The Big 3 produce the best quality of cricket when they face each other

[MMHS]

2019 World Cup

Pakistan v West Indies (sold out) 90% Pakistan crowd

Pakistan v England (sold out) 35% Pakistan crowd against the hosts

Pakistan v Sri Lanka, 80% Pakistan crowd

Pakistan v Australia (sold out) 95% Pakistan crowd

Pakistan v India (sold out a few hours) 70% Indian crowd

Pakistan v Afghanistan (sold out) 70% Pakistan crowd

Pakistan v South Africa, 90% Pakistan crowd

Pakistan v New Zealand (sold out) 95% Pakistan crowd

Pakistan v Bangladesh (sold out) 75% Pakistan crowd

Really - I am surprised to see 25% Bangladeshi crowd in that game; I thought it was may be 1-2%.

By the way, can I have a source of these stats? I actually didn’t know that they sell ticket or count spectators based on their ethnic origin. Must be a wonderful marketing tactics and the software they used for this one has to be something special.

Just to make it clear - I am not questioning your stats, it must have to be true, like 10% WIN crowd in a game involving WIN in UK & 30% Bangladeshi crowd in a game in south London. I am just asking about the source of this information, because, next time when Indians would demand 70% revenue share, may be we’ll be able to cross check few numbers with this tool.

Any credible link will do. However, by credible I am not talking about blog posts - otherwise, someday, someone might post in PakPassion that there were 105% Indian crowd in a Lord’s Test and it’ll become as a source of information.

 

[Rana]

Really - I am surprised to see 25% Bangladeshi crowd in that game; I thought it was may be 1-2%.

By the way, can I have a source of these stats? I actually didn’t know that they sell ticket or count spectators based on their ethnic origin. Must be a wonderful marketing tactics and the software they used for this one has to be something special.

Just to make it clear - I am not questioning your stats, it must have to be true, like 10% WIN crowd in a game involving WIN in UK & 30% Bangladeshi crowd in a game in south London. I am just asking about the source of this information, because, next time when Indians would demand 70% revenue share, may be we’ll be able to cross check few numbers with this tool.

Any credible link will do. However, by credible I am not talking about blog posts - otherwise, someday, someone might post in PakPassion that there were 105% Indian crowd in a Lord’s Test and it’ll become as a source of information.

There is no official stats or at least I don’t know where to find them. However, this is generally what I perceived as I was in attendance for most of these games. I don’t think these stats are 100% correct but they are quite a decent shout. The India/Pakistan game on paper was a 90% Indian crowd, as it was Indians who bought the tickets as soon as they could. Most Pakistanis who attended the fixture bought tickets from Indian sellers with their names still on them.

The point is, Pakistan in England are undoubtedly a huge crowd puller.

 

[MMHS]

There is no official stats or at least I don’t know where to find them. However, this is generally what I perceived as I was in attendance for most of these games. I don’t think these stats are 100% correct but they are quite a decent shout. The India/Pakistan game on paper was a 90% Indian crowd, as it was Indians who bought the tickets as soon as they could. Most Pakistanis who attended the fixture bought tickets from Indian sellers with their names still on them.

The point is, Pakistan in England are undoubtedly a huge crowd puller.

So, let me get this correct - there is no official data on this; rather you perceived those figures. No worries, I got it.

There is no point either - every team is crowd puller in UK, because cricket is a British game expanded mostly within British raj and still followed by only those few countries - there is a massive percentage of diaspora of these later independent countries in UK, who follow their team in UK visits, once in every 4-5 years.

The topic of this thread is regarding Big 3 and I actually do agree with that - the reason is Big 3 are also consistently the best three teams around. In near past, SAF was one of the biggest crowd puller despite not being part of big three and in distant past that WIN team was paid extra money to visit & play even exhibition games, PAK also was among the most popular neutral teams - because of the quality of the cricket and individuals playing for those two teams. At present, it’s the Big 3 & Best 3 are synonymous and the gap is embarrassingly wide, hence the quality & intensity of the games are totally at different level; though Kiwis have made their own status even in Big 3 era and they do have neutral followings.

One identifiable difference these days is, IND-AUS-ENG rests some of their players with games against others, may be bar NZ; but they try to put their best XI when facing each other’s - that’s not only from cricket perspectives, but they do it from commercial angle as well - I can bet my house that in a triangular between these three, BCCI won’t rest Kohli, even if the games are in UAE. But that doesn’t mean, outside Big three there can’t be any good games or some games involving big 3 can’t be vegetables soup...

 

[Rana]

So, let me get this correct - there is no official data on this; rather you perceived those figures. No worries, I got it.

There is no point either - every team is crowd puller in UK, because cricket is a British game expanded mostly within British raj and still followed by only those few countries - there is a massive percentage of diaspora of these later independent countries in UK, who follow their team in UK visits, once in every 4-5 years.

The topic of this thread is regarding Big 3 and I actually do agree with that - the reason is Big 3 are also consistently the best three teams around. In near past, SAF was one of the biggest crowd puller despite not being part of big three and in distant past that WIN team was paid extra money to visit & play even exhibition games, PAK also was among the most popular neutral teams - because of the quality of the cricket and individuals playing for those two teams. At present, it’s the Big 3 & Best 3 are synonymous and the gap is embarrassingly wide, hence the quality & intensity of the games are totally at different level; though Kiwis have made their own status even in Big 3 era and they do have neutral followings.

One identifiable difference these days is, IND-AUS-ENG rests some of their players with games against others, may be bar NZ; but they try to put their best XI when facing each other’s - that’s not only from cricket perspectives, but they do it from commercial angle as well - I can bet my house that in a triangular between these three, BCCI won’t rest Kohli, even if the games are in UAE. But that doesn’t mean, outside Big three there can’t be any good games or some games involving big 3 can’t be vegetables soup...

Do you have a doubt that my perception of those figures is incorrect? Would love to hear it

 

[topspin]

2019 World Cup

Pakistan v West Indies (sold out) 90% Pakistan crowd

Pakistan v England (sold out) 35% Pakistan crowd against the hosts

Pakistan v Sri Lanka, 80% Pakistan crowd

Pakistan v Australia (sold out) 95% Pakistan crowd

Pakistan v India (sold out a few hours) 70% Indian crowd

Pakistan v Afghanistan (sold out) 70% Pakistan crowd

Pakistan v South Africa, 90% Pakistan crowd

Pakistan v New Zealand (sold out) 95% Pakistan crowd

Pakistan v Bangladesh (sold out) 75% Pakistan crowd

It’s hard to disagree with these estimates.

 

[Rana]

It’s hard to disagree with these estimates.

Yeah I want MMHS brother to comment his views, for canonical purposes.

