The Myths Debunking Thread

[rpant_gabba]

Here is your scientific proof View attachment 153527
The universe is still expanding, and this expansion is accelerating due to the influence of dark energy, a mysterious force counteracting gravity's pull15. Key points:


Current Understanding

• Acceleration confirmed: Observations of distant supernovae in 1998 revealed the expansion rate is increasing, contradicting expectations of gradual slowdown24.
• Measurement: The Hubble constant (expansion rate) is estimated between 67–73 km/s/Mpc, with recent James Webb Telescope data supporting higher values (~73 km/s/Mpc), deepening the mystery of why models and observations conflict6.

Mechanism

• Dark energy (68% of universe content) drives acceleration by creating repulsive pressure as space itself expands15.
• Scale factor: The universe's "grid" stretches over time, increasing distances between galaxies not bound by gravity13.

Future Outlook
Expansion is expected to continue indefinitely, potentially leading to a "cold" universe where galaxies become isolated56. However, the exact nature of dark energy remains unknown, leaving open questions about its long-term effects16

I can copy and paste too

1. Redshift Interpretation:

• Tired Light Theory:
  Some researchers suggest that the redshift observed in distant galaxies might not be due to the expansion of space, but rather the light losing energy as it travels through space, similar to how light tires.
  
  
• Einstein's Initial Belief:
  Initially, Einstein favored a static, unchanging universe and introduced the cosmological constant to his theory to accommodate that view. He later abandoned it after Hubble's observations seemed to indicate expansion.
  

2. Challenges to Expansion:

• Constant Surface Brightness:
  Observations of galaxies show that their surface brightness remains constant with distance, which would be expected in a non-expanding universe.
  
  
• Cosmic Microwave Background:
  The CMB, a key piece of evidence for the Big Bang, is interpreted by some as evidence of a universe that was once much hotter and denser, not necessarily as evidence of expansion.
  
  
• Alternative Theories:
  Some researchers propose mathematical models where the universe is actually static, and the effects we interpret as expansion are due to other phenomena, such as the evolution of particle masses over time.
  

3. Other Considerations:

• The Infinite Universe:
  Some argue that if the universe is infinite, it cannot expand because it is already everywhere.
  
  
• Finite Age vs. Expansion:
  The idea that the universe has a finite age, initially suggested by Hubble's observations, doesn't necessarily imply expansion.
  
  
• Hubble's Original Claim:
  Some argue that Hubble himself didn't claim the universe was expanding until the end of his life, and the claim is often misrepresented, according to one source.

 

[rpant_gabba]

@LordJames lol you were right, he is ducking now. All rambling and no proofs

yeah, you are the one who is running.

your statement

>>2. Or name living being not made of water.<<<

This is known long before quran.

Thus, quran is copied

 

[The Bald Eagle]

yeah, you are the one who is running.

your statement

>>2. Or name living being not made of water.<<<

This is known long before quran.

Thus, quran is copied

Q:How did scientists first discover that the universe's expansion is accelerating?

Scientists first discovered the universe's accelerating expansion in 1998 by observing distant type Ia supernovae—stellar explosions that serve as "standard candles" due to their consistent intrinsic brightness56. Two independent teams, the Supernova Cosmology Project and the High-Z Supernova Search Team, found that these supernovae appeared dimmer and more redshifted than expected, indicating they were farther away than predicted if the universe's expansion was slowing down356. This surprising result showed that the expansion rate was actually increasing, not decreasing as previously thought, leading to the conclusion that a mysterious force—later called dark energy—was driving the acceleration356. The discovery earned the leaders of these teams the Nobel Prize in Physics46.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Lol...no red herring....answer my questions....but but they have been answered before. Where was it first mentioned that cosmic world is ever expanding....reproduce the original source here.

so you are giving up on the water claim?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

so you are giving up on the water claim?

Why don't you ask your science religion to name me one just ONE living being not made from water...end of debate

 

[rpant_gabba]

Why don't you ask your science religion to name me one just ONE living being not made from water...end of debate

Ok, so you admit that quran copies a lot on known stuff and presents it a seminal

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Ok, so you admit that quran copies a lot on known stuff and presents it a seminal

Ok so why your religion or follower scientists wasted their entire life in discovering something that was already there even before Holy Quran...

Won't you call it a stupidity then

 

[The Bald Eagle]

can you be more specific about the discovery?

The Quran states, “We made every living thing from water” (Quran 21:30), highlighting water as the basis of life. Modern biology confirms that all living cells are mostly water, a fact only discovered after the invention of the microscope

 

[rpant_gabba]

Answer the QUESTIONS not red herring please.

Waiting in quene, myself, lord James and green storm. Thanks

do you even know what a red herring is?

here are your statements about quran and water.

>>2. Or name living being not made of water.<<<

humans have known every living thing has water in it centuries before. hell all you need to cut open a living thing and watch all livings things seek water and drink it.

are you implying this is all quran is good for.

no wonder muslim world is as backward as it is.

