The Champions Trophy victory was NOT a fluke

[Haz95]

It was not fluke but the fact that Pakistan won only one match with their batting was definitely fluke that too from Fakher Zaman who has never looked in the same touch since that hundred. Pakistani fans do not understand. Our bowling was dead perfect. It happens rarely these days. You win matches by blowing oppositions away for low 200 odd runs.

I'm astonished, this is actually a brilliant post.

 

[yasir]

If we compare ourselves to our dark era of 2011-2016, then definitely this ODI unit is a superior one. I think we are heading back to 1990s and 2000s when we were better in ODIs compared to Tests. During Misbah's reign, we were better in Tests but that wasn't the norm for Pakistan cricket.

However, compared to the top teams is in the world, we are lagging behind considerably when it comes to batting. Not a single batsman of ours gets into any of the top sides minus Babar perhaps, but he will be booted out after 3 games if he continues to score his first 50 runs at a SR of 65 game in game out.

For Pakistan, his accumulation is worth its weight in gold, but for other teams it will prove to be a hindrance especially when they have better batsmen in their teams who can hold the batting together and at a better SR.

I don't think we were better in test in Misbah's Era, we were just better in playing in Asia, because there we played most of cricket and that too without playing single test series for 10-12 years against biggest opponent(in Asia) aka India. We simply don't know if we were that good in Asia... In 90s(to some extend 80s as well) we were better team in every format and respectable everywhere except bounce(AUS/SA), even there we used to win a test. We were no 2/3 in every format, against some GOAT sides...

Part of the problem is Pakistan has stopped playing top tier talent in test cricket. Misbah/Hafeez/Azhar/Shafiq all are not top tier batting talent Pakistan had(YK was great test player though), they were oldest and most mature ones, same goes for million of trundlers we had as phast bowler in that era...Test team is more of mature cricket now rather than flair and youth, this was not the case in 80s/90s. It has to with many things; UAE ENV,Mgmt vision (KTLOs-Keep The Lights On), Misbah's style/personality, etc...

Medico-racy of fast bowlers is still continue, our model is safe the top tier for ODIs and T20s...130 clicks is standard in test, as long as you have line length, we used to not field fast bowler if he was less than 140 clicks. Even Amir has slowed him down to 130 for test, there is no incentive/drive to do so...On batting side, we had one dimensional line up, team filled with blockers, even their own family don't watch their game...Whole culture is regressive and down right boring, its not cool to be part of test team, its dull and mature cricket...This is death of the test cricket brand, no wonder kids are loosing interest in it sharply...

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

I have criticized Pak batting in the past and still do (as i believe there are better options available and batting line up is one paced) but to say that Pak batting was poor and we didnt deserve to win CT is just not true.

Cricket is not only batting rather than batting + bowling and our batsmen did what they were supposed to do according to match situations. Sarfraz was our no 6 and he had to bat only 2 times in the CT and even in 1 he was not out. Our batting on paper was poor but cricket is not played on paper.

 

[Mamoon]

I don't think we were better in test in Misbah's Era, we were just better in playing in Asia, because there we played most of cricket and that too without playing single test series for 10-12 years against biggest opponent(in Asia) aka India. We simply don't know if we were that good in Asia... In 90s(to some extend 80s as well) we were better team in every format and respectable everywhere except bounce(AUS/SA), even there we used to win a test. We were no 2/3 in every format, against some GOAT sides...

Part of the problem is Pakistan has stopped playing top tier talent in test cricket. Misbah/Hafeez/Azhar/Shafiq all are not top tier batting talent Pakistan had(YK was great test player though), they were oldest and most mature ones, same goes for million of trundlers we had as phast bowler in that era...Test team is more of mature cricket now rather than flair and youth, this was not the case in 80s/90s. It has to with many things; UAE ENV,Mgmt vision (KTLOs-Keep The Lights On), Misbah's style/personality, etc...

Medico-racy of fast bowlers is still continue, our model is safe the top tier for ODIs and T20s...130 clicks is standard in test, as long as you have line length, we used to not field fast bowler if he was less than 140 clicks. Even Amir has slowed him down to 130 for test, there is no incentive/drive to do so...On batting side, we had one dimensional line up, team filled with blockers, even their own family don't watch their game...Whole culture is regressive and down right boring, its not cool to be part of test team, its dull and mature cricket...This is death of the test cricket brand, no wonder kids are loosing interest in it sharply...

We were a mediocre Test team during Misbah's reign too. However, the point that I am trying to make is that we were worse in Limited Overs. Misbah made us minnows in Limited Overs, but in Tests we were still competitive at least in the UAE, which wasn't the case in ODIs and T20s barring a few random wins here and there.

 

[SM1989]

Bump. A much needed reality check in New Zealand should hopefully open the eyes of those delusional posters who were overrating this team.

 

[in_cutter]

No it was not a fluke fgs. They simply raised their game when it mattered. Beating SA, SL Eng & Ind was no fluke.

 

[giri26]

To be really frank it was not a fluke. Pakistan just played well and won the tournament. The only thing the win did was paper over the cracks the team had. Hafeez, Malik and Azhar got a new lease of life in the X1. A loss could have gotten rid of them and Pakistan could have started from scratch. Not sure if it will be too late to start fresh for Pakistan. I am thinking Azhar, Malik and Hafeez will play on till 2019 WC irrespective of the result of this series.

 

[junaidji]

The Champions Trophy was not a fluke, we played very good cricket to win that tournament and one's gotta be a fool. You don't beat top teams in South Africa, England, and India to claim a trophy. Perhaps you can pass the Sri Lanka match off as "pure luck," well okay, but then by that equation, England should have thrashed us in the semis. They didn't. The opposite happened. And also in the finals. The ODI Squad by no means is "perfect" even after the CT, but I think it's a huge improvement from previous days when Mr. Ahmed Shehzad, Wahab Riaz, and Umar Akmal used to be in the team. Getting rid of the TTF's at the present moment in Azhar Ali, Shoaib Malik, and Mohammad Hafeez would certainly make our ODI squad even better and a serious contender for the World Cup trophy.

 

[MeanAndGreen]

It wasn't a fluke, you dont fluke tournament wins.

t was built on the back of stunning individual performances from youngsters -- the same youngsters who have been performing for Pakistan ever since and have proved they are world class.

What Pakistan should've done post-CT is remove the garbage seniors which were the reason we fell to No. 9 in the the first place but Mickey and Inzi proved to be gutless and were unable to make the tough calls. Until these players are dropped Pakistan won't become a consistent force.

