The Champions Trophy victory was NOT a fluke

[InziRules]

Here's a thread to prove to some of the people on here who like to think of a win as a fluke

Let's start with 2004, an arguable fluke as West Indies won the Champions Trophy. West Indies beat Bangladesh, South Africa, Pakistan and England en route to winning the Champions Trophy.

Of these wins, Bangladesh was a dreadful team, South Africa choked batting first, and Pakistan made one of the typically horrific decisions that only Pakistan can make. A miracle innings in the final led to a deserved win for West Indies. However, this tournament was only 4 matches long, and was won courtesy of a once in a life time partnership by the lower order, and a particularly horrific decision by Pakistan.

In 2006, the Champions of the World won the CT.

In 2009, again the Champions of the World won the CT

In 2013, the Champions of the world won the CT

In 2017, Pakistan won..... and it's a fluke, why?

Let's compare with the West Indies win. Pakistan were thrashed by India, and forced to make wholesale changes. These included the coming in of a couple of young gems.

It was these young players who spearheaded the victories over South Africa, Sri Lanka, and England. It was these young guns who won the final.

The final was a team performance, the likes of which Australia gave in finals.

In fact, the closest parallel to it is another final India played in, the 2003 World Cup Final. India were humiliated, thrashed and destroyed, proving that they were a horrible team compared to Australia.

Another comparison with the 2004 fluke is that the final was one sided. West Indies though, had a close final, with one stand out player. They also avoided Australia, the best team at the time, while Pakistan beat both England and India, the two contenders for the best ODI team in the tournament

The fluke aspect of it is so overstated by people with little knowledge. After the last fluke, it is the best team in the world that won the CT the next 3 times. However, it fits agendas to call it a fluke

It was not a fluke. Hassan Ali is still bowling well, Shadab is still a good player, Fakhar and Babar are still in the team. It was a team that was led superbly and won us silverware. But some Indians who call themselves Pakistanis but are actually traitors like to call it a fluke. Tell me then, why the last 3 winners of the CT have been world Champions? How does a team fluke 4 wins in a row, two of them utterly one-sided? Or maybe India just isn't as good as RAW has led them to believe?

 

[Sirris]

Unfortunately because of the final against india, critics in general just downplay our win by saying "after long struggle pak finally won one match against India and are now over the moon" . To me the CT final win was just the cherry on top.

The way we came back after the humiliating defeat in our first game and the way we kept on beating one team after another. Not just that, the fact that our victories against the opposition became more dominant as the tournament progressed, from winning because of rain against SA to winning by 180 runs against india. The way how the experts were saying "OK pak did well to come this for but surely they can't win this match. This is where to go home" and this was said before each match. But we kept on beating the odds and proved the experts wrong. All this cannot be chalked down as just one win against india in the final. To me the reason for euphoria is the whole CT story and team development and not just our last game of the tournament. How out of nowhere Hasan Ali came and announced himself to the world. Fakhar Zaman came and announced himself to the world. In the final game, Amir stepped up and proved his worth.

You can win one match by fluke, or maybe two. But you cannot win the whole tournament by fluke, you can not win four games one after another with the opponent getting stronger with each match.

 

[AAli98]

Nothing fluke about winning CT u don't smash SA SL ENG IND in foreign conditions by fluke.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Not a fluke at all.

 

[InziRules]

Nothing fluke about winning CT u don't smash SA SL ENG IND in foreign conditions by fluke.

Exactly, and agree with [MENTION=144682]Sirris[/MENTION] too, was shocked to see people here call it a fluke.

We destroyed England and India

 

[Hitman]

Only a naive ignorant idiot would call it a fluke.

 

[JattMaula]

People saying CT win fluke are either disingenuous or don't know anything about sports. Good teams always have chance to win trophies. Pakistan played best in tournament and won.

 

[DRsohail]

verry good to see positive and realistic comments from indians here.

 

[htariq25]

Here's a thread to prove to some of the people on here who like to think of a win as a fluke

Let's start with 2004, an arguable fluke as West Indies won the Champions Trophy. West Indies beat Bangladesh, South Africa, Pakistan and England en route to winning the Champions Trophy.

Of these wins, Bangladesh was a dreadful team, South Africa choked batting first, and Pakistan made one of the typically horrific decisions that only Pakistan can make. A miracle innings in the final led to a deserved win for West Indies. However, this tournament was only 4 matches long, and was won courtesy of a once in a life time partnership by the lower order, and a particularly horrific decision by Pakistan.

In 2006, the Champions of the World won the CT.

In 2009, again the Champions of the World won the CT

In 2013, the Champions of the world won the CT

In 2017, Pakistan won..... and it's a fluke, why?

