slingy action, that's why he can bowl yorkers very well, but other lengths and swinging the ball would not be as effective as Amir could...That's why Amir is more complete fast bowler like Akram, one main difference between Amir and Wasim is that Amir is more pacy, he is 5/7k faster than Akram... Akram was never 145K avg bowler... But Wasim played international cricket for 18 years, that's very long time...

Amir action is one of the most smooth, balanced and less taxing action for a fast bowler(I am nothing talking about medium pacers), it puts less strain on ankle, knees or back. Slingy action are not as smooth or balanced, end up putting strain on one joint or the other...

Also, Amir's wrist position and release is superior to Strac, he has more control on length and seam... We have seen that in 2010 english summer, we will also see more of that this summer...Amir is superior to Strac in terms of technique and skill, but he will never have a luxury of playing along side world class batting lineup, that can make a big difference as far as achievements is concerned.

I am left myself, but used to like Waqar more back in 90s, he was more thrilling at that time...Personally I like Amir more than Wasim (with new ball), he does what Wasim used to do but 10K faster and with silky smooth action.

As far as reverse swing is concerned, I don't we will ever see like Ws, mainly because people know about it a lot and you are not allowed to tamper the ball as much now or in future as was the case in 90s... Rules are lot tighter now and too many Cameras are watching you all the time.... its not fair to compare their reverse swing with modern bowlers...
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Don't agree with this. Wasim in his youth was seriously quick, it was only during the mid 90's that he cut his pace down.
 
Starc will finish ahead of Amir in LOI's due to his ability to bowl more jaffas.

I see Amir finishing comfortably ahead of Starc in Tests as he has much better control and can work batsmen over.

By doing so, he'll be able to nick top order batsmen off or get them lbw in front.

The other left armers in world cricket aren't on the same level as these two.
 
What is even Joel Paris doing there ...remove his name add Boult

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Amir and starc are completely different kinds of bowlers. Being left handed is where the comparison ends. Starc has only played 25 or so test matches. I think he is a fabulous bowler but very injury prone. He is a carbon copy of a left handed waqar and that's bound to result in injuries especially due to his longer limbs. I'd be surprised if he plays at the top level for another 4 years before sticking to shorter formats.

Reminds me of Shane bond and Shane Watson. Both came to fast bowling very late and while they look strong and athletic always broke down.

I think amir will surpass starc simply on the basis that he looks like he's been bowling all his life. He is complete in every facet of bowling. Pace, accuracy, swing fitness, bounce stamina he has it all.

I think starc will be more successful as there will always be a cunning bowler at the other end. Amir unfortunately may never have Asif with him and will always be bowling with somebody who will leak runs. (Though with Yasir it might be a mouth watering proposition)

The bowling partnership is what elevates a good bowler to a genuine great.
 
LegendAli said:
I love Aamir but Starc is on another level, when Aamir single handedly wins us a WC than we'll talk.

Who in the blue .... is JS Paris? :))
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Starc didn't win world cup single handedly, he had the backing of a formidable batting line-up that plays on the mind of the opposition. Amer is a lone warrior who does not have that comfort and the opposition knows that and take advantage of that. Amer is not less of a bowler than Starc. I am kind a surprised how people are giving their opinions about who is better and why. They both are great. But, they still have not touched the level of Wasim Akram.
 
Mamoon said:
Don't agree with this. Wasim in his youth was seriously quick, it was only during the mid 90's that he cut his pace down.
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Wasim was quick in 80s, in early 90s he reduced his action to 15 step, loss bit of his pace... Even the famous spell he bowled to Lamb and Lewis in 92 final were bowled at 135/138...Wasim looked more nippy specially in Australia because of his height, like McGrath... But was not very quick...

Waqar was considerably quicker than Wasim, even in 88/89 series when Waqar first came in, Waqar was visibly quicker...he was more of 140/145 bowler...


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