 

[MMHS]

It wasn't a fluke, but this decline is expected - 12 of that squad are in NZ now - Fakhar isn't playing today (but he performed in last match), Babar had a bad day; otherwise Hasan, Shadab, already has performed with bat - I expect all 4 bowlers & Fahim to perform as well.

One should notice that, CT team had few aged cricketer in their last leg - with every day they'll decline further. PAK should have replaced these players after 19th June and phase out with younger players.

Most alarming is, WC is in 18 months time (13 months for finalizing team) - Azhar, MoHa, Malik, Sarfraz are going to get slaughtered in SAF & ENG just before the WC, and they are holding 4 key spots; but PAK is digging the hole such that these 4 might had to be dragged to WC.

 

[Syed1]

After winning the 2011 WC India toured lowly WI and only managed to win 3-2. They then toured England and lost 3-0.

If Pakistan's CT win is fluke then India's WC win is fluke too.

You can't eat your cake and have it too.

 

[Sachin136]

No such thing as a fluke. But this just shows that you can't go from being a mediocre team to the best one in the world over a couple of months (as some people on here were suggesting).

 

[Savak]

It wasn't a fluke, but this decline is expected - 12 of that squad are in NZ now - Fakhar isn't playing today (but he performed in last match), Babar had a bad day; otherwise Hasan, Shadab, already has performed with bat - I expect all 4 bowlers & Fahim to perform as well.

One should notice that, CT team had few aged cricketer in their last leg - with every day they'll decline further. PAK should have replaced these players after 19th June and phase out with younger players.

Most alarming is, WC is in 18 months time (13 months for finalizing team) - Azhar, MoHa, Malik, Sarfraz are going to get slaughtered in SAF & ENG just before the WC, and they are holding 4 key spots; but PAK is digging the hole such that these 4 might had to be dragged to WC.

The CT squad got beaten in very humiliating circumstances by the Indians in the first CT game, it could not have gone much worse than that. The pressure of not playing Indian in the next game and playing a regular team (although South Africa were no mugs) helped for once, after that the team just picked up momentum and rhythm and the confidence of beating tough teams consecutively rubbed off.

Similarly on this tour of NZ, we have started badly and fingers crossed it can't get much worse than this.

 

[MMHS]

The CT squad got beaten in very humiliating circumstances by the Indians in the first CT game, it could not have gone much worse than that. The pressure of not playing Indian in the next game and playing a regular team (although South Africa were no mugs) helped for once, after that the team just picked up momentum and rhythm and the confidence of beating tough teams consecutively rubbed off.

Similarly on this tour of NZ, we have started badly and fingers crossed it can't get much worse than this.

There were few changes in personals as well

 

[Sean143]

After winning the 2011 WC India toured lowly WI and only managed to win 3-2. They then toured England and lost 3-0.

If Pakistan's CT win is fluke then India's WC win is fluke too.

You can't eat your cake and have it too.

Infact in this case India's WC win was a bigger fluke

 

[indipper]

Team proving each day that is was a fluke. Pathetic display of cricket when they were supposed to choke them out.

 

[indipper]

Infact in this case India's WC win was a bigger fluke

It was powered by BCCI dominance. Almost creating a story line to make Indian team look like champions. Banning players and shuffling venues.

 

[Itachi]

This thread shows everything wrong with Pakistani mindset.

Trying to justify (read: denial and ultra defensive) with the help of taking self consolation from the past.

It's no different than a failed actor gloating over one or two awards that he won in the past.

 

[Mamoon]

We were told that only Australia in Australia can compete with this team. As I said earlier, Pakistani fans deserve this humiliation and wakeup call. However, they will never learn and will continue to their delusional ways.

 

[Mamoon]

After winning the 2011 WC India toured lowly WI and only managed to win 3-2. They then toured England and lost 3-0.

If Pakistan's CT win is fluke then India's WC win is fluke too.

You can't eat your cake and have it too.

Infact in this case India's WC win was a bigger fluke

After winning the World Cup, India took a weakened side to the Caribbean. The team that lost the two ODIs did not have Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Dhoni, Yuvraj and Zaheer. Key players who played a huge role in their World Cup triumph.

In England they were outclassed, but that was always going to happen because that Indian team was the best ODI side in subcontinent conditions only, which is why they were overwhelming favorites to win the 2011 World Cup and they did justice to the expectations.

Similarly, the 2015 Australian ODI team was not an all-condition team and would not have won the World Cup in the subcontinent, but they were clearly the favorites for a World Cup hosted in Australia.

India of 2011 and Australia of 2015 would have won the World cup 8/10 times in the same conditions. However, Pakistan's Champions Trophy triumph was one of the greatest flukes in the history. A massive aberration and deviation from the norm. It is right up there with India's 1983 World Cup win and West Indies' Champions Trophy win in 2004.

The same Pakistani side will not win the Champions Trophy in similar conditions 99/100 times. Everything clicked for us in those 4 games where we managed to beat superior teams in three consecutive due to multiple reasons.

 

[MRSN]

After winning the World Cup, India took a weakened side to the Caribbean. The team that lost the two ODIs did not have Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Dhoni, Yuvraj and Zaheer. Key players who played a huge role in their World Cup triumph.

In England they were outclassed, but that was always going to happen because that Indian team was the best ODI side in subcontinent conditions only, which is why they were overwhelming favorites to win the 2011 World Cup and they did justice to the expectations.

Similarly, the 2015 Australian ODI team was not an all-condition team and would not have won the World Cup in the subcontinent, but they were clearly the favorites for a World Cup hosted in Australia.

India of 2011 and Australia of 2015 would have won the World cup 8/10 times in the same conditions. However, Pakistan's Champions Trophy triumph was one of the greatest flukes in the history. A massive aberration and deviation from the norm. It is right up there with India's 1983 World Cup win and West Indies' Champions Trophy win in 2004.

The same Pakistani side will not win the Champions Trophy in similar conditions 99/100 times. Everything clicked for us in those 4 games where we managed to beat superior teams in three consecutive due to multiple reasons.

Exactly. Agreed with your post mate. People love to live in la-la land. We need to accept shortcomings of this side. Yes we won but that doesn't mean we ignore our weaknesses which we have by gifting Hafeez,Malik,Azhar anther two years of ODI cricket. This trophy has done more harm to Pak cricket than any good. Just when mediocrity was about to be removed we won the trophy to revive their careers.