Let's compare with the West Indies win. Pakistan were thrashed by India, and forced to make wholesale changes. These included the coming in of a couple of young gems.

It was these young players who spearheaded the victories over South Africa, Sri Lanka, and England. It was these young guns who won the final.

The final was a team performance, the likes of which Australia gave in finals.

In fact, the closest parallel to it is another final India played in, the 2003 World Cup Final. India were humiliated, thrashed and destroyed, proving that they were a horrible team compared to Australia.

Another comparison with the 2004 fluke is that the final was one sided. West Indies though, had a close final, with one stand out player. They also avoided Australia, the best team at the time, while Pakistan beat both England and India, the two contenders for the best ODI team in the tournament

The fluke aspect of it is so overstated by people with little knowledge. After the last fluke, it is the best team in the world that won the CT the next 3 times. However, it fits agendas to call it a fluke

It was not a fluke. Hassan Ali is still bowling well, Shadab is still a good player, Fakhar and Babar are still in the team. It was a team that was led superbly and won us silverware. But some Indians who call themselves Pakistanis but are actually traitors like to call it a fluke. Tell me then, why the last 3 winners of the CT have been world Champions? How does a team fluke 4 wins in a row, two of them utterly one-sided? Or maybe India just isn't as good as RAW has led them to believe?

I agree with what you said but I think it isn't right for u to say "Indians who call themselves Pakistanis call it a fluke". We always blame Indians for every criticism made yet there are many pakpassioners like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] who have stupidly pessimistic views on everything. We could win the world cup and be number 1 in all 3 formats and the likes of mamoon will still not be happy.
I agree it's pathetic to call this champions trophy win a fluke though.

 

[Itachi]

No indians here said it's a fluke.

 

[htariq25]

verry good to see positive and realistic comments from indians here.

I don't get the hate for Indians. If anything it's Pakistanis that called this victory a fluke. I will once again mention [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] who is the most pessimistic guy on pp and once again reckons it's a "fluke"

 

[htariq25]

No indians here said it's a fluke.

Exactly. Typical of us Pakistani fans to blame everything on Indians.

 

[shaz619]

I don't see how a championship win can be a fluke, it's like saying Tyson Fury won the lineal world championship because it was a fluke in that he just showed up, did nothing and a miracle occurred thanks to divine intervention. Our squad for once was a massive improvement over the one in 2013 and the boys prepared extremely well, they were hammered in the first game due to the nature of the contest and stage fright but displayed incredible fortitude to bounce back and made some key changes along the way, Pakistan earned the CT it wasn't handed to them.

Most people wouldn't say it's a fluke, there's just one famous celebrity on PP who will say it's a fluke.

 

[Bilal7]

Only an obnoxious troll would call a four- match winning streak a fluke.

No indians here said it's a fluke.

Unfortunately, it's the Pakistanis who say things like this.

 

[CricFan2012]

Real test for that statement is actually winning a series vs England, Australia and South Africa

 

[Usman Chadda]

This thread is feeding the troll. Its been obvious for a long time the poster you are talking about only posts to seek attention by going against the flow. I'm sure he himself doesn't think it was a fluke.

There are a lot of good posters on this website. Don't let the bad eggs get to you.

 

[Ellipsism]

The only way it can be certified that the CT wasn't simply a fluke victory is if we at least make a contest out of ODI's against the big dogs. The NZ tour will provide us with a lot of insight into whether this team is as good as we think it is.

 

[rashmin]

I am an Indian and no, it was not a fluke win. Pak won CT fair and square especially the final, which was won convincingly.

 

[www787]

never came across any Indian who said it was a fluke.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

who said its a fluke ?
Pakistan will win their next away series even in India, NZ, SA, Eng. Only team which will give us a real tough time is Aus. Mentally strong cricketers and our bowlers will be unlikely to restrict them around 230 on those wickets. Batsmen will struggle chasing 260 against Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins.

 

[Syed1]

Lovely to see our Indian friends themselves say it wasn't a fluke while some "Pakistanis" who cannot fathom the team doing well call it a fluke.

 

[MMHS]

No tournament win in fluke. It might look like a fluke because sometimes teams qualify marginally or are ranked lower, but they must have played really well to win any such tournament. On top of that, PAK blasted ENG & IND in 2 KO matches - SRL beat IND in previous match, it wasn't a walkover game.

For example, in soccer performance of Denmark (92), Greece (2004), or France (2006) might seen like a fluke, but these 3 teams teams played exceptional soccer in the main rounds of Euro & WC. Same can be said for Leicester City - fluke, but their 3 forwards, Kante, Drinkwater, Kasper and the back 4 played the dream football of their life time together in one season. In cricket as well - IND did beat WIN another time in that 1983 WC, did beat them 4 months back in WI and did beat host ENG in SF.

