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https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2019-02-13/first-rafale-handed-over-qatar

The first Dassault Rafale for Qatar was ceremonially handed over at Dassault’s Merignac facility on Feb. 6, 2019. The ceremony was attended by a host of VIPs, including Qatar’s Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of State for Defence Affairs, HE Dr Khalid bin Mohamed al-Attiyah, Qatar's Ambassador to France, Sheikh Ali bin Jassim al-Thani, Staff Major General (Pilot) Mubarak bin Mohamed Al Khayareen, Commander of the Qatar Amiri Air Force, and Staff Brigadier General (Engineer Air) Mohamed Mubarak al-Shahwani, as well as Geneviève Darrieussecq, Secretary of State to the French Minister of the Armed Forces, and Dassault Aviation chairman and CEO, Eric Trappier.

Qatar’s purchase of the Rafale follows on from earlier acquisitions of the Dassault Mirage F1, Alpha Jet, and Mirage 2000. “For the fourth time in our long and trustful partnership with Qatar, a Dassault Aviation aircraft will serve proudly in the Qatari Amiri Air Force,” said Trappier. “This first delivery is the culmination of a relationship started more than 40 years ago and I am very pleased and grateful that once again the State of Qatar has renewed its confidence in our dedication and confirmed not once, but twice, the choice of the Rafale to protect its land and people.”

During the ceremony, the new Qatari Rafale squadron was named "Al Adyiyat" after a Surah in the Koran, and a new squadron badge (a stylised Arab stallion’s head) was unveiled on the Rafale’s tailfin. During their visit, the Qatari Deputy PM and Amiri Air Force commander flew on board an Armée de l’Air Airbus A330 MRTT to watch Qatari Rafale pilots practicing air-to-air refueling.

Qatar signed a €6.3 billion agreement for the purchase of 24 Rafales (six of them two-seat trainers) in May 2015. A dozen more aircraft were added to the order in December 2017. Qatar’s Rafales differ in detail from those delivered to France and Egypt, and integration of the Lockheed Martin Sniper targeting pod and Elbit Systems TARGO-II helmet-mounted target designation system required extensive testing.

Qatar's Rafales are being supplied with a range of advanced weaponry, along with the Sniper advanced targeting pod.

The first Rafale DQ for Qatar, a two-seater, made its first flight on June 28, 2016, while the single-seat Rafale EQ flew for the first time on March 27, 2017. The aircraft are being supplied with MBDA MICA IR, MICA EM, and Meteor air-to-air missiles and with MBDA SCALP-EG cruise missiles and a range of air-to-ground weapons, including laser- and GPS-guided Safran AASM (Armement Air-Sol Modulaire) Hammer missiles.

Qatari personnel will be trained at Base Aérienne 118 Mont-de-Marsan in southwestern France, Rochefort, and the Joint Intelligence Training Institute in Strasbourg. The first batch of pilots trained for Qatar in November 2017 were Pakistani exchange officers. Escadron de Chasse 04.030 was established at Mont-de-Marsan as the Qatar Rafale Squadron on Oct. 1, 2017. The Amir of Qatar, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al Thani, visited the Qatari Rafale Squadron at Mont-de-Marsan on July 6, 2018, accompanied by French defense minister Florence Parly.

Under the SOUTEX program the Armee de l’Air is training 250 personnel who will man the first Qatari Rafale squadron. This unit will initially be commanded by a French officer until later this year when command will be transferred to a Qatari officer before the unit transfers to Qatar in the summer of 2020.
 
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I mean this is just next level trolling if true.
*chefs kiss*
 
Oh man rafale will be master by paf pilot before india do buy it😂😂 .Excellent news for pakistan
 
as some one said, "Pick the jet on your own choosing, the result will be the same "...
 
Lol. Pilots of most airforce fly aircrafts of other airforce during exchange. Why is this a surprise?
 