 

[MMHS]

Yeah I want MMHS brother to comment his views, for canonical purposes.

I think these are over stated figures to make PAK look better or more popular than they actually are; but again that’ll be my perception without any evidence - hardly matters. However, I have to say from the price of tickets in PAK games, I think the marketing team of WC 2019 made a gross mistake in estimating the sell value of PAK cricket team, but again that’s my analysis, hardly matters.

 

[Rana]

I think these are over stated figures to make PAK look better or more popular than they actually are; but again that’ll be my perception without any evidence - hardly matters. However, I have to say from the price of tickets in PAK games, I think the marketing team of WC 2019 made a gross mistake in estimating the sell value of PAK cricket team, but again that’s my analysis, hardly matters.

Lol, first they are probably correct because England is a big pool for the diaspora and now they are probably overstated?

And Pak isn’t as popular in England according to you? That too in a World Cup?

 

[watson367]

Its true. Quality of cricket is going down day by day. Only a select few teams compete at "the top level". SA,Pak,SL, and WI are no longer the mercurial teams they once were.

 

[MMHS]

Lol, first they are probably correct because England is a big pool for the diaspora and now they are probably overstated?

And Pak isn’t as popular in England according to you? That too in a World Cup?

First part of my point is correct - cricket
matches excluding host sales best in UK because of the diaspora, regardless of teams who are playing - something you also agreed.

The second part is indeed overstated to remind the popularity of Pakistan team and I asked you to prove that it’s not overstated - so, you got into trouble.

 

[Sidilicious]

Can some one quote the price of a Pak vs SL Game and SL vs Bangladesh game. Both games took place on the same ground and against the same opponents. The price of the ticket of the same stand would provide good comparison. We can once for all clear the MMHS vs Rana discussion.

No need to haul unnecessary insults at one of the most respected posters on the forum.

 

[Sidilicious]

Isnt it expected that the big 3 will play the best cricket? If it was not the case, I would have to question the management of the big 3. When you have the money, you are able to develop the domestic structure in such a way that you have a stream of star players coming along.

In the last WC, if you compare the an Eng vs India or an Aus v India, it had much more star factor than a WI v Pak match.

For example - India had about 3 superstars(Rohit, Kohli, Dhoni) and a few upcoming stars/mid level stars (Bumrah, Pandya, Dhawan and even Kuldeep), and Aus had 3 superstars (Warner, Smith, Starc) and a couple of mid level stars.

Pakistan has only 1 superstar (Babar, that not mega superstar status of Smith, Kohli yet. He will get there) and a couple of mid tier stars (Amir and Malik). WI had 1 super star 3-4 mid tier stars.

So obviously, a game involving the big 3 will be more attractive than one sans the big 3.

The way Bangladesh is going, I expect Bangladesh to come close to the big 3. They have a professional setup and growing economy. They have shown the ability to sustain the growth and development. There will be setbacks, but as Bangladesh's per capita GDP improves, I expect their cricket to improve too (about a 5-10 year delay, as seen with India. It takes a while for the setup to show results).

Despite its economic growth, I am not convinced that Pakistan has a professional setup. Wasim Khan is a start but this needs to be sustained over a longer period of time.

 

[Rana]

Can some one quote the price of a Pak vs SL Game and SL vs Bangladesh game. Both games took place on the same ground and against the same opponents. The price of the ticket of the same stand would provide good comparison. We can once for all clear the MMHS vs Rana discussion.

No need to haul unnecessary insults at one of the most respected posters on the forum.

You seem to already know the answer, why dont you share it? And what insult have I hurled at him in the first place. Ive called him brother MMHS who wants to have a canonical discussin. He is refuting my stats on the basis of his perception that Pakistan isnt a popular side apparently.

I stick by those stats unless someone can categorically prove that I over exaggerated them. The Pak v Australia and Pak v New Zealand games were practically 95% Pakistan attendence

 

[Slim]

LOL What?

Pakistan - England test matches are more fun to watch than England smashing India when they play in England.

Similarly, its more fun to watch Australia - South Africa tests than watching Australia smash Pakistan when they play in Australia.

Hasan, not sure whats wrong with you man. You are delusional.

 

[Slim]

You seem to already know the answer, why dont you share it? And what insult have I hurled at him in the first place. Ive called him brother MMHS who wants to have a canonical discussin. He is refuting my stats on the basis of his perception that Pakistan isnt a popular side apparently.

I stick by those stats unless someone can categorically prove that I over exaggerated them. The Pak v Australia and Pak v New Zealand games were practically 95% Pakistan attendence

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] is normally a decent chap but his jingoism gets the worst of him and then he starts predicting Pakistan's cricket future to be a compatriot of Uganda.

 

[Rana]

First part of my point is correct - cricket
matches excluding host sales best in UK because of the diaspora, regardless of teams who are playing - something you also agreed.

The second part is indeed overstated to remind the popularity of Pakistan team and I asked you to prove that it’s not overstated - so, you got into trouble.

I have no burden of proof, I dont need to as it is you who seem to have an issue with it. I reiterate that those estimates are pretty much accurate. I dont know if you were listening to the commentary of those matches on the radio or following them here on Pak Passion, you can always revisit them on youtube to get a better sense.

After India, Pakistan cricket team is the most followed side in England and there isn't anything you can do to change that fact.

 

[Rana]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] is normally a decent chap but his jingoism gets the worst of him and then he starts predicting Pakistan's cricket future to be a compatriot of Uganda.

I love these kinds of posters especially when they apparently go out hunting or looking to act smarter than they actually are. Just like Rohit Sharma waits for a schoolboy spinner to bowl at him in the middle overs.

 

[Mesozoic]

I love these kinds of posters especially when they apparently go out hunting or looking to act smarter than they actually are. Just like Rohit Sharma waits for a schoolboy spinner to bowl at him in the middle overs.

True.

 

[Rana]

True.

Mark my words, Shadab Khan will end Sharma’s career in the 2023 wc

 

[Mesozoic]

Mark my words, Shadab Khan will end Sharma’s career in the 2023 wc

Marked.

He's gonna retire himself. He will be 37.

 

[Sidilicious]

You seem to already know the answer, why dont you share it? And what insult have I hurled at him in the first place. Ive called him brother MMHS who wants to have a canonical discussin. He is refuting my stats on the basis of his perception that Pakistan isnt a popular side apparently.

I stick by those stats unless someone can categorically prove that I over exaggerated them. The Pak v Australia and Pak v New Zealand games were practically 95% Pakistan attendence

I dont know the prices and I do believe that Pakistan gets greater support in England than Bangladesh.