 

[rpant_gabba]

The Quran states, “We made every living thing from water” (Quran 21:30), highlighting water as the basis of life. Modern biology confirms that all living cells are mostly water, a fact only discovered after the invention of the microscope

LMAO. Guess you failed science class in high school.

That is an absolute nonsense claim

Which microscope are you referring to? Optical? SEM? TEM? AFM? STM?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

LMAO. Guess you failed science class in high school.

That is an absolute nonsense claim

Which microscope are you referring to? Optical? SEM? TEM? AFM? STM?

You need to learn English first, you have serious comprehension issues...and if you don't want to answer other questions (infact you can't ever answer) then instead of dilly dallying just stick to your expertises is chasing others for voting trump

 

[rpant_gabba]

You need to learn English first, you have serious comprehension issues...and if you don't want to answer other questions (infact you can't ever answer) then instead of dilly dallying just stick to your expertises is chasing others for voting trump

you need to buy yourself a couple of brain cells.

You made an assertion that it was first revealed in quran that water is part of a life forms.

That is false assertion and one that is easily disproven, as all liquid in ancient times was water based and all living things ooze out water based fluid when cut open. humans have been cutting open fruits and animals long before quran came by.

Ergo, quran is a filled with knowledge (may be it was new for the ignorant early muslims) known mankind for along time.

Then you brought microscope and asserted that no one knew there was water inside cells until microscope was invented. False again. Water molecule is 10000 times smaller than what an optical microscope can see.

I ask again which microscope are you talking about? can you provide a reference to the "discovery" you are talking about?

 

[LordJames]

Is woman born from Man's rib?
This is a 2-3 century old argument of Atheists (during European period) to Christianity from Genesis 2:21–23 (King James Version) where it states



It is copied/pasted to Islam based on this narration of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)



Everyone who is directly concerned about this argument, please add to it (and provide all evidence for your position) and we can look at this argument in 48 hours after everyone is done adding their objections.

Before you begin to formulate your objections, please note the following differences between Christianity and Islam:

1. The Christian position is "literal and elaborate" and addresses eve only
2. The Islamic position is "not literal" and applies to all women
3. Babies are being born for thousands of years and everybody knows that:
   1. Men and Women have sex
   2. Women get pregnant (via conception)
   3. The pregnancy lasts a period of time
   4. A child is born (boy or girl)

In other words, mankind has known for thousands of years that girls are not "literally" formed from the rib of the father and it is not rocket science so the Islamic narration cannot be literal because it is against the experience and observation of millions of people, Muslims or non-Muslims...girls are born the same way for all human females.

For questions, related to Christianity, refer to a Christian scholar.

How to respond to women created from rib argument?

When confronted with the tired claims of Hindutva nationalists or Christian missionaries, call out their misinformation immediately. The idea that Islam teaches women were literally created from a man's rib is not from the Qur’an or authentic Islamic doctrine. That belief comes straight from the Bible, specifically Genesis 2:21–23 (KJV):

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh...

This literal rib story is biblical, not Islamic. Some later Islamic commentaries—often influenced by earlier Judeo-Christian narratives—imported this idea without solid basis in Qur’anic or authentic Hadith sources.

What Islam Actually Says:​

The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) spoke metaphorically:

"Treat women kindly, for woman was created from a rib..."— Sahih al-Bukhari 3331

"The woman is like a rib: if you try to straighten her, you will break her..."— Jami` at-Tirmidhi 1188

Notice the key variations: “from a rib” and “like a rib.” These phrases are metaphorical, emphasizing the emotional and psychological differences between men and women—not literal anatomical origins and here is a paper just on these narrations.

Every classical commentary emphasizes:​

• The importance of kind treatment toward women.
• The rib metaphor is about human nature and emotional complexity, not biology.
• There’s no consensus among classical scholars that women were literally created from a man’s rib—those who say so are borrowing from biblical mythology.

---

So when challenged by an Islamophobe or missionary:​

1. Ask them to bring you one clear verse from the Qur’an or authentic Hadith stating Eve was literally created from Adam’s rib. Spoiler: they can’t.
2. Point out that no classical Islamic scholar relied on a physical/literal interpretation without external influence.
3. Highlight the wording differences in authentic narrations: “from a rib” vs “like a rib”. This is metaphor, not anatomy.

Call out the misinformation, back it up with sources, and stand your ground.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

you need to buy yourself a couple of brain cells.

You made an assertion that it was first revealed in quran that water is part of a life forms.

That is false assertion and one that is easily disproven, as all liquid in ancient times was water based and all living things ooze out water based fluid when cut open. humans have been cutting open fruits and animals long before quran came by.

Ergo, quran is a filled with knowledge (may be it was new for the ignorant early muslims) known mankind for along time.

Then you brought microscope and asserted that no one knew there was water inside cells until microscope was invented. False again. Water molecule is 10000 times smaller than what an optical microscope can see.

I ask again which microscope are you talking about? can you provide a reference to the "discovery" you are talking about?

@LordJames, @DeadlyVenom we won't let him slip away now....let's see how many brain cells he has..