So when we shoot it down we can fly it too



Epic trolling :yk
 
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Firstly, it’s no big deal.
HOWEVER,
1 - for a government claiming absolute secrecy on terms of sale for shoddy reasons to see basic information of the terms of the deal so easily available, it should raise suspicion if your press it truly independent
2 - the folks that should truly hang their heads in shame are members of India’s natsec press who are cosplaying as experts. This article is 3 months old. Also Pakistan’s involvement in working with some of the regions air forces is well known. The fact that they are making a big deal about it tells you all you need to know about their credibility and their pedigree
 
modi ji, since Pakistani ppl are so generous, and kind hearted, Boley toh, apun tunharay abhinandan ko rafale par training dainay ko tiyaar hai, aur haan tipaal danedaar chai bhi pilaye ga baad mein... kya bolta...
 
MosheD said:
So juvenile lol. I guess small things make you happy, which is not a bad thing..
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Reading your PM manifesto for election campaign.this is not even small he uses tiny words against pakistan to divert general people attention.
 
Pakistan Pilots Trained To Fly Rafales? Report Raises Worry For India

Pakistani pilots being exposed to the Rafale platform could be problematic for the Indian Air Force, which receives its first Rafale jets in September this year
NEW DELHI: India-based executives of Dassault Aviation, the French manufacturer of the Rafale fighter jet being procured by India in a euro 7.8 billion deal, have told NDTV that they are not aware of Pakistani exchange pilots having been trained in France to fly the Rafales of the Qatar Air Force, the first of which was handed over in February.
The request for a clarification (also sent to Dassault's corporate headquarters) comes after ainonline.com, an independent media firm which focusses on the aviation sector, reported that "the first batch of pilots trained for Qatar in November 2017 were Pakistani exchange officers." According to Jon Lake, the author of the piece, "Escadron de Chasse 04.030 was established at Mont-de-Marsan as the Qatar Rafale Squadron on Oct. 1, 2017."

Qatar took the delivery of its first Rafale at Dassault's Merignac facility on February 6. In a press statement, Dassault had said Qatar had signed up for 24 Rafale fighters in May 2015. In December 2017, it ordered an additional 12 fighters. The deal for the first 24 fighters is valued at euro 6.3 billion.

Pakistani military personnel have been deputed to operate with the armed forces of several Middle Eastern countries for decades. Pakistan has also received military hardware from partner nations including Jordan, which has supplied Islamabad with 13 additional F-16 A/B fighters, some of which may have been used by the Pakistan Air Force during its failed attack on Indian military targets along the Line of Control on February 27.

In January 2018, the Pakistani news portal www.thenews.com.pk reported the visit of the Commander of the Qatar Emiri Air Force to the Pakistan Air Force Headquarters in Islamabad. Pakistan's Air Chief reportedly "offered support and cooperation in the field of aviation and military training" to his counterpart.
Pakistani pilots being exposed to the Rafale platform could be problematic for the Indian Air Force, which receives its first Rafale jets in September this year.

Though the Indian Air Force has heavily customised the jet it is acquiring with 14 "India-specific upgrades," the heart of the aircraft remains its Thales built RBE-2 AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) radar. Qatari Rafales have received the same radar.

The RBE-2 allows pilots to accurately track and target multiple adversaries in the air, on the ground and out at sea. In being trained on the RBE-2, Pakistani pilots will know the precise ranges at which the system can be used by Indian Air Force pilots once its Rafales are operational.

"They would understand the various modes, the look up, look down, compatibility," says Anshuman Mainkar, a former Indian Air Force MiG-27 pilot with more than a decade of experience in flying combat aircraft. "They will know how the weapon system works, and how resistant it is to being jammed."

Similarly, both aircraft are equipped with a cutting edge defensive suite called SPECTRA (Systeme de Protection et d'Evitement des Conduites de Tir du Rafale ) which allows fighters on the Rafale to detect, identify and counter threats posed by enemy aircraft that may be targeting them. By understanding how SPECTRA works, and the limits of the system, Pakistani Air Force pilots will be in a position to evolve tactics to defeat the system.
pdated: April 11, 2019 10:24 IST

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Pakistan Pilots Trained To Fly Rafales? Report Raises Worry For India
Qatari military personnel receive the first Qatar Air Force Rafale in February this year


NEW DELHI: India-based executives of Dassault Aviation, the French manufacturer of the Rafale fighter jet being procured by India in a euro 7.8 billion deal, have told NDTV that they are not aware of Pakistani exchange pilots having been trained in France to fly the Rafales of the Qatar Air Force, the first of which was handed over in February.
The request for a clarification (also sent to Dassault's corporate headquarters) comes after ainonline.com, an independent media firm which focusses on the aviation sector, reported that "the first batch of pilots trained for Qatar in November 2017 were Pakistani exchange officers." According to Jon Lake, the author of the piece, "Escadron de Chasse 04.030 was established at Mont-de-Marsan as the Qatar Rafale Squadron on Oct. 1, 2017."