 

[HuzaifaE]

It wasn't a fluke, it was a team performing when it mattered over a consistent stretch of games against top quality opposition in crunch situations. Seriously, it's such a pointless argument to go retrospectively searching for ways to defame an achievement based on current or future results. The CT is independent of this series, you didn't see India win the 2011 WC to be questioned like "oh but this only going to count and not be a fluke if you beat Australia in the next tour". We aren't the best ODI team, but we were the best team in the Champions Trophy, doesn't make the win a fluke, or the current results meaningless, end of.

 

[Itachi]

Exactly. Agreed with your post mate. People love to live in la-la land. We need to accept shortcomings of this side. Yes we won but that doesn't mean we ignore our weaknesses which we have by gifting Hafeez,Malik,Azhar anther two years of ODI cricket. This trophy has done more harm to Pak cricket than any good. Just when mediocrity was about to be removed we won the trophy to revive their careers.

The last statement is crucial. Sometimes success hides the weakness.

If you could spot it amidst the glory, then you are a true warrior. But, success blinds you from the vulnerabilities, then circumstances such as this will always be frequent occurrence.

I don't think CT harmed Pakistan. It was a moment of joy.

But the actions which should have had been taken after that, went missing. It's the aftermath which did harm.

 

[Abdullah]

We are still at an early stage with the evolution of this team. There are 18 months to the world cup which is when it all needs to come together. We were spoilt by the CT win but I do believe this side is coming along.
Fakhar babar fahim Shadab hasan amir need to become the leaders of the team.
Most of these look to have the clutch gene too. Rumman has the clutch gene too, just give him time
2nd opener and hafeez malik and captain saab are the concerns at the moment. The senior lot!
Azhar is in the last chance saloon

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

The last statement is crucial. Sometimes success hides the weakness.

If you could spot it amidst the glory, then you are a true warrior. But, success blinds you from the vulnerabilities, then circumstances such as this will always be frequent occurrence.

I don't think CT harmed Pakistan. It was a moment of joy.

But the actions which should have had been taken after that, went missing. It's the aftermath which did harm.

Brother it takes time.

It took India several months and humiliation in Australia and England and by Pakistan in 2012 to remove Sehwag,Gambhir,Yuvraj etc.and win the CT in 2013 with a rejuvenated side.

Change requires time and patience.

Most teams apart from SA have done nothing good INBNZ post 2014

 

[Titan24]

After winning the World Cup, India took a weakened side to the Caribbean. The team that lost the two ODIs did not have Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Dhoni, Yuvraj and Zaheer. Key players who played a huge role in their World Cup triumph.

In England they were outclassed, but that was always going to happen because that Indian team was the best ODI side in subcontinent conditions only, which is why they were overwhelming favorites to win the 2011 World Cup and they did justice to the expectations.

Similarly, the 2015 Australian ODI team was not an all-condition team and would not have won the World Cup in the subcontinent, but they were clearly the favorites for a World Cup hosted in Australia.

India of 2011 and Australia of 2015 would have won the World cup 8/10 times in the same conditions. However, Pakistan's Champions Trophy triumph was one of the greatest flukes in the history. A massive aberration and deviation from the norm. It is right up there with India's 1983 World Cup win and West Indies' Champions Trophy win in 2004.

The same Pakistani side will not win the Champions Trophy in similar conditions 99/100 times. Everything clicked for us in those 4 games where we managed to beat superior teams in three consecutive due to multiple reasons.

What would you say about India winning CT 2013 and then losing to NZ 4-0. According to the theories being presented in this thread, India's CT 2013 win must be a Fluke then?

I have never heard in any sports people saying that a team won a tournament with a fluke. There is no such thing as fluke in a tournament as you have to beat best teams to win tournament.

A team winning one match unexpectedly can be considered a fluke but winning whole tournament being called a fluke is hilarious to say the least.

If India would have won the first test match against SA that could have been called a fluke because it was just one match and India isnt expected to beat SA.

 

[Mamoon]

What would you say about India winning CT 2013 and then losing to NZ 4-0. According to the theories being presented in this thread, India's CT 2013 win must be a Fluke then?

I have never heard in any sports people saying that a team won a tournament with a fluke. There is no such thing as fluke in a tournament as you have to beat best teams to win tournament.

A team winning one match unexpectedly can be considered a fluke but winning whole tournament being called a fluke is hilarious to say the least.

If India would have won the first test match against SA that could have been called a fluke because it was just one match and India isnt expected to beat SA.

It wasn't a fluke per se because India were a very good ODI team - one of the best around. However, they certainly got lucky in the final. The rain turned the game into a T20 affair and India got the upper hand. In a 50 over game, in those conditions, England would probably have won.

Nonetheless, India's Champions Trophy win is not comparable to a mediocre Pakistan's triumph in 2017.

 

[Tusker]

It wasn't a fluke per se because India were a very good ODI team - one of the best around. However, they certainly got lucky in the final. The rain turned the game into a T20 affair and India got the upper hand. In a 50 over game, in those conditions, England would probably have won.

Nonetheless, India's Champions Trophy win is not comparable to a mediocre Pakistan's triumph in 2017.

Naah ... defending a very low score in a T20 is just very hard. You need to be on top of your game to pull of defending 129.

 

[Sam99]

Can't say fluke but if pak is said to do it again i doubt they can repeat similar performance. They blow hot and cold.

 

[SM1989]

Leicester won the premier league in 2016. The next year they were thrashed fully hence proving their previous win was a fluke.

Just like this, reality has set in for Pakistan.

 

[Mamoon]

Naah ... defending a very low score in a T20 is just very hard. You need to be on top of your game to pull of defending 129.

True, but the shortened game forced England out of their comfort-zone. They did not know how to approach the total and Dhoni choked them. India deserved to win on the day, but England were hard done by. I believe they would have won a 50 over game.

 

[Tusker]

True, but the shortened game forced England out of their comfort-zone. They did not know how to approach the total and Dhoni choked them. India deserved to win on the day, but England were hard done by. I believe they would have won a 50 over game.

you have to remember that England got the best advantage by winning the Toss. That was a huge advantage in those conditions and they had the bowlers to exploit those conditions.

 

[Mamoon]

you have to remember that England got the best advantage by winning the Toss. That was a huge advantage in those conditions and they had the bowlers to exploit those conditions.

That was the main reason why the match was a nail-biter. India bowling first would have resulted in a one-sided encounter. The conditions had eased up in the second innings and England were coasting at one stage, where England's choke job and Dhoni's masterful captaincy turned the tables.

