The disastrous reign of Ramiz Raja

[moghul]

Minor things happen and RR is not personally responsible for every single mishap. He is energetic , passionate and have big ideas for Pakistan cricket and will end up as the best Chairman of PCB.

 

[Major]

Lol
Is Rameez in charge of PCB bills??

Rameez Raja made a statement, that he is one man show.

Thus, he would offcourse be critisized for this. If you want to take credit for all the good things than the credit for bad things should also be given to that person.

 

[Major]

Minor things happen and RR is not personally responsible for every single mishap. He is energetic , passionate and have big ideas for Pakistan cricket and will end up as the best Chairman of PCB.

Rameez Raja has made a statement in media, that he is one man show, thus if one is to standby that comment than all things would lead to him

 

[arif_2021]

Can't fault the man for his ideas and passion.

The problem is if these ideas and dreams don't become a reality, then people will start to wonder what is going on.

Already people were criticising him for the beating India at the T20 World Cup comment regarding the blank cheque from the businessman - which hasn't showed up as yet.

I’m pretty sure that businessman’s name is arif Habeeb and he’s already made a commitment to help behind the scenes.

 

[Savak]

Rameez Raja has made a statement in media, that he is one man show, thus if one is to standby that comment than all things would lead to him

Misbah was also a one man show as the CS, Head coach, batting coach, didn't see you blame him for anything

 

[Saj]

I’m pretty sure that businessman’s name is arif Habeeb and he’s already made a commitment to help behind the scenes.

"One strong investor told me that a blank cheque is ready for the PCB if Pakistan beats India in the upcoming T20 World Cup"

That's what he said. The problem is people will want to know if the cheque has been received, will be received, if not, why not, if it has been received where will it be spent.

If you make such a statement, it is going to raise a lot of questions.

 

[moghul]

Misbah was also a one man show as the CS, Head coach, batting coach, didn't see you blame him for anything

Misbah was the real disaster, not RR.

 

[daytrader]

Minor things happen and RR is not personally responsible for every single mishap. He is energetic , passionate and have big ideas for Pakistan cricket and will end up as the best Chairman of PCB.

Everyone has their likes and dislikes. You clearly didn't give way Misbah the same leeway that you are extending to RR

 

[Zaz]

I think ramiz needs to calm down n walk before he can run

Dont make silly promises you cant keep One step at a time would be better

Hes just making a fool of himself by making these grand promises

 

[arif_2021]

"One strong investor told me that a blank cheque is ready for the PCB if Pakistan beats India in the upcoming T20 World Cup"

That's what he said. The problem is people will want to know if the cheque has been received, will be received, if not, why not, if it has been received where will it be spent.

If you make such a statement, it is going to raise a lot of questions.

I fail to understand the concern or controversy behind Rameez's statement or the mystery businessman's endeavors.

All successful domestic teams are owned by either investment firms, big corporations or billionaires. It is done for publicity and advertisement.

Ramiz is probably trying to commercialize PCB better. It will lead to more professionalism. Big business cuts the dead wood out.

 

[MenInG]

Former Pakistan captain Salman Butt has slammed Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Ramiz Raja for 'blatant lies' and 'media gimmicks' during his recent press conference.

While speaking on his YouTube channel, Salman Butt claimed that PCB is currently being operated based on Ramiz Raja's obsessions and elaborated how 'blatant lies' were told in Ramiz Raja's presser.

"Whenever you become a head of any department, does the organisation start catering to your obsessions and what you want, or should it be creating policies which remain intact and are applied irrespective of whether you are in power or not?" Salman pointed out.

Salman angrily reiterated his statement and said, "Why should anyone follow your obsessions? Where is the policy?"

Butt harshly broke down Ramiz Raja's statement from the press conference regarding First-Class cricketers earning up to Rs. 60 lac on annual basis.

"There were two main reasons for increasing the salaries of the domestic players. One was to provide them with a sustainable tier-2 career. Now, a First Class cricketer is making 50 to 60 lac rupees, this was unheard of before," said Ramiz Raja during his press conference.

Salman Butt contradicted Ramiz's statement and called them 'blatant lies' and added that these figures are only used as media gimmicks because they are not based on reality.

"Just take the example of A+ category players and leave the rest for a minute. Their one-year contract has 2.5 lac rupees per month. That amounts to 30 lac per year. There is no match which pays 1 lac rupees; some pay 60 thousand, others 70," Salman explained.

Salman further added how it is impossible for all players to earn 60 lac rupees, as quoted by Ramiz, and explained the finance behind it.

"If a player plays all matches of all three formats, this means 10 First-Class matches, 10 one-days, and 10 Test matches. In addition to that, if he plays the semifinals and finals as well then these amount to 33-34 matches. Even then the player won't earn up to 60 lac," Salman further elaborated.

"Not all of those A+ category players play all three formats and it is not necessary that their teams always reach finals, only one or two might. To base your statements on such rarity is similar to how businesses trap customers by offering gimmick discounts," Salman concluded.

It is worth adding that Ramiz Raja has been an advocate for not allowing cricketers to play again who have disgraced Pakistan's name. Although Butt was already finding it difficult to break into the team and with Ramiz's arrival as PCB chairman, it has made it even more difficult for the likes of Salman Butt, Mohammad Amir, and Sharjeel Khan to make a comeback. This is one of the reasons why Salman Butt and Mohammad Amir have remained extra critical of Ramiz Raja and his progress as the PCB chairman.

https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/n...z-raja-for-blatant-lies-following-his-presser

 

[Saj]

I fail to understand the concern or controversy behind Rameez's statement or the mystery businessman's endeavors.