But you are being disingenuous by comparing numbers between Pakistan and New Zealand. How many Pakistanis vs Kiwis live in England? On top of that Kiwis would be more into Rugby Union than cricket. So its obvious that Pakistanis would attend in greater numbers than Kiwis. Same with SA and WI.

Also this attendance tells nothing about a teams quality of cricket. Even when India was being thrashed left right and center in the 90s in England, there Indian contingent in the crowd was significant. Indians would of course want to see an India match, and Pakistanis would want to see a Pakistani match.

 

[Rana]

I dont know the prices and I do believe that Pakistan gets greater support in England than Bangladesh.

But you are being disingenuous by comparing numbers between Pakistan and New Zealand. How many Pakistanis vs Kiwis live in England? On top of that Kiwis would be more into Rugby Union than cricket. So its obvious that Pakistanis would attend in greater numbers than Kiwis. Same with SA and WI.

Also this attendance tells nothing about a teams quality of cricket. Even when India was being thrashed left right and center in the 90s in England, there Indian contingent in the crowd was significant. Indians would of course want to see an India match, and Pakistanis would want to see a Pakistani match.

I mean there is always an excuse isnt there to Prove Pakistan isnt a popular cricket side in England. To be popular, you need decades of history and a HOF of bonafide legends who have played the game. Pakistan have that no matter how poor their current team is. They are still the second most followed team in the world and their fans turn up in droves in London, Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Leicester and even in parts of Wales. Let me throw some more stats out there...

England v Pakistan 2017 CT semi final, 60% Pakistan crowd at Cardiff!

Pakistan v South Africa 2009 T20 wc semi final, 95% Pakistan crowd at Trent Bridge

Not sure why Pakistan's popularity is being mentioned along the same line as Bangladesh when it comes to matches in England in the first place. Bangladesh need a few more decades, and actually win Test matches in England or ICC trophies before they can reach the level of Pakistan, which is second to India.

 

[Rana]

Marked.

He's gonna retire himself. He will be 37.

But Shadab will end it just like Mohd Irfan ended Gambhir's career

 

[Rana]

I dont want to use harsh words and get accused of being disrespectful to posters who deserve respect in return apparently, but it amazes me to see people waste hours and hours of their life on a Pakistani cricket forum only to state that Pakistan isnt a popular side as we would imagine.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Australia vs South Africa Test series is almost always a banger and produces some excellent nail biters.

B/L ODI series don't really fascinate me unless it's my own team playing.

Cricket in England is usually almost always enjoyable regardless of which team is playing. Even their vitality blast has considerable crowd.

 

[Mesozoic]

But Shadab will end it just like Mohd Irfan ended Gambhir's career

Sure man whatever you want.

My advice would be to lower your expectations (if at all they're legit and you aren't just trolling around). ATM, Shadab seems like a guy who will rather extend careers with his charitable (to put it respectfully) bowling.

 

[Sidilicious]

I mean there is always an excuse isnt there to Prove Pakistan isnt a popular cricket side in England. To be popular, you need decades of history and a HOF of bonafide legends who have played the game. Pakistan have that no matter how poor their current team is. They are still the second most followed team in the world and their fans turn up in droves in London, Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Leicester and even in parts of Wales. Let me throw some more stats out there...

England v Pakistan 2017 CT semi final, 60% Pakistan crowd at Cardiff!

Pakistan v South Africa 2009 T20 wc semi final, 95% Pakistan crowd at Trent Bridge

Not sure why Pakistan's popularity is being mentioned along the same line as Bangladesh when it comes to matches in England in the first place. Bangladesh need a few more decades, and actually win Test matches in England or ICC trophies before they can reach the level of Pakistan, which is second to India.

You seem to have some comprehension issues. At no point have I suggested that Bangladesh is more popular than Pakistan. And why are numbers in England the only measuring stick? How about numbers in Australia & NZ? The reason you are comparing the numbers in England is because there are more Pakistanis in ENgland. Do you get that?? And thats why there are more Indians in India vs any team matches in India too.

Now coming to Bangladesh - My statement is that Bangladesh have a competitive board, who know where to put their money for the long term benfit. If you compare Bangladesh domestics 5 years back to today, you can see that they have been making steady improvements in the domestic structure and investing in the right areas. Can you say the same about PCB and Pakistan cricket? Can you confidently say that Pakistan Domestic cricket is in a much better shape today than 5 or 10 years? These things matter and will have an impact 10 years down the line.

As for the Paskistan team - They dont have any stars except Babar Azam and Md Amir. Most non-Pakistanis would not be able to name any other Pakistan players. The biggest memory of your captain from last WC was of him yawning. All other captains Faf, Kane, Fince et all have way more star power than your captain. Hell, even Mashrafe Mortaza had more star power than Sarfaraz.

And its not like non-Pakistanis are queing to watch Pakistan play. The most of the supporters in the stand were actual British Pakistanis. And just add, same is the case for India.

 

[MMHS]

I am not sure how to place the argument here when the discussion takes a wrong turn whenever one is questioned credibility.

Let me try one for the final time - the topic of this thread was the quality of cricket and is this really difficult to accept that the overall quality of cricket or any game will be better if it’s played between top sides, which currently IND-AUS-ENG are and coincidentally those are the three boards that formed so called big three. It’s not mutually inclusive that only Big three are always best 3 teams - like the WIN of 1980s, when there Board was no where near the financial muscles of Australia, England or even India, Pakistan. But yes, there can be quality cricket outside Big 3 and it’s true other way as well.

Now, here I saw an attempt to justify the “quality” term based on attendance share and quite confidently done so with self made statistics. And, have to say - it was bullish, without the use of “may be”, “probably”, “I think” ..... for an event that already had taken place.

Absolute nonsense attempt. Two years back Bangladeshi audiences out numbered Pakistani, even probably Indian spectators in Asia Cup in UAE - that doesn’t mean that the quality of cricket was that high by the team. Number of audience share just indicates the volume - interested people around the vicinity, may be a bit of average spending power as well, not the quality. To make it further clear - in 1980s, Dhaka Soccer league was one of the highest sold event in world in terms of % occupancy. Now, audience has access to English & Spanish league and it has cost the DSL massively, still the Mohammedan-Abahani clash is sold out. Same can be said for East Bengal-Mohan Baghan clash which often goes sell out at the mighty Salt Lake. It’ll be quite stupid if anyone tries to justify the quality of Soccer based on the attendance or occupancy at the Kolkata derby or Dhaka derby compared to Manchester, London, Milan or Madrid derby.

I do spend some time in PP indeed, but that’s now days a fraction of the most popular poster in PP these days - Junaids..... still, it gets ugly almost every day - like yesterday was the biological age of PAK cricketers, today the popularity ....... for a reason, and I can live with that.