Qatar took the delivery of its first Rafale at Dassault's Merignac facility on February 6. In a press statement, Dassault had said Qatar had signed up for 24 Rafale fighters in May 2015. In December 2017, it ordered an additional 12 fighters. The deal for the first 24 fighters is valued at euro 6.3 billion.

Pakistani military personnel have been deputed to operate with the armed forces of several Middle Eastern countries for decades. Pakistan has also received military hardware from partner nations including Jordan, which has supplied Islamabad with 13 additional F-16 A/B fighters, some of which may have been used by the Pakistan Air Force during its failed attack on Indian military targets along the Line of Control on February 27.

In January 2018, the Pakistani news portal www.thenews.com.pk reported the visit of the Commander of the Qatar Emiri Air Force to the Pakistan Air Force Headquarters in Islamabad. Pakistan's Air Chief reportedly "offered support and cooperation in the field of aviation and military training" to his counterpart.

66ioout
Both Qatari and Indian Air Force Rafales are equipped with the Meteor ultra long-range air-to-air missiles

Pakistani pilots being exposed to the Rafale platform could be problematic for the Indian Air Force, which receives its first Rafale jets in September this year.

Though the Indian Air Force has heavily customised the jet it is acquiring with 14 "India-specific upgrades," the heart of the aircraft remains its Thales built RBE-2 AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) radar. Qatari Rafales have received the same radar.

The RBE-2 allows pilots to accurately track and target multiple adversaries in the air, on the ground and out at sea. In being trained on the RBE-2, Pakistani pilots will know the precise ranges at which the system can be used by Indian Air Force pilots once its Rafales are operational.

"They would understand the various modes, the look up, look down, compatibility," says Anshuman Mainkar, a former Indian Air Force MiG-27 pilot with more than a decade of experience in flying combat aircraft. "They will know how the weapon system works, and how resistant it is to being jammed."

Similarly, both aircraft are equipped with a cutting edge defensive suite called SPECTRA (Systeme de Protection et d'Evitement des Conduites de Tir du Rafale ) which allows fighters on the Rafale to detect, identify and counter threats posed by enemy aircraft that may be targeting them. By understanding how SPECTRA works, and the limits of the system, Pakistani Air Force pilots will be in a position to evolve tactics to defeat the system.

By flying the Rafale, Pakistani Air Force pilots "would have understood how well it handles, how its systems work, and how they are integrated." At the same time, Dassault needs to elaborate on the role of the exchange pilots, says Mainkar. "What were they there for? What was the purpose of the exchange?"

As significantly, both Qatari and Indian Air Force Rafales are equipped with the Meteor ultra long-range air-to-air missiles. This is one of the primary weapons of the jet and can be used to engage airborne targets more than 100 kilometres away. While it is unlikely that any Pakistani pilots have test-fired the Meteor, they would have been trained on the parameters within which the missile can be successfully launched to ensure a high hit-probability. This knowledge, if transferred to Pakistan Air Force pilots, would give them the opportunity to stay within a safe envelope to defeat the IAF's Meteors.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/wer...ained-to-fly-rafale-fighters-in-qatar-2021283
 
saeed5646 said:
Pakistani pilots being exposed to the Rafale platform could be problematic for the Indian Air Force, which receives its first Rafale jets in September this year

NEW DELHI: India-based executives of Dassault Aviation, the French manufacturer of the Rafale fighter jet being procured by India in a euro 7.8 billion deal, have told NDTV that they are not aware of Pakistani exchange pilots having been trained in France to fly the Rafales of the Qatar Air Force, the first of which was handed over in February.

