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ICC World Cup 2023: Netherland (245/8) beat in-form South Africa (207 all out) by 38 runs to win their first match of the tournament

apnapind said:
Bro does pak have a chance now to make semis?
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this win opens up for every one. Pak has a good chance, but is yet to play against SENA teams. All the SENA players have more experience playing in India than Pak. They also will enjoy flatter pitches more than Pak. Pak chances will be in Chennai against SA, but it also has to face AFG there. so it is going to be challenging, but this win has made it a bit easier as it can potentially open up two slots in place of only one.. good luck
 
SA made sure the legacy from Edgbaston 99 to Cape Town 03 to Mirpur 2011 to Auckand 15 to now Dharamshala 2023 will remember in their folkfore
 

Dutch Delight: Netherlands register famous victory against South Africa​


The Netherlands have caused one of the biggest upsets in the history of the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup with an emphatic 38-run triumph over South Africa in Dharamsala on Tuesday.

Inspirational skipper Scott Edwards led from the front with an unbeaten 78* as the Netherlands posted a decent total of 245/8 in a match reduced to 43 overs per side because of early rain and a determined bowling outfit saw the previously unbeaten Proteas fall well short in reply.

Edwards combined well with veteran all-rounder Roelof van der Merwe (29) and No.10 Aryan Dutt (23 off nine balls) to propel the Dutch late in their innings and South Africa's reply never gathered much momentum as their high-profile top-order was ripped apart by some quality bowling.

Colin Ackermann (1/16) got the ball rolling with the key wicket of Quinton de Kock (20) and the likes of Logan van Beek (3/60), Paul van Meekeren (2/40), Bas de Leede (2/36) and van der Merwe (2/34) all chimed in at various times as South Africa were defeated by a non-Test playing nation for the first time in an ODI.

It continues the Netherlands recent domination of South Africa, after they also tasted success against the Proteas in the ICC Men's T20 World Cup in Australia last year.

The loss robs South Africa of the chance to leapfrog unbeaten sides India and New Zealand at the top of the World Cup standings, with Temba Bavuma's side remaining in third following their first defeat at the tournament.

The Netherlands register their first win of the World Cup and overtake Sri Lanka to move up to ninth.

Earlier, South Africa stifled the Netherlands innings with regular breakthroughs. A brisk 31-run stand between Sybrand Engelbrecht and Teja Nidamanuru stabilised the Dutch innings after they were 50/4 at one stage.

The start of play in the South Africa-Netherlands contest was marred by rain. The sides finally walked out on the field just prior to 4pm IST. The game was reduced to a 43-over affair. Three bowlers were allowed to bowl nine overs, while two could bowl eight each.

South Africa had lost two crucial wickets by the end of the first Powerplay. Quinton de Kock (20) was caught behind while trying to paddle sweep Colin Ackermann, while Temba Bavuma was cleaned up by the very first ball from Roelof van der Merwe.

Paul van Meekeren made sure that the pace department opened its account in the very next over, when he castled Aiden Markram.

Van der Merwe struck once more when Rassie van der Dussen (4) went for an ambitious reverse sweep and ended up finding point.

A 45-run stand for the fifth wicket between David Miller and Heinrich Klaasen helped stabilize the South Africa innings. However, Klaasen's dismissal in the 19th over to Logan van Beek, changed the complexion of the chase once more. The Dutch had another breakthrough in the form of Marco Jansen, who was cleaned up by van Meekeren in the 25th over.

Some streaky shots from Gerald Coetzee upped the South Africa scoring rate. However, the fall of Miller (43) and Coetzee (22) in 31st and 34th overs respectively, brought the game firmly within Netherlands grasp.

Earlier in the evening, South Africa lost Sybrand Engelbrecht soon after the 20 over mark. Teja Nidamanuru (20) and Logan van Beek (10) stuck around with skipper Scott Edwards but the Dutch rate didn't really pick up till Roelof van der Merwe arrived at the crease.

