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The many myths debunked so far in this ICC T20 World Cup

Bruh it seems like you get paid to never appreciate Pakistan lol. If Pakistan was in India's position you'd be out for their heads.

If Pakistan would have achieved what India has achieved over the past 10-15 years, I would be a very proud fan and would cut them slack during these low moments.

However, unlike India, Pakistan is mediocre 90% of the time so I don’t get too excited with a brief period of success because I know that it is temporary. The only permanency in Pakistan cricket is our never-ending mediocrity.

I have seen enough to fall for these false hopes and false dawns. Same Pakistan team will be lagging behind India in all formats in years to come.
 
Tactical mistakes, and a thorough lack of planning. With the number of options they have, they have failed horribly. No all-rounders, unfit players, and generally a poor mindset and approach has derailed India from what seemed like certain qualification.

Other teams that don't have the luxury of options have outclassed and outperformed India in this world cup, including Pakistan because this is one of the first times in the last decade that I've seen the team get together and actually use their brains to keep their senses about on the field. The match awareness used to be very poor, it has actually become quite commendable this T20 World Cup.

Whilst I don't disagree with the statement that India is still a better team, I do think that the measure of a team's success goes by what they play like when the game really matters, in a World event. Sure you can go around scoring hundreds and winning bilateral series, but that is meaningless if they are unable to perform similarly in an event that demands the most attention.

I do find their mindset has regressed, especially this blame to bubble fatigue. I personally find it laughable that they think of it as an excuse; everyone had the choice whether or not to take a break before the T20WC. It's quite stupid to talk about fatigue during the T20WC, showing that they did not even prioritize this event.

Kohli has looked like a tired captain to me. I feel he is burdened by his failure to lift a trophy for India in white ball cricket.

I also don’t see the point of him playing on as a player in T20Is after giving up captaincy. He is almost 34, he seems past his prime and it is time for him to focus on Test and ODIs until his retirement in 3-4 years.

India have a very proud batting legacy and they seem to give too much importance to orthodoxy especially in the T20 format. They need to follow England’s template and adopt a more adventurous approach.

I would open with Pant and Kishan and give them the license to bash the bowlers from ball one. Take the fear of failure out of them. Drill the mentality and confidence that the likes of Roy, Buttler, Bairstow etc. have.

Rohit should bat at 4 as an anchor who can accelerate later on with Rahul batting at 3 and follow the same template as the the openers.

Rohit should be the only anchor in the team moving forward. Get all the ball strikers and aggressive players like Samson in the side.

In the bowling department, the likes of Shami and Bhuvi need to make way for some fresh legs. Also, Chahal should be a must-pick.
 
It is true conditions and batting second have played a big part in our success so far In Australia or other places on bouncier faster wickets and high scoring games we would struggle with this team to win consistently.

But India have underperformed in a big way and a transitional period could well be upcoming for their team if Pakistan can find a few decent middle order batsmen the gap can be closed.
 
Another myth: Shubman Gill is already better than all other Asian batsmen besides Indians.

Such a shame, considering Indian batsmen at the moment do not look better than half the Pakistan team and certain players in the Sri Lanka side.
 
Somebody please take that shovel away from Mamoon. The chap is already neck deep in the hole he's dug :bobs
 
Kohli has looked like a tired captain to me. I feel he is burdened by his failure to lift a trophy for India in white ball cricket.

I also don’t see the point of him playing on as a player in T20Is after giving up captaincy. He is almost 34, he seems past his prime and it is time for him to focus on Test and ODIs until his retirement in 3-4 years.

India have a very proud batting legacy and they seem to give too much importance to orthodoxy especially in the T20 format. They need to follow England’s template and adopt a more adventurous approach.

I would open with Pant and Kishan and give them the license to bash the bowlers from ball one. Take the fear of failure out of them. Drill the mentality and confidence that the likes of Roy, Buttler, Bairstow etc. have.

Rohit should bat at 4 as an anchor who can accelerate later on with Rahul batting at 3 and follow the same template as the the openers.

Rohit should be the only anchor in the team moving forward. Get all the ball strikers and aggressive players like Samson in the side.

In the bowling department, the likes of Shami and Bhuvi need to make way for some fresh legs. Also, Chahal should be a must-pick.

Kohli seems like he knew this team wouldn't make the semi-finals. He perhaps knew that there were names on the team that did not merit selection, and some questionable decisions as well.

A captain who has been exposed by one of his most seasoned players, Ravichandran Ashwin, for being unbearable in the dressing room.

A captain who has failed to win a single trophy for his country much less the franchise he has captained for so long.

I think Kohli has decided to move on from captaincy, I personally think that he is exhausted mentally. He's had a horrid 2 years based on batting form, has failed to do anything with RCB at the same time and has seen some of his most consistent players go out of form.

If you asked me a few years ago when Kohli would retire, I'd have said at the age of 39-ish given the performances he's putting up.