The request for a clarification (also sent to Dassault's corporate headquarters) comes after ainonline.com, an independent media firm which focusses on the aviation sector, reported that "the first batch of pilots trained for Qatar in November 2017 were Pakistani exchange officers." According to Jon Lake, the author of the piece, "Escadron de Chasse 04.030 was established at Mont-de-Marsan as the Qatar Rafale Squadron on Oct. 1, 2017."

Qatar took the delivery of its first Rafale at Dassault's Merignac facility on February 6. In a press statement, Dassault had said Qatar had signed up for 24 Rafale fighters in May 2015. In December 2017, it ordered an additional 12 fighters. The deal for the first 24 fighters is valued at euro 6.3 billion.

Pakistani military personnel have been deputed to operate with the armed forces of several Middle Eastern countries for decades. Pakistan has also received military hardware from partner nations including Jordan, which has supplied Islamabad with 13 additional F-16 A/B fighters, some of which may have been used by the Pakistan Air Force during its failed attack on Indian military targets along the Line of Control on February 27.

In January 2018, the Pakistani news portal www.thenews.com.pk reported the visit of the Commander of the Qatar Emiri Air Force to the Pakistan Air Force Headquarters in Islamabad. Pakistan's Air Chief reportedly "offered support and cooperation in the field of aviation and military training" to his counterpart.
Pakistani pilots being exposed to the Rafale platform could be problematic for the Indian Air Force, which receives its first Rafale jets in September this year.

Though the Indian Air Force has heavily customised the jet it is acquiring with 14 "India-specific upgrades," the heart of the aircraft remains its Thales built RBE-2 AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) radar. Qatari Rafales have received the same radar.

The RBE-2 allows pilots to accurately track and target multiple adversaries in the air, on the ground and out at sea. In being trained on the RBE-2, Pakistani pilots will know the precise ranges at which the system can be used by Indian Air Force pilots once its Rafales are operational.

"They would understand the various modes, the look up, look down, compatibility," says Anshuman Mainkar, a former Indian Air Force MiG-27 pilot with more than a decade of experience in flying combat aircraft. "They will know how the weapon system works, and how resistant it is to being jammed."

Similarly, both aircraft are equipped with a cutting edge defensive suite called SPECTRA (Systeme de Protection et d'Evitement des Conduites de Tir du Rafale ) which allows fighters on the Rafale to detect, identify and counter threats posed by enemy aircraft that may be targeting them. By understanding how SPECTRA works, and the limits of the system, Pakistani Air Force pilots will be in a position to evolve tactics to defeat the system.
pdated: April 11, 2019 10:24 IST


Qatari military personnel receive the first Qatar Air Force Rafale in February this year


NEW DELHI: India-based executives of Dassault Aviation, the French manufacturer of the Rafale fighter jet being procured by India in a euro 7.8 billion deal, have told NDTV that they are not aware of Pakistani exchange pilots having been trained in France to fly the Rafales of the Qatar Air Force, the first of which was handed over in February.
The request for a clarification (also sent to Dassault's corporate headquarters) comes after ainonline.com, an independent media firm which focusses on the aviation sector, reported that "the first batch of pilots trained for Qatar in November 2017 were Pakistani exchange officers." According to Jon Lake, the author of the piece, "Escadron de Chasse 04.030 was established at Mont-de-Marsan as the Qatar Rafale Squadron on Oct. 1, 2017."

Qatar took the delivery of its first Rafale at Dassault's Merignac facility on February 6. In a press statement, Dassault had said Qatar had signed up for 24 Rafale fighters in May 2015. In December 2017, it ordered an additional 12 fighters. The deal for the first 24 fighters is valued at euro 6.3 billion.

Pakistani military personnel have been deputed to operate with the armed forces of several Middle Eastern countries for decades. Pakistan has also received military hardware from partner nations including Jordan, which has supplied Islamabad with 13 additional F-16 A/B fighters, some of which may have been used by the Pakistan Air Force during its failed attack on Indian military targets along the Line of Control on February 27.

In January 2018, the Pakistani news portal www.thenews.com.pk reported the visit of the Commander of the Qatar Emiri Air Force to the Pakistan Air Force Headquarters in Islamabad. Pakistan's Air Chief reportedly "offered support and cooperation in the field of aviation and military training" to his counterpart.