 

[maanleo]

Alas this is still being discussed. Calling the complete tournament win a fluke is ignorance or hypocrisy. Yes, you can call Sri Lanka game a fluke but everyone have their fair share of luck once in a while.

On the other hand if some posters want to prove that this win doesn't make Pakistan best team in the world, then yes its true but it doesn't change the fact that Pakistan were best team of the tournament.

Being the best or dominant like Australia or India for a prolonged period of time has never been the case with Pakistan. In today's Cricket that needs a systematic approach, money, corruption free management, proper structure etc... that Pakistan is lacking.
With Pakistan most of the times wins are result of individual performances or passion as a whole team. It is nothing to be ashamed of and if my passionate fellow Pakistanis are celebrating these wins then they have every right to do so. But on the other hand some individuals call the whole tournament win fluke
This Pakistani passion adds another flavor to world cricket. When team lacks that passion we fans feel livid, but with that passion we can win tournaments. Calling those wins fluke is an insult to that passion. Message that this tournament win doesn't make Pakistan team best can be conveyed with better words.

 

[Titan24]

Alas this is still being discussed. Calling the complete tournament win a fluke is ignorance or hypocrisy. Yes, you can call Sri Lanka game a fluke but everyone have their fair share of luck once in a while.

On the other hand if some posters want to prove that this win doesn't make Pakistan best team in the world, then yes its true but it doesn't change the fact that Pakistan were best team of the tournament.

Being the best or dominant like Australia or India for a prolonged period of time has never been the case with Pakistan. In today's Cricket that needs a systematic approach, money, corruption free management, proper structure etc... that Pakistan is lacking.
With Pakistan most of the times wins are result of individual performances or passion as a whole team. It is nothing to be ashamed of and if my passionate fellow Pakistanis are celebrating these wins then they have every right to do so. But on the other hand some individuals call the whole tournament win fluke
This Pakistani passion adds another flavor to world cricket. When team lacks that passion we fans feel livid, but with that passion we can win tournaments. Calling those wins fluke is an insult to that passion. Message that this tournament win doesn't make Pakistan team best can be conveyed with better words.

Good post. I never thought I would wintness someone saying a tournament win a fluke, some people can go to great lenghths to undermine performances of individuals and teams.

 

[Titan24]

It wasn't a fluke per se because India were a very good ODI team - one of the best around. However, they certainly got lucky in the final. The rain turned the game into a T20 affair and India got the upper hand. In a 50 over game, in those conditions, England would probably have won.

Nonetheless, India's Champions Trophy win is not comparable to a mediocre Pakistan's triumph in 2017.

One of the best teams was beaten by a mediocre Pakistani team 2-1 in 2012 (pretty much one sided affair in the two they lost) before CT 13 in India and 4-0 in NZ post CT 13.

 

[Mamoon]

One of the best teams was beaten by a mediocre Pakistani team 2-1 in 2012 (pretty much one sided affair in the two they lost) before CT 13 in India and 4-0 in NZ post CT 13.

The team that we defeated in 2012/2013 was different to the one that won the Champions Trophy. India got rid of the expired seniors and inducted fresh faces that won them the tournament. One of the major reasons for their success was the successful opening combo of Rohit and Dhawan, who took over from Tendulkar and Sehwag/Gambhir prior to the tournament.

The NZ that beat India in NZ in 2014 was a top quality side in NZ conditions - pretty much unbeatable. The demolished teams en route to the World Cup final in 2015 and didn't lose a single match at home.

You don't have to be the best team in the world or be invincible to win a tournament; you have to be the best in certain conditions. The last time an all-condition team won an ODI tournament was Australia (2007 World Cup). Since then, teams have won tournaments because they were simply superior in those conditions.

The reason why our Champions Trophy win was a fluke because this current Pakistan team cannot beat Australia, India, England, South Africa and New Zealand in a series in any conditions anywhere in the world.

However, we won the Champions Trophy thanks to 3 wins where we rode our luck and the superior team had off-days due to multiple reasons. Whatever that could go right for us did, and whatever that could go wrong for the opposition did.

There are no parallels between our Champions Trophy win and India's 2011 World Cup and 2013 Champions Trophy triumphs.

 

[Gubol123]

The team that we defeated in 2012/2013 was different to the one that won the Champions Trophy. India got rid of the expired seniors and inducted fresh faces that won them the tournament. One of the major reasons for their success was the successful opening combo of Rohit and Dhawan, who took over from Tendulkar and Sehwag/Gambhir prior to the tournament.

The NZ that beat India in NZ in 2014 was a top quality side in NZ conditions - pretty much unbeatable. The demolished teams en route to the World Cup final in 2015 and didn't lose a single match at home.

You don't have to be the best team in the world or be invincible to win a tournament; you have to be the best in certain conditions. The last time an all-condition team won an ODI tournament was Australia (2007 World Cup). Since then, teams have won tournaments because they were simply superior in those conditions.

The reason why our Champions Trophy win was a fluke because this current Pakistan team cannot beat Australia, India, England, South Africa and New Zealand in a series in any conditions anywhere in the world.

However, we won the Champions Trophy thanks to 3 wins where we rode our luck and the superior team had off-days due to multiple reasons. Whatever that could go right for us did, and whatever that could go wrong for the opposition did.

There are no parallels between our Champions Trophy win and India's 2011 World Cup and 2013 Champions Trophy triumphs.

Luck always plays a big part in huge upsets. India's 1983 world cup, Pak's 1992 world up (Though they had a great team, they needs their luck to get thru in the initial stages), WI 2004 champions trophy, etc had winners getting lots of things going their way. the respective teams were not yet good enough to deserve it at the point as there were better teams. But if we just want the best team to win the tournament we don't need to play right Pakistan did ride their luck in 2017 win but they also played quite well.. its a fair win

 

[Buffet]

Tournament win is not a fluke.

 

[pakistani pride]

The team that we defeated in 2012/2013 was different to the one that won the Champions Trophy. India got rid of the expired seniors and inducted fresh faces that won them the tournament. One of the major reasons for their success was the successful opening combo of Rohit and Dhawan, who took over from Tendulkar and Sehwag/Gambhir prior to the tournament.

The NZ that beat India in NZ in 2014 was a top quality side in NZ conditions - pretty much unbeatable. The demolished teams en route to the World Cup final in 2015 and didn't lose a single match at home.