Van der Merwe took on his former side, and dispatched the bowlers across the ground. Together with Edwards, he added 64 runs for the eighth wicket. The all-rounder finally fell in the 40th over to Lungi Ngidi.

Edwards came good against a capable South Africa attack and scored a brilliant fifty. His unbeaten knock included 10 fours and a six.

South Africa skipper Temba Bavuma won the toss and elected to bowl first. He believed that the overcast conditions might help the bowlers up front.

And he was proved right by Kagiso Rabada and Marco Jansen who provided early breakthroughs in the form of Vikramjit Singh (2) and Max O'Dowd (18). While Rabada induced a top edge off Vikramjit's bat which was taken by slip fielder Heinrich Klassen running back, O' Dowd was caught behind.

Not soon after the 10 over mark, Rabada got Bas de Leede (2) trapped lbw with one that swerved in sharply. Gerald Coetzee was the next to strike for the Proteas, as he got Colin Ackermann to play on in the 16th over.

Coetzee came in for Tabraiz Shamsi for South Africa. For Netherlands, a now-fit Logan van Beek was in the playing XI in place of Ryan Klein.

While the Proteas have a perfect all-round record against the Netherlands in the ODI format, they'll know from past experience that the Dutch cannot be taken lightly.

Netherlands beat them by 13 runs in last year's ICC Men's T20 World Cup in Australia. This finished the South Africa campaign in the tournament.

A number of heroes from that Dutch triumph once again feature in Dharamsala.

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Dutch Delight: Netherlands register famous victory against South Africa

The Netherlands have caused one of the biggest upsets in the history of the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup with an emphatic 38-run triumph over South Africa in Dharamsala on Tuesday.
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What's even funnier is that this side is not even under any pressure compared to previous sides. Low expectations + the country is focused on the Springboks at this point in time
 
Statpadder Inc said:
India in the 90s didn't lose a single home test series. Pakistan lost at home to Australia and got whitewashed by England at home
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India in the 90s were slaughtered overseas and were pi$$ poor travellers- that's what I was alluding to.

Pakistan's last season was an aberration IMHO coming up against Bazball England and a strong Ozzie team on dead Pakistani pitches, no spin, no reverse, nothing in it for the bowlers and a really weak Pakistani bowling attack.
 
This is all on SA bowlers. From overs 34 to 43, I saw the pitch map for Ngidi, Rabada, Coetzee.

Utter rubbish bowling . Kept bowling slower short balls and half volleys and they didn't even learn from each other's mistakes . NED feasted on that tripe.

There was no attempt to hold a Test match line and length and keep the NED honest.

Horrendous bowling for bowlers who play Test cricket.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
This is all on SA bowlers. From overs 34 to 43, I saw the pitch map for Ngidi, Rabada, Coetzee.

Utter rubbish bowling . Kept bowling slower short balls and half volleys and they didn't even learn from each other's mistakes . NED feasted on that tripe.

There was no attempt to hold a Test match line and length and keep the NED honest.

Horrendous bowling for bowlers who play Test cricket.
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Overconfidence on batting cost them a game and we have to admit NL bowlers were excellent with line and length and fielding was on another level they save 30-40 runs.
 
what a performance by Netherlands . Hopefully they can cause a few more upsets which will help us qualify
 
If I was a conspiracy theorist I would claim ICC is bribing the SENA to job to minnows so that they can stage yet another Indo-pak final or at least semifinal.🤑
This is so surreal yet pathetic to see the SENA doing choke jobs left right & center literally to anybody.
I'll say one thing though, the amount of time, money & attention that ICC has invested to establish BD & Afg as the next big things in world cricket comes off miserable with how they have largely ignored Zim, Ken, Ire & Ned. These 4 didn't even get 10% of the money or attention that the subcontinent minnows got yet they have always over delivered. If ICC was less impartial & less sc centric we would have already gotten the next major team after Sri from these 4.
 