In a team game, if every or most players hit their top form at one time with couple of world class players in it, that team can surprise everyone, which we call fluke. SRL of 1996 or BD of 2015 wasn't fluke; rather most of the players reached their peak at same time - out put was much bigger than the average sum of 11. PAK had the MoS in their XI, Fakhar played his innings of life time, Amir raised his game to highest level and Sarfraz led the charge well - in a game like cricket, which is dominated by individuals, such 3/4 individuals are enough to win a tournament

 

[Sin Nombre]

It wasn't a fluke. At the same time, it doesn't necessarily mean the start of a new golden age of Pakistani LOI cricket.

This could be Pakistan's Greece 2004 moment where they beat the home nation and favourites Portugal twice and were deserving champions. However, it didn't lead to the start of a golden Greek era.

This could also be a Australian 1987 moment which led to a rejuventation of cricket down under.

Only time will tell.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Pakistan won aane do series because they caught India at the wrong time when they were phasing out oldies.

Pakistan drew a series in England because Anderson and Stokes did not play all the games.

Pakistan won CT because those were off days for England and India.

Pakistan's fortress UAE thing and #1 ranking was rubbish.

You are welcome to add more silly statements if I forgot any.

 

[giri26]

No tournament victory is a fluke. You need to play consistently to reach the knockouts and then need to play better than your opponent to win the title. Pakistan beat India fair and square, so nothing fluke about it.

 

[ahmadharis1]

I don't think it was a fluke but a lot of things had to go right for pakistan

 

[Syed1]

Pakistan won aane do series because they caught India at the wrong time when they were phasing out oldies.

Pakistan drew a series in England because Anderson and Stokes did not play all the games.

Pakistan won CT because those were off days for England and India.

Pakistan's fortress UAE thing and #1 ranking was rubbish.

You are welcome to add more silly statements if I forgot any.

India and South Africa bowling attacks are better than Pakistan

 

[Arham_PakFan]

In no way was the CT victory a fluke.We won because we played the better cricket.We should stop giving such attention to these atrocious statements.

 

[giri26]

In no way was the CT victory a fluke.We won because we played the better cricket.We should stop giving such attention to these atrocious statements.

To be frank all these statements are coming from Pakistan fans. No one else is calling Pakistan victory as fluke.

 

[Buffet]

Fluke can be an isolated match. Tournaments are not fluke.

 

[Sadevdesai]

It was NO Fluke for sure, but that day the Indians probably played their worst Cricket and we played our Best !!!!
I mean we had something to do with them not playing their Best !!! Don’t know what would have happened if it was a 3 game Series ???? Probably ..... 2-1 Us !!!!!

 

[Buffet]

It was NO Fluke for sure, but that day the Indians probably played their worst Cricket and we played our Best !!!!
I mean we had something to do with them not playing their Best !!! Don’t know what would have happened if it was a 3 game Series ???? Probably ..... 2-1 Us !!!!!

If you call final a fluke, you had to play really well to get to the final. Entire thing can't be called fluke.

 

[maxamax]

Yeah 80% of your team was new and not figured out. You were bowling in condition which suited you better than anyone else but oh well, not a fluke. You win!

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Yeah 80% of your team was new and not figured out. You were bowling in condition which suited you better than anyone else but oh well, not a fluke. You win!

England conditions suited us better than Eng and SA apparently!! where do I even......

 

[maxamax]

Fluke can be an isolated match. Tournaments are not fluke.

No tournament victory is a fluke. You need to play consistently to reach the knockouts and then need to play better than your opponent to win the title. Pakistan beat India fair and square, so nothing fluke about it.

4 games within weeks, against random opponents, new team, favorable conditions. I see huge fluke signs. Anyway, future series will reflect you the truth against better teams.

 

[maxamax]

England conditions suited us better than Eng and SA apparently!! where do I even......

They do as Eng dont have swing bowlers anymore.

 

[Hasan123]

Winning a tournament isn't a fluke. The run we went on was amazing.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

No, not fluke but need some time and series in foreign soil to conclude to some decision.

 

[IAJ]

No, not fluke but need some time and series in foreign soil to conclude to some decision.

What decision? If it was a fluke after all? They can be outplayed by Kiwis soon, but that has nothing to do with CT win. Pakistan played well and they got better and better as the tourny progressed. Everything clicked and they played to potential, that might not happen again, but looking at their emphatic win over SL you can clearly see that they are playing very good cricket.

