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you want to go to the toilet you can do but you'll miss everything so let's go ahead what do the Muslims Claim about the Quran number one it's uncreated it's
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right there in the Quran itself in chapter 85 verse 22. therefore it has not never it has never been had any
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chance that any human could have any control over it it was sent down to Muhammad between 6 10 and 632 that's
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what they claim it was completed by uthman in 652 that's probably this book in this my hand right here is from Usman
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they say and then number four the Quran is unchanged in the last 1400 years not one word not one letter has changed have
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you heard Muslims say this every Muslim says those four things just memorize those four words uncreated sent
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down completed unchanged that's all you need to know I'll come back to it I'm going to shut
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down those four but I'm going to show you something even better about those four hold on so what do Christians Claim
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about the Bible is the Bible uncreated no of course it's created we know who wrote it we even know the authors we put
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their names on most of the books the Bible is not sent down he was inspired by God but not sent down uh through an
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angel the Bible was complete so yes we would say that that was the case the
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thing is we don't have any of the original manuscripts so we don't know what the complete is hasn't been changed yeah parts of it has we know where
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they've been changed we know even what we even put we're very transparent we put in right where the verses that have
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been added or or there have been scribal errors have been taken away so we know that we're very clear about that and we're only talking about 40 verses out
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of over 6 000 verses so tonight I'm not going to shut down uncrated or sent down because I'm not
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there I'm going to shut down complete and unchanged those two that's what I want to look at so what I want to look for is
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one Quran manuscript from the seventh century that's complete 114 series that is unchanged and this is what I've asked
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Muslims all over the world I've debated over a hundred debates that I've done with Muslims and this is what
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I always ask show me one manuscript of your Quran from the seventh century that's unchanged just like the Quran I
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have in my hand here where do we go to find out about the Quran we have to go to sahih buhari
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remember I told him that he died in 870 so we he's the one that tells us how the Quran is put together now this is what
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he says he says Muhammad died in 632 it had not been written down it finally got written
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down in his final form uh at the time of uthman in 652 the third caliph he then set five copies to five different cities
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Mecca Medina Basra kufa and Damascus and those been became the Canon the
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canonized Quran for the whole world uh in 652. the problem is almost immediately another Quran supplants the
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one in Damascus by written by uba IBN kab it had 116 surahs that's two more than on the Quran today another was
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written in Baghdad written by IBN Masood it had 110 surahs that's that's a four less than what is in the Quran today
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another wrist by IBN Musa 114 stores it had so many differences according to according to Arthur Jeffer who's done
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the work on this if you just look at those manuscripts and you compare with the Quran today they're about 15 000
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differences you've got a problem so how could there have been one Quran there were at least five qurans and
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seventh from the seventh century from Mecca Medina Ambassador Damascus we cannot find one of them
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now one of those qurans exists today folks when we talk about 1400 years ago as Christians we have the city
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anarchists the Galax and dryness we have the vaticanus these are from the third and fourth century
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that's two to three hundred years before the Quran why can we reproduce our entire Bible we have 365 manuscripts of
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the New Testament before the 7th Century why can't they come up with one Quran from the 7th Century that's my question
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they are the ones that claim it not me where are these five manuscripts look at
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those cities they've always been controlled by Islam for the last 1400 years so how could they have lost it
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rather inept wouldn't you say so
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before we get into the manuscripts I want to look at the girat these are the readings this is probably done the most devastating material
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that's just come out in the last few years these are the original manuscripts now I say original means these are the
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earliest manuscripts you notice when you read them you can all read the Arabic you notice you can't why can't you read that
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because in order to be an reader Arabic you need to have dots and vowels right there are no dots and vowels on that you
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need that white because those manuscripts the Samarkand and the Sana or those ones had 16 letters but you
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can't read it today unless you have vows to help you out or dots today there are 28 letters so obviously another 12
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letters were added why because of the dots now there are six letters that don't require doth like the aleph the
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lamb the MIM the new and the wow the other 22 all require dots what am I talking about well take a look at one
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smiley face month smiley face is usually the root of most letters in Arabic if you put one
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daughter but you have a nut two dots above you have a top three dots above you have a thought one dot below you have a bar two dots below to have a yeah
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five dots were added in the eighth century not in the seventh century
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now I can read it but that didn't exist in the 7th Century none of those manuscripts you just saw
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hold on it what about dialectical differences you need to have three vowels to have dialectical differences