VForVendetta said:
If I was a conspiracy theorist I would claim ICC is bribing the SENA to job to minnows so that they can stage yet another Indo-pak final or at least semifinal.🤑
This is so surreal yet pathetic to see the SENA doing choke jobs left right & center literally to anybody.
I'll say one thing though, the amount of time, money & attention that ICC has invested to establish BD & Afg as the next big things in world cricket comes off miserable with how they have largely ignored Zim, Ken, Ire & Ned. These 4 didn't even get 10% of the money or attention that the subcontinent minnows got yet they have always over delivered. If ICC was less impartial & less sc centric we would have already gotten the next major team after Sri from these 4.
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And England would be poaching their best players....
 
nish_mate said:
And England would be poaching their best players....
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England poarching players from Ind, Pak, Sri, SA, Nz,Wi isn't exactly noble or new. Has any of this county been really hurt by any of the poarchings Eng did over the years?
 
VForVendetta said:
England poarching players from Ind, Pak, Sri, SA, Nz,Wi isn't exactly noble or new. Has any of this county been really hurt by any of the poarchings Eng did over the years?
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Yes, Eoin Morgan their world cup winning captain was Irish. Kevin Peterson was south African.
 
VForVendetta said:
England poarching players from Ind, Pak, Sri, SA, Nz,Wi isn't exactly noble or new. Has any of this county been really hurt by any of the poarchings Eng did over the years?
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Ireland has, Eoin Morgan, imagine what Eoin could have done with them, more than a few upsets.

Pieterson in SA would have won them a trophy, he was the gun clutch player they needed. I am sure there are a few more.

Windies could have done with a gun Jofra, nothing else would have won them another T20 WC.

These are all from recent memory.

Other point being, for FT members it is relatively easier to replace their poached players with a "well entrenched" grass root system, for associates to have their cream poached is akin to having the whole harvest poached, as they rarely produce gems.
 
Just before the World Cup in India, Netherlands coach Ryan Cook was pleading to subcontinent nations to play cricket with them!
BCCI helped them with practice matches with local teams . Netherlands were Played a practice match with Karnataka team .
 
Devadwal said:
Just before the World Cup in India, Netherlands coach Ryan Cook was pleading to subcontinent nations to play cricket with them!
BCCI helped them with practice matches with local teams . Netherlands were Played a practice match with Karnataka team .
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Not sure what you are saying here?
 
MenInG said:
Not sure what you are saying here?
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Simple , before world cup Netherlands coach asked others board for game as they want to prepare for world cup as they hardly play with another teams.
BCCI accept the offer and provide a practice game for them against local ranji team ( Karnataka) on 25 September just before world cup
 
Possibly the biggest upset in World Cup history.

An associate beating a strong South Africa.
 
@nish_mate @Saanji are you sure about KP? Did you guys forget how he was largely ignored by SA cricket system when he was an up & comer? Smith at the time specifically made it clear how they didn't think KP was good enough for them & they didn't need him. That's the very reason he went to Eng & ECB immediately poarched him as they were in desperate need of an elite odi batter at the time. SA had already found their next big thing in AB, not to forget at that same timeline they were trying to groom Justin Kemp. KP would never work in SA with his massive ego, he would have had many clashes against Smith, Gibbs, Nel etc who also had similar personalities.
Morgan wasn't forcefully taken away by ECB, he had all the blessings from Irish board, his teammates & his skipper Porterfield. After they had realized how exceptional he was as a player & how much he aspired to play for England they just let him go. If Morgan wasn't willing there's no way Eng could have simply hijacked him.
 
sweep_shot said:
Possibly the biggest upset in World Cup history.