 

[Pakhs]

Best 3 teams would produce the best quality of cricket not BIG 3. WC final was between NZ and England and produced the best match ever. However very little point of this thread similar thread can be made top 4 produce the best quality of cricket or top 5 or so on.

 

[Rana]

I am not sure how to place the argument here when the discussion takes a wrong turn whenever one is questioned credibility.

Let me try one for the final time - the topic of this thread was the quality of cricket and is this really difficult to accept that the overall quality of cricket or any game will be better if it’s played between top sides, which currently IND-AUS-ENG are and coincidentally those are the three boards that formed so called big three. It’s not mutually inclusive that only Big three are always best 3 teams - like the WIN of 1980s, when there Board was no where near the financial muscles of Australia, England or even India, Pakistan. But yes, there can be quality cricket outside Big 3 and it’s true other way as well.

Now, here I saw an attempt to justify the “quality” term based on attendance share and quite confidently done so with self made statistics. And, have to say - it was bullish, without the use of “may be”, “probably”, “I think” ..... for an event that already had taken place.

Absolute nonsense attempt. Two years back Bangladeshi audiences out numbered Pakistani, even probably Indian spectators in Asia Cup in UAE - that doesn’t mean that the quality of cricket was that high by the team. Number of audience share just indicates the volume - interested people around the vicinity, may be a bit of average spending power as well, not the quality. To make it further clear - in 1980s, Dhaka Soccer league was one of the highest sold event in world in terms of % occupancy. Now, audience has access to English & Spanish league and it has cost the DSL massively, still the Mohammedan-Abahani clash is sold out. Same can be said for East Bengal-Mohan Baghan clash which often goes sell out at the mighty Salt Lake. It’ll be quite stupid if anyone tries to justify the quality of Soccer based on the attendance or occupancy at the Kolkata derby or Dhaka derby compared to Manchester, London, Milan or Madrid derby.

I do spend some time in PP indeed, but that’s now days a fraction of the most popular poster in PP these days - Junaids..... still, it gets ugly almost every day - like yesterday was the biological age of PAK cricketers, today the popularity ....... for a reason, and I can live with that.

Complete joke.

You picked a fight that wasnt even there in the first place and you are now making hocus pocus up to justify your false bravado. Where did I state that the figures suggest Pakistan is a high quality team?? It was simply a response to a guy who claimed that the Big 3 draw the most crowed, which I believe is an overstatement, and here is my proof. Pakistan have earned their large attendance numbers due to decades of playing good cricket, producing high quality cricketers, producing memories that are wonderful and controversial at the same time. The below par players of today enjoy the popularity of those fans who admired the Imran Khans, Majid Khans, Zaheer Abbases, Inzimams, Waqar Younises, Wasim Akrams, Saeed Anwars, Mushtaq Ahmads, Abdul Qadirs etc. You name it, the fans in England stand firm alongside these boys because thats what loyalty is. Of course we do not have the crowd favourites like we used to around a decade ago, but it doesnt stop us to support this great Test nation with a rich history, and a great fan base that have a serious love for the game.

I still await your clear cut proof that my 'Bullish' facts are incorrect. Watch the Pak v New Zealand game again and listen to the crowd, you will know in your heart that everything I stated was true.

 

[MMHS]

Complete joke.

You picked a fight that wasnt even there in the first place and you are now making hocus pocus up to justify your false bravado. Where did I state that the figures suggest Pakistan is a high quality team?? It was simply a response to a guy who claimed that the Big 3 draw the most crowed, which I believe is an overstatement, and here is my proof. Pakistan have earned their large attendance numbers due to decades of playing good cricket, producing high quality cricketers, producing memories that are wonderful and controversial at the same time. The below par players of today enjoy the popularity of those fans who admired the Imran Khans, Majid Khans, Zaheer Abbases, Inzimams, Waqar Younises, Wasim Akrams, Saeed Anwars, Mushtaq Ahmads, Abdul Qadirs etc. You name it, the fans in England stand firm alongside these boys because thats what loyalty is. Of course we do not have the crowd favourites like we used to around a decade ago, but it doesnt stop us to support this great Test nation with a rich history, and a great fan base that have a serious love for the game.

I still await your clear cut proof that my 'Bullish' facts are incorrect. Watch the Pak v New Zealand game again and listen to the crowd, you will know in your heart that everything I stated was true.

No, PAK enjoys a good crowd in UK because cricket is followed there by mass and there are a sizeable Pakistani origin people who follows there team. Big three indeed draws most crowd - that you can figure it out from every boards home tour schedules. WC is not a good example on this topic because in Soccer WC, Costa Rica Vs Paraguay will also go sold out.

You stated some “facts“ with clear out numbers and I asked for the sources - now you are waiting me for to prove that your stats were incorrect- that’s a bit luxury, you know. I have seen that PAK-NZ game between two countries one has less population even in their own land than what other has expats living surrounding that stadium within driving distance..... even then you heard the roar with a green heart.

I hope you keep waiting and bump this thread everyday to check if I had brought the proof or not - that’ll keep this thread live and people to read out what I failed to prove ..... I don’t mind.

 

[Rana]

No, PAK enjoys a good crowd in UK because cricket is followed there by mass and there are a sizeable Pakistani origin people who follows there team. Big three indeed draws most crowd - that you can figure it out from every boards home tour schedules. WC is not a good example on this topic because in Soccer WC, Costa Rica Vs Paraguay will also go sold out.

You stated some “facts“ with clear out numbers and I asked for the sources - now you are waiting me for to prove that your stats were incorrect- that’s a bit luxury, you know. I have seen that PAK-NZ game between two countries one has less population even in their own land than what other has expats living surrounding that stadium within driving distance..... even then you heard the roar with a green heart.

I hope you keep waiting and bump this thread everyday to check if I had brought the proof or not - that’ll keep this thread live and people to read out what I failed to prove ..... I don’t mind.

Ill respond to you once I have finished my lunch, and then I’ll have you for desert...

 

[MMHS]

Ill respond to you once I have finished my lunch, and then I’ll have you for desert...

Breakfast wasn’t enough....?

Bro, you are trying desperately to bring Mods here for a rescue act - I won’t help. Keep posting - I am not going to answer any more and want these posts intact here. Thank you - enjoy your lunch.

 

[Rajdeep]

Considering cricket is only 10 team sport, we must not fight and enjoy all games. I personally love when India tours Aust/Eng but equally enjoy Asia cup/SL tour etc.

Big 3 is financial which is a result of hard work of the 3 boards. But cricket wise all teams are equal.

 

[Pakhs]

Considering cricket is only 10 team sport, we must not fight and enjoy all games. I personally love when India tours Aust/Eng but equally enjoy Asia cup/SL tour etc.