66ioout
Both Qatari and Indian Air Force Rafales are equipped with the Meteor ultra long-range air-to-air missiles

Pakistani pilots being exposed to the Rafale platform could be problematic for the Indian Air Force, which receives its first Rafale jets in September this year.

Though the Indian Air Force has heavily customised the jet it is acquiring with 14 "India-specific upgrades," the heart of the aircraft remains its Thales built RBE-2 AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) radar. Qatari Rafales have received the same radar.

The RBE-2 allows pilots to accurately track and target multiple adversaries in the air, on the ground and out at sea. In being trained on the RBE-2, Pakistani pilots will know the precise ranges at which the system can be used by Indian Air Force pilots once its Rafales are operational.

"They would understand the various modes, the look up, look down, compatibility," says Anshuman Mainkar, a former Indian Air Force MiG-27 pilot with more than a decade of experience in flying combat aircraft. "They will know how the weapon system works, and how resistant it is to being jammed."

Similarly, both aircraft are equipped with a cutting edge defensive suite called SPECTRA (Systeme de Protection et d'Evitement des Conduites de Tir du Rafale ) which allows fighters on the Rafale to detect, identify and counter threats posed by enemy aircraft that may be targeting them. By understanding how SPECTRA works, and the limits of the system, Pakistani Air Force pilots will be in a position to evolve tactics to defeat the system.

By flying the Rafale, Pakistani Air Force pilots "would have understood how well it handles, how its systems work, and how they are integrated." At the same time, Dassault needs to elaborate on the role of the exchange pilots, says Mainkar. "What were they there for? What was the purpose of the exchange?"

As significantly, both Qatari and Indian Air Force Rafales are equipped with the Meteor ultra long-range air-to-air missiles. This is one of the primary weapons of the jet and can be used to engage airborne targets more than 100 kilometres away. While it is unlikely that any Pakistani pilots have test-fired the Meteor, they would have been trained on the parameters within which the missile can be successfully launched to ensure a high hit-probability. This knowledge, if transferred to Pakistan Air Force pilots, would give them the opportunity to stay within a safe envelope to defeat the IAF's Meteors.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/wer...ained-to-fly-rafale-fighters-in-qatar-2021283
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LOL at failed attack :)))
 
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NEW DELHI: The Ambassador of France to New Delhi has denied that Pakistani pilots were trained to fly the Rafale aircraft for the Qatari Air Force.

This clarification comes after ainonline.com, an independent media firm which focusses on the aviation sector reported that "the first batch of pilots trained for Qatar in November 2017 were Pakistani exchange officers." According to Jon Lake, the author of the piece, "Escadron de Chasse 04.030 was established at Mont-de-Marsan as the Qatar Rafale Squadron on Oct. 1, 2017."

Referring to the ainonline.com story, Ambassador Alexandre Ziegler has said, "I can confirm that it is fake news." French government sources have told NDTV that they have cross-checked details of this article.

Qatar took delivery of its first Rafale at Dassault's Merignac facility on February 6 this year. In a press statement, Dassault had said Qatar had signed up for 24 Rafale fighters in May 2015. In December 2017, it ordered an additional 12 fighters. The deal for the first 24 fighters is valued at euro 6.3 billion.

Pakistani military personnel have been deputed to operate with the armed forces of several Middle Eastern countries for decades. Pakistan has also received military hardware from partner nations, including Jordan which has supplied Islamabad with 13 additional F-16 A/B fighters, some of which may have been used by the PAF during its attacks on Indian military targets along the Line of Control on February 27.

In January 2018, the Pakistani news portal www.thenews.com.pk reported the visit of the Commander of the Qatar Emiri Air Force to Pakistan Air Force Headquarters in Islamabad. Pakistan's Air Chief reportedly "offered support and cooperation in the field of aviation and military training" to his counterpart.

This article will be updated if Dassault Aviation, France, chooses to issue a statement or clarification on the report carried by ainonline.com.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/wer...ighters-in-qatar-2021283?pfrom=home-topscroll
 
So France has officially denied this. Choti choti khushiyan bhi nahi mili kuch logon ko.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
The guy literally just said 'That is fake news'. What parts of it?
There's another article dated 2016 which confirms it too.
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The Ambassador of France to New Delhi has denied that Pakistani pilots were trained to fly the Rafale aircraft for the Qatari Air Force.