An associate beating a strong South Africa.
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Not even close; Zim vs Aus 83, Zim vs Eng 92, Ken vs Wi 96 & Ban vs Pak 99 were far bigger & shocking upsets. All those teams were much stronger than current SA.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Klaasen gone. This is such a classic World Cup . England whipped by a minnow , South Africa likely screwed over by rain yet again, Pakistan wrecked by India , Australia needing a monster streak of wins to potentially win the Cup again, NZ overperforming- so retro
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How is SA screwed by rain. Both teams had to play in a shortened game.
 
sweep_shot said:
Possibly the biggest upset in World Cup history.

An associate beating a strong South Africa.
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Very good SA team but not invincible. They have loopholes. Top 3 sides at their best would easily beat SA.
 
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sweep_shot said:
England of 2011? LOL.

Any associate could beat that England. Netherlands did in 2009 and 2014. Bangladesh beat that England in both 2011 and 2015.
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Man I forgot about that loss :)) England legendary Zim 1999, BD, IRE 2011, BD 2015, Afg 2023 lol
 
Markram and Rassie Van Dussen need to hang their heads in shame

This is 90% because of their choke
 
BD win against Pak in 1999 is defn huge.
Kenya vs WI is next.

They were proper minnows.
 
boomboomcheema said:
Van Meekeran and De Leede are not foreigners.

And a few others like ODowd have one parent who is a Dutch.
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The fact of the matter is that the majority of them have learned their trade in major cricketing nations.

De Leede though, I agree, is an absolute legend for being born and bred Dutch.

The ICC really needs to support Scotland, Ireland, the Dutch and Nepal. These countries have great potential.

All of the GCC cricket teams are a disgrace.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Scott Edwards is Aussie, van der Merwe and Ackerman are Saffers , Max O Dowd is either a Kiwi or an Aussie. Van Beek is a Kiwi
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Yep, full of mercenaries. But they still have more potential to grow as a cricketing nation than all the GCC countries that ICC keeps playing.

Frankly, I think they are a disgrace. Full to the brim with Indian and Pakistani players that couldn’t cut it in domestics.
 
JaDed said:
Man I forgot about that loss :)) England legendary Zim 1999, BD, IRE 2011, BD 2015, Afg 2023 lol
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2007-2015 England were quite ordinary. Any associate could beat that England in LOI formats during that period.

So, I do not count those as proper upsets.
 
sweep_shot said:
2007-2015 England were quite ordinary. Any associate could beat that England in LOI formats during that period.

So, I do not count those as proper upsets.
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Atleast they won a WC during that time , they were proper minnows in 1999 as KP and Flintoff hadn’t arrived yet.
 
South Africa is lacking a good leader. Temba is an ordinary cricketer. Level of temba cricketing skills is even lower than any street cricketer.
 
This is funny, South Africa can't break their nedtherlands curse lol
 
FearlessRoar said:
South Africa is lacking a good leader. Temba is an ordinary cricketer. Level of temba cricketing skills is even lower than any street cricketer.
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Sorry but this is not factual at all. Temba is the only opener they have apart from QDK and he has played some crucial knocks in ODIs and against some really good opponents this year too.

Who is there to replace him?

He is a rubbish quota player in T20's and SA are not much of a Test nation now.

But he is 200 % there on merit in the ODI first XI.

They lost because they misread the pitch and conditions and bowled first . Secondly , they bowled utter rubbish after that the 33rd over. Shocking bowling . Slower ball half vollies and hit me short balls.

And Netherlands do a lot of ruthless match up based planning and Quinton struggled against off spin like his numbers suggest.

Bavuma can't be blamed for such pathetic bowling.
 
Afghanistan beating England was an upset, but this was a bigger upset. Congratulations to Netherlands on their historic win over a much fancied South African side!

Both games have not been chokes in my opinion, just one team outplaying another on the day.

The league table is now wide open.
This is a good World Cup!
 
