The Myths Debunking Thread

[rpant_gabba]

Here is your scientific proof View attachment 153527
The universe is still expanding, and this expansion is accelerating due to the influence of dark energy, a mysterious force counteracting gravity's pull15. Key points:


Current Understanding

• Acceleration confirmed: Observations of distant supernovae in 1998 revealed the expansion rate is increasing, contradicting expectations of gradual slowdown24.
• Measurement: The Hubble constant (expansion rate) is estimated between 67–73 km/s/Mpc, with recent James Webb Telescope data supporting higher values (~73 km/s/Mpc), deepening the mystery of why models and observations conflict6.

Mechanism

• Dark energy (68% of universe content) drives acceleration by creating repulsive pressure as space itself expands15.
• Scale factor: The universe's "grid" stretches over time, increasing distances between galaxies not bound by gravity13.

Future Outlook
Expansion is expected to continue indefinitely, potentially leading to a "cold" universe where galaxies become isolated56. However, the exact nature of dark energy remains unknown, leaving open questions about its long-term effects16

I can copy and paste too

1. Redshift Interpretation:

• Tired Light Theory:
  Some researchers suggest that the redshift observed in distant galaxies might not be due to the expansion of space, but rather the light losing energy as it travels through space, similar to how light tires.
  
  
• Einstein's Initial Belief:
  Initially, Einstein favored a static, unchanging universe and introduced the cosmological constant to his theory to accommodate that view. He later abandoned it after Hubble's observations seemed to indicate expansion.
  

2. Challenges to Expansion:

• Constant Surface Brightness:
  Observations of galaxies show that their surface brightness remains constant with distance, which would be expected in a non-expanding universe.
  
  
• Cosmic Microwave Background:
  The CMB, a key piece of evidence for the Big Bang, is interpreted by some as evidence of a universe that was once much hotter and denser, not necessarily as evidence of expansion.
  
  
• Alternative Theories:
  Some researchers propose mathematical models where the universe is actually static, and the effects we interpret as expansion are due to other phenomena, such as the evolution of particle masses over time.
  

3. Other Considerations:

• The Infinite Universe:
  Some argue that if the universe is infinite, it cannot expand because it is already everywhere.
  
  
• Finite Age vs. Expansion:
  The idea that the universe has a finite age, initially suggested by Hubble's observations, doesn't necessarily imply expansion.
  
  
• Hubble's Original Claim:
  Some argue that Hubble himself didn't claim the universe was expanding until the end of his life, and the claim is often misrepresented, according to one source.

 

[rpant_gabba]

@LordJames lol you were right, he is ducking now. All rambling and no proofs

yeah, you are the one who is running.

your statement

>>2. Or name living being not made of water.<<<

This is known long before quran.

Thus, quran is copied

 

[The Bald Eagle]

yeah, you are the one who is running.

your statement

>>2. Or name living being not made of water.<<<

This is known long before quran.

Thus, quran is copied

Q:How did scientists first discover that the universe's expansion is accelerating?

Scientists first discovered the universe's accelerating expansion in 1998 by observing distant type Ia supernovae—stellar explosions that serve as "standard candles" due to their consistent intrinsic brightness56. Two independent teams, the Supernova Cosmology Project and the High-Z Supernova Search Team, found that these supernovae appeared dimmer and more redshifted than expected, indicating they were farther away than predicted if the universe's expansion was slowing down356. This surprising result showed that the expansion rate was actually increasing, not decreasing as previously thought, leading to the conclusion that a mysterious force—later called dark energy—was driving the acceleration356. The discovery earned the leaders of these teams the Nobel Prize in Physics46.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Lol...no red herring....answer my questions....but but they have been answered before. Where was it first mentioned that cosmic world is ever expanding....reproduce the original source here.

so you are giving up on the water claim?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

so you are giving up on the water claim?

Why don't you ask your science religion to name me one just ONE living being not made from water...end of debate

 

[rpant_gabba]

Why don't you ask your science religion to name me one just ONE living being not made from water...end of debate

Ok, so you admit that quran copies a lot on known stuff and presents it a seminal

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Ok, so you admit that quran copies a lot on known stuff and presents it a seminal

Ok so why your religion or follower scientists wasted their entire life in discovering something that was already there even before Holy Quran...

Won't you call it a stupidity then

 

[The Bald Eagle]

can you be more specific about the discovery?