Big 3 is financial which is a result of hard work of the 3 boards. But cricket wise all teams are equal.

Its not result of hard work only. In India's case its result of 1.2 billion people and more with only one recognized sport among them. The other two are among the richest countries in the world.

 

[Pakhs]

You seem to have some comprehension issues. At no point have I suggested that Bangladesh is more popular than Pakistan. And why are numbers in England the only measuring stick? How about numbers in Australia & NZ? The reason you are comparing the numbers in England is because there are more Pakistanis in ENgland. Do you get that?? And thats why there are more Indians in India vs any team matches in India too.

Now coming to Bangladesh - My statement is that Bangladesh have a competitive board, who know where to put their money for the long term benfit. If you compare Bangladesh domestics 5 years back to today, you can see that they have been making steady improvements in the domestic structure and investing in the right areas. Can you say the same about PCB and Pakistan cricket? Can you confidently say that Pakistan Domestic cricket is in a much better shape today than 5 or 10 years? These things matter and will have an impact 10 years down the line.

As for the Paskistan team - They dont have any stars except Babar Azam and Md Amir. Most non-Pakistanis would not be able to name any other Pakistan players. The biggest memory of your captain from last WC was of him yawning. All other captains Faf, Kane, Fince et all have way more star power than your captain. Hell, even Mashrafe Mortaza had more star power than Sarfaraz.

And its not like non-Pakistanis are queing to watch Pakistan play. The most of the supporters in the stand were actual British Pakistanis. And just add, same is the case for India.

I know its not your main point of discussion but kindly can you also tell me when exactly (which decade) do you expect Bangladesh cricket "to get there". People been telling me that since I was around 12 now that I am in my 30 and average life span in the world for people my race being 65 do you expect them to get there in my life time? My peak year have been and gone and Bangladesh have not won anything of note.

 

[Rana]

Breakfast wasn’t enough....?

Bro, you are trying desperately to bring Mods here for a rescue act - I won’t help. Keep posting - I am not going to answer any more and want these posts intact here. Thank you - enjoy your lunch.

Lol rescue me from what? Typical of you to run away now that you needlessly picked a fight and ended up in a real scrap. I’ll spare you the embarrassment for now.

Pakistan Zindabad.

 

[naseem]

Considering cricket is only 10 team sport, we must not fight and enjoy all games. I personally love when India tours Aust/Eng but equally enjoy Asia cup/SL tour etc.

Big 3 is financial which is a result of hard work of the 3 boards. But cricket wise all teams are equal.

Dada tomar bari kothai

 

[naseem]

Its not result of hard work only. In India's case its result of 1.2 billion people and more with only one recognized sport among them. The other two are among the richest countries in the world.

Definitely....the seeds which are sown by Tendulkar and Dalmiya is bearing fruits now for 15 20 years......only diff is Famiya wanted inclusive growth as against selective growth of Big 3 and ICC......don't expect any different if Dada become Icc head....

 

[naseem]

Isnt it expected that the big 3 will play the best cricket? If it was not the case, I would have to question the management of the big 3. When you have the money, you are able to develop the domestic structure in such a way that you have a stream of star players coming along.

In the last WC, if you compare the an Eng vs India or an Aus v India, it had much more star factor than a WI v Pak match.

For example - India had about 3 superstars(Rohit, Kohli, Dhoni) and a few upcoming stars/mid level stars (Bumrah, Pandya, Dhawan and even Kuldeep), and Aus had 3 superstars (Warner, Smith, Starc) and a couple of mid level stars.

Pakistan has only 1 superstar (Babar, that not mega superstar status of Smith, Kohli yet. He will get there) and a couple of mid tier stars (Amir and Malik). WI had 1 super star 3-4 mid tier stars.

So obviously, a game involving the big 3 will be more attractive than one sans the big 3.

The way Bangladesh is going, I expect Bangladesh to come close to the big 3. They have a professional setup and growing economy. They have shown the ability to sustain the growth and development. There will be setbacks, but as Bangladesh's per capita GDP improves, I expect their cricket to improve too (about a 5-10 year delay, as seen with India. It takes a while for the setup to show results).

Despite its economic growth, I am not convinced that Pakistan has a professional setup. Wasim Khan is a start but this needs to be sustained over a longer period of time.

Wow so exciting was last Eng Aus match ....what a clinical victory 4 Aus.....wow....compare it with WC 19 final and semi in which Nz played......no comparison at all...... All hail new chickens......err chockers ........

 

[naseem]

Definitely....the seeds which are sown by Tendulkar and Dalmiya is bearing fruits now for 15 20 years......only diff is Famiya wanted inclusive growth as against selective growth of Big 3 and ICC......don't expect any different if Dada become Icc head....

It will be Dalmiya

 

[Pakhs]

It will be Dalmiya

Yes Sachin and Co made sure they are only good at one sport.

 

[Hasan123]

LOL What?

Pakistan - England test matches are more fun to watch than England smashing India when they play in England.

Similarly, its more fun to watch Australia - South Africa tests than watching Australia smash Pakistan when they play in Australia.

Hasan, not sure whats wrong with you man. You are delusional.

England and India had some close tests last time.

South Africa and Australia have good battles. I am just making the point that the quality of cricket is high when the big 3 play each other. The games are not always close but I think the quality is always good.

No need to get personal.

 

[Hasan123]

I'm not going to reply to everyone in this thread because I don't see the point. But some people don't understand the thread. I never said when other nations face the big 3 or none big 3 nations face each other the games are rubbish etc. I am just saying the quality is higher for the most part. Yes there are times when the big 3 face each other, there is a big win for a team. But even if there , the winning team will have someone play a quality innings or bowl a quality spell. I find when the none big 3 face each other a lot of the results are decided by a team having a bad day.

It's just my opinion, I don't mind if you disagree. But when you get people talking about crowd size for a game you just no they are talking nonsense.

 

[Rana]

I'm not going to reply to everyone in this thread because I don't see the point. But some people don't understand the thread. I never said when other nations face the big 3 or none big 3 nations face each other the games are rubbish etc. I am just saying the quality is higher for the most part. Yes there are times when the big 3 face each other, there is a big win for a team. But even if there , the winning team will have someone play a quality innings or bowl a quality spell. I find when the none big 3 face each other a lot of the results are decided by a team having a bad day.

It's just my opinion, I don't mind if you disagree. But when you get people talking about crowd size for a game you just no they are talking nonsense.