VForVendetta said:
@nish_mate @Saanji are you sure about KP? Did you guys forget how he was largely ignored by SA cricket system when he was an up & comer? Smith at the time specifically made it clear how they didn't think KP was good enough for them & they didn't need him. That's the very reason he went to Eng & ECB immediately poarched him as they were in desperate need of an elite odi batter at the time. SA had already found their next big thing in AB, not to forget at that same timeline they were trying to groom Justin Kemp. KP would never work in SA with his massive ego, he would have had many clashes against Smith, Gibbs, Nel etc who also had similar personalities.
Morgan wasn't forcefully taken away by ECB, he had all the blessings from Irish board, his teammates & his skipper Porterfield. After they had realized how exceptional he was as a player & how much he aspired to play for England they just let him go. If Morgan wasn't willing there's no way Eng could have simply hijacked him.
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The point is England white ball rise has been due to imports. If such an easy option hadn't existed. Imagine where Ireland would have been under eoin Morgan.
 
James said:
Afghanistan beating England was an upset, but this was a bigger upset. Congratulations to Netherlands on their historic win over a much fancied South African side!

Both games have not been chokes in my opinion, just one team outplaying another on the day.

The league table is now wide open.
This is a good World Cup!
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Still no close games thriller.. almost all one sided contests.
 
the Dutch currently are the only team in the World top 10 of football, cricket and hockey
 
boomboomcheema said:
You want last ball Sixes ? Miandad type matches. Stop watching Cricket, it's not a movie where Drama will be created every other match..
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Everyone loves close encounter thrillers. It was a simple post from a cricket fan desiring an epic close match 🤔🤔
 
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Saanji said:
Dude, have I triggered u with some other posts. Everyone loves close encounter thrillers. It was a simple post from a cricket fan desiring an epic close match 🤔🤔
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So you want a match of 600 balls go till the final ball, even where a Six should be hit ? Should every match also end in a tie ? Otherwise everything else is one sided. That's why take the advice and stop watching Cricket.
 
boomboomcheema said:
So you want a match of 600 balls go till the final ball, even where a Six should be hit ? Should every match also end in a tie ? Otherwise everything else is one sided. That's why take the advice and stop watching Cricket.
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Everyone loves and remembers close hard fought games. It's a simple fact of any sports.
Didn't u enjoy 2021 formula 1 season or u enjoy utter redbull domination of last 2 years.. ( I am huge verstappen fan but still would love some close contest)
 
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Nikhil_cric said:
Sorry but this is not factual at all. Temba is the only opener they have apart from QDK and he has played some crucial knocks in ODIs and against some really good opponents this year too.

Who is there to replace him?

He is a rubbish quota player in T20's and SA are not much of a Test nation now.

But he is 200 % there on merit in the ODI first XI.

They lost because they misread the pitch and conditions and bowled first . Secondly , they bowled utter rubbish after that the 33rd over. Shocking bowling . Slower ball half vollies and hit me short balls.

And Netherlands do a lot of ruthless match up based planning and Quinton struggled against off spin like his numbers suggest.

Bavuma can't be blamed for such pathetic bowling.
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Don't they have Hendricks in the squad? And I may be wrong but from what I have seen of him he is a solid player.

Not that I disagree that Temba wasn't the problem yesterday. Vs Netherlands it was their bowling, excellent strategy by NL (will come to that later)and two issues that will continue to plague them in the tournament:

- of course their history. This will always weigh them down unless they exorcise it by winning a major tournament and having the belief that they can do it. Its more of a mental block like Ind vs Pak in WCs or like the chokehold Pakistan had on India following the famous Sharjah win. All their talent, planning, everything falls apart whenever they play minnows or crunch games.

- the nature and balance of their batting order. 4 of their 6 batters are ultra aggressive players with Bavuma and Markram (who himself is veering away from that role) to hold the innings together. On days they come off you will get scores like the game against SL. But bad days will be really bad. Also in crunch games, they will always try to hit out due to their natural aggression and their history which makes it even more likely that they will give a lot of chances. Which is why I think all teams should make them chase and try to dry up singles and doubles. Yesterday Edwards did that brilliantly well. This issue is further exacerbated by a weak lower order. I haven't see a weaker SA lower order than this. Jansen coming in at 7 means you take 5 wickets and their tail is exposed.
 