Now Gabba provide us the source or name of the person who before Holy Quran predicted that every living being comprise or is born out of water. Or even mention any microscope that could examine bacteria or things as small as your brain cells....we all waiting Gabba...

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The first optical microscopes emerged in the late 16th and early 17th centuries through incremental developments:

Early Innovations
The compound microscope (using multiple lenses) is generally credited to Zacharias Janssen and his father Hans around 1590–1595, though claims about its exact origin remain debated. Their design, capable of 3–10x magnification, used a sliding tube with lenses.

Key Milestones

1620s: Cornelis Drebbel demonstrated a compound microscope in London (c. 1621), which Galileo later improved after seeing a similar design in Rome (1624).

1625: The term "microscope" was coined by Giovanni Faber for Galileo's instrument.

1665: Robert Hooke published Micrographia using a two-lens microscope, introducing the term "cell".

Late 1600s: Antonie van Leeuwenhoek achieved 200x magnification with single-lens microscopes, pioneering microbial observation.

While simple magnifying lenses existed earlier (e.g., 13th-century eyeglasses), the compound microscope's invention is tied to the late 1500s, with significant refinements occurring in the 1600s

 

[LordJames]

@LordJames, @DeadlyVenom we won't let him slip away now....let's see how many brain cells he has..

Now Gabba provide us the source or name of the person who before Holy Quran predicted that every living being comprise or is born out of water. Or even mention any microscope that could examine bacteria or things as small as your brain cells....we all waiting Gabba...

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The first optical microscopes emerged in the late 16th and early 17th centuries through incremental developments:

Early Innovations
The compound microscope (using multiple lenses) is generally credited to Zacharias Janssen and his father Hans around 1590–1595, though claims about its exact origin remain debated. Their design, capable of 3–10x magnification, used a sliding tube with lenses.

Key Milestones

1620s: Cornelis Drebbel demonstrated a compound microscope in London (c. 1621), which Galileo later improved after seeing a similar design in Rome (1624).

1625: The term "microscope" was coined by Giovanni Faber for Galileo's instrument.

1665: Robert Hooke published Micrographia using a two-lens microscope, introducing the term "cell".

Late 1600s: Antonie van Leeuwenhoek achieved 200x magnification with single-lens microscopes, pioneering microbial observation.

While simple magnifying lenses existed earlier (e.g., 13th-century eyeglasses), the compound microscope's invention is tied to the late 1500s, with significant refinements occurring in the 1600s

I just admit @rpant_gabba and Microscope is worse then @uppercut quoting "Jay Smith" that Arabic cannot be read without dots and vowels!

These guys just keep on writing and when challenged, they change the topic

Now watch @rpant_gabba drop Microscope discussion just like @uppercut has dropped Arabic OR they will quote something and completely disregard that millions read Arabic without vowels or millions know about Microscope...

Comedy

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I have 4 year truce with gabba Bhai because of fire he has lit under Trumpsters.

 

[rpant_gabba]

@LordJames, @DeadlyVenom we won't let him slip away now....let's see how many brain cells he has..

Now Gabba provide us the source or name of the person who before Holy Quran predicted that every living being comprise or is born out of water.

Do have any clue on what my point was?

Let me repeat: The fact that all living beings have water in them was know long before quran came around.

It is plain common sense: all liquid in ancient times was water based and all living things ooze out water based fluid when cut open.

you don't need an optical microscope for that.

humans have been cutting open fruits and animals long before quran came by.


quran mentioning it is of no great significance. quran writers are guilty of plagiarism.

Or even mention any microscope that could examine bacteria or things as small as your brain cells....we all waiting Gabba...

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The first optical microscopes emerged in the late 16th and early 17th centuries through incremental developments:
<snip>

Not sure what is point of the history of Optical microscope is.

Are u trying to point out that quran is older than optical microscope? not exactly great revelation is it? maybe for you since consider quran a science book.

@DeadlyVenom is this a reflection of atheist's intellect or the Pak education system. For India's sake I hope its the latter

 

[rpant_gabba]

I just admit @rpant_gabba and Microscope is worse then @uppercut quoting "Jay Smith" that Arabic cannot be read without dots and vowels!

These guys just keep on writing and when challenged, they change the topic

Now watch @rpant_gabba drop Microscope discussion just like @uppercut has dropped Arabic OR they will quote something and completely disregard that millions read Arabic without vowels or millions know about Microscope...

Comedy

cute emoji's but nothing of substance or seminal from you from quran.

 

[LordJames]

Do have any clue on what my point was?

Let me repeat: The fact that all living beings have water in them was know long before quran came around.

It is plain common sense: all liquid in ancient times was water based and all living things ooze out water based fluid when cut open.

you don't need an optical microscope for that.

humans have been cutting open fruits and animals long before quran came by.


quran mentioning it is of no great significance. quran writers are guilty of plagiarism.

Not sure what is point of the history of Optical microscope is.

Are u trying to point out that quran is older than optical microscope? not exactly great revelation is it? maybe for you since consider quran a science book.