I get a feeling that he's not enjoying his cricket, and may retire sooner than we actually think. Either that or after this WC, he will take a very long break from cricket in my opinion.

Pant doesn't have the game for the moving ball in my opinion, and he isn't a sensible cricketer to trust in giving the team good starts. I think Pant at #3 would be better, allowing him to seize the opportunity to get settled and then dispose of bowling attacks later on.

Shami is an over-rated T20 bowler in my mind, and Bhuvneshwar has regressed to virtually a spinner who can get some swing. Chahal's form should have been capitalized on.

The biggest disappointment for Indian fans will be that with the luxury of successful, performing options, the selectors made very poor decisions. It has been a shambolic campaign.
 
Haha I was teasing, but I'm pretty sure genius Mamoon has often used these same excuses/myths.



Tbf to the side, I do not think Kohli and co have used the IPL and bubble as an exhaustion, only our fans have and it is a ridiculous excuse. What about all the kiwis, brits and aussies playing in the IPL? I guess they are immune to the bubbles? Utter nonsense!

Bumrah was asked after the game, and he talked about bio-bubbles.

Personally, I don't think the Indian players can complain about the bio-bubbles because none took notice of the T20WC, and were mentally unprepared and physically drained.

Sunil Gavaskar's recent statements that the IPL is bigger than the T20WC is an excuse to the poor outings of India in this WC, because good teams aren't made from domestic tournaments. You win world cups to get recognized as the best teams.
 
Bumrah was asked after the game, and he talked about bio-bubbles.

Personally, I don't think the Indian players can complain about the bio-bubbles because none took notice of the T20WC, and were mentally unprepared and physically drained.

Sunil Gavaskar's recent statements that the IPL is bigger than the T20WC is an excuse to the poor outings of India in this WC, because good teams aren't made from domestic tournaments. You win world cups to get recognized as the best teams.

Poor excuse.
 
So India lost to poor tactics; someone explain to me when you have some of the best batsmen in LoI, batting first, what poor tactics resulted in 110 runs vs NZ? Or 150 odd vs Pakistan who according to some Indian fans have no talent?

LOL
 
So India lost to poor tactics; someone explain to me when you have some of the best batsmen in LoI, batting first, what poor tactics resulted in 110 runs vs NZ? Or 150 odd vs Pakistan who according to some Indian fans have no talent?

LOL

Tactics are part of the game and whichever tactics they decided to deploy they were clearly not good enough to execute them.

Now suddenly the T20 World Cup is below the Indians radar even though they're the host..

The excuses they're coming out eith shows such bad sportsmanship
 
What? Pakistan has been terrible for the past 20 years? What silliness.
In the past 20 years, Pakistan has:
1. Played in the championship of the T20I twice and won once.
2. Beaten the World #1 in a Test series.
3. Beat SA in LOI series in SA.
4. Won the 2014 Asia Cup.
5. Drawn multiple series in England.
6. Gone to a World Cup Semifinal.
7. Achieved #1 in Test cricket.
8. Won a Champions Trophy.
9. Beaten India in a World T20I game.
10. Won a Test series in West Indies.

I am excited to see what's next! The future of Pakistan cricket is bright!
It's far past time to recognize this team for what it is-an enormously resilient team that despite no home cricket for essentially 7-8 years and just 1 road LOI series against India has continued to overachieve despite limited resources. I can only imagine what would have happened if we had been playing PSL at home the whole time!
 
If Pakistan would have achieved what India has achieved over the past 10-15 years, I would be a very proud fan and would cut them slack during these low moments.

However, unlike India, Pakistan is mediocre 90% of the time so I don’t get too excited with a brief period of success because I know that it is temporary. The only permanency in Pakistan cricket is our never-ending mediocrity.

I have seen enough to fall for these false hopes and false dawns. Same Pakistan team will be lagging behind India in all formats in years to come.

Why not celebrate the 10-15% of success though? Nothing lasts forever. You will soon see how your beloved Indian team will go downhill. Australia did, WI did, and so will India.

Its all a cycle. Life is a cycle made of finite things.
 
Another myth

Mickey Arthur is one of the best coaches in the world.

Making Hasaranga bat at 7 and persisting with Chameera and Kumara at death has been costing them. Not playing Dananjaya as well when 3 spinners could easily be a strategy that would work in their favor.
He acted so shocked (as if it was the first instance) when Jayawardene told him that the data says Avishka's SR improves to 160 after he has faced 15 deliveries.
 
Another myth: Shubman Gill is already better than all other Asian batsmen besides Indians.

Such a shame, considering Indian batsmen at the moment do not look better than half the Pakistan team and certain players in the Sri Lanka side.

Not just Gill Shaw Pant and others all ATGs in future and better than all Pakistan batsmen in history.
 
We were told that changing the coaches/management won't make any difference because at the end of the day Pakistan is a mediocre side with players that have zero talent.

We can already see the that removing Misbah & Waqar and bringing in some decent personnel has already uplifted performance and brought a far more positive vibe to the team environment.