James said:
Afghanistan beating England was an upset, but this was a bigger upset. Congratulations to Netherlands on their historic win over a much fancied South African side!

Both games have not been chokes in my opinion, just one team outplaying another on the day.

The league table is now wide open.
This is a good World Cup!
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That was not upset. BBC published this from cricviz on october 4th. 8th very difficult match. Cricviz already predicted this will be the hardest match for England.

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Cricket World Cup 2023: Do the stats suggest England can defend title?

Why the stats suggest England's World Cup defence might not be as straightforward as Jos Buttler's side might hope.
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amvbfm said:
Don't they have Hendricks in the squad? And I may be wrong but from what I have seen of him he is a solid player.

Not that I disagree that Temba wasn't the problem yesterday. Vs Netherlands it was their bowling, excellent strategy by NL (will come to that later)and two issues that will continue to plague them in the tournament:

- of course their history. This will always weigh them down unless they exorcise it by winning a major tournament and having the belief that they can do it. Its more of a mental block like Ind vs Pak in WCs or like the chokehold Pakistan had on India following the famous Sharjah win. All their talent, planning, everything falls apart whenever they play minnows or crunch games.

- the nature and balance of their batting order. 4 of their 6 batters are ultra aggressive players with Bavuma and Markram (who himself is veering away from that role) to hold the innings together. On days they come off you will get scores like the game against SL. But bad days will be really bad. Also in crunch games, they will always try to hit out due to their natural aggression and their history which makes it even more likely that they will give a lot of chances. Which is why I think all teams should make them chase and try to dry up singles and doubles. Yesterday Edwards did that brilliantly well. This issue is further exacerbated by a weak lower order. I haven't see a weaker SA lower order than this. Jansen coming in at 7 means you take 5 wickets and their tail is exposed.
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Reeza's numbers in the top order are even weaker against Top 6 sides. Only Bavuma and QDK have good numbers. Jannemalan proved to be a flop as well. SA have literally backed their best bets from 1 to 7.

If this team can't get the job done, it's highly unlikely any SA XI can right now.

Part of the reason for their failures in World Cups has been the lack of experience in their squad (2011,2015) and this one is no different.

England, Australia, NZ and India have quite a few players with significant experience and that always helps in knockouts .
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Reeza's numbers in the top order are even weaker against Top 6 sides. Only Bavuma and QDK have good numbers. Jannemalan proved to be a flop as well. SA have literally backed their best bets from 1 to 7.

If this team can't get the job done, it's highly unlikely any SA XI can right now.

Part of the reason for their failures in World Cups has been the lack of experience in their squad (2011,2015) and this one is no different.

England, Australia, NZ and India have quite a few players with significant experience and that always helps in knockouts .
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Don't have an issue with Temba, I was just pointing out they do have backup. Temba provides stability to an order chock full of ultra aggressive batsmen. Also agree that this squad is probably the best they could've picked but I still don't think its balanced enough or has the confidence or belief to go all the way and experience isn't the main factor. Almost all players in their first XI are quite experienced. Only Klassen, Jansen and Coetzee could be called inexperienced. Also even their experienced players stall in crunch situations. Miller is one of the most experienced batters in the game right now but he has twice thrown it away against NL.
 
boomboomcheema said:
So you want a match of 600 balls go till the final ball, even where a Six should be hit ? Should every match also end in a tie ? Otherwise everything else is one sided. That's why take the advice and stop watching Cricket.
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I don’t know what you’re rambling on about or what’s got your panties in a twist . The guy was just saying he wants more closer encounters , not last ball winners.

It’s not hard to comprehend what he’s saying.
 
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