You don't have to be the best team in the world or be invincible to win a tournament; you have to be the best in certain conditions. The last time an all-condition team won an ODI tournament was Australia (2007 World Cup). Since then, teams have won tournaments because they were simply superior in those conditions.

The reason why our Champions Trophy win was a fluke because this current Pakistan team cannot beat Australia, India, England, South Africa and New Zealand in a series in any conditions anywhere in the world.

However, we won the Champions Trophy thanks to 3 wins where we rode our luck and the superior team had off-days due to multiple reasons. Whatever that could go right for us did, and whatever that could go wrong for the opposition did.

There are no parallels between our Champions Trophy win and India's 2011 World Cup and 2013 Champions Trophy triumphs.

Wow man just wow.

Which multiple reasons led to the fact ben stokes was not able to hit a single boundry or India couldnt handle Amir?

Please explain apart from the fact pak attack was superior.

 

[maanleo]

Whatever that could go right for us did, and whatever that could go wrong for the opposition did.

Yes, thanks to almighty Allah our team jelled together, played with their hearts and presented their top game. Whatever went wrong for the opposition is not our concern.

The reason why our Champions Trophy win was a fluke because this current Pakistan team cannot beat Australia, India, England, South Africa and New Zealand in a series in any conditions anywhere in the world.

Well if you say we can win a tournament by fluke then we can win a series by fluke

If one is hell bent to downplay a win then he can prove almost every win a fluke. Like if rain hadn't effected the games it would have been 2-0 to Pakistan (vs NZ)

But I guess nothing is going to stop you so carry on.

 

[Mamoon]

Wow man just wow.

Which multiple reasons led to the fact ben stokes was not able to hit a single boundry or India couldnt handle Amir?

Please explain apart from the fact pak attack was superior.

The English batsmen, including Stokes, were undone by the sluggish nature of the used Cardiff pitch. They struggled to time the ball and could not adjust to the conditions, which played into our hands because it also suited our heartless plodders, who were able to take their time to chase a below par total.

India were due an off-day. They have brutalized Pakisran for a number of years and now it was only a matter of time before they were going to lose a big game to Pakistan. Kohli has single-handedly demolished Pakistan and terrorized us for years now, and he was due a failure.

He has played Amir three times and he was Man of the Match in the first two games, taming Amir on both occasions. He was due a failure.

The Indian batting on the whole succumbed to the scoreboard pressure. The top-order would not have collapsed if Pakistan would have posted a <200 total, and Kohli also made a tactical blunder by opting to bowl first. Pakistan - the world renowned chokers while chasing - would have succumbed to scoreboard pressure worse than India did. All Indian needed to do was score 270 and Pakistan would have self-destructed.

India decided to play to their strengths rather than the consider the Achilles heel of the opposition. Specialist captain was lucky to lose the toss otherwise he would have opted to bowl first.

 

[paklvr_82]

To say HAsan Ali bowling, Shadab fielding, Fakhar batting, Amir bowling [in the final] in CT 17was a fluke just because of our senior crap middle order not performing and being carried to NEw Zealand, is ridiculous and despicable.

Someone compared Pakistan win with West Indies win in 2004 rofl. Anyone who knows PAkistan domestic structure, the limited opportunities given to self-made youngsters to get into Pakistan XI, many who face politics and other issues like Sohail Khan [Pak's best longer version bowler] who is sitting out despite performances or sharjeel khan. To blame PCB nepotism, corruption, persisting with Maliks and Akmals, the biased treatment on Pakistani players and question their talent is plain pathetic.

 

[Mamoon]

Yes, thanks to almighty Allah our team jelled together, played with their hearts and presented their top game. Whatever went wrong for the opposition is not our concern.



Well if you say we can win a tournament by fluke then we can win a series by fluke

If one is hell bent to downplay a win then he can prove almost every win a fluke. Like if rain hadn't effected the games it would have been 2-0 to Pakistan (vs NZ)

But I guess nothing is going to stop you so carry on.

You can fluke a series win, but it is much harder to accomplish than fluking one-off games. The longer the series, the more likely it is for the superior team to prevail. That is why Pakistan consistently lose series after series to quality teams home and away.

For example, Pakistan beat England in the first ODI of the UAE series in 2015, but once England adjusted to the slow pitches, they won the series comfortably.

If rain hadn't affected the games, NZ would have won both matches in more convincing fashion. They would have won the first game by a bigger margin than 61 runs, and would have chased the total down in the second game with more than 7 balls to spare.

Rain actually helped us avoid humiliation.

 

[paklvr_82]

The English batsmen, including Stokes, were undone by the sluggish nature of the used Cardiff pitch. They struggled to time the ball and could not adjust to the conditions, which played into our hands because it also suited our heartless plodders, who were able to take their time to chase a below par total.

India were due an off-day. They have brutalized Pakisran for a number of years and now it was only a matter of time before they were going to lose a big game to Pakistan. Kohli has single-handedly demolished Pakistan and terrorized us for years now, and he was due a failure.

He has played Amir three times and he was Man of the Match in the first two games, taming Amir on both occasions. He was due a failure.

The Indian batting on the whole succumbed to the scoreboard pressure. The top-order would not have collapsed if Pakistan would have posted a <200 total, and Kohli also made a tactical blunder by opting to bowl first. Pakistan - the world renowned chokers while chasing - would have succumbed to scoreboard pressure worse than India did. All Indian needed to do was score 270 and Pakistan would have self-destructed.

India decided to play to their strengths rather than the consider the Achilles heel of the opposition. Specialist captain was lucky to lose the toss otherwise he would have opted to bowl first.

Were'nt u celebrating Pandyas one-off innings asnd anointing him as the king of world cricket. Pakistan was 136-7 and from their 2 young guns of Pakistan 22 and a 19 year old, bashed New Zealand and added 100+ runs in less than 11 overs. OVerlooking these aspects just to bash Pakistan shows your bias. Flukes dont happen too often btw.

 

[Mamoon]

Were'nt u celebrating Pandyas one-off innings asnd anointing him as the king of world cricket. Pakistan was 136-7 and from their 2 young guns of Pakistan 22 and a 19 year old, bashed New Zealand and added 100+ runs in less than 11 overs. OVerlooking these aspects just to bash Pakistan shows your bias. Flukes dont happen too often btw.

Hasan and Shadab are bright spots, but they alone cannot carry the team. The day Hasan goes through a lean patch, our so-called best bowling attack in the world will be exposed. We got a good glimpse today: no Hasan, no party.