All successful domestic teams are owned by either investment firms, big corporations or billionaires. It is done for publicity and advertisement.

Ramiz is probably trying to commercialize PCB better. It will lead to more professionalism. Big business cuts the dead wood out.

Pretty simple really.

He made the comment, so the public and no doubt members of the media will follow it up which I guess they are entitled to do.

 

[Savak]

Former Pakistan captain Salman Butt has slammed Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Ramiz Raja for 'blatant lies' and 'media gimmicks' during his recent press conference.

While speaking on his YouTube channel, Salman Butt claimed that PCB is currently being operated based on Ramiz Raja's obsessions and elaborated how 'blatant lies' were told in Ramiz Raja's presser.

"Whenever you become a head of any department, does the organisation start catering to your obsessions and what you want, or should it be creating policies which remain intact and are applied irrespective of whether you are in power or not?" Salman pointed out.

Salman angrily reiterated his statement and said, "Why should anyone follow your obsessions? Where is the policy?"

Butt harshly broke down Ramiz Raja's statement from the press conference regarding First-Class cricketers earning up to Rs. 60 lac on annual basis.

"There were two main reasons for increasing the salaries of the domestic players. One was to provide them with a sustainable tier-2 career. Now, a First Class cricketer is making 50 to 60 lac rupees, this was unheard of before," said Ramiz Raja during his press conference.

Salman Butt contradicted Ramiz's statement and called them 'blatant lies' and added that these figures are only used as media gimmicks because they are not based on reality.

"Just take the example of A+ category players and leave the rest for a minute. Their one-year contract has 2.5 lac rupees per month. That amounts to 30 lac per year. There is no match which pays 1 lac rupees; some pay 60 thousand, others 70," Salman explained.

Salman further added how it is impossible for all players to earn 60 lac rupees, as quoted by Ramiz, and explained the finance behind it.

"If a player plays all matches of all three formats, this means 10 First-Class matches, 10 one-days, and 10 Test matches. In addition to that, if he plays the semifinals and finals as well then these amount to 33-34 matches. Even then the player won't earn up to 60 lac," Salman further elaborated.

"Not all of those A+ category players play all three formats and it is not necessary that their teams always reach finals, only one or two might. To base your statements on such rarity is similar to how businesses trap customers by offering gimmick discounts," Salman concluded.

It is worth adding that Ramiz Raja has been an advocate for not allowing cricketers to play again who have disgraced Pakistan's name. Although Butt was already finding it difficult to break into the team and with Ramiz's arrival as PCB chairman, it has made it even more difficult for the likes of Salman Butt, Mohammad Amir, and Sharjeel Khan to make a comeback. This is one of the reasons why Salman Butt and Mohammad Amir have remained extra critical of Ramiz Raja and his progress as the PCB chairman.

https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/n...z-raja-for-blatant-lies-following-his-presser

Salman Butt like Aamir Sohail is still stuck in the past where they have given up on ever commercializing domestic teams and feel that department cricket is the only option in our cricketing culture.

 

[DRsohail]

MashaAllah ,RR has responded brilliantly so far

 

[Snowflake]

MashaAllah ,RR has responded brilliantly so far

When people like Salman Butt and Mhd Hafeez are critical of you, you know you are doing a good job!

 

[Major]

So another feather under Rameez Raja's cap

PSL ends on 27th, and on march 4th the first test match is being played.

So the players only have 3 days to prepare for Test match now. One day would be spent in travelling and rest after the final..

This is Pakistans home series, and they scheduled test series before odis and t20s and right after the psl..

No preparation nothing, and if we lose, the captain would be getting blame.

 

[Rana]

So another feather under Rameez Raja's cap

PSL ends on 27th, and on march 4th the first test match is being played.

So the players only have 3 days to prepare for Test match now. One day would be spent in travelling and rest after the final..

This is Pakistans home series, and they scheduled test series before odis and t20s and right after the psl..

No preparation nothing, and if we lose, the captain would be getting blame.

Captain is garbage. If he really thinks Test is more important then he might as well walk out of PSL right now and train with the current Test boys at the NCA. If he loses, so be it. Tough life of a pro athlete.

 

[reversehook]

RR has been good, even if he does nothing but keeps up with the same tempo, at the least he is making it appear good... the other clueless buffoons before him had it all messed up. RR has lots of bandages to put on the PCB, and he has many nurses (ex players, and certain pcb people) which are against it...

 

[moghul]

RR is on his way to become the best ever BCP Chairman , I think he already is , doesn't have much competition anyway.

And due to his cricketing background, other boards listen to him and respect and trust him more than any previous chairman.

 

[Savak]

The PSL had to be pushed back because of the Australian series. The PCB have a jam-packed international and home schedule, after Feb, there is no window available to host the PSL for the remainder of the year and if the PCB did not cramp on the PSL in the Jan Feb slot then they would have to give up holding the PSL this year which would have meant lost revenues for the PCB and brand damage.

The PCB have not only held the PSL when covid was peaking in the Jan Feb slot but they have also successfully convinced a full strength Australian team to come to Pakistan. This guy Major is just talking through his back side

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

Perhaps, the Australia ODI and T20 matches should have been scheduled first, which then would have allowed for (let's say) a week-long break before the test series starts?

But anyway, sooner rather than later, players immediately jumping from T20) Franchise to Test and vice versa will become a regular thing since it will eventually become a requirement.

I just hope next time, PCB doesn't have to change their PSL timing or do something else major to grant the wishes of the touring team cricket board.

