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The tragedy for India is that Modi is considered a bigger character than Mahatma Gandhi
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The cult of Narendra Modi, why is he revered more than India itself by his supporters?
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Isn't that the case though honestly and objectively speaking? Forget modi- there are way more Congress leaders who have done greater things for ind than mk Gandhi.. but they don't get any recognition...
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Well just said so because in Pakistan Mr Jinnah is still held in high esteem. Even ZAB and IK don't come close to him
There's a complete difference between Gandhi and jinnah. Jinnah never hid any of his vices nor did he portray himself as a holier than thou person. He said he was an imperfect person and it is what it is. Different matter whether you agree with him or not on partition matters.
Unlike mk gandhi who wanted to steal the credit and not allow others to get their fair share. He had an ego as big as mt Everest.
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The same Jinnah who ate pork and drank alcohol?
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Still not as big a crime as ordering a pogram of minorities
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Does this also means that India will win more medals than US and China in Olympics?
The medals race will be mostly between Mahabharat , Soviet Reunion, East Africa Company and African Union in 2200s
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ZAB ended his life on the gallows, while IK is rotting in jail, and will continue to do so for a considerable amount of time. Mr Jinnah is held in high esteem in Pakistan because he is the only half-decent leader Pakistan has ever had.
In India we have had Ambedkar, S.C.Bose, Sardar Patel, Nehru, Indira Gandhi, Atal Vajpayee, P.V.Narasimha Rao, Manmohan Singh and Modi, all of whom have contributed greatly to the country in varying ways. Gandhi has had plenty of company.
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lol at putting Modi in this list. That's just sad.
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Oh, you make it seem that ZAB pulled off the ultimate magic trick by ending his own life, and IK is behind bars because, naturally, he's a master criminal and everyone in Pakistan is just thrilled about it. Well, that’s certainly one way to spin it!
And Modi? Oh, of course, in your version of events, he's never been involved in anything shady, especially not when it comes to, you know, a little thing like supporting the massacre of Muslims in Gujrat. But please, for the love of all things holy, don’t insult real great leaders by even thinking about lumping Modi into that exclusive club. Let's not lower the bar too much.
Yes Ind will win more because by that time neither of us will be alive to find out !Does this also means that India will win more medals than US and China in Olympics?
The correction has to be great leaders of Ind then. For obvious reasons Modi will not be a great leader in pak i guess. Your dislke of modi without any logic is plain obvious. Modi with article 370 gave the pak establishment a hammering and a loss that they have been fighting and losing for 70 yrs - the kashmir terrorism and miltancy. And in exchange they have sold pak down the drain and in a never ending sinkhole and nothing to show for..
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Modi is an elected politician in India, so why, pray tell, would anyone expect him to be a great leader in Pakistan? That’s akin to suggesting a fish would make an excellent pilot, completely different environments, my bro!.
As for Article 370, let's not kid ourselves. It was a mere token gesture, designed to placate folks like yourself who are easily impressed by shiny objects. The average Pakistani couldn't care less about Kashmir; they accepted reality a good 10 to 20 years ago. Meanwhile, it's not the Indian politicians who are itching to fight for a narrative that the rest of Kashmir belongs to them, nor are they gearing up to wrest it back from Pakistan. But I do wonder, what brilliant strategy does Modi have in mind for reclaiming the Chinese-occupied Kashmir? Oh, the suspense!
But let’s circle back to your original comment, which you conveniently sidestepped, perhaps because you were too triggered by the truth. Instead, you launched into an irrelevant rant that had nothing to do with the matter at hand. The fact remains that Modi carries, and will always carry, a dark stain on his reputation for his role in the Gujarat riots. He was banned from traveling to several countries for that very crime, and this shadow will loom large whenever his name is mentioned in the future. Just as some Hindutva enthusiasts dismiss Gandhi for whatever reason, future generations in India may well denounce Modi and his fervent followers for their crimes and bigotry against minorities. Only time will tell, but history has a funny way of setting the record straight.