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so you need to be have a dhamma which is the u sound you need to have a casa which is the e sound and you need to
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have a fata which is the ah sound those were only added in the late 8th century and early 9th century so you've got a
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problem here because suddenly you have Abdul Malik who comes to power and he wants to create a Quran because he's now
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introducing a prophet a prophet has to have a book so what do you do you have to borrow right left and center but the
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problem is you're borrowing in Arabic and you don't have any Arabic that has Dawson vowels so you decide to write
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your Quran with your dots in it and you call Huffs you decide to write your well you're supposed to be a male but listen pretend you're male today and you call
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it wash and you decide to write your crunching you put your thoughts and vowels wherever you want to you live in kufa you live in Cairo you live in
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Damascus and you put your own dots wherever you want to and you put your dots where you want to suddenly we have four different qurans right in four
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different cities well that starts to proliferate until the 10th Century there were 700
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different qurans did you hear me 700 different qurans
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according to this man who did his doctoral thesis he's now him of uh the Islamic department at
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Harvard University he guests and estimates because they're not there today now you've got a problem
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I've got all these qurans none of them are agreeing you've got a difficulty so even with jahid man in the 10th century
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was given the responsibility to choose seven but before we do that notice if Dots are in different places with
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different vowels just with three different one of those little smiley faces you get 19 different words
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there's the difficulty so here's what he did he was given the responsibility to choose seven and these
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are the first seven he chose Nafi from Medina from Mecca
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even Amir from Damascus
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notice not notice that three of them are from kufa one to Damascus uh the other
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one is is from basil and the other two are from Arabia look at the dates
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what do you notice about the dates of every one of those look at the death dates every one of them either died between
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736 and 805. that means 8th and 9th century did any of these men know Muhammad
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that they even live in the same Century as Muhammad so how could they have come from Muhammad these are the seven that every Muslim
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will swear came from Muhammad but no one's daughter to look at their dates I am the one that put the dates up there
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you've got to put the dates together folks and this is where you're going to shut down every Muslim they have no idea
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of these dates those are the first seven but this book is not there this is Huff's this is the official book
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for the whole world today memorized by 93 of all
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muslimsam you see Awesome's name up there number five he is a disciple of awesome so in 1194
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two disciples were chosen from every one of the seven to make 14 right and that
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was chosen by al-shatabi in 1194. now you have 7 plus 14 how many you have twenty one am I correct I hope my Math's
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right that still isn't good enough in the 15th century in 429 another main name
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al-jazadi chose another nine to acclimate with another 21. so now you
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have 30 different qurans no two are alike
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but you've been told there's only one Quran right and the one that was chosen by Saudi
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Arabia was the Huffs that you see there guess how many differences there are between Huffs and the other 29.
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93 thousand ninety three thousand this is the first time you're hearing this right I hope
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your people are watching you Muslims are watching you're listening to this this is going to shut down your Quran for you
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who is the one that found this my colleague she's only five foot two she's from Turkey in London she and I
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were on the ladder for three years there at Speaker's Corner every Sunday she was the one that found these by accident because she went to Morocco she went to
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Yemen she went to Jordan and she went into a bookstore and says show me a Quran and they said well Which con are
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you talking about I said what do you mean which Quran they said well we have Kowloon here we have Huffs over here we have water over
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here we have kisai over here we have IBN katir she said well give them all to me so she brought him back to London showed me them and I looked at them and I said
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oh man I started laughing I thought these were all destroyed in 1924 they were in Cairo and thrown into the Nile evidently not there they are she has
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found Now 26 of them she brought 26 of them down the Speaker's Corner we held them up in 2060. we filmed it went all
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over the Internet this shut down the Quran in 2016. see the man that's there on the right The Tall Man with the beard
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his name is Muhammad hijab one of the most popular men on the internet he has a following about anywhere from half a
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million to a million followers he was there filming us when he was doing that he realized there was a problem he
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quickly went outside the crowd and he yelled at all the people come to me do not look at what they're showing you do not listen to what they're saying I will
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explain everything to you obviously he explained it pretty well why because four years later he was shown these
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material I'm not going to go into all of these you can go into every one of them but you can see the Huff's on the left the washer on the right in every case
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it's completely different words just by changing the vows by changing the docs you not only get different words you get
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different meanings you don't even get different meanings you get different doctrines you get different theologies and you get different practices it shuts