 

[MenInG]

Coaching appointments

1. Saqlain to continue
2. Shaun Tait as fast-bowling coach
3. MoYo as batting coach for Australia series

 

[Major]

Perhaps, the Australia ODI and T20 matches should have been scheduled first, which then would have allowed for (let's say) a week-long break before the test series starts?

But anyway, sooner rather than later, players immediately jumping from T20) Franchise to Test and vice versa will become a regular thing since it will eventually become a requirement.

I just hope next time, PCB doesn't have to change their PSL timing or do something else major to grant the wishes of the touring team cricket board.

Odi and t20s should had been held first.

3 days to prepare for test is ridiculous considering the fact that the first test being played in pindi where the team rarely plays

 

[shamaan]

So another feather under Rameez Raja's cap

PSL ends on 27th, and on march 4th the first test match is being played.

So the players only have 3 days to prepare for Test match now. One day would be spent in travelling and rest after the final..

This is Pakistans home series, and they scheduled test series before odis and t20s and right after the psl..

No preparation nothing, and if we lose, the captain would be getting blame.

The captain should be blamed for the schedule ?

 

[Savak]

Odi and t20s should had been held first.

3 days to prepare for test is ridiculous considering the fact that the first test being played in pindi where the team rarely plays

You should be grateful that Australia is touring Pakistan after 24 years that also with a full strength squad, the PCB had to fit in the PSL in a very cramped schedule. You seriously need to get over Misbah being fired by RR (which everyone can see is his one and very unforgivable sin according to you).

 

[Major]

The captain should be blamed for the schedule ?

i said, if we lose, the captain would be getting the blame by the public, when the real story is that the chairman couldn't schdule it properly.

 

[Major]

You should be grateful that Australia is touring Pakistan after 24 years that also with a full strength squad, the PCB had to fit in the PSL in a very cramped schedule. You seriously need to get over Misbah being fired by RR (which everyone can see is his one and very unforgivable sin according to you).

Australia isn't doing an ehsaan. If you think this is a favor they are doing for us, than that just shows the slave mentality here....

We are the ones making the home schedule, thus we should make it towards our own benefit. Australia has security fears, that doesnt mean you play the test and odis according to their dates.....

Might aswell lose all matches to Australia to make sure they look good and we act grateful to the white masters to coming to our land to play with us poor people.

Rameez Raja messed up the scheduling here

 

[Savak]

Australia isn't doing an ehsaan. If you think this is a favor they are doing for us, than that just shows the slave mentality here....

We are the ones making the home schedule, thus we should make it towards our own benefit. Australia has security fears, that doesnt mean you play the test and odis according to their dates.....

Might aswell lose all matches to Australia to make sure they look good and we act grateful to the white masters to coming to our land to play with us poor people.

Rameez Raja messed up the scheduling here

You are over estimating Australia's ability to win in Pakistan. They have lost to Pakistan twice in the UAE in 2014 and 2018. I can count on my finger tips various series where the team has gone straight into a test match after playing T-20's.

 

[shamaan]

i said, if we lose, the captain would be getting the blame by the public, when the real story is that the chairman couldn't schdule it properly.

Yes definitely but even if the schedule is better its not a given that they will win the series but more likely chance.

 

[Snowflake]

So another feather under Rameez Raja's cap

PSL ends on 27th, and on march 4th the first test match is being played.

So the players only have 3 days to prepare for Test match now. One day would be spent in travelling and rest after the final..

This is Pakistans home series, and they scheduled test series before odis and t20s and right after the psl..

No preparation nothing, and if we lose, the captain would be getting blame.

Really clutching at straws here, Major. This thread has backfired spectacularly as Ramiz has done more for PCT than most couldn't do in their entire tenure.

The country is singing his praises and the team's performance is reflective of his logical decisions. I know you are still hurt about Misbah's sacking, but that was one of RR's masterstrokes (even though technically Misbah resigned).

Better let this one go.

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

Ramiz Raja bad decision to hire Shaun Tait, when there is Ian Pont

 

[finalfantasy7]

Ramiz Raja bad decision to hire Shaun Tait, when there is Ian Pont

he's cheap, hence why he went for tait and mo yosuf, i understand if philander didn't want to renew due to family reasons, but letting hayden go isn't a good decision.

IMO - they should have kept hayden and add moyo as a understudy (so he himself can learn how to coach)

 

[DRsohail]

You should be grateful that Australia is touring Pakistan after 24 years that also with a full strength squad, the PCB had to fit in the PSL in a very cramped schedule. You seriously need to get over Misbah being fired by RR (which everyone can see is his one and very unforgivable sin according to you).

The best decision ever by RR.

 

[DRsohail]

Captain is garbage. If he really thinks Test is more important then he might as well walk out of PSL right now and train with the current Test boys at the NCA. If he loses, so be it. Tough life of a pro athlete.

Sometimes I agree with you .

 

[Savak]

he's cheap, hence why he went for tait and mo yosuf, i understand if philander didn't want to renew due to family reasons, but letting hayden go isn't a good decision.

IMO - they should have kept hayden and add moyo as a understudy (so he himself can learn how to coach)

Hayden was not interested in a long term gig due to family reasons as well. You have to understand that PCB's hands are tied. To get a lot of really good names, they will have to pay a minimum of $500,000-700,000

 

[DRsohail]

RR has made me taking interest in Pak cricket again and so by our public, the best decision to send home yhsoe two leeches and taking the whole team on track, I hope we beat Australia though it will be a tough ask.