Off topic - Modi was given a clean chit by Supreme Court of India. And just so you know at the time the Congress was in government at the center and not BJP. Also a lot of the rioters both Hindus and Muslims were arrested and prosecuted and sentences given and thats the right approach, IMO 2 wrongs never make a right. yes, it was some Islamic miscreants who burnt the train with Hindus in it but the response where Muslims are killed in riots is never right. Violence is not the solution for anything IMO. But once the riots took place ,, the judiciary took over and cases filed and prosecuted. So after the clean chit , Modis visa was reissued. There are thousands of actual court documents for the gujarat riots prosecution. But no one wants to read or take the time to go through and want to use news media titbits because it's not fancy and time consuming. There were more Hindu Muslim riots during Congress regimes before compared to last 10 yrs of Modi. Actions are mightier than words. Yes agree Modi went overboard sometimes with election rhetoric but the ground reality is different .
On topic - MK Gandhi is hated by a lot of the Dalits and BCs etc because he was very casteist. BR Ambedkar had a scathing opinion of him. And his "experiments" with truth are truly horrible - they are widely available on the internet. Also my biggest pet peeve with him is during partition he could have done more to avoid the partition deaths. Approx 1 million - 2 million deaths happened that incl both Hindus and Muslims. Let that sink in 1m - 2m. People are going bonkers now with Gaza deaths at 40k and the Gujarat riots 2000 deaths. So just imagine if those number of deaths happened today.. He as the top leader should have worked to ensure that partition was smooth and deaths didnt happen. But his ego was too big to do that and he wanted to "protect" his image. And for you Pak guys gloating about him - he refused giving the PM post to Jinnah which resulted in Jinnah asking for Pak as he wanted his fellow friend Nehru to be the PM. A lot of population now is younger but partition was a very very violent event with so many unfortunate deaths. IMO even 1 death is not acceptable. And in the film Gandhi which whitewashed his image - none of these facts are even mentioned nor his "experiments" with truth saga.. And coming back to the real world - yes MK Gandhi has an image like MLK or Mandela and gives you instant recognition worldwide. So Ind will milk that on the world stage no matter what party is in power BJP or Congress. So its in no ones interest to dig his past and just use his name recognition to put Ind on the global map.
The on topic and off topic headings should be reversed !
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Launch of C-295 is 'watershed moment' for India's defence sector: PM Modi
Prime Minister Narendra Modi shared his thoughts on India's latest achievements in the defence sector with the innauguration of C-295 aircraft manufacturing complex in Vadodara, by writing about it on Linkedin on Wednesday. PM Modi termed the launch of C-295 aircraft manufacturing complex as a "watershed moment" in India's defence and aerospace journey.
The speed of execution is breathtaking as the journey from foundation stone to operational facility completed in just two years, PM Modi said. He further stated that India's defence production has soared to Rs 1.27 trillion (2023-24) while defence exports has presently increased to Rs 21,000 crore.
He further appealed to the youths, startups, manufacturers and innovators to be a part of the country's defence sector as the policies are "supportive" and the opporutnity is "unprecedented".
From a time when defence forces faced critical equipment shortages to today's era of self-reliance, this is a journey that every Indian can be proud of, PM Modi added. In manufacturing, indigenous warships are patrolling the waters while made-in-India missiles have strengthened the country's deterrence.
Domestically-produced bulletproof jackets are protecting the soldiers, and India is becoming self-reliant in defence and is also working to be a top-of-the-line defence equipment manufacturer, he added. Notably, PM Modi had innaugurated the complex along with Spanish PM Pedro Sanchez, on Monday.