 

[RamLakhan]

It wasn't a fluke but it was an upset! We never expected Pakistan to beat India in such a convincing way... They planned out everything perfectly, especially the way they batted and Amir's spell... That was also the match which started to tell the weakness in our middle order batting and our bowling department (our bowlers did actually improve after that we got rid of Ashwin/Jadeja... But batting still remains an issue)

 

[Hitman]

It wasn't a fluke but it was an upset! We never expected Pakistan to beat India in such a convincing way... They planned out everything perfectly, especially the way they batted and Amir's spell... That was also the match which started to tell the weakness in our middle order batting and our bowling department (our bowlers did actually improve after that we got rid of Ashwin/Jadeja... But batting still remains an issue)

Pakistan weren't expected to win it specially after the drubbing they got in their first match. But after that they completely annihilated each and every bloody team that came their way. In the finals they completely demolished us.

One thing I'll say is that after reaching the finals, it wasn't even an upset. It was obvious that Pakistan were in red hot form by then and winning the final wouldn't be a really uphill task for them.

 

[another drop catch]

I admit It was not at all fluke
but how could you blame indians calling it as a fluke may be two or three members might have called it a fluke but you seems bitter about all Indians
Why are you dragging RAW or ISI in a cricket post ? ? ?
This is just disappointing

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

One can debate that winning a game or even a tight series is a fluke but a tournament victory is earned on base of consistent performance. That's where Pakistani bowlers showed up and, as they say, rest is history.

Only the PP-troll is calling this victory fluke

 

[IMMY69]

Yes of course it was a fluke.
1992 World Cup was a fluke. If it wasn’t for the rained off game against Ebgland we would have been out of the tourney.

2009 t20 World Cup was a fluke too.

Beating Saffie in our last ODI series there was also a fluke.

Fluke fluke fluke.

 

[RamLakhan]

Pakistan weren't expected to win it specially after the drubbing they got in their first match. But after that they completely annihilated each and every bloody team that came their way. In the finals they completely demolished us.

One thing I'll say is that after reaching the finals, it wasn't even an upset. It was obvious that Pakistan were in red hot form by then and winning the final wouldn't be a really uphill task for them.

I expected it to be a close game at least. Not such big margin, that was the "upset" part of it! Only 2000s Australian team were capable of giving that kind of a drubbing by exploiting the weaknesses in this Indian team... Least expected of Pakistan, even we were red hot after beating them in the league stage... So it was expected to be a close game like 2007 t20 finals going Pakistan's way... Just that they were too good on that day and everything fell in their place... That's probably what tempted few people to call it "fluke". But I guess there is a huge difference between in calling a "fluke" and "upset". Upset is something which a team earns with skills and hardwork...

 

[Hermoine Green]

Beating SA,Eng, then India. Fluke can be for one time, but not thrice in a row.

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

Had Thisara Perera not dropped that dolly at mid-on the final result of the CT tournament would have been quite different.

With the exception of the 1st game, Pakistan rode their luck through out the tournament.

Thisara drop catch
Fakhar out on a no ball
Getting a pitch that favoured them against England
Rained against SA otherwise a late batting collapse was a distinct possibility.

 

[jusarrived]

you dont win a tournament with fluke , Pak needed few things going their way like every other champions from past even WC's included .

 

[90MPH]

You don't win tournaments by fluke.

In any case Pakistan dominated the semis and the final against two teams they were favourites to lose.

It was a memorable tournament win - doesn't mean it has to brought up all the time but neither should the insignificance of the win.

There are a few bitter people who are waiting for the day Pakistan loses a couple of ODIs and then get the opportunity to label the win a "fluke". I pity such people.

 

[troodon]

Pak has the best bowling attack in the world on flat tracks. Nobody can touch them.

All Pak needs is 250 runs on the board and they can beat anybody with ease. With the inclusion of Babar Azam, Pak has finally found a batsman that can take them to that 250 score.

Right now, all of the Pak bowlers are looking world class. Even without Amir, Pak bowling is world class.

Only England and Australia can beat Pakistan and that too in their own den. Nobody can beat Pak in UAE.

India will lose the 5 match ODI series 3-2 or 4-1 if played right now. Our ODI team has way too many passengers. Pak bowlers will expose our batting lineup brutally.

 

[clean n cool]

Wouldnt call it a fluke but the fact that pakistan had many new faces that other teams hadn't faced has always gone in our favor be it the T20 09 or W92... Fakhar esp in this case
but credit to these young Pakistani players too as they were playing their 1st ICC tournament and outplayed big names in the opposition.
Take Srilanka for eg they also had a young side like ours which others hadnt played much against but we were able to make best use of what we had-and thats all what the competition was about.

 

[Syed1]

Had Thisara Perera not dropped that dolly at mid-on the final result of the CT tournament would have been quite different.