 

[shamaan]

Ramiz Raja bad decision to hire Shaun Tait, when there is Ian Pont

He should be working on NHPC not as a Pakistan bowling coach for mens team.

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

He should be working on NHPC not as a Pakistan bowling coach for mens team.

True, but Umar Gul would've been a better option than Shaun Tait

 

[shamaan]

True, but Umar Gul would've been a better option than Shaun Tait

He has very little experience even less than what Tait has.

 

[cricketerB94]

So another feather under Rameez Raja's cap

PSL ends on 27th, and on march 4th the first test match is being played.

So the players only have 3 days to prepare for Test match now. One day would be spent in travelling and rest after the final..

This is Pakistans home series, and they scheduled test series before odis and t20s and right after the psl..

No preparation nothing, and if we lose, the captain would be getting blame.

Does playing T20Is and ODIs first prepare you for test cricket?

The 4-day warm-up matches can prepare a team for test cricket, but that too is for visiting team. Home team should always be prepared to compete in any format at home.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Ramiz has transformed the PCB and has turned them into a dynamic and forward thinking board.

Initially he spoke a bit too much but he was dealt a very bad hand. Since settling into the job he has worked admirably. Unfortunately in Pakistan there is always someone with an axe to grind a forthright person like Ramiz will also have his critics in the fixer lobby ( Butt), or in the TTF lobby ( Hafeez).

 

[Markhor]

Ramiz has transformed the PCB and has turned them into a dynamic and forward thinking board.

Initially he spoke a bit too much but he was dealt a very bad hand. Since settling into the job he has worked admirably. Unfortunately in Pakistan there is always someone with an axe to grind a forthright person like Ramiz will also have his critics in the fixer lobby ( Butt), or in the TTF lobby ( Hafeez).

Interested to see some actual evidence of this.

RR has credit in the bank with the popular decision of removing Misbah and Waqar, and the T20 WC run. However with hindsight given our 10 years of using UAE as a home - reaching the SF was par and we blew a golden opportunity to win it.

I appreciate the emphasis on improving pitches and recruiting Faisal Hasnain as CEO was a coup. Apart from that, I've seen lots of populist statements, self-promotion and hare-brained ideas:

- Claiming to have devised the tactics to beat IND.
- Hiring unproven Australian coaches on no basis other than "Australians are aggressive."
- Unfilled coaching vacancies.
- Introducing drop-in pitches. They are more suited for multipurpose venues and are expensive to maintain. If you want to prepare for the T20 WC in AUS - produce bouncy turf pitches !
- Wanting to start a Quadrangular T20 with India. Is Modi no longer PM ?

However the Pakistani public is easily placated by bluster and bold claims - fixated by messianic personalities than on building long-lasting structures. RR's predecessors EM and WK tried doing that by introducing a 5 year corporate plan, restructuring domestic cricket and the NCA, removing many of the PCB old guard, accelerating the return of cricket to Pakistan, starting the process of introducing data analysis, bringing Andy Atkinson in as a pitch consultant and finally setting up an official merchandising outlet.

However they weren't strong personalities, hadn't spent 20 years in the media building personal relations like RR, or as skilled at playing to the galleries thus got ripped to shreds.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Interested to see some actual evidence of this.

RR has credit in the bank with the popular decision of removing Misbah and Waqar, and the T20 WC run. However with hindsight given our 10 years of using UAE as a home - reaching the SF was par and we blew a golden opportunity to win it.

I appreciate the emphasis on improving pitches and recruiting Faisal Hasnain as CEO was a coup. Apart from that, I've seen lots of populist statements, self-promotion and hare-brained ideas:

- Claiming to have devised the tactics to beat IND.
- Hiring unproven Australian coaches on no basis other than "Australians are aggressive."
- Unfilled coaching vacancies.
- Introducing drop-in pitches. They are more suited for multipurpose venues and are expensive to maintain. If you want to prepare for the T20 WC in AUS - produce bouncy turf pitches !
- Wanting to start a Quadrangular T20 with India. Is Modi no longer PM ?

However the Pakistani public is easily placated by bluster and bold claims - fixated by messianic personalities than on building long-lasting structures. RR's predecessors EM and WK tried doing that by introducing a 5 year corporate plan, restructuring domestic cricket and the NCA, removing many of the PCB old guard, accelerating the return of cricket to Pakistan, starting the process of introducing data analysis, bringing Andy Atkinson in as a pitch consultant and finally setting up an official merchandising outlet.

However they weren't strong personalities, hadn't spent 20 years in the media building personal relations like RR, or as skilled at playing to the galleries thus got ripped to shreds.

The feelings of Jazba, Junoon and passion in the hearts of Pak fans as a result of RR's tenure is not something that can be proven with empirical evidence.

He likes to blow his own trumpet at times, agreed but hopefully he calms this down as his tenure continues.

The popularity of cricket in Pakistan was waning considerably so I genuinely think a populist leader ( despite the odd gaffe) will generate some additional interest in the sport.

He has started off reasonably well in comparison to the dull administrators we have had in place in the past.

Even daft ideas like playing in Gwadar might not be feasible for now, but display some sort of vision to expand and grow the team in Pakistan.

It would have been good if he had worked in combination with WK though.

 

[Major]

Does playing T20Is and ODIs first prepare you for test cricket?

The 4-day warm-up matches can prepare a team for test cricket, but that too is for visiting team. Home team should always be prepared to compete in any format at home.

There was no need to prepare for t20 as they are coming out of PSL.

Home teams should always be prepared? What? THan why do psl teams have camps before the tournament starts?

You need to have camps and have proper preparation to adjust to the ball and conditions.