The Quran states, “We made every living thing from water” (Quran 21:30), highlighting water as the basis of life. Modern biology confirms that all living cells are mostly water, a fact only discovered after the invention of the microscope

 

[rpant_gabba]

Answer the QUESTIONS not red herring please.

Waiting in quene, myself, lord James and green storm. Thanks

do you even know what a red herring is?

here are your statements about quran and water.

>>2. Or name living being not made of water.<<<

humans have known every living thing has water in it centuries before. hell all you need to cut open a living thing and watch all livings things seek water and drink it.

are you implying this is all quran is good for.

no wonder muslim world is as backward as it is.

 

[rpant_gabba]

The Quran states, “We made every living thing from water” (Quran 21:30), highlighting water as the basis of life. Modern biology confirms that all living cells are mostly water, a fact only discovered after the invention of the microscope

LMAO. Guess you failed science class in high school.

That is an absolute nonsense claim

Which microscope are you referring to? Optical? SEM? TEM? AFM? STM?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

LMAO. Guess you failed science class in high school.

That is an absolute nonsense claim

Which microscope are you referring to? Optical? SEM? TEM? AFM? STM?

You need to learn English first, you have serious comprehension issues...and if you don't want to answer other questions (infact you can't ever answer) then instead of dilly dallying just stick to your expertises is chasing others for voting trump

 

[rpant_gabba]

You need to learn English first, you have serious comprehension issues...and if you don't want to answer other questions (infact you can't ever answer) then instead of dilly dallying just stick to your expertises is chasing others for voting trump

you need to buy yourself a couple of brain cells.

You made an assertion that it was first revealed in quran that water is part of a life forms.

That is false assertion and one that is easily disproven, as all liquid in ancient times was water based and all living things ooze out water based fluid when cut open. humans have been cutting open fruits and animals long before quran came by.

Ergo, quran is a filled with knowledge (may be it was new for the ignorant early muslims) known mankind for along time.

Then you brought microscope and asserted that no one knew there was water inside cells until microscope was invented. False again. Water molecule is 10000 times smaller than what an optical microscope can see.

I ask again which microscope are you talking about? can you provide a reference to the "discovery" you are talking about?

 

[LordJames]

Is woman born from Man's rib?
This is a 2-3 century old argument of Atheists (during European period) to Christianity from Genesis 2:21–23 (King James Version) where it states



It is copied/pasted to Islam based on this narration of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)



Everyone who is directly concerned about this argument, please add to it (and provide all evidence for your position) and we can look at this argument in 48 hours after everyone is done adding their objections.

Before you begin to formulate your objections, please note the following differences between Christianity and Islam:

1. The Christian position is "literal and elaborate" and addresses eve only
2. The Islamic position is "not literal" and applies to all women
3. Babies are being born for thousands of years and everybody knows that:
   1. Men and Women have sex
   2. Women get pregnant (via conception)
   3. The pregnancy lasts a period of time
   4. A child is born (boy or girl)

In other words, mankind has known for thousands of years that girls are not "literally" formed from the rib of the father and it is not rocket science so the Islamic narration cannot be literal because it is against the experience and observation of millions of people, Muslims or non-Muslims...girls are born the same way for all human females.

For questions, related to Christianity, refer to a Christian scholar.

How to respond to women created from rib argument?

When confronted with the tired claims of Hindutva nationalists or Christian missionaries, call out their misinformation immediately. The idea that Islam teaches women were literally created from a man's rib is not from the Qur’an or authentic Islamic doctrine. That belief comes straight from the Bible, specifically Genesis 2:21–23 (KJV):

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh...

This literal rib story is biblical, not Islamic. Some later Islamic commentaries—often influenced by earlier Judeo-Christian narratives—imported this idea without solid basis in Qur’anic or authentic Hadith sources.

What Islam Actually Says:​

The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) spoke metaphorically:

"Treat women kindly, for woman was created from a rib..."— Sahih al-Bukhari 3331

"The woman is like a rib: if you try to straighten her, you will break her..."— Jami` at-Tirmidhi 1188

Notice the key variations: “from a rib” and “like a rib.” These phrases are metaphorical, emphasizing the emotional and psychological differences between men and women—not literal anatomical origins and here is a paper just on these narrations.

