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The Glorification of Raheel Sharif - What do you think?

Do you not get tired writing the same things year in year out? Some of which is pure lies. Let's start with:

1. Do you have proof that army spread drugs? Actual hard proof? Not opinion, but actual proof.

Let's resolve this first and then we'll move to your other lies.

googled and found kinda an old link:

https://fas.org/irp/congress/1994_cr/h941003-terror-pak.htm

The report cites Pakistan's army chief and head of intelligence agency proposing to then-Prime Minister Sharif `a detailed blueprint for selling heroin to pay for the country's covert military operations in early 1991.' The role played by Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence agency in exporting terror to Kashmir and Punjab in neighboring India was sufficiently well-documented for the previous administration to place the country on the watch list of states sponsoring terrorism
 
[MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION]

ready when you are in providing evidence of army spreading drugs in Pakistan.
 
Do you not get tired writing the same things year in year out? Some of which is pure lies. Let's start with:

1. Do you have proof that army spread drugs? Actual hard proof? Not opinion, but actual proof.

Let's resolve this first and then we'll move to your other lies.

I can give you two examples of my personal account:

Army and Drugs back in 80s

One of my very close school friend had an uncle in KPK who used to grow opium on there soils...His uncle was sort of nakama out of all brothers and youngest one, they let him manage the land in their village in Hazara, while most of them work in cities...His uncle took away land of all there Fathers brothers and started growing opium, openly in Pakistan Hazara and producing Heroine...He was obviously very rich and had strong contacts...

He used to tell stories that he had strong contacts even in Army, they use to take bags full of Heroine and take them to USA on official state tours, he himself has gone many time... We used to say, oh this is just bundles of lies, how is army involved in drugs business... One time they(my friend and his uncle) went to GHQ to visit one of the important general that happens to be Joint Chief of Army Staff, that is too good to be true, looks like lot of his stories were not lie...His whole family was well aware that he made all his money by selling drugs, but through Army to fund the war, that was revelation...

His uncle was eventually died while playing gambling with an ex-grovener KPK and high police officer...They had some silly fights or arguments while high on alcohols and gambling back in early 90s(if I remember it correctly)...That was 9:00 PM new s(the major news of the day) on that day, because two high profile person died....


General's corruption

Back in 2000s, we sold one of our plot in D-12 to an Army General...My father knew the CDA officer, he told us that guy has bought 35 plots in last 3/4 months, all on cash...Army general buying property left and right on cash, sounds very fishy...

Hamid Gul's children are still fighting over properties of there father, which they were not aware in his life...

Musharaf and Kayani: http://news.rediff.com/commentary/2...ms-uk-scribe/2bc7a30811db91a4fc520676dc2ed699

Have we ever prosecuted any Army General's ?? :facepalm:

RS is going for a more dangerous venture, making sure Pakistan is in the front and center of Shai Sunni warfare in next decade between SA and Iran(We are good at providing foot solider or Army expertise)...Why the hell we need another hate base vision for our society??
 
this is proof? a report in a newspaper...

Carry reading little below what you highlighted in the same article...



You Indians never cease to amaze.

Did you even click the link or simply made up you mind by looking at the tricolor next to my username?

You, sir, are full of prejudice beyond limits and it is leaving utterly blind and probably deaf and dumb too.
 
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this is proof? a report in a newspaper...

Carry reading little below what you highlighted in the same article...



You Indians never cease to amaze.

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a030102deeply

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-drug-that-makes-the-taliban-possible/

http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/4b6fe2d2d.pdf

If you bother to read two of them are not just newspaper articles and the one I shared earlier was from a report submitted in US Congress.
 
Lots of army haters on PP. Why don't we disband the big, bad army and let the civvies man the border and take control of law and order. They seem to know exactly how to go about doing it.
 
Did you even click the link or simply made up you mind by looking at the tricolor next to my username?

You, sir, are full of prejudice beyond limits and it is leaving utterly blind and probably deaf and dumb too.

You got caught with pants down... with article that you provided... now jog on
 
Lots of army haters on PP. Why don't we disband the big, bad army and let the civvies man the border and take control of law and order. They seem to know exactly how to go about doing it.

Bhai Saab, Chokidar Ka Kaam Chokidari karan hai, Ghar challana nahieen...Chokidar Ghar ka indar ghus gaya too guish ghar ka whoi haal ho gha jo Pakistan ka hai ;-)
 
Lots of army haters on PP. Why don't we disband the big, bad army and let the civvies man the border and take control of law and order. They seem to know exactly how to go about doing it.

The kind of pious love for Army is kinda frightening when in light of all the evidence some posters are simply out to attack others who would rather read reports by neutral organisation with an open mind.
 
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a030102deeply

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-drug-that-makes-the-taliban-possible/

http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/4b6fe2d2d.pdf

If you bother to read two of them are not just newspaper articles and the one I shared earlier was from a report submitted in US Congress.

This is what the Americans in charge of drugs trafficking said ...

Officials with the U.S. State Department and the Drug Enforcement Administration said they have no evidence that Pakistan's military is or ever has been involved in drug trafficking.
[\quote]

Keep reading it over and and cry....
 