 

[Pete Rose]

Hasan and Shadab are bright spots, but they alone cannot carry the team. The day Hasan goes through a lean patch, our so-called best bowling attack in the world will be exposed. We got a good glimpse today: no Hasan, no party.

everything looks good until it doesnt. that goes for every team. so i dont think there are significant tea leaves to sift through here.

 

[maanleo]

You can fluke a series win, but it is much harder to accomplish than fluking one-off games. The longer the series, the more likely it is for the superior team to prevail. That is why Pakistan consistently lose series after series to quality teams home and away.

For example, Pakistan beat England in the first ODI of the UAE series in 2015, but once England adjusted to the slow pitches, they won the series comfortably.

If rain hadn't affected the games, NZ would have won both matches in more convincing fashion. They would have won the first game by a bigger margin than 61 runs, and would have chased the total down in the second game with more than 7 balls to spare.

Rain actually helped us avoid humiliation.

Pakistan is a fluke master and to avoid them winning tournament in future, tournament should be years long with each team playing 10 games with every other team.

With due respect ranking table already serves that purpose. And I have already said that tournament win doesn't prove us to be the best team, just that we played better in that tournament.

Lol I was kidding about Pak vs NZ. Read again

 

[UP]

Fluke or not the trophy is in PCB’s headquarter. Stop wasting your time on this useless debate. I wonder if people have better things to do in life than debating online non-stop on meaningless issues.

Btw, Pakistan played the best cricket in that tournament and they won. Bowling was top notch. End of story.

 

[maanleo]

Fluke or not the trophy is in PCB’s headquarter. Stop wasting your time on this useless debate. I wonder if people have better things to do in life than debating online non-stop on meaningless issues.

Btw, Pakistan played the best cricket in that tournament and they won. Bowling was top notch. End of story.

Agree

 

[Plumb]

This obsession with "fluke pak win" is getting ridiculous to the extreme. People who have obsession with Ind's batting can keep their obsession and no need to compare that wih pak team.

Lets focus on pak strong/weak points and discuss that rather than "ifs" and "buts".

 

[MenInG]

Fluke or not the trophy is in PCB’s headquarter. Stop wasting your time on this useless debate. I wonder if people have better things to do in life than debating online non-stop on meaningless issues.

Btw, Pakistan played the best cricket in that tournament and they won. Bowling was top notch. End of story.

Think its a tough one to swallow especially if you have been one to put them down before the CT win.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Voted yes by mistake

CT is a tournament where you can't fluke your way to a win.

You have small groups with all teams of high quality, no minnow games.

Then you have to win the SF and Final.

So you basically have to fluke your way throughout the tournament if it has to be a fluke.

However does Pak's CT win mean they are suddenly a top ODI outfit? Sorry but that's just not the case.

And rankings also rightly say so.

 

[paklvr_82]

Hasan and Shadab are bright spots, but they alone cannot carry the team. The day Hasan goes through a lean patch, our so-called best bowling attack in the world will be exposed. We got a good glimpse today: no Hasan, no party.

Thanks for acknowledging and can see these changes un your judgement, it was Fakhar the only bright spot, now Hasan is the only bright spot, tomorrow Shadab will be the only bright spots. Unlike India we have little too many bright spots and they don't perform flukes together esp. in a knockout tournament like a CT.

 

[Titan24]

The team that we defeated in 2012/2013 was different to the one that won the Champions Trophy. India got rid of the expired seniors and inducted fresh faces that won them the tournament. One of the major reasons for their success was the successful opening combo of Rohit and Dhawan, who took over from Tendulkar and Sehwag/Gambhir prior to the tournament.

The NZ that beat India in NZ in 2014 was a top quality side in NZ conditions - pretty much unbeatable. The demolished teams en route to the World Cup final in 2015 and didn't lose a single match at home.

You don't have to be the best team in the world or be invincible to win a tournament; you have to be the best in certain conditions. The last time an all-condition team won an ODI tournament was Australia (2007 World Cup). Since then, teams have won tournaments because they were simply superior in those conditions.

The reason why our Champions Trophy win was a fluke because this current Pakistan team cannot beat Australia, India, England, South Africa and New Zealand in a series in any conditions anywhere in the world.

However, we won the Champions Trophy thanks to 3 wins where we rode our luck and the superior team had off-days due to multiple reasons. Whatever that could go right for us did, and whatever that could go wrong for the opposition did.

There are no parallels between our Champions Trophy win and India's 2011 World Cup and 2013 Champions Trophy triumphs.

A win is a win, especially if a team wins a tournament its unfair to call it a fluke.

The conditions in England always suit our playing style, look at 2009 T20 world cup, or 1999 world cup. If one team plays better than the others in some conditions its not called a fluke. We did beat SA, Eng and India.

I am pretty sure if we play any of these teams including Aus in Engish conditions with the same team we had in CT 17 we will be able to beat them.

NZ is still unbeaten at their home, a top quality side and in recent times, only SA was able to beat them in past 3,4 years if I am not wrong by 2-1.

 

[Titan24]

Were'nt u celebrating Pandyas one-off innings asnd anointing him as the king of world cricket. Pakistan was 136-7 and from their 2 young guns of Pakistan 22 and a 19 year old, bashed New Zealand and added 100+ runs in less than 11 overs. OVerlooking these aspects just to bash Pakistan shows your bias. Flukes dont happen too often btw.

Yes they both were exceptional, future is definitely bright.

 

[Titan24]

Thanks for acknowledging and can see these changes un your judgement, it was Fakhar the only bright spot, now Hasan is the only bright spot, tomorrow Shadab will be the only bright spots. Unlike India we have little too many bright spots and they don't perform flukes together esp. in a knockout tournament like a CT.

[MENTION=146470]paklvr_82[/MENTION] you are a welcome addition to Pakpassion, read few of your posts and you raised pretty good points.

Welcome!

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=146470]paklvr_82[/MENTION]

You will find nothing but praise from my side as far as Hasan and Shadab are concerned. You find a single 'negative' post as far as these two are concerned.

Unfortunately, you cannot be a world class ODI/T20 team in this era without world class batting. Both Hasan and Shadab are competent with the bat, but we cannot hope to be ranked in the top 3 as long as our top-order batting is rubbish.

Fakhar has been a welcome addition, but he does not get into any of the top sides. All of them have much superior options, so he is not exactly a bright spot as far as I am concerned. Nonetheless, he is vital for us at the moment because the others are awful.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Assalamualaikum.