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down the Quran from being preserved obviously these are all done by man there's a problem there and so he came
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to this man who's the leading Authority there on the right yasarkari there in Houston and he said I have a problem I'm going to put my hand out here and I'm
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gonna this is a blank piece of paper which Quran are you going to write on it which is the one that's Eternal which is the one that was revealed to Muhammad
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tell me which one of it remember he was the one that told all the Muslims he was going to explain it to them says we do not talk about this in public
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this is the most difficult problem for Muslim Scholars for the last Thousand Years
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he said we have a respect for the Quran we there are certain questions we don't ask so Muhammad said was that the problem
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you had when you were at Yale University getting your doctorate on this in 1995 is that where you had a crisis of faith is no no not crisis of Faith crisis of
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knowledge notice the difference he said in the West
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the scholars have come Leaps and Bounds in the last hundred years and they're looking at you pointing to Mohammed
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hijab in the east they're looking at you like the emperor with no clothes why because your
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standard narrative has holes in it what narrative standard Islamic
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narrative s-i-n has holes in it well we know sin has
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holes in it but can you see what happened this was only a 28 long
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this is really a question that was happening it was an interview for 28 minutes he didn't know we were all watching this
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he said I never have talked about this for 25 years I will never do a lecture on this
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so Muhammad had John put his hand out a second time he said you've got to tell me which is the one that's Eternal because the Quran says in chapter 85 22
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1-22 that this book is eternal the Quran says in chapter 10 verse 15 in chapter 18 verse 27 that no man can change one
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word or even one letter it says in the Quran chapter 15 verse 9 that Allah protects his word which is the one
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after 28 minutes finally had to give in and he finally had to admit they're all
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the Quran all 30 of them you take a little bit of kaloon you take a little bit of watch you take a little bit of
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Huffs and you just mix them out and that's the crown we have today I started clapping I was watching this live I said
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yasukai you have no idea you've just now admitted that there are 93 000 differences I'm going to show you these
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two right here these are two of them right here there's the Huff's here's the watch you can buy these on the internet
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this is the one that is memorized by 93 of the world's population this is memorized by three percent of the
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world's population this is from Egypt this one is from kufa in Iraq there are 5 000 different words between these two
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books I'm holding them right here this shuts down the Quran
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within two weeks if you looked at their sights there were hundreds of Muslims they said we're leaving Islam because of what you
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have said and our blood is going to be on your shoulders they had a shut down those comments
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within two months they had to take that video off of both their sites but I've got it
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David wood has it how Tosh has it and every June 8th of every year we bring up
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that interview once over again and show the whole world you cannot say that this comes from God you cannot even say it
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comes from Muhammad you can't even say it comes from Usman this has been changed and manipulated
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from the last 1400 years now let's get to the manuscripts because
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the manuscripts we do have now we have 8 500 Greek manuscripts 10 000 Latin
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vulgates another 9011 different languages that's roughly 24 000 to 25 000 manuscripts of the New
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Testament alone am I correct just say yes how many manuscripts do they have that are early
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six you want to see them there they are the top copy from Turkey the summer Khan
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from Uzbekistan in London the petropolitanus I'm sorry I'm going the wrong way from France
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there in Cairo and the son of manuscript the most exciting there in Yemen I'm not going to unpack every one of them these
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are the ones we're debating I did a debate on these four six manuscripts in 2014 with the world's leading scholar Dr
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shabir Ali he could not answer one question because he never looked at these manuscripts
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I have three of them the facilities of three of them in my office we're looking at them folks you notice
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what we have found no two of these manuscripts are from the seventh century they're from the 8th 9th and 10th
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Century no two are alike and they don't agree with the Quran we have today the best one the Top Copy which is about
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99 has 2270 manuscript variants when you look at the Sanam manuscript it
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has two different layers of letters and there are 63 verses in the lower layer it has 70 variants just within those 63
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verses can you see there's a problem here I'm not going to get into these ones here these are the carbon datings
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but when you look at the carbon datings of the earliest management of the sauna manuscript they the datings of the carbon dates of this manuscript they are
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date from 390 to 550 they all predate the Quran they predate Islam and they
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pray date Muhammad proving that carbon dating don't use so they came up with this book here called the Birmingham folios the Birmingham manionship
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remember this in 2015 it was all over the internet when you look at the Birmingham manuscript it's only two pieces of paper
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front and back it's only 33 verses and guess what it's all about the seven sleepers of
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Ephesus chapter 18. that has nothing to do with Islam it's about the proto-evangelion of James that has
