The fear of losing, self preservation mindset in Pakistan Cricket

[Savak]

Ramiz so far has proven to be all talk with his fearless, aggressive cricket DNA especially when he admitted that he ordered the curator to prepare dull tracks for this series.

This Australian tour is now exposing that our team can't take wickets with the new ball on these surfaces, our spinners cannot maintain any pressure, bowl wicket taking deliveries in the middle and the Australian batsmen have shown that they have the technique to score fast on Pakistani wickets and to negate any spin, reverse swing Pakistani pacers dish out.

It is clear we will go 1-0 down to Lahore. How about rolling the dice and preparing a green wicket and therefore giving your own bowlers an equal chance?

 

[adzzy786]

The only issue is it takes 5-6 months to prepare a wicket. Can’t do it over night

 

[NishanKonar]

A green wicket will mean 2-0 for Australia. If Pakistan cannot play Starc and Cummins on a slow pitch , what chance will they have on a green wicket

Better chance will be a spinning pitch an hope ur spinners out bowl Lyon and Sewpson

 

[Savak]

A green wicket will mean 2-0 for Australia. If Pakistan cannot play Starc and Cummins on a slow pitch , what chance will they have on a green wicket

Better chance will be a spinning pitch an hope ur spinners out bowl Lyon and Sewpson

Based on what I have seen from the spinners, we don't have quality spinners to trouble the Australians who prepared to tackle any Pakistani spin and reverse swing threat.

However you cannot prepare for a green wicket. On a green wicket both teams are equal and wickets lost will be faster, best bet for Pakistan to roll the dice and prepare a green wicket.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Look at india, SL and Bangladesh they all produce sporting wickets at home to suit spinners or allow for reverse swing for pacers when they play SENA teams. In indias case they do it against everyone.

Then its a case of backing your players to performer better than opposition in these conditions. instead we have nullified are own bowlers and allowed Aussies to bully us. coward mentality.

Look at bowlers we had in UAE in 2014 or 2018, were they better than Aussies on paper? No but we gave them a chance to enjoy conditions.

Better to lose odd test on a sporting wicket as you can still maybe draw 1-1 or 2-1. Instead we have produced garbage cricket with no game plans.

A deserved humiliation here.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Based on what I have seen from the spinners, we don't have quality spinners to trouble the Australians who prepared to tackle any Pakistani spin and reverse swing threat.

However you cannot prepare for a green wicket. On a green wicket both teams are equal and wickets lost will be faster, best bet for Pakistan to roll the dice and prepare a green wicket.

A green wicket will be toss heavy. who ever wins toss will bowl 1st. Then we get sun drying the pitch and it becomes flat. we saw this in 2003 in 2nd and 3rd tests vs India.

stupid idea. we need wickets like we got vs SA. instead Ramiz has instructed curators to be cowards.

 

[Buffet]

Look at india, SL and Bangladesh they all produce sporting wickets at home to suit spinners or allow for reverse swing for pacers when they play SENA teams. In indias case they do it against everyone.

Then its a case of backing your players to performer better than opposition in these conditions. instead we have nullified are own bowlers and allowed Aussies to bully us. coward mentality.

Look at bowlers we had in UAE in 2014 or 2018, were they better than Aussies on paper? No but we gave them a chance to enjoy conditions.

Better to lose odd test on a sporting wicket as you can still maybe draw 1-1 or 2-1. Instead we have produced garbage cricket with no game plans.

A deserved humiliation here.

+1

Pakistan should back their spinners and pacers to do the job with spin/reverse and give them a pitch that helps them in doing so. If you still get outplayed by visiting team then you say well played and try to do better. At least you gave yourself a chance to do well.

The entire idea of putting a flat road to avoid losing is not helpful. I am not sure why so many posters are treating Lyon as if he is Murali. He is a good spinner, but not Murali. Have turning tracks to back your spinners.

 

[Savak]

+1

Pakistan should back their spinners and pacers to do the job with spin/reverse and give them a pitch that helps them in doing so. If you still get outplayed by visiting team then you say well played and try to do better. At least you gave yourself a chance to do well.

The entire idea of putting a flat road to avoid losing is not helpful. I am not sure why so many posters are treating Lyon as if he is Murali. He is a good spinner, but not Murali. Have turning tracks to back your spinners.

Based on what I have seen, our spinners are not good enough, you give them a turning track and Australians will still counter them.

Likewise Australia has also come prepared for reverse swing. They know in these conditions, the best time to bat is from overs 1-40 before the ball starts to spin and reverse which is why they score at 4-5 runs per over in that time period and then bat with a tight defence when the ball is reversing and gripping.

The only choice Pakistan has is to prepare a green wicket where both sides have an equal opportunity

 

[Buffet]

Based on what I have seen, our spinners are not good enough, you give them a turning track and Australians will still counter them.

Likewise Australia has also come prepared for reverse swing. They know in these conditions, the best time to bat is from overs 1-40 before the ball starts to spin and reverse which is why they score at 4-5 runs per over in that time period and then bat with a tight defence when the ball is reversing and gripping.

