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The best left-arm pacers of this era: Mohammed Amir, Mitchell Starc and Joel Paris?

ExpressPacer said:
I think it's pretty tight between Starc and Mohammad Amir. Starc won his country the World Cup and Amir won his country the Champions Trophy final. I'd say Starc just edges over Amir right now but with his fragile frame and Amir's County stint, this could very well change.
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Not only did Starc win a world cup, he also performed in more than one match (not taking a dig at Amir here, before someone responds with a photo of the CT final scorecard).
 
Sachin136 said:
Not only did Starc win a world cup, he also performed in more than one match (not taking a dig at Amir here, before someone responds with a photo of the CT final scorecard).
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agreed..by the way what does 136 means in ur name??? sachin acored 136 against pak in chennai??
 
Starc is the better bowler as of now but I expect both of them to retire as ATGs. Anything below that would be a let-down.

Amir, Starc, Rabada, Hazlewood, Boult and then the guys a level down like Junaid, Shami, Henry, Cummins, Pattinson, Hassan, etc playing in the same era is great for cricket but terrible for the batsmen.

People always say that the quality of pace-bowling has gone down but that is definitely not the case. The last generation was also loaded with the likes of Steyn, Anderson, Johnson, Broad, Philander, Harris, Asif, Zaheer, Southee, Bond (briefly), etc making life quite difficult for the batsmen.
 
Bilal7 said:
Starc is the better bowler as of now but I expect both of them to retire as ATGs. Anything below that would be a let-down.

Amir, Starc, Rabada, Hazlewood, Boult and then the guys a level down like Junaid, Shami, Henry, Cummins, Pattinson, Hassan, etc playing in the same era is great for cricket but terrible for the batsmen.

People always say that the quality of pace-bowling has gone down but that is definitely not the case. The last generation was also loaded with the likes of Steyn, Anderson, Johnson, Broad, Philander, Harris, Asif, Zaheer, Southee, Bond (briefly), etc making life quite difficult for the batsmen.
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Starc is not in that top level of bowlers.
 
Bilal7 said:
Starc is the better bowler as of now but I expect both of them to retire as ATGs. Anything below that would be a let-down.

Amir, Starc, Rabada, Hazlewood, Boult and then the guys a level down like Junaid, Shami, Henry, Cummins, Pattinson, Hassan, etc playing in the same era is great for cricket but terrible for the batsmen.

People always say that the quality of pace-bowling has gone down but that is definitely not the case. The last generation was also loaded with the likes of Steyn, Anderson, Johnson, Broad, Philander, Harris, Asif, Zaheer, Southee, Bond (briefly), etc making life quite difficult for the batsmen.
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Junaid doesn't even make the same sentence as Hassan or Pattinson or Cummins. A mono-paced trundler post 2014 whose only performance of significance was in this champions trophy and even that wasn't ground breaking and was overshadowed by Hasan, the real find of the last 5 years.
 
Bilal7 said:
Starc is the better bowler as of now but I expect both of them to retire as ATGs. Anything below that would be a let-down.

Amir, Starc, Rabada, Hazlewood, Boult and then the guys a level down like Junaid, Shami, Henry, Cummins, Pattinson, Hassan, etc playing in the same era is great for cricket but terrible for the batsmen.

People always say that the quality of pace-bowling has gone down but that is definitely not the case. The last generation was also loaded with the likes of Steyn, Anderson, Johnson, Broad, Philander, Harris, Asif, Zaheer, Southee, Bond (briefly), etc making life quite difficult for the batsmen.
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Your two categories are completely messed up really.
If they stay injured free, Cummins and Pattinson are world class bowlers. Surely better than Rabada and Boult. Don't know about the other 3.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]????? Very worrisome for Bangladesh that Mustafiz has been very poor..
 
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DRsohail said:
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]????? Very worrisome for Bangladesh that Mustafiz has been very poor..
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He was a bit LO specialist always, and wicket dependent bowler. Still, he'll be difficult to score off in LOs because of his variations & intelligence, but unless he adds a stock ball, in longer format or when batsmen are not after him, he'll struggle to get through the defense of batsmen.