With the exception of the 1st game, Pakistan rode their luck through out the tournament.

Thisara drop catch
Fakhar out on a no ball
Getting a pitch that favoured them against England
Rained against SA otherwise a late batting collapse was a distinct possibility.

It wasn't a foregone conclusion that Pakistan would have lost. Amir was batting like a dream and there was still Hasan left who is quite a competent batsman in his own right. The run rate wasn't an issue and about 20-30 runs were left. Pretty sure we still would have won. People like to put down Pakistan's performance because of that one dropped catch.


When we dropped Sachin 4 times on the way to his 80 odd did people say India's tournament victory is fluke because if Sachin had been dismissed India would have scored sub-par and Pakistan would have chased.... Why different set of rules for different teams?

 

[Syed1]

Funny how people are mentioning Fakhar's "dismissal" as our luck.... it says in the rule books the bowler has to bowl from behind the line, if he doesn't do it then it is an illegal delivery and doesn't matter what happens after. How is it Fakhar's "luck" when the bowler made a mistake. What if Bumrah had bowled from behind the line and the bowl had been just a touch shorter, it would have met the middle of the bat and not the edge.


Also Fakhar's "dismissal" was when he was in single digits, what was preventing India from dismissing him before he got to 114? More luck for Fakhar.



People just like to run their mouths even though they have limited knowledge. This is the effect of the internet, every Tom, Dick or Harry has an opinion and an avenue to express it no matter how stupid that opinion might be.

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

It wasn't a foregone conclusion that Pakistan would have lost. Amir was batting like a dream and there was still Hasan left who is quite a competent batsman in his own right. The run rate wasn't an issue and about 20-30 runs were left. Pretty sure we still would have won. People like to put down Pakistan's performance because of that one dropped catch.


When we dropped Sachin 4 times on the way to his 80 odd did people say India's tournament victory is fluke because if Sachin had been dismissed India would have scored sub-par and Pakistan would have chased.... Why different set of rules for different teams?

What is the point of cherry picking from the reasons I gave as to why Pakistan rode their luck in the tournament? A no ball in the final was one of the reasons why we were able to put up a big score. After that the ball stopped swinging and it became much easier to score for Mr. Fakhar Zaman. Had Thisara caught that dolly it would have been very hard for our tail to chase down that total as the lankans were on top. That dropped catch really deflated them.

The point I am trying to make is that Pakistan were on the right side of every crucial moment in the tournament except for that 1st game against India. The reasons given in my post have to be taken holistically which I note you have trouble doing.

 

[Syed1]

What is the point of cherry picking from the reasons I gave as to why Pakistan rode their luck in the tournament? A no ball in the final was one of the reasons why we were able to put up a big score. After that the ball stopped swinging and it became much easier to score for Mr. Fakhar "I hit 4s with my helmet" Zaman. Had Thisara caught that dolly it would have been very hard for our tail to chase down that total as the lankans were on top. That dropped catch really deflated them.

The point I am trying to make is that Pakistan were on the right side of every crucial moment in the tournament except for that 1st game against India. The reasons given in my post have to be taken holistically which I note you have trouble doing.

Try reading my second post right underneath the first one. Maybe you will be able to wrap your head around it.


And the ball stopped swinging the very next ball after Fakhar's dismissal ) ) )


Fairy tale stories )

 

[Hitman]

Funny how people are mentioning Fakhar's "dismissal" as our luck.... it says in the rule books the bowler has to bowl from behind the line, if he doesn't do it then it is an illegal delivery and doesn't matter what happens after. How is it Fakhar's "luck" when the bowler made a mistake. What if Bumrah had bowled from behind the line and the bowl had been just a touch shorter, it would have met the middle of the bat and not the edge.


Also Fakhar's "dismissal" was when he was in single digits, what was preventing India from dismissing him before he got to 114? More luck for Fakhar.



People just like to run their mouths even though they have limited knowledge. This is the effect of the internet, every Tom, Dick or Harry has an opinion and an avenue to express it no matter how stupid that opinion might be.

Really? Then why were Pak fans prancing around claiming Aamir got Kohli's wicket twice in consecutive balls? The rule says that a batsman is not out if the fielder fails to catch the ball cleanly.

 

[InziRules]

Rerally? Then were were Pak fans prancing around claiming Aamir got Kohli's number twice in consecutive balls? The rule says that a batsman is not out if the fielder fails to catch the ball cleanly.

He got the better of Kohli twice in two balls. He only got him out once

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

Try reading my second post right underneath the first one. Maybe you will be able to wrap your head around it.


And the ball stopped swinging the very next ball after Fakhar's dismissal ) ) )


Fairy tale stories )

I did and chose to ignore it and rightly so it seems .....