That's a good point. Waqar was full of excuses and almost defeated already before any series. I never got the impression he really believed his team/players were good enough. That must have rubbed off on players- your mentor clearly doesn't think you're up to it.

A lot of cricket at the top level is about belief. S Waugh turned TTF's (at the time) like Langer, Hayden, Moody etc into vital cogs in a winning team, by backing them & building their belief.
 
Actually, this ain't a myth. Gill should've been picked for this WT20.

Hill isn’t better than Babar.

Babar is the best batsman in Asia. He is better than Rahul, Kohli and Rohit wether Mamoon or any other Indian fan admits it or not. That’s the first massive hurdle for him.
 
Hill isn’t better than Babar.

Babar is the best batsman in Asia. He is better than Rahul, Kohli and Rohit wether Mamoon or any other Indian fan admits it or not. That’s the first massive hurdle for him.

If the best batsman in Asia averages 42 in Test cricket with only 1 century outside Asia, the other top batsmen in Asia must be hockey players.
 
^ Pakistani fans are delusional and are getting carried away as usual. Nothing new.
 
If the best batsman in Asia averages 42 in Test cricket with only 1 century outside Asia, the other top batsmen in Asia must be hockey players.

Any word about Hideman?
The guy that hides when he sees a left armer ?
 
Any word about Hideman?
The guy that hides when he sees a left armer ?

He has scored around 3 hundreds against Pakistan in the last three ODIs that he has played and it was against Amir and Shaheen.

He is one of the greatest LOI players of all time and I don’t think he will lose his sleep over getting out to Shaheen once.

Also I don’t think it was his decision to demote himself to number 3. It was probably Kohli’s and it was not a good one. You have to back big players like Rohit to bounce back.
 
He has scored around 3 hundreds against Pakistan in the last three ODIs that he has played and it was against Amir and Shaheen.

He is one of the greatest LOI players of all time and I don’t think he will lose his sleep over getting out to Shaheen once.

Also I don’t think it was his decision to demote himself to number 3. It was probably Kohli’s and it was not a good one. You have to back big players like Rohit to bounce back.

Haha! Even by hiding he was nearly out first ball by Boult.
No performance to show in 7 T20 world cups, so he surely isn't a top T20 player.
 
Hill isn’t better than Babar.

Babar is the best batsman in Asia. He is better than Rahul, Kohli and Rohit wether Mamoon or any other Indian fan admits it or not. That’s the first massive hurdle for him.


Gill > Babar

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Bumrah was asked after the game, and he talked about bio-bubbles.

Personally, I don't think the Indian players can complain about the bio-bubbles because none took notice of the T20WC, and were mentally unprepared and physically drained.

Sunil Gavaskar's recent statements that the IPL is bigger than the T20WC is an excuse to the poor outings of India in this WC, because good teams aren't made from domestic tournaments. You win world cups to get recognized as the best teams.

I did not know Bumrah had made an excuse like that. It's a poor excuse. I ask again, what about the kiwis, the English, the Aussies etc who were all playing in the IPL?
 
Team quality doesn't matter between top 8 team ,just win the toss ,its enough for a win .
 
If the best batsman in Asia averages 42 in Test cricket with only 1 century outside Asia, the other top batsmen in Asia must be hockey players.

Oh Hi! glad to have you back genius! Can you let us all know which Asian batsman averaged more in the last WTC?

Thanks again :)
 
Pak players being banned from IPL since 2010.

India played 6 T20 matches against Pakistan since and won 4 off them. There is no mystery product mate...just a lucky toss win for Pak and getting an opportunity to bat under dew. You saw what England did to Australia yesterday under Dew right? Or what India did to Pakistan in Asia Cup 2018 when we batted under dew on this same ground?

Calling a 10 wicket trouncing a "lucky toss win" makes people doubt your credibility and analytical skills.
 
Oh Hi! glad to have you back genius! Can you let us all know which Asian batsman averaged more in the last WTC?

Thanks again :)

Still objectively speaking Babar is not the best Asian bat. He may be the best t20 anchor. Best Asian batsman would have to be Rohit. Rankings would be:

Rohit
Kohli
Babar
Rahul
 
Still objectively speaking Babar is not the best Asian bat. He may be the best t20 anchor. Best Asian batsman would have to be Rohit. Rankings would be:

Rohit
Kohli
Babar
Rahul

Just wondering if you are mamoon? And did you answer my question?
 
Myth: Bangladesh are the second best white ball side in Asia


They are not even the second best Asian side in Asia lol
 
Absolute nonsense.

No myths have been debunked. India is still a far better team than Pakistan while Pakistan remains a mediocre team.

2-3 games don’t change anything. India have made tactical mistakes. Nothing more, nothing less.

The problem with our fans is that they get carried away and lose perception of reality. Their heads are in the clouds again but there is nothing to worry - they will get a reality check soon.