This whole thread is nonsense. Don’t get defensive now that you have created a party for everyone to wreck the house

 

[Ellipsism]

I'm not going to reply to everyone in this thread because I don't see the point. But some people don't understand the thread. I never said when other nations face the big 3 or none big 3 nations face each other the games are rubbish etc. I am just saying the quality is higher for the most part. Yes there are times when the big 3 face each other, there is a big win for a team. But even if there , the winning team will have someone play a quality innings or bowl a quality spell.I find when the none big 3 face each other a lot of the results are decided by a team having a bad day.


It's just my opinion, I don't mind if you disagree. But when you get people talking about crowd size for a game you just no they are talking nonsense.

I wonder where I’ve heard that one before. I just can’t put my finger on it...

 

[naseem]

This whole thread is nonsense. Don’t get defensive now that you have created a party for everyone to wreck the house

Exactly..

 

[MMHS]

Lol rescue me from what? Typical of you to run away now that you needlessly picked a fight and ended up in a real scrap. I’ll spare you the embarrassment for now.

Pakistan Zindabad.

That’s better - I won’t ask you about source here again. But, next time again before putting stats to glorify your team, remember what is scrap & how to run faster.

Bro, you’ll not end here with a smart last line, trust me - I have learnt how to deal with trolls. I’ll make sure that few trolls here remember the thread every time they bring Bangladesh uncalled for.

Pakistan needs Zindabad, no doubt in that.

 

[Rana]

No, PAK enjoys a good crowd in UK because cricket is followed there by mass and there are a sizeable Pakistani origin people who follows there team. Big three indeed draws most crowd - that you can figure it out from every boards home tour schedules. WC is not a good example on this topic because in Soccer WC, Costa Rica Vs Paraguay will also go sold out.

You stated some “facts“ with clear out numbers and I asked for the sources - now you are waiting me for to prove that your stats were incorrect- that’s a bit luxury, you know. I have seen that PAK-NZ game between two countries one has less population even in their own land than what other has expats living surrounding that stadium within driving distance..... even then you heard the roar with a green heart.

I hope you keep waiting and bump this thread everyday to check if I had brought the proof or not - that’ll keep this thread live and people to read out what I failed to prove ..... I don’t mind.

so, you do agree with this estimate, now do me another favour and watch 5-10 minutes of the rest of the games mentioned and see if I am exaggerating. If you want to come here and accuse me of making up stuff just for my own narrative, then you will be the one that will end up with a bloody nose, because in case you haven’t figured out by now, I’ll keep coming back.


I gave Bangladesh the benefit of the doubt with giving them a 25% attendance in comparison to Pakistan fans, it was you who brought Bangladesh in this argument in an uncalled for manner with your snark comments or 1-2%, only for it to back fire with not a single poster besides you questioning those statistics.

This is a fans forum in case you never realised and not an essay submission portal. 95% of the content published on here is is fiction, theoretical and personal sentiments. I simply made an estimate and you took this argument down the wrong line of asking for it to be fully sourced. Maybe you should also provide footnotes for each and every ESPN theories you present here? Or when you are providing opinions to random questions? Be very careful when demonstrating arrogance of this kind.

Anyways, you’ve verified one game. Only another 8 to go. On your bike now

 

[Rana]

No, PAK enjoys a good crowd in UK because cricket is followed there by mass and there are a sizeable Pakistani origin people who follows there team. Big three indeed draws most crowd - that you can figure it out from every boards home tour schedules. WC is not a good example on this topic because in Soccer WC, Costa Rica Vs Paraguay will also go sold out.

You stated some “facts“ with clear out numbers and I asked for the sources - now you are waiting me for to prove that your stats were incorrect- that’s a bit luxury, you know. I have seen that PAK-NZ game between two countries one has less population even in their own land than what other has expats living surrounding that stadium within driving distance..... even then you heard the roar with a green heart.

I hope you keep waiting and bump this thread everyday to check if I had brought the proof or not - that’ll keep this thread live and people to read out what I failed to prove ..... I don’t mind.

so, you do agree with this estimate, now do me another favour and watch 5-10 minutes of the rest of the games mentioned and see if I am exaggerating. If you want to come here and accuse me of making up stuff just for my own narrative, then you will be the one that will end up with a bloody nose, because in case you haven’t figured out by now, I’ll keep coming back.


I gave Bangladesh the benefit of the doubt with giving them a 25% attendance in comparison to Pakistan fans, it was you who brought Bangladesh in this argument in an uncalled for manner with your snark comments or 1-2%, only for it to back fire with not a single poster besides you questioning those statistics.

This is a fans forum in case you never realised and not an essay submission portal. 95% of the content published on here is is fiction, theoretical and personal sentiments. I simply made an estimate and you took this argument down the wrong line of asking for it to be fully sourced. Maybe you should also provide footnotes for each and every ESPN theories you present here? Or when you are providing opinions to random questions? Be very careful when demonstrating arrogance of this kind.

Anyways, you’ve verified one game. Only another 8 to go. On your bike now

 

[Geil]

But if we are honest , they are well clear of the rest of the other cricketing nations in terms of quality and consistency.

there is no doubt that IND AUS and Eng are top sides right now or have been in this 2010s decades but I dont agree that these big 3 teams are well clear of the rest of the other cricketing nations in terms of quality and consistency.

If you are making these three teams well clear of the rest of the other cricketing nations in terms of quality and consistency then you have to also compare how much consistent are these three teams against the other cricketing nations in terms of quality and consistency on the away tours.

The only team which I can remember and watched was well clear from rest of the teams was the Aus team in 2000"s who used to be competitive against every other nation even when they played away tours against teams like RSA , NZ , PAK , SL , WI

An Ind team struggles to produce quality and consistent cricket in tests when they play in RSA & NZ. An AUS & Eng team have struggled to be competitive in tests against a mid card team like Pak in UAE.

Overall home/away and in all three formats YES AUS IND Eng are consistent and is producing quality cricket than other nations but the gap isnt that huge as u are suggesting or lets put it in your words makes them well clear of the rest of the other cricketing nations in terms of quality and consistency.

A RSA and NZ isnt that far away from AUS & Eng in producing quality and consistency though Ind overall have been better even including AUS, ENG and other nations, maybe this has to do with the type of unbeatable performance they showcase against all teams at home and in ODI/T20 excluding Tests IND have been way more consistent that all other cricketing nations

Considering BIG THREE was formed in 2015 or 16 maybe so from that time,I would say in terms of quality and consistency its IND a gap and then AUS ENG RSA & NZ together a gap and then PAK a small gap then SL, WI & BAN

 

[Sidilicious]

I know its not your main point of discussion but kindly can you also tell me when exactly (which decade) do you expect Bangladesh cricket "to get there". People been telling me that since I was around 12 now that I am in my 30 and average life span in the world for people my race being 65 do you expect them to get there in my life time? My peak year have been and gone and Bangladesh have not won anything of note.