Lots of army haters on PP. Why don't we disband the big, bad army and let the civvies man the border and take control of law and order. They seem to know exactly how to go about doing it.

The army shouldn't be above criticism, the military should be there to serve the govt elected by the people not the other way round. It might seem strange that the Paksitani liberal critics are on the same page as the Indians on this one but there are a few key things to bear in mind on this:

1) The Indians are also highly critical of their army. Oh wait, no they aren't, they think their soldiers are heroes and constantly produce films depicting them against lions against the evil enemy P-K-stan.

2) Indians value their secular values much more highly than Pakistanis and would never vote in a government based on religious revivalism.........

3) Liberals are valued in India and the web is full of self-critical Indian liberals, and that is so evident by their contributions on various Pakistani outlets. Pakistanis could do worse than follow their lead.
 
Bub, again Read it, its a damn report submitted to US Congress, the news article is just an insert in the report.

You numpty.... the point raised by the congressman is based on the Washington post report.... seriously get an understanding of what you post....

"Mr. PALLONE. Mr. Speaker, I rise to bring to the attention of my colleagues a report that appeared in the Washington Post of September 12, 1994, which describes a disturbing link between narcotics and terrorism."

I quoted you from the Washington post itself in which the state and dea office said they have no evidence of Pakistan army ever doing such thing.

How much was that congressman paid by the India lobby to raise a fictitious point is also a point to ponder... if it was true, it would be highlighted everywhere since and used by Americans to get leverage over our generals..

Now stop spamming the thread and run along...
 
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I can give you two examples of my personal account:

Army and Drugs back in 80s

One of my very close school friend had an uncle in KPK who used to grow opium on there soils...His uncle was sort of nakama out of all brothers and youngest one, they let him manage the land in their village in Hazara, while most of them work in cities...His uncle took away land of all there Fathers brothers and started growing opium, openly in Pakistan Hazara and producing Heroine...He was obviously very rich and had strong contacts...

He used to tell stories that he had strong contacts even in Army, they use to take bags full of Heroine and take them to USA on official state tours, he himself has gone many time... We used to say, oh this is just bundles of lies, how is army involved in drugs business... One time they(my friend and his uncle) went to GHQ to visit one of the important general that happens to be Joint Chief of Army Staff, that is too good to be true, looks like lot of his stories were not lie...His whole family was well aware that he made all his money by selling drugs, but through Army to fund the war, that was revelation...

His uncle was eventually died while playing gambling with an ex-grovener KPK and high police officer...They had some silly fights or arguments while high on alcohols and gambling back in early 90s(if I remember it correctly)...That was 9:00 PM new s(the major news of the day) on that day, because two high profile person died....


General's corruption

Back in 2000s, we sold one of our plot in D-12 to an Army General...My father knew the CDA officer, he told us that guy has bought 35 plots in last 3/4 months, all on cash...Army general buying property left and right on cash, sounds very fishy...

Hamid Gul's children are still fighting over properties of there father, which they were not aware in his life...

Musharaf and Kayani: http://news.rediff.com/commentary/2...ms-uk-scribe/2bc7a30811db91a4fc520676dc2ed699

Have we ever prosecuted any Army General's ?? :facepalm:

RS is going for a more dangerous venture, making sure Pakistan is in the front and center of Shai Sunni warfare in next decade between SA and Iran(We are good at providing foot solider or Army expertise)...Why the hell we need another hate base vision for our society??

So you made serious allegations.... and the proof in a nutshell is:

Story1. You had a friend who had an uncle and he was drug dealer and he said army is involved in drugs also.

Story 2. You father sold land to an army guy and the capital development agency guy told you that he been buying all cash... from that you summised that it's drugs..

That is not evidence, it's unsubstantiated rants and urban myths to me.

It's basically ... someone told me so it must be true..

Now how can you, posing as an intelligent guy present this as evidence?

The Americans don't believe you on this point at all... see my quote to the numpty above.
 
[MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION]
I forgot that you had provided a blog post... yes a blog post to provide evidence of musharaf and kayani corruption.

We are talking about Pakistan army spreading drugs in Pakistan... that report mentions none of it..

Did you get desperate that you used an Indian outlet citing blog posts to malign people... which is not the point of discussion at the moment.
 
The army shouldn't be above criticism, the military should be there to serve the govt elected by the people not the other way round. It might seem strange that the Paksitani liberal critics are on the same page as the Indians on this one but there are a few key things to bear in mind on this:

1) The Indians are also highly critical of their army. Oh wait, no they aren't, they think their soldiers are heroes and constantly produce films depicting them against lions against the evil enemy P-K-stan.

2) Indians value their secular values much more highly than Pakistanis and would never vote in a government based on religious revivalism.........

3) Liberals are valued in India and the web is full of self-critical Indian liberals, and that is so evident by their contributions on various Pakistani outlets. Pakistanis could do worse than follow their lead.

+1.