Every classical commentary emphasizes:​

• The importance of kind treatment toward women.
• The rib metaphor is about human nature and emotional complexity, not biology.
• There’s no consensus among classical scholars that women were literally created from a man’s rib—those who say so are borrowing from biblical mythology.

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So when challenged by an Islamophobe or missionary:​

1. Ask them to bring you one clear verse from the Qur’an or authentic Hadith stating Eve was literally created from Adam’s rib. Spoiler: they can’t.
2. Point out that no classical Islamic scholar relied on a physical/literal interpretation without external influence.
3. Highlight the wording differences in authentic narrations: “from a rib” vs “like a rib”. This is metaphor, not anatomy.

Call out the misinformation, back it up with sources, and stand your ground.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

you need to buy yourself a couple of brain cells.

You made an assertion that it was first revealed in quran that water is part of a life forms.

That is false assertion and one that is easily disproven, as all liquid in ancient times was water based and all living things ooze out water based fluid when cut open. humans have been cutting open fruits and animals long before quran came by.

Ergo, quran is a filled with knowledge (may be it was new for the ignorant early muslims) known mankind for along time.

Then you brought microscope and asserted that no one knew there was water inside cells until microscope was invented. False again. Water molecule is 10000 times smaller than what an optical microscope can see.

I ask again which microscope are you talking about? can you provide a reference to the "discovery" you are talking about?

@LordJames, @DeadlyVenom we won't let him slip away now....let's see how many brain cells he has..

Now Gabba provide us the source or name of the person who before Holy Quran predicted that every living being comprise or is born out of water. Or even mention any microscope that could examine bacteria or things as small as your brain cells....we all waiting Gabba...

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The first optical microscopes emerged in the late 16th and early 17th centuries through incremental developments:

Early Innovations
The compound microscope (using multiple lenses) is generally credited to Zacharias Janssen and his father Hans around 1590–1595, though claims about its exact origin remain debated. Their design, capable of 3–10x magnification, used a sliding tube with lenses.

Key Milestones

1620s: Cornelis Drebbel demonstrated a compound microscope in London (c. 1621), which Galileo later improved after seeing a similar design in Rome (1624).

1625: The term "microscope" was coined by Giovanni Faber for Galileo's instrument.

1665: Robert Hooke published Micrographia using a two-lens microscope, introducing the term "cell".

Late 1600s: Antonie van Leeuwenhoek achieved 200x magnification with single-lens microscopes, pioneering microbial observation.

While simple magnifying lenses existed earlier (e.g., 13th-century eyeglasses), the compound microscope's invention is tied to the late 1500s, with significant refinements occurring in the 1600s

 

[LordJames]

@LordJames, @DeadlyVenom we won't let him slip away now....let's see how many brain cells he has..

Now Gabba provide us the source or name of the person who before Holy Quran predicted that every living being comprise or is born out of water. Or even mention any microscope that could examine bacteria or things as small as your brain cells....we all waiting Gabba...

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The first optical microscopes emerged in the late 16th and early 17th centuries through incremental developments:

Early Innovations
The compound microscope (using multiple lenses) is generally credited to Zacharias Janssen and his father Hans around 1590–1595, though claims about its exact origin remain debated. Their design, capable of 3–10x magnification, used a sliding tube with lenses.

Key Milestones

1620s: Cornelis Drebbel demonstrated a compound microscope in London (c. 1621), which Galileo later improved after seeing a similar design in Rome (1624).

1625: The term "microscope" was coined by Giovanni Faber for Galileo's instrument.

1665: Robert Hooke published Micrographia using a two-lens microscope, introducing the term "cell".

Late 1600s: Antonie van Leeuwenhoek achieved 200x magnification with single-lens microscopes, pioneering microbial observation.

While simple magnifying lenses existed earlier (e.g., 13th-century eyeglasses), the compound microscope's invention is tied to the late 1500s, with significant refinements occurring in the 1600s

I just admit @rpant_gabba and Microscope is worse then @uppercut quoting "Jay Smith" that Arabic cannot be read without dots and vowels!

These guys just keep on writing and when challenged, they change the topic

Now watch @rpant_gabba drop Microscope discussion just like @uppercut has dropped Arabic OR they will quote something and completely disregard that millions read Arabic without vowels or millions know about Microscope...

Comedy

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I have 4 year truce with gabba Bhai because of fire he has lit under Trumpsters.

 

[rpant_gabba]

@LordJames, @DeadlyVenom we won't let him slip away now....let's see how many brain cells he has..