Forget cricket, even sports like baseball have preparation camps.

Rameez Raja, a guy who himself was a cricketer, has already messed up this tour.

 

[Major]

Interested to see some actual evidence of this.

RR has credit in the bank with the popular decision of removing Misbah and Waqar, and the T20 WC run. However with hindsight given our 10 years of using UAE as a home - reaching the SF was par and we blew a golden opportunity to win it.

I appreciate the emphasis on improving pitches and recruiting Faisal Hasnain as CEO was a coup. Apart from that, I've seen lots of populist statements, self-promotion and hare-brained ideas:

- Claiming to have devised the tactics to beat IND.
- Hiring unproven Australian coaches on no basis other than "Australians are aggressive."
- Unfilled coaching vacancies.
- Introducing drop-in pitches. They are more suited for multipurpose venues and are expensive to maintain. If you want to prepare for the T20 WC in AUS - produce bouncy turf pitches !
- Wanting to start a Quadrangular T20 with India. Is Modi no longer PM ?

However the Pakistani public is easily placated by bluster and bold claims - fixated by messianic personalities than on building long-lasting structures. RR's predecessors EM and WK tried doing that by introducing a 5 year corporate plan, restructuring domestic cricket and the NCA, removing many of the PCB old guard, accelerating the return of cricket to Pakistan, starting the process of introducing data analysis, bringing Andy Atkinson in as a pitch consultant and finally setting up an official merchandising outlet.

However they weren't strong personalities, hadn't spent 20 years in the media building personal relations like RR, or as skilled at playing to the galleries thus got ripped to shreds.

Good post.

but meaningful work never gets credit. Its the tamasha approach that the people love.

In few days time we will be seeing Rameez Raja taking credit for high scoring matches, but little do people know is that boundaries have been set up short.

The guy has publicly said many times he doesnt believe in Head coaches and keeps hiring people on series by series basis.

Waeem bari getting a job just for the sake of it.

If we lose the test series to Australia, it would be an embarrassment. The scheduling is ridiculous and for now it will be ignored.

 

[Savak]

There was no need to prepare for t20 as they are coming out of PSL.

Home teams should always be prepared? What? THan why do psl teams have camps before the tournament starts?

You need to have camps and have proper preparation to adjust to the ball and conditions.

Forget cricket, even sports like baseball have preparation camps.

Rameez Raja, a guy who himself was a cricketer, has already messed up this tour.

Admit it, RR has not messed up this tour with you. It all starts and ends with kicking Misbah ul Haq out on his behind immediately

 

[Major]

Admit it, RR has not messed up this tour with you. It all starts and ends with kicking Misbah ul Haq out on his behind immediately

you can keep on bringing Misbah ul haq.

The funny thing is you have no argument for the schduling and no preparation point. Thus, to argue back you use the Misbah reason..

 

[finalfantasy7]

Hayden was not interested in a long term gig due to family reasons as well. You have to understand that PCB's hands are tied. To get a lot of really good names, they will have to pay a minimum of $500,000-700,000

thanks for informing me about hayden.

regarding the minimum of $500,000-700,000 - the pcb make enough profit to cover this - i do believe the reason being that they don't want to go after a top candidate or a new young emerging candidate - is because they themselves are on too much money and only do a part time job, with many people inside pcb taking a extra ghost salary - as reported in latest report.

I'm happy with saqlain as the head coach, i would be happy with even if we get sangakarra/ jayawardene(batting coach), bowling coach pollock / ian point again

Dont mind moyo as ive heard really good things about him, however its too early for him to have this position - i believe he should be a understudy to batting coach - maybe take control in 3-5yrs time.

We dont have many coaches ourselves to consider

 

[Savak]

thanks for informing me about hayden.

regarding the minimum of $500,000-700,000 - the pcb make enough profit to cover this - i do believe the reason being that they don't want to go after a top candidate or a new young emerging candidate - is because they themselves are on too much money and only do a part time job, with many people inside pcb taking a extra ghost salary - as reported in latest report.

I'm happy with saqlain as the head coach, i would be happy with even if we get sangakarra/ jayawardene(batting coach), bowling coach pollock / ian point again

Dont mind moyo as ive heard really good things about him, however its too early for him to have this position - i believe he should be a understudy to batting coach - maybe take control in 3-5yrs time.

We dont have many coaches ourselves to consider

According to reporters, PCB and Phillander could not come to a financial agreement. I believe Phillander asked for too much money vs Tait.

 

[Savak]

thanks for informing me about hayden.

regarding the minimum of $500,000-700,000 - the pcb make enough profit to cover this - i do believe the reason being that they don't want to go after a top candidate or a new young emerging candidate - is because they themselves are on too much money and only do a part time job, with many people inside pcb taking a extra ghost salary - as reported in latest report.

I'm happy with saqlain as the head coach, i would be happy with even if we get sangakarra/ jayawardene(batting coach), bowling coach pollock / ian point again

Dont mind moyo as ive heard really good things about him, however its too early for him to have this position - i believe he should be a understudy to batting coach - maybe take control in 3-5yrs time.

We dont have many coaches ourselves to consider

RR in an interview mentioned that Hayden has expressed his interest in working with the Pakistani team during the T-20 WC in Australia.

 

[shaz619]

Pakistan are in a tough spot with scheduling but as a consequence, their prep is very poor and I wont be shocked if they lose the first Test [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] - you guys are underestimating Australia and in a 3 match series, losing the first could potentially lead to Pak losing altogether and suffering big time on the WTC table.