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US Embassy Says 'Disappointing' That BJP Would Accuse State Department of 'Destabilising' India
New Delhi: The US embassy on Saturday (December 7) dismissed as “disappointing” the Bharatiya Janata Party’s (BJP’s) accusation that the US State Department manipulated media reports against Prime Minister Narendra Modi, asserting that it only supports independent media through capacity-building training for journalists and does not influence the editorial decisions of independent media organisations.Through a series of posts from its official account on X on December 5, the BJP had alleged that US state department was behind the targeted attacks on Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the ruling party and attempts to “destabilise India”.It cited the report of the French investigative media outlet, Mediapart that claimed that OCCRP had received substantial funds from the US State Department’s USAID.Earlier on Thursday
(December 5), BJP members of parliament had used the Mediapart report to attack Congress leader Rahul Gandhi in Lok Sabha and alleged that he was colluding with OCCRP and US billionaire George Soros in, which was echoed in the social media posts.
The BJP were accusing the opposition of amplifying investigative reports against Adani group and Israeli spyware Pegasus, but Mediapart article had only alleged that US government “funds investigations focussing on Russia and Venezuela”.‘Disappointing that ruling party in India would make such allegations’World'A Future of Dust': On Gaza, Writers Have a Responsibility to Take SidesView More“It’s disappointing that the ruling party in India would make these kinds of accusations,” said an US embassy spokesperson on Saturday (December 7).
The spokesperson noted that the US government “works with independent organisations on programming that supports professional development and capacity building training for journalists”.“This programming does not influence the editorial decisions or direction of these organisations,” he said.AdvertisementTh US embassy noted that the United States has “long been a champion of media freedom around the world”.“A free and independent press is an essential component of any democracy, enabling informed and constructive debate and holding those in power accountable”.AdvertisementThe BJP had posted on X that “50% of OCCRP’s funding comes directly from the U.S. State Department”. It stated that “OCCRP has served as a media tool for carrying out a Deep State agenda,” adding that the “Deep State had a clear objective to destabilise India by targeting Prime Minister Modi”.There has been no reaction from the Ministry of external affairs, till now.AdvertisementLast week, the MEA had reacted to a remark made by Congress President Rahul Gandhi comparing Modi to the US President Joe Biden’s fading memory.
It had led to a sharp MEA response noting that India “shares a multifaceted partnership with the United States and this partnership has been built over years of perseverance, togetherness, mutual respect and commitment by both sides”.“We see such reports or remarks as unfortunate, and they are not in keeping with warm and friendly t
ies with the United States and do not represent the position of the Government of India,” said the MEA spokesperson on Nov 29.
BJP had dismissed reports on Rafale done by same French media group it cites now Incidentally, French media group Mediapart’s name became known in India due to its series of exclusive investigative reports over alleged crony corruption in the sale of 36 Rafale jet fighter ‘scam’ to India, since 2018. The Indian government and the BJP had then dismissed the reports.Its last report on the Rafale issue was in December 2023, when it investigated that India was stalling a probe by French judges in the corruption allegations.“It is now an established fact: the Indian government of ultra-nationalist prime minister Narendra Modi is keen to bury at all costs the corruption case concerning the sale of 36 Dassault-built Rafale fighter jets to India,” wrote Mediapart in the report dated December 14, 2023.In its latest investigation, Mediapart stated that its report relied primarily on public documents and filmed interviews given to German broadcaster NDR by OCCRP founder Drew Sullivan and several senior US civil servants. NDR later recused itself from publishing the investigation.The report observed that the OCCRP had “accepted several US government donations that it is obliged to spend on investigations into certain countries that Washington considers to be a priority matter.”Listing these donations and their specific aims, the Mediapart article detailed that between 2015 and 2019, the State Department donated $2.2 million for a mission called “Balancing the Russian Media Sphere.”
Another $1.7 million was provided between 2019 and 2023 to OCCRP for “Strengthening Investigative Journalism in Eurasia,” a region that includes Russia, China, and Central Asia.“In 2021 and 2022, the OCCRP led an investigation by international media called Russian Asset Tracker, which created the world’s largest non-governmental database of assets held globally by Russian oligarchs and political figures,” noted Mediapart.Mediapart’s report does not reference any US State Department grants targeting India Additionally, the US Department of State granted $173,324 to OCCRP for a mission focused on “uncovering and combating Venezuelan corruption.” In 2013, the State Department’s Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs allocated $200,156 to OCCRP for “Project Mexico,” targeting drug cartels in Mexico.In 2022, the INL donated $1 million to OCCRP for a two-year project aimed at “strengthening the capacity of journalists in Malta and Cyprus” to “expose crime and corruption and accelerate the impact of investigative journalism” in these tax havens, which have notably attracted Russian oligarchs.