The only choice Pakistan has is to prepare a green wicket where both sides have an equal opportunity

They batted fast to give themselves more time to bowl out Pakistan. They are not batting fast thinking about reverse coming into play later. At this score, they don't care about reverse or anything. Aus just need to score fast and that's what they are doing.

Pakistan is probably the least equipped team to take advantage of the green track. New ball skills are lower than most teams. Why will you put a green track?

 

[Buffet]

I am not saying put a turning track which becomes a lottery. Just a track with enough turn. Don't put pitch where the bounce is so low that first spell edges are not going to the keeper.

Basically don't try to put dead pitches to avoid a loss. Play for a win and if you lose then it's fine.

 

[cricketerB94]

Isn't this the issue that happened this whole FC season? The wickets were too flat and the betters were scoring a lot of runs?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Based on what I have seen, our spinners are not good enough, you give them a turning track and Australians will still counter them.

Likewise Australia has also come prepared for reverse swing. They know in these conditions, the best time to bat is from overs 1-40 before the ball starts to spin and reverse which is why they score at 4-5 runs per over in that time period and then bat with a tight defence when the ball is reversing and gripping.

The only choice Pakistan has is to prepare a green wicket where both sides have an equal opportunity

You keep harping on about a green wicket and equal opportunities, have you ever seen a green wicket provide assistance across 5 days in pakistan? it doesnt. It helps the team who wins the toss and bowls 1st. After 50 overs or so all the juices dries up and it becomes flat. so how is that a level playing field. Zero common sense! we saw ideal wickets vs SL and SA which were very dry and abrasive, are skiddier bowlers enjoyed them surfaces and then pitch took turn from day 3 onwards.

 

[CricVet]

Indian wickets are sporting? In what world? LOL!
Those are as shameful 3rd class craters on the moon wickets which produce results since they have batsmen who can bat on them and bowles who can do their job.

 

[Zaz]

Horrible wkt and more so the players mentality The batters have bottled it seeing aus rack up 500

Shameful performance All they had to do was bat decently snd we wouldve drawn this test but they chucked the towel in Ridiculous

 

[Energy]

Pakistan should stick to playing in UAE. The lack of crowd and dull atmosphere gives these midgets confidence and they feel less burden of expectation.

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistan seemed quite defensive/negative in the whole series. Quite surprising.

They seemed much more confident when they faced Aussies in UAE last time.

 

[TheSultan]

I keep hearing a lot of pundits mention this phrase when trying to explain Pakistan’s slow batting. Is this true? Or is this oversimplistic?

For me, there may be an element of that for some of the newer players. But for a lot of the more experienced ones especially Rizwan, Babar - it’s not fear of failure, it’s that there are no consequences for failure.

They have failed again and again. What are the consequences? Nothing, just “carry on - one day it will resolve itself”.

If somebody tries to change things, you’re out.

Just keep playing, keep playing your friends, who’s going to challenge you?

Even now, even now, Pakistani analysts are saying everything but are still reluctant to name them.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I keep hearing a lot of pundits mention this phrase when trying to explain Pakistan’s slow batting. Is this true? Or is this oversimplistic?

For me, there may be an element of that for some of the newer players. But for a lot of the more experienced ones especially Rizwan, Babar - it’s not fear of failure, it’s that there are no consequences for failure.

They have failed again and again. What are the consequences? Nothing, just “carry on - one day it will resolve itself”.

If somebody tries to change things, you’re out.

Just keep playing, keep playing your friends, who’s going to challenge you?

Even now, even now, Pakistani analysts are saying everything but are still reluctant to name them.

It is fear of failure.

Fear of losing out on a match losing fifty that maintains your average and your ranking.

Fear of how the PR team will struggle to spin the narrative if they can’t get that match losing fifty that makes you standout on the scorecard, no matter if team gets stranded nowhere.

 

[shariqnoor]

Why would there be no fear of failure? The whole system is designed in a way to keep players under pressure.

You played Irfan Niazi throughout in the hope that he will become your finisher. He played according to the situation by trying to hit out every ball as he should've. He failed in some, he succeeded in some. Then you suddenly dropped him for Khushdil Shah, a TTF. So what do you think will happen to Irfan Niazi next time he gets a chance in the team? He will absolutely play for his own 50 so that he remains in the team. It's 100% natural. You have created fear of failure yourself.

 

[Rana]

Why would there be no fear of failure? The whole system is designed in a way to keep players under pressure.

You played Irfan Niazi throughout in the hope that he will become your finisher. He played according to the situation by trying to hit out every ball as he should've. He failed in some, he succeeded in some. Then you suddenly dropped him for Khushdil Shah, a TTF. So what do you think will happen to Irfan Niazi next time he gets a chance in the team? He will absolutely play for his own 50 so that he remains in the team. It's 100% natural. You have created fear of failure yourself.

That’s fine

But is Karachi Kings toxic anymore?