 

[Hitman]

He got the better of Kohli twice in two balls. He only got him out once

You never get the better of a batsman until you dismiss him. Pak fans were claiming Aamir got Kohli twice in consecutive deliveries.

 

[waleed88]

West Indies also won it in 2004, beating the home side England. This tournament has been a favorite of the underdogs in certain years, not mentioning the years above because of it was Aussie who won it in 2006 and 2009 if I'm not wrong.

Pakistan has been in the semis twice as far as I can recall, this tournament has been one where Pakistan has generally done well.

 

[Syed1]

So let me get this straight as per certain quarters Pakistan's CT win is fluke because:


1. Sri Lanka dropped a dolly catch and Pakistan would have absolutely lost even though we had three wickets left before that drop and Amir was batting like a proper batsman and Hasan Ali who is quite a competent batsman in his own right was yet to come.

2. Pakistan got lucky in the South Africa match because had rain not arrived we would have never chased down the minuscule target even though we were much ahead of the D/L at that stage.

3. Pakistan got lucky in the England match because somehow the Pakistani team bribed the groundsman to transport a Dubai pitch to England overnight and the the ball was turning ninety degrees which prevented the English from destroying minnows Pakistan

4. Pakistan got lucky in the final because somebody did black magic on Bumrah's foot and it landed infront of the crease instead of behind it. Forget the fact that the same Bumrah was smashed around by the same batsman after that point. Apparently the ball stopped swinging immediately after that noball incident and batting became child's play.



#PP experts

 

[waleed88]

Read alot of articles in India media post match, they were rueing Fakhar getting out on a no-ball. Well Indians are making excuses now? They were beaten fair and square and still they had to moan about something.

It had nothing to do with the fact that the captain had zero body language and had no idea how to getting about completing his overs without stopping the run flow, so much so that he ended up giving the captaincy to Dhoni and went AWOL. Azhar Ali was hitting them out of the park of all people.
For a guy who thinks a final is 'just another game' Kohli certainly was absent as a captain and jittery in his decision making.

 

[troodon]

Read alot of articles in India media post match, they were rueing Fakhar getting out on a no-ball. Well Indians are making excuses now? They were beaten fair and square and still they had to moan about something.

It had nothing to do with the fact that the captain had zero body language and had no idea how to getting about completing his overs without stopping the run flow, so much so that he ended up giving the captaincy to Dhoni and went AWOL. Azhar Ali was hitting them out of the park of all people.
For a guy who thinks a final is 'just another game' Kohli certainly was absent as a captain and jittery in his decision making.

Kohli is not a good captain. He gets too nervous when things are not going his way. Hence BCCI is still keeping MSD to help out Kohli.

Rohit is a much better captain than Kohli.

 

[InziRules]

West Indies also won it in 2004, beating the home side England. This tournament has been a favorite of the underdogs in certain years, not mentioning the years above because of it was Aussie who won it in 2006 and 2009 if I'm not wrong.

Pakistan has been in the semis twice as far as I can recall, this tournament has been one where Pakistan has generally done well.

The underdogs haven't won it since 2004. India and Australia were both favourites in the editions they won.

 

[waleed88]

The underdogs haven't won it since 2004. India and Australia were both favourites in the editions they won.

I think you are wrong on that, in 2013 England were the hot favorites to win, and India pulled a miraculous choke on the English who looked set to chase it down 3 overs before the end.

Indian side was a young team with young guns similar to what Pakistan team is today

 

[InziRules]

I think you are wrong on that, in 2013 England were the hot favorites to win, and India pulled a miraculous choke on the English who looked set to chase it down 3 overs before the end.

Indian side was a young team with young guns similar to what Pakistan team is today

India were world champions

http://www.cricketcountry.com/artic...ances-make-them-overwhelming-favourites-28021

And favourites

 

[waleed88]

India were world champions

http://www.cricketcountry.com/artic...ances-make-them-overwhelming-favourites-28021

And favourites

Yes they were World Champions but everyone knew they didnt have the same big names that they had before,
Yuvraj, Harbhajan, Sehwag, Tendulkar all of them weren't playing.

 

[Varun]

It wasn't a fluke, and nor was West Indies in 2004.

Tournament wins aren't built on a supposed streak of fluke games.

 

[The intelligent Supporter]

Funny how people are mentioning Fakhar's "dismissal" as our luck.... it says in the rule books the bowler has to bowl from behind the line, if he doesn't do it then it is an illegal delivery and doesn't matter what happens after. How is it Fakhar's "luck" when the bowler made a mistake. What if Bumrah had bowled from behind the line and the bowl had been just a touch shorter, it would have met the middle of the bat and not the edge.