@DeadlyVenom is this a reflection of birdbrain's intellect or the Pak education system. For India's sake I hope its the latter

@The Bald Eagle stated:


“We created every living thing from water” (21:30)

@rpant_gabba undertsood:

Let me repeat: The fact that all living beings have water in them was know long before quran came around.

As I said, its comedy Gold in reading class

Some others say "I am aware of what you said" and still asks the question

cute emoji's but nothing of substance or seminal from you from quran.

You are right because there is nothing in the Qur'an which says

O You who believe! Avoid discussion with those can't read.

 

[rpant_gabba]

@The Bald Eagle stated:


“We created every living thing from water” (21:30)

@rpant_gabba undertsood:

Here is the post

The questions are simple:
1. Prove that the cosmic world is not expanding. End of Debate
2. Or name living being not made of water.

get it yet?

Let me repeat: The fact that all living beings have water in them was know long before quran came around.

As I said, its comedy Gold in reading class

Some others say "I am aware of what you said" and still asks the question



You are right because there is nothing in the Qur'an which says

O You who believe! Avoid discussion with those can't read.

BTW, have you figured out who is going to establish islamic rule all over india again yet?

 

[LordJames]

That was from the bird brain.

Here is the post

get it yet?

BTW, have you figured out who is going to establish islamic rule all over india again yet?

@The Bald Eagle Statements:

“We created every living thing from water” (21:30)

Or name living being not made of water.

@rpant_gabba Understanding:
Let me repeat: The fact that all living beings have water in them was know long before quran came around.

Easy Summary for others:

1. @The Bald Eagle is talking about all living things created from water
2. @rpant_gabba is arguing that it was well known that all living things contain water.

Guy is still doubling down and insisting...

 

[LordJames]

Another Clarification about Hindutva

Those who don't know anything about Hindutva and how debates proceed, know this:

1. On YouTube and on various forums of discussions, they come asking for "serious discussions" and then it ends up with
2. Its always "Mother this", "Sister this", "Rape this" and "Stick this".."Rip the bellies of your women and rape the Children inside" from Hindutva

We have known that and we know it. Our Job is to continue to engage because Guidance is not in our hands.

Then there are many who accept Islam because they witness this behavior consistently.

 

[ElRaja]

This thread is nuts. Its purpose might have been well grounded, but it's impossible to read, and there are no real heads or tails to it.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Do have any clue on what my point was?

Let me repeat: The fact that all living beings have water in them was know long before quran came around.

It is plain common sense: all liquid in ancient times was water based and all living things ooze out water based fluid when cut open.

you don't need an optical microscope for that.

humans have been cutting open fruits and animals long before quran came by.


quran mentioning it is of no great significance. quran writers are guilty of plagiarism.

Not sure what is point of the history of Optical microscope is.

Are u trying to point out that quran is older than optical microscope? not exactly great revelation is it? maybe for you since consider quran a science book.

@DeadlyVenom is this a reflection of atheist's intellect or the Pak education system. For India's sake I hope its the latter

O how dumb could you be?

Simplifying for you

1. I quoted the expansion of cosmic world verse too, simply name any single source who said that Sun has a separate orbit and the world is expanding

And if Quran is a copy paste stuff, then Mr atheist find one flaw in it's claims. Go ahead

 

[LordJames]

Islamic rules of war

Narrated `Abdullah: During some of the Ghazawat of the Prophet (ﷺ) a woman was found killed. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) disapproved the killing of women and children. [Bukhari:223]​

1. Even if Aurangzeb (or any other Mughuls) killed noncombatant civilians (Hindu or any other religion)​
2. Even if India stops water downstream and kills noncombatant civilians (women and children)​
3. Even if Terrorists or legitimate freedom fighters in Kashmir (Indian side of Pakistani) target and kill noncombatant civilians​
4. Even if India nukes Pakistan and millions perish in first strike or retaliatory strike​
5. Even if Pakistan retaliates and nukes India and millions perish in first strike or retaliatory strike​

The rules of Islam in warfare are clear cut and killing of innocent civilians (women, children, elderly, religious folks) is condemned and impermissible in Islam.

Cheer-leading and supporting such barbarity is impermissible in Islam, no matter if the victim is a Palestinian or a Hindu child.​

 

[OldWarHorse]

Do have any clue on what my point was?

Let me repeat: The fact that all living beings have water in them was know long before quran came around.

It is plain common sense: all liquid in ancient times was water based and all living things ooze out water based fluid when cut open.

you don't need an optical microscope for that.

humans have been cutting open fruits and animals long before quran came by.


quran mentioning it is of no great significance. quran writers are guilty of plagiarism.

Not sure what is point of the history of Optical microscope is.

Are u trying to point out that quran is older than optical microscope? not exactly great revelation is it? maybe for you since consider quran a science book.

@DeadlyVenom is this a reflection of atheist's intellect or the Pak education system. For India's sake I hope its the latter

Yeah to compare timelines of philosophical claims with scientific evidence is just bizarre

 

[LordJames]

Why does Islam force non-Muslims to pay Jizyah?