Indians destroy every thread and because of the Pak-Indo relations their opinions can hardly be considered objective. Its bloody annoying, you're debating Afghan posters and our well-intentioned neighbors jump in.

[MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION]
I forgot that you had provided a blog post... yes a blog post to provide evidence of musharaf and kayani corruption.

We are talking about Pakistan army spreading drugs in Pakistan... that report mentions none of it..

Did you get desperate that you used an Indian outlet citing blog posts to malign people... which is not the point of discussion at the moment.

Loving your posts :kakmal Pretty much agree.
 
+1.

Indians destroy every thread and because of the Pak-Indo relations their opinions can hardly be considered objective. Its bloody annoying, you're debating Afghan posters and our well-intentioned neighbors jump in.



Loving your posts :kakmal Pretty much agree.

It seems hearsay and urban myths are evidence these days... this drug thing seems to be a new line attack to malign the organisation.... if they preach it often enough and get repeated by many then it will get in the psyche... which then validates itself to be new "truth" .......

All done by without providing any proof...strange times we live in.
 
The army shouldn't be above criticism, the military should be there to serve the govt elected by the people not the other way round. It might seem strange that the Paksitani liberal critics are on the same page as the Indians on this one but there are a few key things to bear in mind on this:

1) The Indians are also highly critical of their army. Oh wait, no they aren't, they think their soldiers are heroes and constantly produce films depicting them against lions against the evil enemy P-K-stan.

2) Indians value their secular values much more highly than Pakistanis and would never vote in a government based on religious revivalism.........

3) Liberals are valued in India and the web is full of self-critical Indian liberals, and that is so evident by their contributions on various Pakistani outlets. Pakistanis could do worse than follow their lead.

1) Since when is India the standard to aspire to? For someone who hates India so much, I find it odd that you'd want or expect Pakistanis to behave like Indians do.
2) And how well has that worked out for India? Unless I'm mistaken, their disregard for secular values has put them in a position where they now have an elected Zia ul Haq for a PM and religious fanaticism is on the rise.
3) Indian liberals are a joke, and that's assuming there actually are any real ones. For all their talk of a tolerant society, I don't see their liberals having the courage to hold their government, society and military to account anywhere near as forcefully as their Pakistani counterparts do despite the latter operating in a harsher environment for liberals, or dissenting voices in general, and being outnumbered by violent rightists far more heavily. Simply put, thanks but no thanks, India and India's mickey mouse liberals are not an example for any self respecting liberal to follow.
 
Army is the biggest nemesis Pakistan ever have, all Pakistan biggest problems came to existence because of Army, in last 3 decades our culture and society is rotten by three things: drugs, weapons, Islamization, all these are not brought by politicians but by Pakistan Army...

This combination of Army and Islam, which Pakistan love so much is the reason Pakistan is so backward and poor, mark my words, Pakistan will never developed as a nation until both of them(Army and Islam) are dethrone from social, political and cultural priorities of the nation :facepalm:

Keep in mind Corruption is not a cause, its a symptom of some other deep rooted problem... Most of the time you fix your culture to get rid of corruption, that's what we do in business as well as society, change your values and priorities...Like in US Bible Belt biggest cultural problem is backward thinking of race and religion oriented culture, that is not letting them developed, as long as they keep these cultural priorities, they will never develop, despite so many resources within USA, they can bring down the whole country if given extended power, but that culture will never bring prosperity or harmony...Pakistanis need to understand culture of Army and Religion is never going to bring prosperity or peace...You need to stop investing in those negative ideas, both Army and religion are negative forces, they need to in the background not front and center of any society :corleone

The liberal age is coming to an end, liberals are on the run the world over.

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Surely even you can understand that this force does not deal with internal security.... that is the job of police and respective armies.

How do you know that he is swimming in dollars, do you have any evidence of how much he is being paid?

I know how it works, but in truth, it is pretty much a scam and I fear the intentions of the Saudis and what their long-term plan is. An anti-terrorist organization with its HQ in Saudi is nothing but a big joke.

It is pretty obvious that Raheel Sharif is getting paid a lot of money for this. I don't have exact figures (no one does), but it is foolish to think otherwise. Why do you think he took this job up in the first place?
 
I know how it works, but in truth, it is pretty much a scam and I fear the intentions of the Saudis and what their long-term plan is. An anti-terrorist organization with its HQ in Saudi is nothing but a big joke.

It is pretty obvious that Raheel Sharif is getting paid a lot of money for this. I don't have exact figures (no one does), but it is foolish to think otherwise. Why do you think he took this job up in the first place?

When you have power you don't need money!
 
https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pak...me-minister-imran-khan-in-pakistan-1.62026693

Two Pakistani heroes

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It usually takes a few years before the skeletons in the closet of the previous "supremo" start leaking out.

How long did it take before COAS Kayani's dirty laundry was aired in public? Give it a few years, it will be this guy's turn also.
 
It usually takes a few years before the skeletons in the closet of the previous "supremo" start leaking out.

How long did it take before COAS Kayani's dirty laundry was aired in public? Give it a few years, it will be this guy's turn also.

actully he was exposed while in power.
 
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