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nothing to do with Islam and it's about the story of Moses that all predates Islam all of these are in Arabic and
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they are nothing to do with Islam so what's going on hold on I want to interviews this guy here Dr
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Dan brubacher he was in our conference this last weekend you should have come this man has just shut the Quran down
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because of this book right here you need to buy this book
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basically what he has done is he's taken the Muslims afterward and he says if there's no changes in the last 1400 years let's see if I can find changes
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and he's looked he's the only one that's looked at all the manuscripts and he has found insertions there you can see some
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there he has found erasers there you can see erasers there he has found erasers over written you can see them there in
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the red he has found overriding without erasers he has found selective coverings there are so many coverings in the
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middle one there there are eight different coverings what every case when you see insertions when you have overriding when you have any one of
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these reference these differences what happens in every case it brings it down to a standardization of the huffstex
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means that this is censorship that's been going on for for not 1400 years it's been going on since the 1300s for
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700 years they've been changing these manuscripts to make them so they all are alike selective coverings overwritten
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and tapings we went down to Speaker's Corner I go down to one hour I'm in London there's Hutton Tosh the five foot two lady that
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destroyed the Quran they're on my left there and we decide to introduce this book there at Speaker's Corner while
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we're there one of the leading Scholars on the right there Mansour Ahmad from Bangladesh got up there and tried to shut us down and he was making the claim
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that you can trace the Quran back all the way to the 7th Century so I turned him and I say okay you can do that show
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me what manuscript you're talking about it's not the petropolitan you can't use the
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husseini and don't use the mighty manuscripts and certainly don't use the sauna manuscript because all of these are 8th 9th and 10th Century which is
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the manuscript that goes back to the 7th century he finally had to admit that there were 63 There was six I was 96 of the Quran
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that they could find within the first century that means between 6 22 and 721
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or 719. notice the 63 that he's talking about these are the fragments that he
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has found notice we looked at every one of these fragments none of them those ones I'm putting up there there's no one
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has come to any conclusion on those 20 the next nine are all after the sixth
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seventh nineteen so they shouldn't have used those to a nine and the next 34 no
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one's done any working which means he has basically what the Muslims have done they've just created
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manuscripts or fragments most of these are just one or two verses they've tried to come up with 63 to come up with 96 of
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the crime and they're all none of them can be used from the first century of Islam oh I love it makes my job so easy
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thus none of them are really valid since all of them are either later or tentally dated or have no supporting evidence so
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where did the Quran that we have in our hand where did it come from this book right here
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it was chosen in 1924 by one scholar named why because they were having some
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problem amongst the uni the high schools kids there in the City of Cairo they're having 30 different answers for all the
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questions they went to Muhammad said choose one and he chose this one
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what did they do with the other 29 threw them into the Nile like I said earlier thinking that would get rid of them
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they didn't count on hatun Tosh five foot two lady to decide to find them in 2013.
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nonetheless that was so successful of choosing one crown that by 1936 it was then chosen as the Quran for the entire
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country of Egypt by 1985 the Saudi Arabian government saw how successful that model was so they chose it for the
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whole world in 1985 how many people are older or were living in 1985. just raise your hands that means every one of you
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who's raising your hands is now older than the Quran oh boy that must make you feel old
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but now we're coming to the best this is the last thing and this is lovely see you'd like to know where the Quran
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really comes from right I'd like to know where the Quran really comes from because if you're having to put together
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a book because a man had has been chosen who writes the book you don't have anything at hand what are you going to
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do you're going to borrow are you not so this is exactly what happened in the eighth in the ninth in the 10th century
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but what did they borrow let me introduce this man here Dr Gunther Luling who was a German scholar
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he did his Doctorate in 1970 and he's Nook at the Quran he noticed that there was some beautiful poetry in the Quran
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he said I've seen that before so he took those five dots off and he took the three vowels out and replaced them with
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Syriac and abiti and dots or Syriac nabatin Syriac or
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Syriac documents put the Syriac dots back in and put the vowels back in and
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guess what he found that these beautiful poetry were Christian hymns
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written by Christians about Jesus Christ
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this was found in 1970 as a result of that he was such an embarrassment for the Academia there in
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Germany that he though he received in his doctoral the examine Opus which is the highest grade you could get in
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Germany which means that you should be given a professorship in any University of your choice he was thrown out of Academia and he went Into Obscurity for
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30 years lived on welfare with his wife I met him in