Better teams, unlimited resource, endless fame, highest paid, should not make tactical mistake at the biggest event. If the team does that then it isn't a better team that is made it out to be by the cheerleaders.

Unless they are up hold at different standard depending on the situation and how one wants to shape the narrative. :)
 
India just won against Minnows and this guy is back again glorifying Indian players. Sorry state of affairs for him in this world T20.
 
In a condition, where most of the western countries find hard to play in Srilanka, Pakistan Shaheens (Pak A) made almost 400 runs with 2 individual centuries, and now Srilanka A in their own backward at the same pitch is decimated to 64 for 9. And we are made to believe that Pakistan is the least talented cricket team in the world.
 
Anyone know the crowed capacity of this game between India and Scotland?

Apparently Indian fans are happy to pay double the standard rate for matches against minnows too, so Pakistan v India being billed at double the price is no big deal
 
In a condition, where most of the western countries find hard to play in Srilanka, Pakistan Shaheens (Pak A) made almost 400 runs with 2 individual centuries, and now Srilanka A in their own backward at the same pitch is decimated to 64 for 9. And we are made to believe that Pakistan is the least talented cricket team in the world.

To be honest the side that was picked for shaheens some of them should be near or in the squad for the main team
 
"Including associate nations dilutes the competition and there should be less teams in the wt20"

This wt20 has been amongst the most interesting one in terms of qualification scenarios and associate nations have also got a good taste of high level cricket opposition.

The super 12s have been great and much much better super 8 or 10 of the previous editions. It used to be lose 2 games and you're out. Although it might turn out to be the same in this wt20 again, but atleast there's every chance for other teams to topple the stronger ones.
 
To be honest the side that was picked for shaheens some of them should be near or in the squad for the main team

So does Srilanka A, these are players who are basically bench strength of the national team.

So both should have same strength, especially Srilanka who is not termed as the least talented cricket nation in the world by some posters in PP.

Under no circumstances, such dominating performances in alien condition should have been possible by the least talented cricket nation in the world.
 
Apparently there is no talent in Pakistan

All the talent is in India

But Pakistan u19s beat India on 25th December 2021
 
Apparently there is no talent in Pakistan

All the talent is in India

But Pakistan u19s beat India on 25th December 2021

Need more such wins for this become a pattern and not one offs.
 
If Pakistan would have achieved what India has achieved over the past 10-15 years, I would be a very proud fan and would cut them slack during these low moments.

However, unlike India, Pakistan is mediocre 90% of the time so I don’t get too excited with a brief period of success because I know that it is temporary. The only permanency in Pakistan cricket is our never-ending mediocrity.

I have seen enough to fall for these false hopes and false dawns. Same Pakistan team will be lagging behind India in all formats in years to come.

Why not celebrate the 10-15% of success though? Nothing lasts forever. You will soon see how your beloved Indian team will go downhill. Australia did, WI did, and so will India.

Its all a cycle. Life is a cycle made of finite things.

I was so right, lol.
 
T20 format is just a volatile format that anything can happen in this format. Therefore, no concrete myth should exist when it comes to T20 format.
 
I was so right, lol.

If having one bad tour and one bad tournament is called going downhill, then Pakistan has been downhill for more than two decades now.

Our fans need to suspend their celebrations before they are put in their place again - India is still an incredible team and miles better than Pakistan across all formats.

They are just unsettled at the moment with the lack of clarity under the new captain(s) and a new coach. They will back to their best in no time.
 
I’ve been following this forum for the past 16 years. I’ve enjoyed posting here with a positive intent to promote Pakistan cricket. However, the last few years have been frustrating considering the negativity regarding our cricket that was being normalised by certain individuals who I do not need to name. However, I believe this T20 World Cup has put some of those so called theories which were considered or spread as ‘fact’ to bed. Let us list them all one by one:

1. “Pakistani cricketers are not good enough to compete in the IPL (except a Babar and Shaheen).”

We were told that our cricketers lack the skill and talent to participate in the world’s best league. However, the match on the 24th should serve as an eye opener for those who doubted Pakistan’s ability to participate, that too against the best in India. Players like Rauf, Shadab, Rizwan, Imad all stood up and showed their ability to perform at the highest level. The following matches showed the brute ability of players like Asif Ali, whilst Fakhar Zaman has also enjoyed the title of being one of the most dangerous batsmen in the world on his day.

2. “There is no talent in Pakistan”

I am not sure how you can comprehensively beat India and New Zealand on the world stage if there is absolutely no talent in Pakistan. Similarly, match winning performances by Rauf and Asif Ali prove that Pakistani bench strength should not be underestimated. I wouldn’t be surprised if Khushdil Shah ends up playing a blinder at some point if he is given the chance as well. We seem to want too much from our players because others look better. The rise of Mohammad Rizwan is also testimony to the fact that mediocre performers in Pakistan are capable of improving enough into world class cricketers if the right work ethic and coaching is there.