Less than 10 years, Bangladesh will be financially stronger board than PCB. Not big 3 league, but they will be the 4th strongest board financially.

 

[Pakhs]

Less than 10 years, Bangladesh will be financially stronger board than PCB. Not big 3 league, but they will be the 4th strongest board financially.

Read my question again. I didn't ask how much money they will have to pay their bureaucrats or players I couldn't care less about that. What I would like to know is when they will win anything meaningful. If you dont know its fine not many know.

 

[Sidilicious]

Read my question again. I didn't ask how much money they will have to pay their bureaucrats or players I couldn't care less about that. What I would like to know is when they will win anything meaningful. If you dont know its fine not many know.

And read my posts again! I never mentioned anything about on field performances. I mentioned about having a competent governance and not needing to beg for tours from other boards.

 

[Rana]

And read my posts again! I never mentioned anything about on field performances. I mentioned about having a competent governance and being financially independent so that one does not need to beg for tours from other boards.

Ah ok, I guess you are referring to England and Australia?

 

[Pakhs]

And read my posts again! I never mentioned anything about on field performances. I mentioned about having a competent governance and being financially independent so that one does not need to beg for tours from other boards.

Okay good so you don't know either if they will ever win anything meaningful anytime soon. I am not interested in how much money individuals are earning etc that's not why I watch sports.

 

[Hasan123]

Give me a series involving 2 of the big 3 over most other bilaterals series anyday of the week.

 

[MMHS]

Give me a series involving 2 of the big 3 over most other bilaterals series anyday of the week.

I was going to bump this one - you couldn’t have written it better, you couldn’t have.

 

[Hasan123]

I was going to bump this one - you couldn’t have written it better, you couldn’t have.

It's not just the quality, it's the intensity. You can really feel it. The teams desperately want to win and have 1 over each other!

 

[Hasan123]

Funny how most of yall gonna into hiding now. Enjoy your West Indies vs Pakistan, Bangladesh vs Sri Lanka.

Hope the big 3 organize more series against each other.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Funny how most of yall gonna into hiding now. Enjoy your West Indies vs Pakistan, Bangladesh vs Sri Lanka.

Hope the big 3 organize more series against each other.

It became funny and quite ridiculous to be frank, when some posters used “the crowd attendance” as the only measure to quantify the QUALITY of the game.lol

As I posted in my earlier post in this thread that the QUALITY in this case, is not measured by statistics and numbers - you gotta have an eye for it - and mostly veteran fans will understand.

Just look at how Starc batted today and imagine if Abbas had been sent in instead?

 

[MMHS]

It became funny and quite ridiculous to be frank, when some posters used “the crowd attendance” as the only measure to quantify the QUALITY of the game.lol

As I posted in my earlier post in this thread that the QUALITY in this case, is not measured by statistics and numbers - you gotta have an eye for it - and mostly veteran fans will understand.

Just look at how Starc batted today and imagine if Abbas had been sent in instead?

Abbas is no 11 so I think he would have batted as expected .... but imagine instead of Starc, if Shadab Khan was sent ......

 

[saeed5646]

Due to covid situation aus are playing their full strength team in limited over cricket .In the normal situation they would have played depleted side with the likes of boland,andrew tye in playing 11 .i can only imagine quality of cricket then

 

[naseem]

Funny how most of yall gonna into hiding now. Enjoy your West Indies vs Pakistan, Bangladesh vs Sri Lanka.

Hope the big 3 organize more series against each other.

Well Maxi Carey has one good game in a blue moon and poor captaincy cost england game.......credit to Maxi Carey Woakes...... But plz.....Big 3 only produces good quality cricket is bogus.... Yesterday no way Eng could make 300 after being 0 for 2..... Anyway......some matches of the World Cup 19 and the big 3 matches.....are a big proof of that.....

Most boring matches...
Ind v Eng.. yawn Dhoni Dhoni
Aus v Eng.. ohh well
Aus v Ind....... remember Warner's snail paced innings

Now some of the exciting matches...

Nz v Wi...
Pak v Afg
Ind v Afg
Sa v Aus...
Nz v Ind semi
Nz v Bd
Nz v Eng final...

Yawn yawn...

Have a sleep bro.....u must have been sleepless.....

 

[naseem]

Due to covid situation aus are playing their full strength team in limited over cricket .In the normal situation they would have played depleted side with the likes of boland,andrew tye in playing 11 .i can only imagine quality of cricket then

Actually that Jhyle Richardson guy is very good.... Another Richardson is okaish ....Others are just not that good....how many bowlers they tried.... Paris Sandhu Counter Nile....

 

[Hasan123]

It became funny and quite ridiculous to be frank, when some posters used “the crowd attendance” as the only measure to quantify the QUALITY of the game.lol

As I posted in my earlier post in this thread that the QUALITY in this case, is not measured by statistics and numbers - you gotta have an eye for it - and mostly veteran fans will understand.

Just look at how Starc batted today and imagine if Abbas had been sent in instead?

The game would have been over if Abbas was sent in lol.

This series deserved to have a crowd in front of it.

My point wasn't about big 3 games not having big crowds. It was about the quality.

 

[Slim]

[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] its hilarious to you see being giddy seeing the yesterday's ODI as some sort of a validation when it is a disgrace on how after taking 5 wickets around 80 - England still managed to capitulate the match.

But even lets say, in your great wisdom, we take this as some sort of a "product the best quality of cricket" type of a match then what was the 3rd T20I between Pakistan and England - which literally was the SAME script.

Man, this thread is an absolute joke.

 

[Slim]

I was going to bump this one - you couldn’t have written it better, you couldn’t have.

It's not just the quality, it's the intensity. You can really feel it. The teams desperately want to win and have 1 over each other!

So, what was the first test match between Pakistan and England or the third T20I between Pakistan and England???

 

[Rana]

[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] its hilarious to you see being giddy seeing the yesterday's ODI as some sort of a validation when it is a disgrace on how after taking 5 wickets around 80 - England still managed to capitulate the match.

But even lets say, in your great wisdom, we take this as some sort of a "product the best quality of cricket" type of a match then what was the 3rd T20I between Pakistan and England - which literally was the SAME script.

Man, this thread is an absolute joke.

Even if you try to take it seriously, where is the non big 3 game or series that is taking place to validate this?

England and Australia happen to be playing each other and all you read is a poster pretty much having an ultimate climax feeling about every six, every wicket taken by the English players or Australian players. Yes, two good teams are playing and they are going to play good cricket. Simple as that. Don’t see the point of looking down at all other countries besides the top 3

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan haven’t beaten Australia in an ODI series since 2002.

Pakistan haven’t beaten England in an ODI series since 2005.