In an Islamic system of Government the maintenance and safety of all religious places (Synagogues, Churches, Temples, Mosques) is Government responsibility

[22:40] [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allāh." And were it not that Allāh checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allāh is much mentioned [i.e., praised]. And Allāh will surely support those who support Him [i.e., His cause]. Indeed, Allāh is Powerful and Exalted in Might.​

When it comes to "individual broad based" taxes then there are two kinds:

1. Zakat: 3rd Pillar of Islam, mandatory on Muslims according to Qur'aan, not applicable to non-Muslims.
2. Jizyah: Safety, security of life, honor, property and places of worship of non-Muslims, not applicable to Muslims.

In other words:

• Why should Hindus pay to repair and maintain Mosques and Islamic things?
• Why should Muslims pay to repair and maintain Temples and Hindu things?

When it comes to specific taxation then there are no differences and both Muslim and non-Muslims equally pay the same amount at the same threshold

Usher: Taxation on agriculture, livestock etc and it equally applies to Muslims and non-Muslim citizens equally and with the same standard.​

Business License, Fees & Duties: Equally applies to Muslims and non-Muslim citizens and with the same standard.​

​

In case of natural disasters, flooding, famine etc both Muslims and non-Muslims pay any extra taxes.

In case of war where the Islamic system of Government is unable to guarantee the Safety, security of life, honor, property and places of worship of non-Muslims, Jizyah is exempted and money returned in many cases

Zakat for Muslims is never ever exempted, no mater what!

 

[LordJames]

Islam will grow whether you like it or not. Islam is the only TRUTH. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the west, in UK in USA. and it has been since even more so 9/11. People in the west got more curious about Islam and started getting into it more and saw the beauty and pureness of the religion than what propaganda the zionist western media was propagated.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, Pew study says​

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/10/nx-s1-5429168/islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion-in-the-world-pew-study-says?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Muslims are the fastest-growing faith group, followed by the religiously unaffiliated, according to a new Pew Research Center study measuring the evolution of the global religious population between 2010 and 2020.

 

[uppercut]

Why does Islam force non-Muslims to pay Jizyah?

In an Islamic system of Government the maintenance and safety of all religious places (Synagogues, Churches, Temples, Mosques) is Government responsibility

[22:40] [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allāh." And were it not that Allāh checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allāh is much mentioned [i.e., praised]. And Allāh will surely support those who support Him [i.e., His cause]. Indeed, Allāh is Powerful and Exalted in Might.​

When it comes to "individual broad based" taxes then there are two kinds:

1. Zakat: 3rd Pillar of Islam, mandatory on Muslims according to Qur'aan, not applicable to non-Muslims.
2. Jizyah: Safety, security of life, honor, property and places of worship of non-Muslims, not applicable to Muslims.

In other words:

• Why should Hindus pay to repair and maintain Mosques and Islamic things?
• Why should Muslims pay to repair and maintain Temples and Hindu things?

When it comes to specific taxation then there are no differences and both Muslim and non-Muslims equally pay the same amount at the same threshold

Usher: Taxation on agriculture, livestock etc and it equally applies to Muslims and non-Muslim citizens equally and with the same standard.​

Business License, Fees & Duties: Equally applies to Muslims and non-Muslim citizens and with the same standard.​

​

In case of natural disasters, flooding, famine etc both Muslims and non-Muslims pay any extra taxes.

In case of war where the Islamic system of Government is unable to guarantee the Safety, security of life, honor, property and places of worship of non-Muslims, Jizyah is exempted and money returned in many cases

Zakat for Muslims is never ever exempted, no mater what!

@DeadlyVenom
@HalBass9
@KB
@Markhor


any thoughts on this post considering that we are in 2025 ?


@Romali_rotti
@Hitman
@Rajdeep
@Devadwal
@rpant_gabba
@Vikram1989
@deltexas
@Champ_Pal

 

[sweep_shot]

This thread is nuts. Its purpose might have been well grounded, but it's impossible to read, and there are no real heads or tails to it.

Discussion with sanghis generally go nowhere. They either give haha emojis or derail the thread. They are not interested in respectful and meaningful discussions.

 

[sweep_shot]

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, Pew study says​

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/10/nx-s1-5429168/islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion-in-the-world-pew-study-says?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Muslims are the fastest-growing faith group, followed by the religiously unaffiliated, according to a new Pew Research Center study measuring the evolution of the global religious population between 2010 and 2020.

Alhamdulillah.

Not surprised at all. People recognize the truth and embrace it. It is the natural tendency to accept truth and abandon falsehood.

Islamophobes try hard to extinguish Islam but Islam keeps on growing.

Reminds me of this verse from Al-Quran:

"They want to extinguish the light of Allāh with their mouths, but Allāh will perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it." (Surah As-saf: verse 8)

 

[DeadlyVenom]

@DeadlyVenom
@HalBass9
@KB
@Markhor


any thoughts on this post considering that we are in 2025 ?