Anyone who believes Pakistan's victory in CT17 was a fluke falls into the following 5 categories:

a] Does not understand probability.
b] Opposes Pakistan.
c] Had a bet on India to win the tournament.
d] Is a troll.
d] All/combination of the above.

Pakistan may have lost the first the match against India, but to win ALL matches there-on is not a fluke; in terms of Physics, Pakistan's performance is classified as a Sigma 5 event.

1. Pakistan falsified the belief that money equates to success.
2. Pakistan falsified the belief games at home equate to success.
3. Pakistan falsified the belief rankings have meaning.

Pakistan have, can, and will, beat any team on their day, it is just a question of unity and heart. This makes Pakistan the most unpredictable thus most dangerous team on the planet.

Dil Dil Pakistan. Proud of Pakistan.

 

[Mamoon]

Assalamualaikum.

Anyone who believes Pakistan's victory in CT17 was a fluke falls into the following 5 categories:

a] Does not understand probability.
b] Opposes Pakistan.
c] Had a bet on India to win the tournament.
d] Is a troll.
d] All/combination of the above.

Pakistan may have lost the first the match against India, but to win ALL matches there-on is not a fluke; in terms of Physics, Pakistan's performance is classified as a Sigma 5 event.

1. Pakistan falsified the belief that money equates to success.
2. Pakistan falsified the belief games at home equate to success.
3. Pakistan falsified the belief rankings have meaning.

Pakistan have, can, and will, beat any team on their day, it is just a question of unity and heart. This makes Pakistan the most unpredictable thus most dangerous team on the planet.

Dil Dil Pakistan. Proud of Pakistan.

No, it makes Pakistan mediocre and inconsistent. It does not have the ability and the temperament to beat the top teams consistently.

Only in Pakistan is the inconsistency of the team romanticized and repackaged as 'unpredictability' and 'mercuriality'.

Pakistan is an inferior team to Australia, India, South Africa, New Zealand and England; that does not make Pakistan dangerous.

Welcome to PP.

 

[R3verse Swing]

No, it makes Pakistan mediocre and inconsistent. It does not have the ability and the temperament to beat the top teams consistently.

Only in Pakistan is the inconsistency of the team romanticized and repackaged as 'unpredictability' and 'mercuriality'.

Pakistan is an inferior team to Australia, India, South Africa, New Zealand and England; that does not make Pakistan dangerous.

Welcome to PP.

I'm afraid you cannot invoke the term *inconsistent* with respect to the CT17 performance; it is an oxymoron. Your point of inconsistency is only valid outside of the CT17. This thread is about CT17. Pakistan's performance was anything but inconsistent in CT17 after the first loss.

Thank you for the warm welcome.

 

[Mamoon]

I'm afraid you cannot invoke the term *inconsistent* with respect to the CT17 performance; it is an oxymoron. Your point of inconsistency is only valid outside of the CT17. This thread is about CT17. Pakistan's performance was anything but inconsistent in CT17 after the first loss.

Thank you for the warm welcome.

Yes, I am looking at Pakistan cricket holistically. It was inconsistent (mediocre) before the Champions Trophy and it is inconsistent (mediocre) after the Champions Trophy. That makes the tournament a flash in the pan, or a wet squib.

 

[babajee]

Only in Pakistan is the inconsistency of the team romanticized and repackaged as 'unpredictability' and 'mercuriality'.

Actually most pundits from outside Pakistan recognise that Pakistan are a mercurial side and you never know which Pakistan will turn up on a given day.

 

[Gubol123]

No, it makes Pakistan mediocre and inconsistent. It does not have the ability and the temperament to beat the top teams consistently.

Only in Pakistan is the inconsistency of the team romanticized and repackaged as 'unpredictability' and 'mercuriality'.

Pakistan is an inferior team to Australia, India, South Africa, New Zealand and England; that does not make Pakistan dangerous.

Welcome to PP.

I came here to say the same thing. I don't know why Pakistani fans feel proud and highlight that they are very unpredictable and can beat anyone. If any one of us go back to our bosses and say i am very unpredictable and will nail that important presentation once in a while we will get fired. If an upcoming team gets tagged as unpredictable and mercurial, then it is something we can understand. we are talking about a team which has played at the highest level for nearly 7 decades and won multiple global tournaments. why do you want to be satisfied by being unpredictable? As an Indian fan i would be very disappointed if my team was called an unpredictable or mercurial team. I know Indian team is pretty much unbeatable in Asia and pretty ordinary outside that. I know what to expect and team knows what they need to achieve (more wins outside Indian subcontinent) where to improve. They don't have to restart every few years because they are unpredictable and don't know what to expect out of themselves. It is not romantic, it is a tragedy

 

[Gubol123]

Actually most pundits from outside Pakistan recognise that Pakistan are a mercurial side and you never know which Pakistan will turn up on a given day.

Sure, why is that something Pakistan fans or PCB has to put up with? after playing at the highest level for 7 decades i am sure, Pakistan fans want some kind of consistency.

 

[babajee]

Sure, why is that something Pakistan fans or PCB has to put up with? after playing at the highest level for 7 decades i am sure, Pakistan fans want some kind of consistency.

Something always goes against us - even our star studded lineup of previous years couldn’t maintain consistency

 

[R3verse Swing]

Yes, I am looking at Pakistan cricket holistically. It was inconsistent (mediocre) before the Champions Trophy and it is inconsistent (mediocre) after the Champions Trophy. That makes the tournament a flash in the pan, or a wet squib.

Holistically I agree, but specifically within the realms of CT17, Pakistan were consistent.

This very fact proves beyond doubt that Pakistan are unpredictable, but on their day, through unity, trust, and discipline, Pakistan are unbeatable.

I understand where you are coming from. Your view is an interstellar view, but as a Pakistan fan, one should know that Pakistan perform when fans and the cricket world are least expecting it. 1992 WC, Anne-do series, and Whitewashing England (2012) 3-0 to name but a few.

If anything, Pakistan is consistent in surprising fans of cricket. This makes Pakistan the most dangerous team in the world, simply because one does not know what to expect.