This current batch of Pakistani players have lost 4 out of 5 ODIs to the current batch of Indian players, and 2 out of those 4 defeats came against an Indian team that was without their captain and arguably the greatest ODI batsman ever.

You cannot get anymore mediocre than that. So why would anyone want to watch Pakistan vs Big 3?

I can understand fans of South Africa and New Zealand taking offense over this characterization because their teams are capable of raising their game and even downing the Big 3 sides, but fans of small teams like Pakistan have no right to moan.

 

[MMHS]

So, what was the first test match between Pakistan and England or the third T20I between Pakistan and England???

The first Test was a perfect example of the melt down of an mediocre team against a professional outfit - they way PAK capitulated from the start of second innings and let England steal a Test match without much contributions from their top few players actually exposed the gap between class.

The third T20 was an exciting game indeed between two evenly matched sides - PAK vs an English side without 6-7 starters.

I guess now you see what OP tried to say here.....

 

[saeed5646]

Pakistan haven’t beaten Australia in an ODI series since 2002.

Pakistan haven’t beaten England in an ODI series since 2005.

This current batch of Pakistani players have lost 4 out of 5 ODIs to the current batch of Indian players, and 2 out of those 4 defeats came against an Indian team that was without their captain and arguably the greatest ODI batsman ever.

You cannot get anymore mediocre than that. So why would anyone want to watch Pakistan vs Big 3?

I can understand fans of South Africa and New Zealand taking offense over this characterization because their teams are capable of raising their game and even downing the Big 3 sides, but fans of small teams like Pakistan have no right to moan.

Pakistan have not hosted aus at home in 5 match odi series God knows when ..Don't remind me of 2019 series in uae where all the main player of pak were rested.

Other than that 2012 last time aus played in uae that too was 3 match odi series and 2008 when pakistan hosted aus in 3 match odi series .Just sums up how much little Pakistan have played against them at home and your argument doesn't make sense especially pak vs aus

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

There is a close competition between these three teams plus newzealand,so yeah a series between these 4 is usually
Close.
In ODIs The only batsman in Pakistan who can be put on the same pedestal as kohli,Sharma,finch,Smith,Warner,Buttler , stokes etc is babar .So it's obvious that these 4 teams are a level ahead of pak.

 

[Hasan123]

[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] its hilarious to you see being giddy seeing the yesterday's ODI as some sort of a validation when it is a disgrace on how after taking 5 wickets around 80 - England still managed to capitulate the match.

But even lets say, in your great wisdom, we take this as some sort of a "product the best quality of cricket" type of a match then what was the 3rd T20I between Pakistan and England - which literally was the SAME script.

Man, this thread is an absolute joke.

The only test that was close out of the 3 was the first one. All 3 ODIs England and Australia played were close lol.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan have not hosted aus at home in 5 match odi series God knows when ..Don't remind me of 2019 series in uae where all the main player of pak were rested.

Other than that 2012 last time aus played in uae that too was 3 match odi series and 2008 when pakistan hosted aus in 3 match odi series .Just sums up how much little Pakistan have played against them at home and your argument doesn't make sense especially pak vs aus

You are delusional if you think that Pakistan ODI team would fare better against the likes of England and Australia in Pakistan than they did in the UAE. The issue is the obvious gulf in quality between us and them, not the venue.

We can beat these sides in one-off games, but over a series, we don’t stand a chance.

Also, please don’t sell me the dummy of Pakistan getting blanked by Australia last year because we rested our players.

First, we have seen what miracles our main players have performed against the top ODI sides in the UAE, and second, the reserve players in that series actually did better than the first choice players they replaced.

Abid Ali replaced Fakhar and scored a century.

Haris replaced and Babar and scored two hundreds.

Rizwan replaced Sarfraz and also scored two hundreds.

We are a rubbish side with or without our main players.

 

[Khan12]

It became funny and quite ridiculous to be frank, when some posters used “the crowd attendance” as the only measure to quantify the QUALITY of the game.lol

As I posted in my earlier post in this thread that the QUALITY in this case, is not measured by statistics and numbers - you gotta have an eye for it - and mostly veteran fans will understand.

Just look at how Starc batted today and imagine if Abbas had been sent in instead?

Abbas doesn't play ODI's according to our last game it would have been Wahab and i am sure he could have hit one against Rashid. So take your hate somewhere else. Our 7 and 8 are Imad and Shadab. If Morgan didn't bowl Rashid the story would have been different.

 

[Khan12]

Abbas is no 11 so I think he would have batted as expected .... but imagine instead of Starc, if Shadab Khan was sent ......

Not sure about your hate for Shadab you pretty much drag him in everything. You are a much better poster then that. Abbas doesn't play ODI's. Plus our lower order contributes runs in ODI's, unlike tests.

 

[Rajdeep]

You are delusional if you think that Pakistan ODI team would fare better against the likes of England and Australia in Pakistan than they did in the UAE. The issue is the obvious gulf in quality between us and them, not the venue.

We can beat these sides in one-off games, but over a series, we don’t stand a chance.

Also, please don’t sell me the dummy of Pakistan getting blanked by Australia last year because we rested our players.

First, we have seen what miracles our main players have performed against the top ODI sides in the UAE, and second, the reserve players in that series actually did better than the first choice players they replaced.

Abid Ali replaced Fakhar and scored a century.

Haris replaced and Babar and scored two hundreds.

Rizwan replaced Sarfraz and also scored two hundreds.

We are a rubbish side with or without our main players.

Actually I think Pakistan's style of play suits more in UAE than in Pakistan. The low and slow wickets in UAE where 250 can be defended goes well with Pakistan's spinners. Part of the reason why likes of Ajmal & Hafeez was so successful there. Pitches in Pakistan are much more true and high scoring. Teams with superior batting line up like Ind, Aust or Eng will outscore Pakistan there in most games. Seam/Pace bowlers dont get assistance in either of the countries.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Pakistan have not hosted aus at home in 5 match odi series God knows when ..Don't remind me of 2019 series in uae where all the main player of pak were rested.

Other than that 2012 last time aus played in uae that too was 3 match odi series and 2008 when pakistan hosted aus in 3 match odi series .Just sums up how much little Pakistan have played against them at home and your argument doesn't make sense especially pak vs aus

Quick question. Who were the main players rested? I've never seen Pakistan rest their main players against even Zim, I am surprised they rested them against the Ozzies.

 

[saeed5646]

Quick question. Who were the main players rested? I've never seen Pakistan rest their main players against even Zim, I am surprised they rested them against the Ozzies.

The Main players whose presence helped white wash same aus team in t20 series in uae

Sarfaraz, Shadab Khan, Fakhar Zaman, Babar Zaman, Hasan Ali and Shaheen Shah Afridi