But, above all - he has to fix his physical capability. I have seen him clocking 143KM, which is very good for 4 overs cricket, but if he is to stay in International circuits, must have to get stronger. What he needs is couple of years in County, preferably for longer format, so that his body gets accustomed with the work load of a 4/5 day match & cricket throughout year.
 
Someone who's in his right mind won't write the name of starc and amir in the same sentence. Amir is extremely overhyped on this message board.

Starc is perhaps the best left arm bowler of modern time who's destined to be one of the greatest of all time whereas amir at most can be considered as a decent bowler, nothing more than that.



Doesn't amir average 40 or something like that with the ball outside England against top 8 in test?
 
Waterfall said:
Someone who's in his right mind won't write the name of starc and amir in the same sentence. Amir is extremely overhyped on this message board.

Starc is perhaps the best left arm bowler of modern time who's destined to be one of the greatest of all time whereas amir at most can be considered as a decent bowler, nothing more than that.



Doesn't amir average 40 or something like that with the ball outside England against top 8 in test?
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Nope, he dosen't average 40 or something like that outside England against top 8 in test.
 
Gilly there is no need for this

Amir has seriously regressed, he was so much better and faster in 2010. The five years of no professional cricket did permanent damage to his bowling.
 
Amir is below Starc, Rabada, Hazlewood, Boult and possibly Cummins as well.
 
Gilly rubbing it in but some of the hype around Amir's overall mediocre performances have warranted this..
 
Finally Paris is back. The big bash game he played last week was his first senior level pro match for almost 2 years.
 
Lol @ Amir being compared to Starc and being hailed as one of the best left arm pacers. The guy's done jack all since his return 2 years ago. He's finished. Can be an okay-ish economical bowler at most. People need to face the fact the teenage Amir we all knew is gone. He only has himself to blame for destroying his career.
 
Lynx said:
Lol @ Amir being compared to Starc and being hailed as one of the best left arm pacers. The guy's done jack all since his return 2 years ago. He's finished. Can be an okay-ish economical bowler at most. People need to face the fact the teenage Amir we all knew is gone. He only has himself to blame for destroying his career.
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I agree we shouldn’t be comparing him to Starc but Amir is nowhere near finished. He will only get better and better working under Azhar.
 
I feel Amir still hasn't got test fitness level, he struggles a lot, and his pace drops considerably as the match progresses.
 
Amir hands down, Starc couldn't help his team in CT. Amir delivered when it mattered the most
 
Raja Sab said:
Amir hands down, Starc couldn't help his team in CT. Amir delivered when it mattered the most
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Starc helped Aus win a World cup.. Stop gloating over CT already. it was not even all that popular and was about to be discontinued. Only India's win in 2015 resurrected it. I am sure every Pak fan will take a world cup win for couple of CT wins.. I sure will as an Indian fan.. By the way India has reached final of CT three times and has won it twice. So i am not playing it down..
 
Aside from biased pakistan fans no one in the world rates Amir better than Starc or even same as him. Looks like even OP is biased though i have a very high regards for him (we are all humans). Boult certainly has done much better than Amir and has better stats and performances to backup claim for the top/second best left armers among the current lot. Infact even if Boult hangs up his boots in next couple of years due to his injuries, Amir will find it difficult to match his stats by end of his career Boult can end up with 300+ wickets in Tests and ODIs and probably 100+ wickets in T20Is. He currently has 335 international wickets at 26.5 compared to Amir's 190 at 29. Boult's is an excellent record whichever way you look at it. Starc is obviously leader of the pack with 334 wickets under 24. That is phenomenal whichever way you look it in this batting age and no way Amir is currently is comparable to him.
 