Also Fakhar's "dismissal" was when he was in single digits, what was preventing India from dismissing him before he got to 114? More luck for Fakhar.



People just like to run their mouths even though they have limited knowledge. This is the effect of the internet, every Tom, Dick or Harry has an opinion and an avenue to express it no matter how stupid that opinion might be.

Come on now , that is a stretch!

 

[IndYeah1]

Take nothing away from Pakistan, they won the CT.


But if Pak fans want to over-hype the win, and the state of their team, it would be quite baseless. People here are forgetting that if the Sri Lankans don't give Sarfraz multiple lives, they wouldn't even be in the final. Pakistan are doing better today in ODI cricket than they were a couple of years ago, but are still quite a weak side.

Top ODI teams at the moment are SA and England, followed by India and Australia in the next tier, and then the rest.

 

[Pete Rose]

can someone name me the number of posters who have called this victory a fluke.
an intelligent reading of it would suggest, that Pakistan's tournament performance was unexpected.

 

[SM1989]

The reason some call it a fluke is due to the following:

1) Victory over South Africa was primarily due to rain. The batsmen were looking very uncomfortable against Morkel and you could sense a collapse was lurking around the corner.

2) Sarfraz being dropped by Sri Lanka was the reason Pakistan won that game.

3) England had an off day on a used pitch.

4) Fakhar was caught off a no-ball and went on to score a 100.

Too many external factors went in Pakistan's favour. Call it divine intervention if you will.

 

[Syed1]

Come on now , that is a stretch!

Keeping all things the same, a ball that is just an inch shorter will not get the edge of the bat.

 

[Syed1]

can someone name me the number of posters who have called this victory a fluke.
an intelligent reading of it would suggest, that Pakistan's tournament performance was unexpected.

Mamoon is the leader of the pack

 

[babajee]

Take nothing away from Pakistan, they won the CT.


But if Pak fans want to over-hype the win, and the state of their team, it would be quite baseless. People here are forgetting that if the Sri Lankans don't give Sarfraz multiple lives, they wouldn't even be in the final. Pakistan are doing better today in ODI cricket than they were a couple of years ago, but are still quite a weak side.

Top ODI teams at the moment are SA and England, followed by India and Australia in the next tier, and then the rest.

So you are saying Pakistan is the leader of the minnows

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

What decision? If it was a fluke after all? They can be outplayed by Kiwis soon, but that has nothing to do with CT win. Pakistan played well and they got better and better as the tourny progressed. Everything clicked and they played to potential, that might not happen again, but looking at their emphatic win over SL you can clearly see that they are playing very good cricket.

I was saying the same but beating (currently minnow) SL at home couldn't be the judgmental parameter of Pakistan being very good.

 

[Monsee]

Yes of course it was a fluke.
1992 World Cup was a fluke. If it wasn’t for the rained off game against Ebgland we would have been out of the tourney.

2009 t20 World Cup was a fluke too.

Beating Saffie in our last ODI series there was also a fluke.

Fluke fluke fluke.

Yeah, why not, I mean after all these same very Indian posters who are playing nicey nicey here have reminded us many times in lots of threads about that England game we ended up getting a tie or that SA defeat (against England) due to rain or that Imran caught behind not given or those close calls agains Miandad etc.

I see nothing but achaay bachaay Indians in this thread, I wonder where are all the Indian wolves gone?

 

[Mueez]

Pakistan Team at CT 2017: Veni,vidi,vici!
(I came, saw, won over in Latin)

 

[Mamoon]

More than anything, I think people have taken offense to the word fluke. Well it is just a convenient word used to describe our title winning CT, but it can be explained in other ways and other words.

To put it simply, in the CT, what could have gone right for Pakistan went right, and what could have gone wrong for the opposition went wrong. We had our fair share of luck throughout the tournament and there were plenty of moments that could have easily swung the other way.

We would probably have chased the South African total down, but it was heading towards a jittery finish. We were finding it hard to score fluently and we have seen our batting lineup bolt many chases from a similar situation. However, I will cut the team some slack because Morkel was the only bowler who threatened us till that point, and heh had only three overs left.

The Sri Lankan chase was a total shambles, and was a proper get out of jail moment for us. We were poor, but Sri Lanka were simply atrocious. Those dropped catches definitely did huge favors for us and those were suggesting that the likes of Hasan etc. would have seen us home are forgetting that almost all our batsmen crumbled under pressure.

Amir was unusually calm under pressure especially for a tail-ender, but it doesn't mean that the others would have been composed as well, especially someone like Hasan who likes to go for slogs regardless of the situation.