Only way out currently would be to have some of the lead Test stars to forfeit the second half / final 1/4 of the PSL to play a few 3 days games. Yes it hurts the tournament but it would be best to take that hit because Pak need to do all they can to reach the WTC final when the schedule is favourable and it would be a big boost for the PCB

 

[shaz619]

Winners of the recent WTC received $1.6 mill and the runner up received $800k

 

[Savak]

Pakistan are in a tough spot with scheduling but as a consequence, their prep is very poor and I wont be shocked if they lose the first Test [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] - you guys are underestimating Australia and in a 3 match series, losing the first could potentially lead to Pak losing altogether and suffering big time on the WTC table.

Only way out currently would be to have some of the lead Test stars to forfeit the second half / final 1/4 of the PSL to play a few 3 days games. Yes it hurts the tournament but it would be best to take that hit because Pak need to do all they can to reach the WTC final when the schedule is favourable and it would be a big boost for the PCB

Pulling out the best Pakistani players from the PSL will undermine the PSL and the PCB is desperately trying to raise the profile of the PSL. If you are a quality world class player you can adjust and adapt to any format regardless of turnover time.

Do you think India will pull out their players from the IPL? So many key indian players have delayed surgeries to the end of the IPL.

This is Pakistan's home series and on Pakistani soil. Pakistan already have an advantage. You are over estimating Australia's ability to win in Pakistan, they have struggled in India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and against Pakistan in the UAE. They are not as good outside Australia in the Sub continent as they are in Australia.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Winners of the recent WTC received $1.6 mill and the runner up received $800k

is that it?

 

[finalfantasy7]

According to reporters, PCB and Phillander could not come to a financial agreement. I believe Phillander asked for too much money vs Tait.

yeh im not surprised they said he asked for too much money, already said this to saqlain and then re-hired him = i cant believe the pcb on this occasion

 

[finalfantasy7]

RR in an interview mentioned that Hayden has expressed his interest in working with the Pakistani team during the T-20 WC in Australia.

good to hear Hayden hasn't left on bad terms - however if mayo gets to extends his contract - don't think we shouldn't consult Hayden - it will be undermining moyo

 

[Major]

Not surprising to see you share the same mindset as your idol. Already sulking, crying and throwing your toys out of the pram before the series has even begun i.e. "Because of this and this, we are going to be in real trouble and we cannot win". Good riddance that RR showed this loser his aukaat by kicking him out on his behind as the first step as chairman.

again, plz make a post on the topic of debate..

You fail to come up with any counter argument and have to bring in Misbah....

While i have raised a genuine point to which you cant answer..

 

[Major]

Pakistan are in a tough spot with scheduling but as a consequence, their prep is very poor and I wont be shocked if they lose the first Test [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] - you guys are underestimating Australia and in a 3 match series, losing the first could potentially lead to Pak losing altogether and suffering big time on the WTC table.

Only way out currently would be to have some of the lead Test stars to forfeit the second half / final 1/4 of the PSL to play a few 3 days games. Yes it hurts the tournament but it would be best to take that hit because Pak need to do all they can to reach the WTC final when the schedule is favourable and it would be a big boost for the PCB

exactly, and as home series schdulers, we shouldnt had been facing this issue in the first place.

 

[Maher96]

Guys please refrain from using bad language and getting personal, try stick to the topic.

 

[shaz619]

Pulling out the best Pakistani players from the PSL will undermine the PSL and the PCB is desperately trying to raise the profile of the PSL. If you are a quality world class player you can adjust and adapt to any format regardless of turnover time.

Do you think India will pull out their players from the IPL? So many key indian players have delayed surgeries to the end of the IPL.

This is Pakistan's home series and on Pakistani soil. Pakistan already have an advantage. You are over estimating Australia's ability to win in Pakistan, they have struggled in India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and against Pakistan in the UAE. They are not as good outside Australia in the Sub continent as they are in Australia.

It wont, there is still plenty of star power with the white ball specialists and the brand value of PSL has already seen decent growth in recent years.

India wouldn’t need to do that because their scheduling would never force them into such a scenario. Plenty of players in the past have pulled out of high profile T20 leagues to prepare for a big Test series.

It doesn’t matter if you’re the best thing since Jesus walked on water, you need to prepare adequately and put yourself in the best position possible to adapt to a new format, especially when you’ve not played red ball cricket in a while and while Pak have done ok recently, their stars are still relatively not experienced enough / consistently proven over large sample which suggests to me that they can make a swift adjustment over a short period. Am not over-estimating Australia, any credible pro will not underestimate his opponent, Pak have home advantage so shouldn’t attempt to level the playing field by giving Australia an inch, that could be the difference between a W and a L or a Draw.

 

[shaz619]

exactly, and as home series schdulers, we shouldnt had been facing this issue in the first place.

I get the issue Pak faced with schedule it was hard to avoid but now the players must be instructed to play red ball cricket, they can return for play-offs if it’s a major problem. Tests should take priority, Pak have a realistic path to the WTC with some favourable fixtures, why sabotage this golden opportunity ?

 

[Savak]

Too much fear mongering over an Australian team which has historically been poor in the Sub continent i.e. India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and against Pakistan in the UAE.

 

[Major]

Too much fear mongering over an Australian team which has historically been poor in the Sub continent i.e. India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and against Pakistan in the UAE.

preparation isnt fear mongering... You prepare for world cup, same way this is a wtc series

 

[Goooby]

Odi and t20s should had been held first.