This programme was renewed in September 2024 with a further grant of $1.3 million.During this time, OCCRP also participated in the “Cyprus Confidential” investigation, focusing on the country’s financial services and potential for sanctions evasion. Coordinated by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ), the investigation led to the Cypriot president announcing official probes into alleged violations of international sanctions against Russia on 14 November 2023. Three weeks later, a team of more than 20 FBI and FinCEN agents arrived in Nicosia to assist with the investigations.Sullivan was quoted in the report as saying that donations do not “influence our agenda,” explaining that funding is sought only for projects the organisation is already interested in investigating, provided no specific subjects are imposed.
“Every grant ultimately needs to meet the mission of the donor and the mission, standards and ethics of the journalism organization,” said Sullivan. “When those align, we bid on the grant.”Mediapart’s investigation does not reference any US State Department grants targeting India in any OCCRP report.OCCRP refutes allegations, terms report as ‘simply wrong’In response, OCCRP published a statement on its website calling the article “simply wrong.” “OCCRP has no limits on its journalism and no donor influences our reporting,” it said.The organisation further claimed that one of the article’s authors was a “disgruntled former member of our network,” a claim Mediapart dismissed as diversionary. OCCRP stated that the article “was unable to cite a single instance of inaccuracy or influence in our work and relied instead on insinuation and implication.”“As a donor-funded media organisation, OCCRP has built into its editorial process a number of safeguards to ensure that we maintain independence and that our journalists and member centers around the world can pursue stories they think are important and worth telling,” it said.
Source: The Wire
New Delhi: The US embassy on Saturday (December 7) dismissed as “disappointing” the Bharatiya Janata Party’s (BJP’s) accusation that the US State Department manipulated media reports against Prime Minister Narendra Modi, asserting that it only supports independent media through capacity-building training for journalists and does not influence the editorial decisions of independent media organisations.Through a series of posts from its official account on X on December 5, the BJP had alleged that US state department was behind the targeted attacks on Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the ruling party and attempts to “destabilise India”.It cited the report of the French investigative media outlet, Mediapart that claimed that OCCRP had received substantial funds from the US State Department’s USAID.Earlier on Thursday
(December 5), BJP members of parliament had used the Mediapart report to attack Congress leader Rahul Gandhi in Lok Sabha and alleged that he was colluding with OCCRP and US billionaire George Soros in, which was echoed in the social media posts.
The BJP were accusing the opposition of amplifying investigative reports against Adani group and Israeli spyware Pegasus, but Mediapart article had only alleged that US government “funds investigations focussing on Russia and Venezuela”.‘Disappointing that ruling party in India would make such allegations’World'A Future of Dust': On Gaza, Writers Have a Responsibility to Take SidesView More“It’s disappointing that the ruling party in India would make these kinds of accusations,” said an US embassy spokesperson on Saturday (December 7).
The spokesperson noted that the US government “works with independent organisations on programming that supports professional development and capacity building training for journalists”.“This programming does not influence the editorial decisions or direction of these organisations,” he said.AdvertisementTh US embassy noted that the United States has “long been a champion of media freedom around the world”.“A free and independent press is an essential component of any democracy, enabling informed and constructive debate and holding those in power accountable”.AdvertisementThe BJP had posted on X that “50% of OCCRP’s funding comes directly from the U.S. State Department”. It stated that “OCCRP has served as a media tool for carrying out a Deep State agenda,” adding that the “Deep State had a clear objective to destabilise India by targeting Prime Minister Modi”.There has been no reaction from the Ministry of external affairs, till now.AdvertisementLast week, the MEA had reacted to a remark made by Congress President Rahul Gandhi comparing Modi to the US President Joe Biden’s fading memory.