@Romali_rotti
@Hitman
@Rajdeep
@Devadwal
@rpant_gabba
@Vikram1989
@deltexas
@Champ_Pal

I don't think jizyah applies in modern nation states that have process for citizenship.

 

[uppercut]

Not surprised at all. People recognize the truth and embrace it. It is the natural tendency to accept truth and abandon falsehood.

Please go ahead and enlighten us using only science, logic, or basic common sense on why your beliefs are the absolute truth and everything else is fake.

Just to be clear .. I am not claiming that my religion or any other is better or worse than yours. Nor does this imply that your religion is the absolute truth just because you believe it to be.and I am pretty darn sure that you will resort to insults, jibes when you get cornered.

 

[Vikram1989]

@DeadlyVenom
@HalBass9
@KB
@Markhor


any thoughts on this post considering that we are in 2025 ?

U can see the definition itself for the preechment of contempt.



Jizyah: Safety, security of life, honor, property and places of worship of non-Muslims, not applicable to Muslims.

Safety=> not harassment. Security of life =>Not killing .honor =>not raping ur family and humiliate u. Places of worship =>Not to destruct them .all in the name of religion of peace. As per his highness Aurangzeb rule, Zakat. Tax on Muslims stayed at 2.5 where Jijyah varied from 10 to 80 depending on the necessity to convert.Capital punishment and selling the family women's as slaves for non payments.so max poor people converted to avoid taxes.

Few people are still thinking they are in 700 a.d .we can't do much .

 

[Vikram1989]

Imagine if the entire population of the world were like the converts of the sub continent, we would achieve just about nothing while while wasting lifetimes away by day dreaming over a heaven made by an Arab god that no one has seen or has any evidence of...

Only people who thinks about the majority but not quality of life

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This thread is nuts. Its purpose might have been well grounded, but it's impossible to read, and there are no real heads or tails to it.

I have never really paid much attention to it, but since it's popped up again I had a quick glance over last few posts. Not really shocked to see it is hindutvas posting critical stuff on Islam as per usual.

Not that I have any objection, they are free to do so. But it does show they come here with an agenda generally.

 

[LordJames]

@DeadlyVenom
@HalBass9
@KB
@Markhor


any thoughts on this post considering that we are in 2025 ?


@Romali_rotti
@Hitman
@Rajdeep
@Devadwal
@rpant_gabba
@Vikram1989
@deltexas
@Champ_Pal

We could be in 4035 and it won't matter, whenever an entity is established which will be run by Islamic principles the same rules will apply.

Please go ahead and enlighten us using only science, logic, or basic common sense on why your beliefs are the absolute truth and everything else is fake.

Just to be clear .. I am not claiming that my religion or any other is better or worse than yours. Nor does this imply that your religion is the absolute truth just because you believe it to be.and I am pretty darn sure that you will resort to insults, jibes when you get cornered.

Already done.

1. Muslims: Pay Zakat because it is an Islamic obligation and it does not apply to non-Muslims
2. Non-Muslims: Pay Jizyah because it is a Tax to maintain their safety and security Services provided to them (upkeep of their religious places, administration of their religious services etc)

End result is that Hindu never pay for Mosques (Jizyah is ring fenced) and it is refunded if the state if unable to protect minorities and their places but Muslims pay for:

1. Social Programs and community Services (for all citizens)
2. Building and maintenance of Mosque and Islamic places
3. State deficit and Debt relief
4. Temples, Churches and Synagogues if there is shortfall in state funds.

And Muslims don't get a refund, ever.

Now keep on yapping...

 

[Justcrazy]

Discussion with sanghis generally go nowhere. They either give haha emojis or derail the thread. They are not interested in respectful and meaningful discussions.

What else do you expect of them ? They will keep asking you same 15 - 20 questions again , and again , and fool us and waste our time.

But they themselves do not have even the basic fundamentals of there cult preserved . Even the most fundamental question about there cult they cannot answer.

Who wrote Vedas or when , they have no idea?

Every puran contradicts others . There are multiple Ramayan and geeta available. So it's kind of a laugh , every Hindu is free to do whatever they want to do. They speak a lot on Dharma , what is its source?

Even the word " hindu " is given by arabs !!!

When you talk about their scriptures , they will say it has been changed ! If that is the case then what are you following ?

And these people come out and speak against Islam !!! people who have nothing in there bag , is laughing at Islam !

 

[Justcrazy]

Only people who thinks about the majority but not quality of life

Heaven and Hell are part of your brahmanism as well brother. Swarg with apsaras !

 

[Vikram1989]

Heaven and Hell are part of your brahmanism as well brother. Swarg with apsaras !

every religion have heaven and hell.But no one is killing for apsaras

 

[Justcrazy]

every religion have heaven and hell.But no one is killing for apsaras

Having the concept of after life with reward and punishment is a different topic , killing someone for that is a different topic.
If someone shouts Jai shree Ram and lynches someone , it is NOT fault of Ram , same way is true for a Muslim who takes name of Islam and kills.