3 days to prepare for test is ridiculous considering the fact that the first test being played in pindi where the team rarely plays

Why give the australian players a chance to settle in to the conditions before playing tests? Tests first works much better for us since our players are familiar with the conditions already. Ideally a bit longer break would be nice but it is busy schedule for the players regardless

 

[cricketerB94]

Home teams should always be prepared? What? THan why do psl teams have camps before the tournament starts?

Maybe because there are different players from different countries in league cricket? And they need to create a bond among themselves before taking the field as a team?

You need to have camps and have proper preparation to adjust to the ball and conditions.

Never heard Australia or England team having a camp for preparation when Pakistan team tours them.

Rameez Raja, a guy who himself was a cricketer, has already messed up this tour.

Correction - Rameez Raja, a guy who himself was a cricketer, knows better than you about cricket.

 

[Major]

Maybe because there are different players from different countries in league cricket? And they need to create a bond among themselves before taking the field as a team?



Never heard Australia or England team having a camp for preparation when Pakistan team tours them.



Correction - Rameez Raja, a guy who himself was a cricketer, knows better than you about cricket.

1. Preperations are done by teams like Australia and England. They dont just wake up and play a different new format all together.

2. Every cricketer that exists and gets discussed on this forum has experience way more than any existing poster on this forum. If thats an argument you would be using, I guess many posters who discuss cricket here would be irrelevent.

 

[cricketerB94]

Regarding tour schedule, it's a right move to play test matches first, because this way way can catch Aussies totally unfamiliar about the conditions. If they play ODIs or T20Is first, they can get a bit used to the conditions and we can lose our home advantage.

Regarding preparation, all the players who are part of test squad are professionals and they are already getting practice everyday. I mean for PSL matches, they are practising almost every day, and then they are getting the occasional match practice too in a more competitive environment. The batters are batting, the bowlers are bowling. What else will they do if we take these players out of PSL? The players who are part of test squad, but not in PSL, I think PCB have already arranged a camp for them, so they can also have some practice. I am not seeing where is the issue in all this arrangement.

 

[cricketerB94]

1. Preperations are done by teams like Australia and England. They dont just wake up and play a different new format all together.

Yes, and they are also being done by Pakistan players. It does not necessarily mean that they do it in a specific camp.

You are over exaggerating the formats here. Practice is for batting and bowling. You have batting sessions and bowling sessions in practice, not T20 sessions, ODI sessions and Test sessions. In the current scenario, the Test squad players who are with PSL teams are also practising batting and bowling every day, and the players who are not part of PSL, I think PCB have arranged a camp for their practice.

 

[Major]

Yes, and they are also being done by Pakistan players. It does not necessarily mean that they do it in a specific camp.

You are over exaggerating the formats here. Practice is for batting and bowling. You have batting sessions and bowling sessions in practice, not T20 sessions, ODI sessions and Test sessions. In the current scenario, the Test squad players who are with PSL teams are also practising batting and bowling every day, and the players who are not part of PSL, I think PCB have arranged a camp for their practice.

t20 and test are two diferent formats.

If they were to play limited overs first, that would had made sense.

Red ball cricket is all together a different game with different skill set. Bowlers play with different line and length and batters adjust the game accordingly.

PCB cant arrange anything as the last psl game takes place, 5 days after the test series start.
If we subtract the finals day and the next day rest, there is only 3 days of preparation time.

You need weeks to be practicing for a format.

This is why having a national coach is important. Last year, if a series was about to start, the coach took the non PSL players and started the trianing... But now our Rameez bhai thinks head coaches are not required, this is an exact situation where a head coach is needed to start the training of non psl players.

Anyways, to please the whiteman, we will do anything...

Lets hope we manage to win the first test.

 

[cricketerB94]

1. Preperations are done by teams like Australia and England. They dont just wake up and play a different new format all together.

2. Every cricketer that exists and gets discussed on this forum has experience way more than any existing poster on this forum. If thats an argument you would be using, I guess many posters who discuss cricket here would be irrelevent.

I know where you are coming from, as I have also seen that video of Misbah where he is complaining about this scheduling, and at the end justifying that we played ODIs in England last year after PSL so the boys did not have gas for more than 20 overs and we lost 3-0 from a totally no-name England team. I think he should justify losing 3-0 to SL C team too when we were number 1 ranked T20 team. And also the tie ODI and lost T20 against Zimbabwe team.

 

[cricketerB94]

t20 and test are two diferent formats.

If they were to play limited overs first, that would had made sense.

Red ball cricket is all together a different game with different skill set. Bowlers play with different line and length and batters adjust the game accordingly.

PCB cant arrange anything as the last psl game takes place, 5 days after the test series start.
If we subtract the finals day and the next day rest, there is only 3 days of preparation time.

You need weeks to be practicing for a format.

This is why having a national coach is important. Last year, if a series was about to start, the coach took the non PSL players and started the trianing... But now our Rameez bhai thinks head coaches are not required, this is an exact situation where a head coach is needed to start the training of non psl players.

Anyways, to please the whiteman, we will do anything...

Lets hope we manage to win the first test.

If they played limited overs first, we would have lost all of our home advantage. And if you think that playing limited overs first can prepare us for test matches, then why can the PSL not do the same?

 

[Snowflake]

Really want the posters here to do a quick fun exercise...

Go to any of your friends, ideally having a decent understanding of the game, and say something like "oh man! What a disastrous reign its been of Ramiz Raja"... and then come back here and tell us how many didn't get looked at as if they were crazy )
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] here has been dragging this thread on on "issues" like lack of preparation time for a home series... a home series that is being being earmarked as historic and was made possible after complex and tedious high-level negotiations and what not...