Now Gabba provide us the source or name of the person who before Holy Quran predicted that every living being comprise or is born out of water.

Do have any clue on what my point was?

Let me repeat: The fact that all living beings have water in them was know long before quran came around.

It is plain common sense: all liquid in ancient times was water based and all living things ooze out water based fluid when cut open.

you don't need an optical microscope for that.

humans have been cutting open fruits and animals long before quran came by.


quran mentioning it is of no great significance. quran writers are guilty of plagiarism.

Or even mention any microscope that could examine bacteria or things as small as your brain cells....we all waiting Gabba...

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The first optical microscopes emerged in the late 16th and early 17th centuries through incremental developments:
<snip>

Not sure what is point of the history of Optical microscope is.

Are u trying to point out that quran is older than optical microscope? not exactly great revelation is it? maybe for you since consider quran a science book.

@DeadlyVenom is this a reflection of atheist's intellect or the Pak education system. For India's sake I hope its the latter

 

[rpant_gabba]

I just admit @rpant_gabba and Microscope is worse then @uppercut quoting "Jay Smith" that Arabic cannot be read without dots and vowels!

These guys just keep on writing and when challenged, they change the topic

Now watch @rpant_gabba drop Microscope discussion just like @uppercut has dropped Arabic OR they will quote something and completely disregard that millions read Arabic without vowels or millions know about Microscope...

Comedy

cute emoji's but nothing of substance or seminal from you from quran.

 

[LordJames]

Do have any clue on what my point was?

Let me repeat: The fact that all living beings have water in them was know long before quran came around.

It is plain common sense: all liquid in ancient times was water based and all living things ooze out water based fluid when cut open.

you don't need an optical microscope for that.

humans have been cutting open fruits and animals long before quran came by.


quran mentioning it is of no great significance. quran writers are guilty of plagiarism.

Not sure what is point of the history of Optical microscope is.

Are u trying to point out that quran is older than optical microscope? not exactly great revelation is it? maybe for you since consider quran a science book.

@DeadlyVenom is this a reflection of birdbrain's intellect or the Pak education system. For India's sake I hope its the latter

@The Bald Eagle stated:


“We created every living thing from water” (21:30)

@rpant_gabba undertsood:

Let me repeat: The fact that all living beings have water in them was know long before quran came around.

As I said, its comedy Gold in reading class

Some others say "I am aware of what you said" and still asks the question

cute emoji's but nothing of substance or seminal from you from quran.

You are right because there is nothing in the Qur'an which says

O You who believe! Avoid discussion with those can't read.

 

[rpant_gabba]

@The Bald Eagle stated:


“We created every living thing from water” (21:30)

@rpant_gabba undertsood:

Here is the post

The questions are simple:
1. Prove that the cosmic world is not expanding. End of Debate
2. Or name living being not made of water.

get it yet?

Let me repeat: The fact that all living beings have water in them was know long before quran came around.

As I said, its comedy Gold in reading class

Some others say "I am aware of what you said" and still asks the question



You are right because there is nothing in the Qur'an which says

O You who believe! Avoid discussion with those can't read.

BTW, have you figured out who is going to establish islamic rule all over india again yet?

 

[LordJames]

That was from the bird brain.

Here is the post

get it yet?

BTW, have you figured out who is going to establish islamic rule all over india again yet?

@The Bald Eagle Statements:

“We created every living thing from water” (21:30)

Or name living being not made of water.

@rpant_gabba Understanding:
Let me repeat: The fact that all living beings have water in them was know long before quran came around.

Easy Summary for others:

1. @The Bald Eagle is talking about all living things created from water
2. @rpant_gabba is arguing that it was well known that all living things contain water.

Guy is still doubling down and insisting...

 

[LordJames]

Another Clarification about Hindutva

Those who don't know anything about Hindutva and how debates proceed, know this:

1. On YouTube and on various forums of discussions, they come asking for "serious discussions" and then it ends up with
2. Its always "Mother this", "Sister this", "Rape this" and "Stick this".."Rip the bellies of your women and rape the Children inside" from Hindutva

We have known that and we know it. Our Job is to continue to engage because Guidance is not in our hands.

Then there are many who accept Islam because they witness this behavior consistently.

 

[ElRaja]

This thread is nuts. Its purpose might have been well grounded, but it's impossible to read, and there are no real heads or tails to it.