Mamoon said:
Amir is below Starc, Rabada, Hazlewood, Boult and possibly Cummins as well.
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and in LOI's way below Bumhra, ODI's way below Hassan Ali and in tests below both Bhuvi, Shami. I am, of course, referring to actual consistent performance rather than some mythical talent and potential which every pakistani player and their dogs seems to posses
 
Raja Sab said:
by taking 2 wickets ?
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Starc was the player of the series for God's sake. Also his two wickets didn't come defending a huge total. Stop hyping up Amir. he might end up a great player. But currently he isn't one
 
babajee said:
I agree we shouldn’t be comparing him to Starc but Amir is nowhere near finished. He will only get better and better working under Azhar.
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At the rate he's going, he'll get 'better' by the time he hits 30.
 
Has [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] retired from talent spotting?
 
Guys like Rahat Ali, Imran Khan and Suranga Lakmal have outperformed Amir in Tests. He's been toothless in that format. In ODI's there are at least around 10 bowlers who have been better than him and I can name them off the top of my head. Starc, Hazlewood, Rabada, Morkel, Shami, Bumrah, Hassan, Plunkett, Boult, Southee.

He's still living off the hype he generated all those years ago and people are still being fooled by it.
 
Joel Paris is better of lot , followed closely by amir and then starc is worst of all despite the facts he is in top 10 in most of the formats.
 
Amir should first aspire to better Neil Wagner and then take baby steps to come closer to Starc :)
 
What's more funnier than Amir's hardcore fans are the haters coming out in drives to trash him. It's a hilarious cycle. He performs, the bandwagon celebrates. He has a few okay performances, the haters come out with a dharna.
 
What's even more funny is that while the cricketing fraternity respects Amir's skills, Pakistani and Indians bash him like no tomorrow. Even on this forum, the neutral fans do think of him as a good bowler. What's even funnier than all this is that Amir's best performances since comeback have been against India and he produced one of the ATG spells in ODI cricket to win Pakistan a major trophy.
 
babajee said:
You’d think he was another Rahat Ali by what people here say
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Exactly.

In ODIs he's doing a good job, just needs to be more attacking.

In tests we are asking too much from him. Need to play a 5 man attack. He should bowl a longer spell with new ball and than after that he should bowl short and sharp spells at a quick pace. The reason his pace is down in tests at times because he knows he will have to bowl long spells in a 4 man attack. Which is a lot of wear and tear on a fast bowler.
 
Hasan123 said:
Amir is a good bowler. He gets too much hate on this forum.
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When someone gets too much love they are bound to get too much hate when they are found out to be mediocre. You would be the first one to accept Amir's performance in the last two years does not merit a comparison with Starc, who is probably top five in all format. Amir might go on to become a great player, but as of now he is pretty mediocre and certainly doesn't count among the best in any format.
 
Hasan123 said:
Amir is a good bowler. He gets too much hate on this forum.
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That is because people expect too much from him.Look at when this thread was made.Amir had not even made his return to international cricket,yet was already being compared to Starc who had already won a WC for his country.We should keep our expectations low.

He is a good bowler with good ability but he is in no way close to Starc,who might go down as the best LO quick of our generation.
 
Gubol123 said:
When someone gets too much love they are bound to get too much hate when they are found out to be mediocre. You would be the first one to accept Amir's performance in the last two years does not merit a comparison with Starc, who is probably top five in all format. Amir might go on to become a great player, but as of now he is pretty mediocre and certainly doesn't count among the best in any format.
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He shouldn't be compared to Starc. Whilst Amir was banned our fast bowling was mediocre for the most part. He's better than other opitions in Pakistan.

One thing that annoys me about Amir is that he is capable of bowling with the intensity he did in the CT final, but doesn't for whatever reason . Also at times he bowls a defensive line. He needs to change those things.
 
Arham_PakFan said:
That is because people expect too much from him.Look at when this thread was made.Amir had not even made his return to international cricket,yet was already being compared to Starc who had already won a WC for his country.We should keep our expectations low.

He is a good bowler with good ability but he is in no way close to Starc,who might go down as the best LO quick of our generation.
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He did get a lot of hype for his performances versus England in 2010 in bowling friendly conditions.

Subcontinent fans always over hype or under sell players. There's nothing in between lol.
 
Time to revisit this thread in light of sandpaper-gate? How good would Starc be without his teammates having to cheat for him?
 