3. Harris Rauf is a Rock Thrower/Asif Ali isnt good enough for international standards

Two players who were heavily targeted, yet these two have given you everything as Pakistani players and and have produced match winning performances. Rauf was always one of the best T20 bowlers going into this tournament, but for some reason ‘experts’ could not accept him as a proper option because they have an obsession for the likes of Hassan Ali or bowlers that have vast fc experience. Maybe these people need to adapt and reassess their stubborn and limited view on the importance of fc experience in comparison to modern one day cricket requirements.

4. “A Bangladesh team with a fully fit Mushfiq and Shakib are the second best Asian side in white ball cricket in Asian conditions.”

If this is the case, how are Bangladesh comprehensively looking like the worst out of all the Asian sides in this T20 World Cup? Shakib and Mushfiq are fully fit. They have pace bowlers, they have spinners, all of their batsmen are available. They also have a very useful coaching staff. Yet Bangladesh have been absolutely atrocious, their fans would agree to this. Why was this lie normalised on this forum?? Why were we told to believe Mushfiq is comfortably better than all batsmen in Pakistan besides Babar? We respect Bangladesh’s efforts, but what is the point of such insulting claims to put down Pakistan fans?

5. “Hardik Pandya is the best all rounder in the world after Ben Stokes”

So Hardik is bowling regularly and also scoring runs regularly these days? Is he playing as an all rounder, or a batsman in this world T20. Was this claim made because he is Indian and that gives him preferential elevation into this status?

6. Pakistan’s poor batting in the UAE was exposed by the high scoring games in IPL 2020


I remember how certain posters took it upon themselves to devalue the efforts of Pakistan’s attritional batting style in Dubai/Abu Dhabi and Sharjah just because BCCI ensured that there should be exceptionally flat tracks for high scoring encounters. However, does this claim hold any weightage now considering all the low scoring affairs we have seen in IPL 2021 and also the low scores we have seen in this world T20. Moreover, batting juggernauts India could only manage 150 on these tracks against the same Pakistan that was being devalued for their efforts in exile.

7. India v Pakistan is no longer a rivalry. Indians do not view Pakistan as their rival anymore

We were being told this is just another match for India, and matches against Zimbabwe would draw as much anticipation for Indian fans. ICC doubled the ticket prices for this match, would love to see them double the ticket prices for a match against Namibia if that’s the case. A legend like Mathew Hayden may have provided the ultimate reality check to delusional Indian fans and anti Pakistan agents that Australia considers England as their Arch rivals, and the India v Pakistan match is the ‘holy grail’ of cricketing fans in the sub continent.

These are 7 myths that I can think of for the time being. Maybe there are some glaring ones that I have missed out on and posters can remind me. But God it feels great for these myths to be debunked and hopefully a new era of Sanity will prevail from now on.

Kohli ke peeche Kya hai? Kohli ke peeche
 
Anyone know the crowed capacity of this game between India and Scotland?

Apparently Indian fans are happy to pay double the standard rate for matches against minnows too, so Pakistan v India being billed at double the price is no big deal

It’s a shame so many tickets went unsold against Hong Kong in Dubai for the India match. They could have sold at extortionate rates in the black market to crazy Indian fans dying to see a glimpse of their team
 
The myth of Imad’s mental strength, calmness under pressure and game intelligence has been exposed big time in this World Cup.
 
The myth of Imad’s mental strength, calmness under pressure and game intelligence has been exposed big time in this World Cup.

He’s a clown but he’s better than Shadab 9/10 times. None of Imad, Shadab or Ifty should ever play for Pakistan again.
 
The first post in this thread says everything that you need to know about @Rana’s credibility and cricketing knowledge.

This is a beautiful bump. :klopp
 
However, I believe this T20 World Cup has put some of those so called theories which were considered or spread as Players like Rauf, Shadab, Rizwan, Imad all stood up and showed their ability to perform at the highest level.
My my my my my. :klopp
 
The first post in this thread says everything that you need to know about @Rana’s credibility and cricketing knowledge.

This is a beautiful bump. :klopp
It is a great bump.

It proves I genuinely did love Pakistan cricket at one time. I don’t anymore. I hate it now. Why do it hate the DNA of Pakistan cricket the way it is right now? Why am I tormenting Pakistan cricket fans every day here now?
 
My my my my my. :klopp

This only proves that not everyone has an agenda like you or is here to say, "I told you so... look at my cricket knowledge."

I've praised Rizwan and Babar in the past when they were performing well. However, the reality is they've been underperforming for the past couple of years, and I'm not going to praise mediocrity.
 
It is a great bump.

It proves I genuinely did love Pakistan cricket at one time. I don’t anymore. I hate it now. Why do it hate the DNA of Pakistan cricket the way it is right now? Why am I tormenting Pakistan cricket fans every day here now?
The only thing it proves is that you were as clueless then as you are clueless now.
 
This only proves that not everyone has an agenda like you or is here to say, "I told you so... look at my cricket knowledge."