Read the article above.
 
Since France has officially denied it... I assume bhangra is over!!!!

And some people accuse India for fake news and conspiracy theories!!
 
cricketjoshila said:
The Ambassador of France to New Delhi has denied that Pakistani pilots were trained to fly the Rafale aircraft for the Qatari Air Force.


Read the article above.
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Mate. The guy just said it's fake. The indian news agency added that part. He never specified what part is fake.
 
OneTip-OneHand said:
Since France has officially denied it... I assume bhangra is over!!!!

And some people accuse India for fake news and conspiracy theories!!
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The news isn't even from pakistan. It was written by an international company and it was written on 13 Feb. Pakistanis were the first exchange pilots to fly it wasn't even the main point. The headline was something else. It was a small sentence near the end. There's no reason it would be a lie.
 
"This is fake news," French ambassador, Alexandre Ziegler officially denied that Pakistani Air Force pilots were trained on Rafale jets.


What part of it unclear?
 
Ronaldo7 said:
The news isn't even from pakistan. It was written by an international company and it was written on 13 Feb. Pakistanis were the first exchange pilots to fly it wasn't even the main point. The headline was something else. It was a small sentence near the end. There's no reason it would be a lie.
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I didn’t say it was from Pakistan. The world is full of fake news. But the thing is People including you were so happy with an unverified piece of news.
 
OneTip-OneHand said:
May be yes. Because after the official denial from the French Ambassador, those 4 sentences don’t make any sense.
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What doesn't make sense?
That the pakistani exchange pilots wasn't even the main point? The main point was about Qatar not pakistani exchange pilots. It's a logical question. Why would they lie about pakistani pilots which only makes up 2 sentences of the whole article?
 
I dont get it, whats the big deal ? India doesnt own the world, if Qatar lets Pakistani pilot fly their Rafale's India cant whinge about it......... Even if they did train on the Rafale that doesnt mean it is a threat to India, whatever jets Pak has in their airforce are no match for the Rafales anyway in a combat scenario... Waste of time, bunch of whingers Indians...
 
Romali_rotti said:
I dont get it, whats the big deal ? India doesnt own the world, if Qatar lets Pakistani pilot fly their Rafale's India cant whinge about it......... Even if they did train on the Rafale that doesnt mean it is a threat to India, whatever jets Pak has in their airforce are no match for the Rafales anyway in a combat scenario... Waste of time, bunch of whingers Indians...
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Sorry....O...knowledgeable one!!!!

Didn’t know highlighting the truth was whinging while doing bhangra over a fake news was fine!!!
 
OneTip-OneHand said:
Sorry....O...knowledgeable one!!!!

Didn’t know highlighting the truth was whinging while doing bhangra over a fake news was fine!!!
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Coming from an Indian who can't accept truths which the whole world is accepting........... Irony just died here billion times :)))

(Em not talking about above article though)
 
OneTip-OneHand said:
Sorry....O...knowledgeable one!!!!

Didn’t know highlighting the truth was whinging while doing bhangra over a fake news was fine!!!
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Let me educate you, whether the news was fake or not is the issue. Even if the Qatar Rafale incident took place, Indians would be whinging over a non issue, so it makes no difference.... Indians just need to Whinge, Whinge, Whinge, and more Whinge.... Now that you have been enlightened by the knowledgeable one, drink from the fountain of knowledge I give you rather than gargle.
 
I am sure the Pilots' bio data was transferred to France prior to the training that they were born in Qatar.
 
Romali_rotti said:
I dont get it, whats the big deal ? India doesnt own the world, if Qatar lets Pakistani pilot fly their Rafale's India cant whinge about it......... Even if they did train on the Rafale that doesnt mean it is a threat to India, whatever jets Pak has in their airforce are no match for the Rafales anyway in a combat scenario... Waste of time, bunch of whingers Indians...
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Perfectly put, Pakistans celebrating it are immature as well. Whats the celebration in driving someone else's fighter jet? Its not like Qatar is gonna lend us Rafales.

However, that being said, that probably does gives PAF pilots an inside out knowledge of the Rafale.
 
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