In Islam killing of innocent person is not allowed in any way.

 

[uppercut]

What else do you expect of them ? They will keep asking you same 15 - 20 questions again , and again , and fool us and waste our time.

I cannot speak for others but I have never been disrespectful to you or others in the past while discussing these serious topics on religion. What usually happens is that most Muslims cannot handle the bare facts and start hurling insults/jibes/name-calling/derogatory labelling etc and then I deal with them properly. Most Muslims simply do not have the discipline and patience to indulge in a serious debate here on PP. Here is a Good example where @LordJames got upset and started hurling insults and juvenile memes: https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...het-isa-jesus-peace-be-upon-him.317497/page-4

Also right here on this very thread he is doing the same with @rpant_gabba

Here is the last time you had a discussion with me ... let me know if you want to continue that ( Pretty sure you will most likely get upset when you get stuck ): https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...-a-dalit-claiming-the-same-post.316007/page-2

But they themselves do not have even the basic fundamentals of there cult preserved . Even the most fundamental question about there cult they cannot answer.

Who wrote Vedas or when , they have no idea?

Every puran contradicts others . There are multiple Ramayan and geeta available. So it's kind of a laugh , every Hindu is free to do whatever they want to do. They speak a lot on Dharma , what is its source?

Even the word " hindu " is given by arabs !!!

When you talk about their scriptures , they will say it has been changed ! If that is the case then what are you following ?

And these people come out and speak against Islam !!! people who have nothing in there bag , is laughing at Islam !

This is because you are trying to look at Hinduism as a religion from the prism of your religion which is cut and dry ( binary ) so when you see other beliefs that dont confirm to that rigid formula you think they are not true religions at all.

 

[LordJames]

I cannot speak for others but I have never been disrespectful to you or others in the past while discussing these serious topics on religion. What usually happens is that most Muslims cannot handle the bare facts and start hurling insults/jibes/name-calling/derogatory labelling etc and then I deal with them properly. Most Muslims simply do not have the discipline and patience to indulge in a serious debate here on PP. Here is a Good example where @LordJames got upset and started hurling insults and juvenile memes: https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...het-isa-jesus-peace-be-upon-him.317497/page-4

Also right here on this very thread he is doing the same with @rpant_gabba

Here is the last time you had a discussion with me ... let me know if you want to continue that ( Pretty sure you will most likely get upset when you get stuck ): https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...-a-dalit-claiming-the-same-post.316007/page-2




This is because you are trying to look at Hinduism as a religion from the prism of your religion which is cut and dry ( binary ) so when you see other beliefs that dont confirm to that rigid formula you think they are not true religions at all.

Back to your low-effort rambling—still nothing of value to offer, as usual

Can’t expect anything better from a brain-de*d, intellectually bankrupt, and irredeemably dense Hindutva type like @uppercut —ranting is the only thing you're ever consistent at.

 

[uppercut]

Back to your low-effort rambling—still nothing of value to offer, as usual

Can’t expect anything better from a brain-de*d, intellectually bankrupt, and irredeemably dense Hindutva type like @uppercut —ranting is the only thing you're ever consistent at.

@Justcrazy

here you go live example of LordJames predictably getting bent out of shape

 

[LordJames]

@Justcrazy

here you go live example of LordJames predictably getting bent out of shape

@Justcrazy

That username 'justcrazy' is cool—but frankly, it suits someone like @uppercut even better. In his case, dropping the 'just' would make it brutally accurate. His ramblings are a masterclass in futility—over a dozen attempts to extract a coherent thought from him, yet this irredeemably dense Hindutva type does nothing but spew incoherent ramblings

 

[uppercut]

@Justcrazy

That username 'justcrazy' is cool—but frankly, it suits someone like @uppercut even better. In his case, dropping the 'just' would make it brutally accurate. His ramblings are a masterclass in futility—over a dozen attempts to extract a coherent thought from him, yet this irredeemably dense Hindutva type does nothing but spew incoherent ramblings

That thread you quoted has my pointed responses on the core topic right on that page. You however lost your cool because you do not simply have the guts, patience, maturity, discipline and integrity to answer pointed questions without getting bent out of shape and the loser that you inherently are you will resort to insults/jibes/attacks to mask your inability to defend your position thru just facts.

You want to try again ? I will guarantee you that you will start hurling insults in no time simply because you cannot accept hard facts.​

 

[uppercut]

@Justcrazy

That username 'justcrazy' is cool—but frankly, it suits someone like @uppercut even better. In his case, dropping the 'just' would make it brutally accurate. His ramblings are a masterclass in futility—over a dozen attempts to extract a coherent thought from him, yet this irredeemably dense Hindutva type does nothing but spew incoherent ramblings

just to add to my previous response... pls see posts #283 , #285, #293 and then your juvenile response in #295 on that thread you quoted:

https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/threads/the-conversation-between-allah-swt-and-prophet-isa-jesus-peace-be-upon-him

Bottom line: you just simply don't have the discipline and integrity to partake in a truly serious and mature discussion. You will invariably resort to shouting, hurling insults and putdowns and juvenile memes and smileys to save face.