I've praised Rizwan and Babar in the past when they were performing well. However, the reality is they've been underperforming for the past couple of years, and I'm not going to praise mediocrity.
A baddiyanat shakhs (the way @Savak describes him) like Mamoon thinks most of us here are like him. That we are posting without sincere beliefs.

This thread is from 2021….I genuinely loved and supported Pakistan cricket back then. My views changed gradually with what I saw, the dishonesty I witnessed in this team, it’s players and the clear selfishness.
 
The only thing it proves is that you were as clueless then as you are clueless now.
its not all about "mamoon the great cricket analyst" some of here have sense and just don't vouch for rubbish that's damaging pakistan cricket
 
The only thing it proves is that you were as clueless then as you are clueless now.
And the only thing it proves is that you are seriously hurt that Babar’s reappointment as captain, as predicted by myself and @topspin @mominsaigol @Dr_Bassim @Slim and @emranabbas was going to be a disaster. You are hurt, embarrassed because you claimed “I always have the last laugh”. You are panicking now because you know that you know what will happen the moment this WC campaign ends for Pakistan.
 
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And the only thing it proves is that you are seriously hurt that Babar’s reappointment as captain, as predicted by myself and @topspin @mominsaigol @Dr_Bassim @Slim and @emranabbas was going to be a disaster. You are hurt, embarrassed because you claimed “I always have the last laugh”. You are panicking now because you know that you know what will happen the moment this WC campaign ends for Pakistan.

First it was the Azam Khan failiure, than it was the Amir bottling the super over and today its Imad Wasim.

But the gang is desperate to find a way to blame others
 
And the only thing it proves is that you are seriously hurt that Babar’s reappointment as captain, as predicted by myself and @topspin @mominsaigol @Dr_Bassim @Slim and @emranabbas was going to be a disaster. You are hurt, embarrassed because you claimed “I always have the last laugh”. You are panicking now because you know that you know what will happen the moment this WC campaign ends for Pakistan.

You are even more paranoid than a jealous side mistress.

No one is fooled by Mamoon's diversion tactics.

He's been left with egg on his face for two reasons:

1. Premature win predication - he knows that he looks rather stupid for going after brother @mominsaigol who was rightly unimpressed with Babar's lax attitude in the lead up to this game

2. Once again, Babar fumbles another game as captain, when his team is in a very strong position. I've actually lost count of how many times this has happened. The question I have for you @Mamoon is how many times has this occurred as his appointed spokesperson? Please keep a tally for us because I must stress again that I'm losing count of this speciality of his.
 
Thank you Mamoon for bumping this thread and actually showing those people who call me ‘Indian’ or an ‘agenda poster’ that I was once a DIE HARD fan of Pakistan cricket.

Everything I have posted out of vengeance ever since has been from the heart.
 
No one is fooled by Mamoon's diversion tactics.

He's been left with egg on his face for two reasons:

1. Premature win predication - he knows that he looks rather stupid for going after brother @mominsaigol who was rightly unimpressed with Babar's lax attitude in the lead up to this game

2. Once again, Babar fumbles another game as captain, when his team is in a very strong position. I've actually lost count of how many times this has happened. The question I have for you @Mamoon is how many times has this occurred as his appointed spokesperson? Please keep a tally for us because I must stress again that I'm losing count of this speciality of his.
1) I was unimpressed by the lax attitude because I compared it to India who are even taking Ireland and Canada seriously and claimed they ain't relaxing against Pakistan. Yesterday they were training in the nets with kohli doing his usual routine granted he didn't kick off today but all of em were training.

2) They weren't really ever in a strong position bro, that 40 of 40 was 40 of 15. The final 4 overs were unplayable. Indian tail had a respite with shadab bowling, Pakistan had to deal with Bumrah and siraj. Only weak link was arshdeep but they kept him at the end when game was won
 
1) I was unimpressed by the lax attitude because I compared it to India who are even taking Ireland and Canada seriously and claimed they ain't relaxing against Pakistan. Yesterday they were training in the nets with kohli doing his usual routine granted he didn't kick off today but all of em were training.

2) They weren't really ever in a strong position bro, that 40 of 40 was 40 of 15. The final 4 overs were unplayable. Indian tail had a respite with shadab bowling, Pakistan had to deal with Bumrah and siraj. Only weak link was arshdeep but they kept him at the end when game was won

Completly agree and you nailed the second point.

The ball was getting softer and harder to hit, so yes the 40 off 40 was actually more like 40 off 15. It reminded me of the India v Sri Lanka 1996 Semi-Final WC match, where India struggled to chase Sri Lanka's total because the pitch kept getting slower and the ball kept getting softer. I wasn't old enough to watch this but this tournament was always of great interest to me.

As @emranabbas mentioned, scoring 35 off the PP was criminal. You have to make the most of the hard new ball. For that reason you could argue Rizwan was the biggest culprit.