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1998 I saw I said could I see your doctorate I took her back to England and I got it from Germany Germany and put it
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into English now remember when he writes one sentence is 400 words long that's how the academics do it in
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Germany we had been bringing it down so people could manage it we got it written in English it could not it would not
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they would not publish it there in Germany so that he had to get it published in India but because of that there you can see it right there the
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challenge to Islam for reformation don't read that you shouldn't read the the strong small print he then was able then
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was resurrected because it was all over the English-speaking world and he died a happy man in 2014. now Dr Christoph
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Luxembourg decided to go one step further he's also a German but that's not his real name because he will be
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killed for what he has found he decided to do what Gunther little league did but he decided to look at the dark passages
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25 of the Quran no one understands not even the scholars understand it a
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quarter of the Quran even the scholars don't understand did you know that can you understand the whole Bible
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certainly you can when Jack kid gets up here does he open the Bible please say yes does he read it please say yes does
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he unpack it for you and does he apply to your lives why because you can understand every word of it
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and you can understand it in English right thank God for our Bible but see you can't do that with the Quran
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you can't do that with the Quran you can't understand these 25. so what are you going to do well he decided to
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do what Gunther Luling did and he took and went to every one of those passages and he went through seven layers I won't
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go unpack each one of them he went through seven layers taking off the vows taking off the dots looking at the lexicons looking and seeing if you can
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find any Arabic words you couldn't find any there so he went to Syria put the dots back in put the vowels in hey went to the lexicons in Syria and guess where
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you could find he could reproduce all the 25 percent all the dark passages he was able to
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reproduce but what did he find once he took the Arab Quran and put it to its Aramaic Roots all the dark
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passages were Christian lectionaries Christian homilies and Christian hymns every lectionary homily him was about
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Jesus Christ
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it had nothing to do with what they found but who they found folks there are four textual Evolutions
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I'm not going to go with them tonight but can you see what we're doing I want to ask the same question of the
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Quran and come to the same conclusion remember I said the very beginning the Muslims have four things that they demand of the
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Quran it must be eternal it must be sent down it must be complete
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and unchanged I think we shut that down tonight have we not
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and we would not say the same thing about our word of God the Bible but hold on a minute is the Bible the
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only word of God we have don't we have someone who's also called the word of God the logos
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Jesus Christ let's apply those four to him is Jesus Christ eternal
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number one was Jesus Christ sent down number two is Jesus complete number
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three is Jesus unchanged absolutely everything the Muslims need
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we've got thus the four criteria Muslims are
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looking for in their Quran as their primary revelation we already have in Jesus Christ Our
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primary Revelation folks we need to bring them home to a much greater and a better Revelation and what's his name
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what's his name oh I love her what a name
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let's pray our heavenly father as we've gone and
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we've unpacked these three areas we've looked at the book The Man in the place we've also looked at the sources Lord
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when we look at these and we realize just how hopeless and impractical practical Islam is when we look and see
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that this is not a man who lived in the 7th Century oh there were many people called Muhammad the praise one of course
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possibly even you were called that when you were here but Lord when we look and see who he is and what that what has become of him and
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what David put to it's not a man I want to follow when we look at the Quran and we see that there was no crime in the seventh
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century there was not even a city called Mecca Lord everything they're dependent on on those three things we've now just
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using seventh century we have shut down Lord they still want to know you
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they still want to believe in God and they still want to be brought home Lord we're the only ones that can do
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that Lord I want to bring them back to a better God a bigger God a better book a bigger book a better Jesus a bigger
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Jesus I want to bring him back to you because we're the only ones that have the antidote though we can shut it down that's not in the reason I don't want to
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shut down their man God and book I want to bring him back to our man Garden book Lord that's something we've got to do
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the atheists can't do this the humanists can't do this because all they give them is nihilism in response
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I love these Muslims they're my favorite people I've worked with them for 40 years I wouldn't be wasting my time if I
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didn't love them I want them to know you and the only way I can do that is to bring them back to you
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what a God you are a God who enters time in space what a God you are a God who gave us his Revelation what a God you
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are because you came and died for us and rose again and that's the god they need to know Lord help every one of us who's
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here and those who are watching let's bring them home let's bring them home
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Christ name we pray amen
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