In the semifinal, the slow Cardiff pitch played right into our hands. England had been the best team throughout the tournament and their batsmen could not adjust to the sluggish Cardiff pitch. At The Oval or Edgbaston, they would probably have beaten us.

In the final, again, what could go right for us went right. Every inside edge seemed to miss the stumps and our running was shambolic in the first 10 overs but somehow they didn't run themselves out. The no-ball was of course a pivotal moment and it could have changed the complexion of the game.

Fakhar's counter-attacking batting - especially after Azhar's dismissal - put the Indian bowlers off their lengths and Kohli deployed a defensive field which meant we scored very freely until the last 5 overs when Bumrah and Bhuvneshwar bowled well at the death as they always do. In addition, the likes of Babar and Hafeez, who had been in poor form till that point, were able to ride on the momentum. A lot of batsmen tend to find form in a situation like that.

I won't look too much into the bowling performance because any half-decent bowling attack would more often than not defend a mammoth total in the final regardless of the quality of the opposition. The match was in our bag the moment we crossed 330.

People can call me a troll, an attention-seeker or a closet Indian. They can make fun of me, mock me and make personal attacks, but I don't mind. I am not here to make friends or enemies; I am just here to say what I have to say. This is my view.

As for as the question of why I support and follow Pakistan cricket. Well, I follow cricket because of my love and passion for the sport, especially its intricate details, its history and the romance that a lot of people tend to overlook, and I support Pakistan cricket because Pakistan is my country.

Nonetheless, it is good to be supportive but you also have to be realistic. I just don't think Pakistan is a very good team at the moment in any format.

 

[CricFan2012]

More than anything, I think people have taken offense to the word fluke. Well it is just a convenient word used to describe our title winning CT, but it can be explained in other ways and other words.

To put it simply, in the CT, what could have gone right for Pakistan went right, and what could have gone wrong for the opposition went wrong. We had our fair share of luck throughout the tournament and there were plenty of moments that could have easily swung the other way.

We would probably have chased the South African total down, but it was heading towards a jittery finish. We were finding it hard to score fluently and we have seen our batting lineup bolt many chases from a similar situation. However, I will cut the team some slack because Morkel was the only bowler who threatened us till that point, and heh had only three overs left.

The Sri Lankan chase was a total shambles, and was a proper get out of jail moment for us. We were poor, but Sri Lanka were simply atrocious. Those dropped catches definitely did huge favors for us and those were suggesting that the likes of Hasan etc. would have seen us home are forgetting that almost all our batsmen crumbled under pressure.

Amir was unusually calm under pressure especially for a tail-ender, but it doesn't mean that the others would have been composed as well, especially someone like Hasan who likes to go for slogs regardless of the situation.

In the semifinal, the slow Cardiff pitch played right into our hands. England had been the best team throughout the tournament and their batsmen could not adjust to the sluggish Cardiff pitch. At The Oval or Edgbaston, they would probably have beaten us.

In the final, again, what could go right for us went right. Every inside edge seemed to miss the stumps and our running was shambolic in the first 10 overs but somehow they didn't run themselves out. The no-ball was of course a pivotal moment and it could have changed the complexion of the game.

Fakhar's counter-attacking batting - especially after Azhar's dismissal - put the Indian bowlers off their lengths and Kohli deployed a defensive field which meant we scored very freely until the last 5 overs when Bumrah and Bhuvneshwar bowled well at the death as they always do. In addition, the likes of Babar and Hafeez, who had been in poor form till that point, were able to ride on the momentum. A lot of batsmen tend to find form in a situation like that.

I won't look too much into the bowling performance because any half-decent bowling attack would more often than not defend a mammoth total in the final regardless of the quality of the opposition. The match was in our bag the moment we crossed 330.

People can call me a troll, an attention-seeker or a closet Indian. They can make fun of me, mock me and make personal attacks, but I don't mind. I am not here to make friends or enemies; I am just here to say what I have to say. This is my view.

As for as the question of why I support and follow Pakistan cricket. Well, I follow cricket because of my love and passion for the sport, especially its intricate details, its history and the romance that a lot of people tend to overlook, and I support Pakistan cricket because Pakistan is my country.

Nonetheless, it is good to be supportive but you also have to be realistic. I just don't think Pakistan is a very good team at the moment in any format.

Top post.

The hate you get is understandable as most Pakistanis are emotional and very patriotic.

Just look at the way some continue to defend cheaters like Ajmal, some actually aplaud them and rank them next to greats like Warne.

Being realstic is the only way to go about it.

Whether the champions trophy was a fluke or not, that June was the best june of my life, seeing Pakistan finally beat India on the big stage and win silverware after years is a great feeling.

But who are we kidding, at the end of the day Thisara Perera with his dropped catch awarded us the trophy Bless you Perera!