BUT BUT BUT

According to our scholarship genius @Major

On a wicket like this, with uneven bounce, you need one guy to stay in there till the last over and one guy can attack. The only way we can lose this match is by throwing away wickets not by run rate. The targe is low enough that one over of 15 runs can change the run rate.

Having said all that, Ifti deserves most of the blame. He missed 3-4 full tosses including a free hit. Funny thing, Major won't have a word to say about this because Misbah and his clones must be protected at all costs.
 
Exactly. We were just watching, enjoying the game. We might not like RizBar but we are supportive of some of the Pakistan players and want them to do well.

It’s this guy and his fresh mate Major who started celebrating like two chawwals in the 15th over on the back of a player why they have historically disrespected here on this forum (Amir) because,

A) Amir said Babar isn’t a T20 player (he was proven right)

B) because Amir showed 2 fingers to Misbah’s pathetic directorship+Coaching regime.

That’s their gripe with this player
That's fine, These 2 can hate Amir all they want, they are free to hate anyone, no one is stopping them, their humans who have their own opinions it's fine.

The problem is Major keeps cheap shotting people and then runs away too scared to face me, He's the definition of a coward and Mamoon gets personal multiple times and brings topics outside of cricket such as his own personal superiority which is the classic case of narcissism.

These boys didn't let people enjoy the game, they caused a ruckus.
 
Completly agree and you nailed the second point.

The ball was getting softer and harder to hit, so yes the 40 off 40 was actually more like 40 off 15. It reminded me of the India v Sri Lanka 1996 Semi-Final WC match, where India struggled to chase Sri Lanka's total because the pitch kept getting slower and the ball kept getting softer. I wasn't old enough to watch this but this tournament was always of great interest to me.

As @emranabbas mentioned, scoring 35 off the PP was criminal. You have to make the most of the hard new ball. For that reason you could argue Rizwan was the biggest culprit.

BUT BUT BUT

According to our scholarship genius @Major

On a wicket like this, with uneven bounce, you need one guy to stay in there till the last over and one guy can attack. The only way we can lose this match is by throwing away wickets not by run rate. The targe is low enough that one over of 15 runs can change the run rate.

Having said all that, Ifti deserves most of the blame. He missed 3-4 full tosses including a free hit. Funny thing, Major won't have a word to say about this because Misbah and his clones must be protected at all costs.
What @emranabbas said was absolutely right. I first disagreed with him but he pointed out vital details, so yes he was correct about how rizwan was playing.

As for major, you just exposed how much of a hypocrite he is.

For rizwan: Bro theirs uneven bounce and it's difficult.

For imad: The pitch was a road bro.

Edit: As for ifti, I don't blame him besides the legside full toss, that should have gone for a 4. But the other 2, ball was too soft, couldn't play. Chavha isn't to blame but if this pitch was a road, chacha would still fumble like the usa
 
I respect that, but you have a guy who is a serial offender. He continuously attacks a few of us personally

Nothing is being done about it.
u can take the initiative not to respond and i will handle rest of it.
 
@Major - Sorry I forgot to include the full quote.

this post just shows how little you know about cricket.

On a wicket like this, with uneven bounce, you need one guy to stay in there till the last over and one guy can attack. The only way we can lose this match is by throwing away wickets not by run rate. The target is low enough that one over of 15 runs can change the run rate.

Since I know little about cricket, I thought you would be the best person to ask. I wanted to know why Pakistan lost by run rate when you said "The only way we can lose this match is by throwing away wickets".
 
Completly agree and you nailed the second point.

The ball was getting softer and harder to hit, so yes the 40 off 40 was actually more like 40 off 15. It reminded me of the India v Sri Lanka 1996 Semi-Final WC match, where India struggled to chase Sri Lanka's total because the pitch kept getting slower and the ball kept getting softer. I wasn't old enough to watch this but this tournament was always of great interest to me.

As @emranabbas mentioned, scoring 35 off the PP was criminal. You have to make the most of the hard new ball. For that reason you could argue Rizwan was the biggest culprit.

BUT BUT BUT

According to our scholarship genius @Major

On a wicket like this, with uneven bounce, you need one guy to stay in there till the last over and one guy can attack. The only way we can lose this match is by throwing away wickets not by run rate. The targe is low enough that one over of 15 runs can change the run rate.

Having said all that, Ifti deserves most of the blame. He missed 3-4 full tosses including a free hit. Funny thing, Major won't have a word to say about this because Misbah and his clones must be protected at all costs.
What @emranabbas said was absolutely right. I first disagreed with him but he pointed out vital details, so yes he was correct about how rizwan was playing.

As for major, you just exposed how much of a hypocrite he is.

For rizwan: Bro theirs uneven bounce and it's difficult.

For imad: The pitch was a road bro.

Edit: As for ifti, I don't blame him besides the legside full toss, that should have gone for a 4. But the other 2, ball was too soft, couldn't play. Chavha isn't to blame but if this pitch was a road, chacha would still fumble like the usa
Imad Wasim saw that Indian batsmen struggled to hit boundaries once the ball got 14-15 overs old.