So, Can we start questioning the legendary status of past Pakistan bowlers bcz they have themselves admitted ball tampering themselves, if starc can questioned for what is team done
 
Starc looked rubbish in the 2nd and 3rd Tests, can't believe some posts on here hailing him as the new Akram :facepalm:
 
Starc will be able to reverse the ball, just not as ealry.
And there is no camparison between Amir and Starc because Starc is waay better than our 'golden boy'.
 
Starc was lethal in the first test. Injuries, I believe, took a toll on him in the other matches.
Cummins, on the other hand, is as good as they come. What quality he possesses! Rabada and Cummins are in a category of their own - a fab 2 of sorts - with Rabada ahead right now in the race.

Anyone else from the same age group and experience coming to the minds of you guys?
 
Even in this poor form, I think India would love to have someone like Amir. Apart from Zaheer, who was a no-show in many tests due to fitness issues and also on and off performances - respectable but not great - he was one of greats for India but not the level of international ATG. And Nehra was poor man's Zaheer in ODIs and T20s.

Amir, if he had been Indian, would have been nurtured well with the kind of eco system Indian cricket has. Still, I respect Amir and Wahab as respectable bowlers in the last 7-8 years. If Amir takes a break and goes to county cricket and Big Bash League, he will learn both swing and yorkers or atleast remember how he used to do it 8 years ago. Anyway, wish him better future for the sake of cricket.
 
Bangladesh_Fan said:
So, is this still valid in September 2018? Or can we change our mind
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Mustafiz was amongst wickets only against Afghanistan and Pakistan. Afghanistan lost that match purely due to brain fade and mindless slogging in last two overs otherwise they dominated Mustafiz. In defending those runs in last over Mustafiz did no “ kamaal “ , rather it was Rashid and Gul Badin Naib who lost it for Afg. There was nothing special in that last over.


Than Mustafiz performed against Pakistan whose batting lineup was as good as Hong Kong in Asia Cup batting Malik and Imam ul Haq. Most other batters were as worse as Hong Kong number 4 to number 11 and SL batters. So Mustafiz taking wickets against Pak was nothing special.


Mustafiz had 3 overs to dismiss number 10 and number 11 of Pak team and he created only 1 opportunity in space of 18 balls. Shaheen & Junaid could not be dislodged. That sums up his ability.


Mustafiz can only be good or average against Top 5 Odi and Test batting units because now most quality batsman easily pick his cutters (variety). Hence his chances to excel against top batting units limits only to T20 and T10 cricket.



The only quality fast bowler Bangladesh has unearthed in last 25 years is indeed Taskeen Ahmed and for a short stint Rubel Hussain of WC 2015. That’s it.


Mustafiz is a “ fancy variety “


Look out for this Post in next 2 years. It would be downhill from here no matter how fit he gets.
 
Never heard Joel Paris before this? What happened to this phantom?
 
AMSS said:
Never heard Joel Paris before this? What happened to this phantom?
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He is fit again and if he doesn’t get unfit than He will be seen in Aussie colours soon. He is in same league wrt talent & skillset as Pat Cummins but he too is injury prone.
 
Another injury for Paris keeps him out of the BBL.

Starc isn’t doing too well in Tests at the moment.

Amir looking pretty good in South Africa.
 
2018 test matches:

Starc 31 wickets @ 33;
Amir 16 wickets @ 19;
Boult 33 wickets @ 24.

2018 ODIs:

Starc 11 wickets @ 37;
Amir 3 wickets @ 100;
Boult 22 wickets @ 29.
 
Gabbar Singh said:
2018 test matches:

Starc 31 wickets @ 33;
Amir 16 wickets @ 19;
Boult 33 wickets @ 24.

2018 ODIs:

Starc 11 wickets @ 37;
Amir 3 wickets @ 100;
Boult 22 wickets @ 29.
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2018 T20Is

Starc 1 wicket @ 26 Eco 6.50
Amir 14 wickets @ 15.50 Eco 6.57
Boult 11 wickets @ 25.27 Eco 9.31

Starc isn't the best in any format currently.
 
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