It had led to a sharp MEA response noting that India “shares a multifaceted partnership with the United States and this partnership has been built over years of perseverance, togetherness, mutual respect and commitment by both sides”.“We see such reports or remarks as unfortunate, and they are not in keeping with warm and friendly t
ies with the United States and do not represent the position of the Government of India,” said the MEA spokesperson on Nov 29.
BJP had dismissed reports on Rafale done by same French media group it cites now Incidentally, French media group Mediapart’s name became known in India due to its series of exclusive investigative reports over alleged crony corruption in the sale of 36 Rafale jet fighter ‘scam’ to India, since 2018. The Indian government and the BJP had then dismissed the reports.Its last report on the Rafale issue was in December 2023, when it investigated that India was stalling a probe by French judges in the corruption allegations.“It is now an established fact: the Indian government of ultra-nationalist prime minister Narendra Modi is keen to bury at all costs the corruption case concerning the sale of 36 Dassault-built Rafale fighter jets to India,” wrote Mediapart in the report dated December 14, 2023.In its latest investigation, Mediapart stated that its report relied primarily on public documents and filmed interviews given to German broadcaster NDR by OCCRP founder Drew Sullivan and several senior US civil servants. NDR later recused itself from publishing the investigation.The report observed that the OCCRP had “accepted several US government donations that it is obliged to spend on investigations into certain countries that Washington considers to be a priority matter.”Listing these donations and their specific aims, the Mediapart article detailed that between 2015 and 2019, the State Department donated $2.2 million for a mission called “Balancing the Russian Media Sphere.”
Another $1.7 million was provided between 2019 and 2023 to OCCRP for “Strengthening Investigative Journalism in Eurasia,” a region that includes Russia, China, and Central Asia.“In 2021 and 2022, the OCCRP led an investigation by international media called Russian Asset Tracker, which created the world’s largest non-governmental database of assets held globally by Russian oligarchs and political figures,” noted Mediapart.Mediapart’s report does not reference any US State Department grants targeting India Additionally, the US Department of State granted $173,324 to OCCRP for a mission focused on “uncovering and combating Venezuelan corruption.” In 2013, the State Department’s Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs allocated $200,156 to OCCRP for “Project Mexico,” targeting drug cartels in Mexico.In 2022, the INL donated $1 million to OCCRP for a two-year project aimed at “strengthening the capacity of journalists in Malta and Cyprus” to “expose crime and corruption and accelerate the impact of investigative journalism” in these tax havens, which have notably attracted Russian oligarchs.
This programme was renewed in September 2024 with a further grant of $1.3 million.During this time, OCCRP also participated in the “Cyprus Confidential” investigation, focusing on the country’s financial services and potential for sanctions evasion. Coordinated by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ), the investigation led to the Cypriot president announcing official probes into alleged violations of international sanctions against Russia on 14 November 2023. Three weeks later, a team of more than 20 FBI and FinCEN agents arrived in Nicosia to assist with the investigations.Sullivan was quoted in the report as saying that donations do not “influence our agenda,” explaining that funding is sought only for projects the organisation is already interested in investigating, provided no specific subjects are imposed.
“Every grant ultimately needs to meet the mission of the donor and the mission, standards and ethics of the journalism organization,” said Sullivan. “When those align, we bid on the grant.”Mediapart’s investigation does not reference any US State Department grants targeting India in any OCCRP report.OCCRP refutes allegations, terms report as ‘simply wrong’In response, OCCRP published a statement on its website calling the article “simply wrong.” “OCCRP has no limits on its journalism and no donor influences our reporting,” it said.The organisation further claimed that one of the article’s authors was a “disgruntled former member of our network,” a claim Mediapart dismissed as diversionary. OCCRP stated that the article “was unable to cite a single instance of inaccuracy or influence in our work and relied instead on insinuation and implication.”“As a donor-funded media organisation, OCCRP has built into its editorial process a number of safeguards to ensure that we maintain independence and that our journalists and member centers around the world can pursue stories they think are important and worth telling,” it said.
Source: The Wire
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