 

[Justcrazy]

I cannot speak for others but I have never been disrespectful to you or others in the past while discussing these serious topics on religion. What usually happens is that most Muslims cannot handle the bare facts and start hurling insults/jibes/name-calling/derogatory labelling etc and then I deal with them properly. Most Muslims simply do not have the discipline and patience to indulge in a serious debate here on PP. Here is a Good example where @LordJames got upset and started hurling insults and juvenile memes: https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...het-isa-jesus-peace-be-upon-him.317497/page-4

Also right here on this very thread he is doing the same with @rpant_gabba

Here is the last time you had a discussion with me ... let me know if you want to continue that ( Pretty sure you will most likely get upset when you get stuck ): https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...-a-dalit-claiming-the-same-post.316007/page-2




This is because you are trying to look at Hinduism as a religion from the prism of your religion which is cut and dry ( binary ) so when you see other beliefs that dont confirm to that rigid formula you think they are not true religions at all.

I did not respond to you , I was talking to someone else. Yes so far I do not remember you insulting me . My statement was not at you as an individual and this you also know.

Yes , there are Muslims as well as Hindus who cannot have proper discussions and get emotional and abuse . Here it does not happen , because of moderation , same is not in other social media.

I cannot speak about others here , but as far as the link you sent me , If I am not mistaken I did respond to your last post. After that if you do not , I am not a person who will poke others . My job has never been to force someone to accept my stance , my job is to present facts , for others to read and decide for themselves.

I am willing to see your religion through your prism , kindly provide that. There cannot be individual prisms for everyone to speak about religion on their whim.

So , can you just tell me what wrong I said in my previous comment, so that you can correct me ?

 

[Justcrazy]

@uppercut I see the other thread , you have a list of questions. But why you do not want to answer anything regarding sanatan ?

Muslims have always answered whenever a question is asked. You may disagree with that , but answer has come from authentic sources.

So to be fair , others have the right to question you. And you or other sanatanis should respond to that.

 

[LordJames]

@uppercut I see the other thread , you have a list of questions. But why you do not want to answer anything regarding sanatan ?

Muslims have always answered whenever a question is asked. You may disagree with that , but answer has come from authentic sources.

So to be fair , others have the right to question you. And you or other sanatanis should respond to that.

The loud and aggressive Hindutva posturing can’t conceal the ongoing erosion of genuine religious belief within the Hindu community. From years of observation, it’s clear that many who vocally attack Islam from the Hindutva camp aren’t devout Hindus—they’re just riding the wave of political and ideological zeal, not grounded in actual faith. And when their challenges to Islam are thoroughly dismantled, they rarely hold their ground or engage in serious discussion about Hinduism—instead, they quickly retreat behind claims of atheism.

When it comes to Hinduism, it's less a structured religion and more a loosely defined set of philosophical ideas—many of which are inaccessible to the average follower. Most Hindus don’t understand Sanskrit and therefore can't directly engage with their own scriptures. As more begin to uncover the logical inconsistencies and mythological contradictions within these texts, many quietly distance themselves—some becoming outright atheists, others retaining the label “Hindu” in name only while rejecting its core beliefs in practice.

As more Hindus gain direct access to the core texts and teachings of Hinduism, their sense of distance or disillusionment with it only seems to grow.

@uppercut, @Farhan The Man —and anyone else, for that matter—is more than welcome to raise any questions, objections, or challenges to Islam. All we ask is that they stand their ground and defend their positions honestly. Don’t dodge by jumping to a new argument without first addressing the flaws already exposed in their previous claims.

Don’t lie, don’t cheat, and don’t resort to dishonesty or treachery. When it comes to issues some perceive as flaws in Islam—like polygyny, Jihad, or Jizyah—don’t form opportunistic alliances with Jews, Christians, or others against Muslims. We don’t see these as faults, so there’s nothing to “defend.” These are authentic teachings of Islam, and we’ll gladly explain them using reliable sources—and own them with pride.

We’d be genuinely glad to see anyone on this forum engage critically with Islam—just quote authentic sources and make your case.

One more request...

Since @Farhan The Man claims to have spent "11 years in a Madrasah," it's only fair to expect a deeper level of discourse from him, given his supposed knowledge of Arabic and Islamic literature. Since Hindutva like @uppercut @Farhan The Man are in the same camp they have an "Madrasah expert" who can assist with their objections.

 

[Technics 1210]

Only myth that has been debunked in the last decade is India along with Hindutva.

Eveything about India has been debunked. From the literacy levels, to sanitation levels, to poverty levels, to India’s pilots, economy, all rigged. So much so, that ‘Incredible’ India - the myth, the hype - has proven to be an utter lie. Millions of Indians desperate to flee, most of them finding solace at the first stop, Pakistan online, and if that is not enough, in Middle East Islam.

Even Hindutva is a lie, its cult members don’t believe the Swatsika myth - a 5000 year con.