 

[Gubol123]

Something always goes against us - even our star studded lineup of previous years couldn’t maintain consistency

That is because Pakistan depends on very unprofessional domestic setup. They earlier depended on counties as finishing schools for their cricketers. Few players who played in counties brought whatever professionalism they acquired in UK back to their team. That allowed them to excel individually at least and contribute to make pakistan a good team. Now the county options are drying out and we see that lack of professional setup is having an impact on overall quality of cricket. Not sure why PCB wouldn't be more professional.. Lack of international cricket at home is not a factor as that will restrict the financial gains but won't stop PCB from being a professional setup. Neither is politics, as even BCCI has too much politics but still has managed to bring some sort of professionalism in the last couple of decades..

 

[Bilal7]

So apparently:

- Pakistan's '92 World Cup was a fluke because Pakistan lost subsequently ended up losing ODI series.
- India's 2011 WC win was a fluke because India subsequently ended up losing several ODI series.
- Australia's 2015 WC win was a fluke because Australia " " "

Yet another partially insane idea propagated by the toons of Pakpassion. In reality, we won the CT and against Sri Lanka because all of our players played to the best of their ability. We lost in New Zealand because none of them did.

 

[Bilal7]

Holistically I agree, but specifically within the realms of CT17, Pakistan were consistent.

This very fact proves beyond doubt that Pakistan are unpredictable, but on their day, through unity, trust, and discipline, Pakistan are unbeatable.

I understand where you are coming from. Your view is an interstellar view, but as a Pakistan fan, one should know that Pakistan perform when fans and the cricket world are least expecting it. 1992 WC, Anne-do series, and Whitewashing England (2012) 3-0 to name but a few.

If anything, Pakistan is consistent in surprising fans of cricket. This makes Pakistan the most dangerous team in the world, simply because one does not know what to expect.

You missed out the 2013 series in South Africa, when we became the only Asian team to beat them in their backyard, after they hammered us 4-1 in our own.

 

[Hasan123]

The win wasn't a fluke but it had extended the careers of some the dead wood in our team. Whilst I wouldn't change the CT victory what I would change was our actions post CT. In an ideal world , Hafeez,Azhar, and Malik (as a guaranteed starter) would have been ditched.

 

[Sadevdesai]

The Indians surely had a very bad day and we had a very good day on the same day !!!
So the result was easily predictable. Could it happen again ???? Of course. Reverse could just happen as well .... so keep the fingers crossed !!!!

 

[pakistani pride]

The English batsmen, including Stokes, were undone by the sluggish nature of the used Cardiff pitch. They struggled to time the ball and could not adjust to the conditions, which played into our hands because it also suited our heartless plodders, who were able to take their time to chase a below par total.

India were due an off-day. They have brutalized Pakisran for a number of years and now it was only a matter of time before they were going to lose a big game to Pakistan. Kohli has single-handedly demolished Pakistan and terrorized us for years now, and he was due a failure.

He has played Amir three times and he was Man of the Match in the first two games, taming Amir on both occasions. He was due a failure.

The Indian batting on the whole succumbed to the scoreboard pressure. The top-order would not have collapsed if Pakistan would have posted a <200 total, and Kohli also made a tactical blunder by opting to bowl first. Pakistan - the world renowned chokers while chasing - would have succumbed to scoreboard pressure worse than India did. All Indian needed to do was score 270 and Pakistan would have self-destructed.

India decided to play to their strengths rather than the consider the Achilles heel of the opposition. Specialist captain was lucky to lose the toss otherwise he would have opted to bowl first.

Do you even know the RR for pak during the ENG game? When pak batted it looked like a 300 plus pitch.

Kohli chocked as he did during the wc SF vs aus.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Please remember, Virat Kohli was out twice, in two consecutive balls in the final

This is not a fluke, but consistency.

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

Ok so Pakistan beat England with 13 overs to spare and India by 180 runs how the hell is this a fluke
And India beat England by 5 runs in 2013 they deserve it what a logic by some posters here

 

[Sirris]

The champions trophy was won by the most part thanks to the hard work of young and new players like Hasan Ali and Fakhar Zaman. It was the fruit of their labor. Hence calling it a fluke would be highly disrespectful to those guys.

Our ODI team is a joke no doubt but that's mostly because of the good for nothing players who havent earned their spot in the team to begin with.

 

[Raja Sab]

I don't see how a championship win can be a fluke, it's like saying Tyson Fury won the lineal world championship because it was a fluke in that he just showed up, did nothing and a miracle occurred thanks to divine intervention. Our squad for once was a massive improvement over the one in 2013 and the boys prepared extremely well, they were hammered in the first game due to the nature of the contest and stage fright but displayed incredible fortitude to bounce back and made some key changes along the way, Pakistan earned the CT it wasn't handed to them.

Most people wouldn't say it's a fluke, there's just one famous celebrity on PP who will say it's a fluke.

i'd would have called it a fluke if all the games Pakistan were playing were rain affected and the all their opponents had half the side reported to injuries just like how AJ boxing career been after he became the champion

 

[Savak]

Pakistan Cricket is inconsistent and is still behind the major teams like Australia, England, NZ, South Africa and India when it comes to ODI and T-20 cricket. But the CT victory was not a fluke, we lost in very devastating fashion to India and then we bounced back and we beat solid teams of South Africa, Sri Lanka, England (Hot tournament favorites) and then India (Revenge) in the final.

This is not a fluke, we beat 4 power giant teams on the go and that is no fluke at all, in fact in that tournament the Pakistani team showed character to win a global tournament being massive underdogs and under criticism for being too far behind the rest of the world in ODI Cricket. It was a remarkable achievement for a country which gets no international cricket at home but is still punching above its weight to show the world that we as a nation keep getting up after every possible knock down.

And please don't fall for one guy masquarading as a Pakistani calling our CT victory a fluke, he is just showing classic sour grapes how we demolished his home country in the final.

 

[Aman]

Not a fluke, Pakistan peaked at the right time and India flopped at the wrong time.

 

[Nitya85]

Pakistan is Overrated Team !

Since the Champions Trophy Victory every Pakistani Fan Started thinking That this Pakistan team is the best in the World by far distance.But if we have a closer look this Pakistani Team is Very Average team and all the fans expecting Too much from this team Currently.
Apart from Shadab Khan and Hasan ali no pakistani player will find a place in Odi team of any Top team.
Beating New zeland in New Zeland is no easy task and they have already proved it in the first two ODI's.
And just after two games Blame game has begun in Pakistan questioning the likes of Azar Ali,Hafeez,Malik and even Sarfaraz
As an Asian Fan we really lack patience and started criticising our team just after 1 or 2 losses.
So my Advice to all Pakistani fans is to Just Calm down ths Pakistani team no World Beater team.