Imad Wasim saw that Rizwan and Fakhar perished trying to go for boundaries.

Imad Wasim saw that he also failed trying to do the same thing and yet, Imad Wasim kept trying to do the same thing that others before him tried and failed and even Imad himself tried and failed.

Imad got brutally exposed today. His so-called ability to absorb pressure and show match awareness were nowhere to be found today.

This innings has cemented its place in the Pakistan cricket Hall of Shame. This innings will be the defining legacy of Imad Wasim as an international cricketer and something most Pakistani fans will remember him for.

You can say all you want about how he is not the only one to blame, or how others didn’t worse than him and what not, but none of the changes the fact that Imad Wasim played a horrible match losing innings today and this was not the type of innings you lot that he would play when you were clamoring for his return.
 
Well if he comes up with something snarky in between, please do not mind if I drop an insult in between to before it gets deleted.
You can report that sort of comment and we will handle it strictly but it’s better to avoid engaging with him personally.
 
I respect that, but you have a guy who is a serial offender. He continuously attacks a few of us personally

Nothing is being done about it.

@Major I don't know why you're laughing at this comment because you're biggest cry baby here. You call yourself a Major but everyone knows you love running to mods when your delicate feelings get hurt.
 
Completly agree and you nailed the second point.

The ball was getting softer and harder to hit, so yes the 40 off 40 was actually more like 40 off 15. It reminded me of the India v Sri Lanka 1996 Semi-Final WC match, where India struggled to chase Sri Lanka's total because the pitch kept getting slower and the ball kept getting softer. I wasn't old enough to watch this but this tournament was always of great interest to me.

As @emranabbas mentioned, scoring 35 off the PP was criminal. You have to make the most of the hard new ball. For that reason you could argue Rizwan was the biggest culprit.

BUT BUT BUT

According to our scholarship genius @Major

On a wicket like this, with uneven bounce, you need one guy to stay in there till the last over and one guy can attack. The only way we can lose this match is by throwing away wickets not by run rate. The targe is low enough that one over of 15 runs can change the run rate.

Having said all that, Ifti deserves most of the blame. He missed 3-4 full tosses including a free hit. Funny thing, Major won't have a word to say about this because Misbah and his clones must be protected at all costs.


India knew exactly how this pitch would behave, having played a warm-up match and their previous game here, as well as conducting all their practice sessions on it. They took full advantage of the powerplay, understanding that the pitch would become more challenging as the game progressed.
When they lost their first two wickets in the powerplay, they promoted Axar Patel, usually a number 7 or 8 player, to maximize the scoring opportunities during those early overs.
After losing our first wicket, Fakhar should have been brought in immediately. This was a critical mistake, and we ended up trying to chase runs when the pitch had become tough to play on.
 
Imad Wasim saw that Indian batsmen struggled to hit boundaries once the ball got 14-15 overs old.

Imad Wasim saw that Rizwan and Fakhar perished trying to go for boundaries.

Imad Wasim saw that he also failed trying to do the same thing and yet, Imad Wasim kept trying to do the same thing that others before him tried and failed and even Imad himself tried and failed.

Imad got brutally exposed today. His so-called ability to absorb pressure and show match awareness were nowhere to be found today.

This innings has cemented its place in the Pakistan cricket Hall of Shame. This innings will be the defining legacy of Imad Wasim as an international cricketer and something most Pakistani fans will remember him for.

You can say all you want about how he is not the only one to blame, or how others didn’t worse than him and what not, but none of the changes the fact that Imad Wasim played a horrible match losing innings today and this was not the type of innings you lot that he would play when you were clamoring for his return.
you know @topspin calls Imad as elite mentality. The guy who plays for the team and is not selfish.

Mr. Elite mentality couldnt even play axar patel of all the bowlers
 
Imad Wasim saw that Indian batsmen struggled to hit boundaries once the ball got 14-15 overs old.

Imad Wasim saw that Rizwan and Fakhar perished trying to go for boundaries.

Imad Wasim saw that he also failed trying to do the same thing and yet, Imad Wasim kept trying to do the same thing that others before him tried and failed and even Imad himself tried and failed.

Imad got brutally exposed today. His so-called ability to absorb pressure and show match awareness were nowhere to be found today.

This innings has cemented its place in the Pakistan cricket Hall of Shame. This innings will be the defining legacy of Imad Wasim as an international cricketer and something most Pakistani fans will remember him for.

You can say all you want about how he is not the only one to blame, or how others didn’t worse than him and what not, but none of the changes the fact that Imad Wasim played a horrible match losing innings today and this was not the type of innings you lot that he would play when you were clamoring for his return.
bro why are you copying and pasting the same thing on every thread just put it as your signature :cool:
 
I wish Shan Masood was in the team today.

There's a reason why I have a soft spot for him. This guy has a brain, carries himself well and is a good presence in a dressing room.

I would take him over Babar in any high pressure WT20 game.
 
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