Another classic one was the PSL broadcasting issue and how it was made out to be this epic failure on PCB/RR's part...only to fizzle out in a matter of days with zero impact on PSL )

Again, best to put this thread to bed as it's being kept alive only due one person's bias for a reason we all know.

 

[Major]

Really want the posters here to do a quick fun exercise...

Go to any of your friends, ideally having a decent understanding of the game, and say something like "oh man! What a disastrous reign its been of Ramiz Raja"... and then come back here and tell us how many didn't get looked at as if they were crazy )
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] here has been dragging this thread on on "issues" like lack of preparation time for a home series... a home series that is being being earmarked as historic and was made possible after complex and tedious high-level negotiations and what not...

Another classic one was the PSL broadcasting issue and how it was made out to be this epic failure on PCB/RR's part...only to fizzle out in a matter of days with zero impact on PSL )

Again, best to put this thread to bed as it's being kept alive only due one person's bias for a reason we all know.

Either you can celebrate a SENA team visiting Pakistan, or focus on winning the WTC..

But when the goal is the former than it shows how bad things are.

 

[Snowflake]

Either you can celebrate a SENA team visiting Pakistan, or focus on winning the WTC..

But when the goal is the former than it shows how bad things are.

We'll of course celebrate when a team visits Pakistan after decades. No harm in doing that.

Yes, the ultimate goal should be winning the big prize but there is no reason not celebrate other, relatively small, wins too.

Didn't you say in the previous page that RR hasn't hosted a full series at home yet? Insinuating that is a failure for him? So, wouldn't hosting a team, that hasn't toured in decades, be worthy of celebration/praise? I am just going by your logic.

 

[Major]

We'll of course celebrate when a team visits Pakistan after decades. No harm in doing that.

Yes, the ultimate goal should be winning the big prize but there is no reason not celebrate other, relatively small, wins too.

Didn't you say in the previous page that RR hasn't hosted a full series at home yet? Insinuating that is a failure for him? So, wouldn't hosting a team, that hasn't toured in decades, be worthy of celebration/praise? I am just going by your logic.

it is indeed a failure that not a single series was played out in Pakistan since he took over.

After 2 series got cancelled and a third one finally being done isn't something for me to celebrate about. The failure rate is higher than success.

Stop making it a point that Australia visiting Pakistan is some sort of a favor. Its not a favor. We have laid over for them in the changing schedules and shifting games to Rawalpindi.

Can Pakistan ever think about asking CA to not have a match played at the Gabba?

This is how ridiculous the whole thing is.

 

[Snowflake]

it is indeed a failure that not a single series was played out in Pakistan since he took over.

After 2 series got cancelled and a third one finally being done isn't something for me to celebrate about. The failure rate is higher than success.

Stop making it a point that Australia visiting Pakistan is some sort of a favor. Its not a favor. We have laid over for them in the changing schedules and shifting games to Rawalpindi.

Can Pakistan ever think about asking CA to not have a match played at the Gabba?

This is how ridiculous the whole thing is.

Yup, hosting a top team that hasn't toured since decades isn't an achievement... I would've loved to see these lofty standards from you during the previous regimes. Australia hasn't even considered touring Pakistan for several years, and the fact that it is happening now proves that this regime did something right to make that happen. You know it, but obviously wouldn't agree.

Now, who said that it is a favor of any sorts? No need to make things up. Australia has been ignoring Pak tours and have never been held accountable. PCB had been getting easily rolled over without a word all these years until RR showed these boards a mirror by telling them of their hypocrisy. We already had the ECB chief head over for damage control, ECB promptly reschedule the series and then Aus committing to the full tour... so yeah, credit where its due but no one is calling this a favor.

Again, if failure to host due to COVID is, albeit by a ridiculous logic, on RR's head... then this tour is on his head to. Stay consistent with your own logic.

Let's first get in a position to consistently host top teams, then we can think about logistics. Again, your lofty standards only apply when RR/PCB does something right... but when there is an opportunity to criticize, even a non-issue like PSL's broadcasting hiccup becomes gigantic )

 

[cricketerB94]

Stop making it a point that Australia visiting Pakistan is some sort of a favor. Its not a favor. We have laid over for them in the changing schedules and shifting games to Rawalpindi.

Can Pakistan ever think about asking CA to not have a match played at the Gabba?

This is how ridiculous the whole thing is.

Terrorism has been the issue in Pakistan, no Australia.

A cricket team was directly attacked in Pakistan, not Australia.

Yes, Australia is doing a big favor to Pakistan by coming here with a strong team. And yes, they have the right to choose the venues and schedule according to their own comfort.

 

[Major]

Terrorism has been the issue in Pakistan, no Australia.

A cricket team was directly attacked in Pakistan, not Australia.

Yes, Australia is doing a big favor to Pakistan by coming here with a strong team. And yes, they have the right to choose the venues and schedule according to their own comfort.

no they dont.

Terrorism is not an issue in Sindh and Punjab and to some extent KPK aswell. If you have lived here you would know.

It was never about a cricket team getting attacked. People get mistaken with that point.

The issue was/is law and order. Pakistan did not have law and order at the time. Attacks can happen anywhere in the world, but where law and order is maintain those places are considered to be safe.

 

[Savak]

Misbah PTSD. The OP needs help. Its been 4 and a half months now and he is still not over it and is out for RR's blood.

 

[Forum363]

I'm glad we have threads like this because it reminds us of the horror that was Misbah's tenure.

For all the negatives that RR does, his one act of getting rid of Misbah/ Waqar will far outweigh it.