The greatest Asian Test team of all time

[Heisenberg111]

If india win back to back series in Aus i will congratulate them on being a very good side.

But still doesnt hide the fact there performances in other SENA locations has been pathetic.

Just shows that India are good at Adjusting to pace and bounce. But can not adjust to seam / swing conditions. If there such a great side why cant they do that?

Winning in OZ is the toughest of all SENA countries and they will be the only Asian team to have done that twice, so thats enough for the tag of best ever Asian test team. Ofcourse we are not talking about the best ever test team here, just the GOAT Asian team.

 

[Madplayer]

If we can play well in Aus it's only fair that we expect them to play well in India.

It's not like they don't tour us enough.

True its not India's problem. But my point wasnt about Australia, i only replied to the poster who mentioned the names of these players. My point was different. Please refer to my earlier post.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Will anyone post the playing 11 of the WI team that lost a test to Pakistan in 1980s?

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

England last HOME series defeat 2014 vs Sri Lanka - Series wins 9 drawn 4 since then

Indias record in England in that time period lost 3-1 and 4-1

New Zealand Home record since 2014 - series wins 13 lost 2

Indias record lost 1-0 and 2-0

South Africas Home record since 2014 - Series wins 9 lost 4

Indias record lost 2-1

Australias home record since 2014 - Series wins 8 Lost 2

Indias record lost 2-0 / Won 2-1 / Currently 1-1

So for all the so called chest beating and bhangra! lets deal with facts!

All 4 SENA teams have been tough to beat at home in last 7 years and barring performances in Australia, India have been poor!

But this is so called greatest team ever! based on what?

Performing just in Australia is not the yard stick of greatness when other teams have just a good home test records in recent times!

I know people get triggered at PP when I say this but Pakistan would have a similar record playing at home.

And we will never know result of a Pak v Ind (in Pak or India). Some Indian batsmen do struggle against quality spin, be it in SENA or even India. So that's that

Never forget out TTFs and FTBs would bat like Smith at home

Outside Asia, despite us having the worst decade of all times and India having their best, our record is same. As a matter of fact we have won almost same number of tests (India played like 10 more*)


We can all draw our conclusions.

 

[ethan hunt]

Steve Smith
Nathan Lyon
Pat Cummins
Mitchell Starc
Josh Hazelwood

No team has any player as good as them to challenge India in India currently.

Cmon man. Do you realise how bad the aussies have been on their last two tours to the uae. As bad as pakistan in australia.
The current aussie team is not good in asia

 

[Madplayer]

I know people get triggered at PP when I say this but Pakistan would have a similar record playing at home.

And we will never know result of a Pak v Ind (in Pak or India). Some Indian batsmen do struggle against quality spin, be it in SENA or even India. So that's that

Never forget out TTFs and FTBs would bat like Smith at home

Outside Asia, despite us having the worst decade of all times and India having their best, our record is same. As a matter of fact we have won almost same number of tests (India played like 10 more*)


We can all draw our conclusions.

Pakistan actually had a great record in UAE for many years under Misbah with the English players like Vaughn calling it the most difficult place to tour by a landslide.

 

[Rajdeep]

This Indian team is very cluch and mentally stong. Without its captain and best batsman, half of the players injured, with debutant players and coming from 36/9 defeat the grit and determination they shown in the next 2 tests are mindblowing. Dont recall any other Asian team to have shown such character ever.

However, this team has underachieved in SA and Eng. We should have won in both those countries in 2018 but didnt happen for one reason or another. But anyone that has actually watched those series would tell you the final scorelines dont tell the exact story.

Anyway, the England tour of team India this August will be a cracker of a series.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

This Indian team is very cluch and mentally stong. Without its captain and best batsman, half of the players injured, with debutant players and coming from 36/9 defeat the grit and determination they shown in the next 2 tests is mindblowing. Dont recall any other Asian team to have shown such character ever.

However, this team has underachieved in SA and Eng. We should have won in both those countries in 2018 but didnt happen for one reason or another. But anyone that has actually watched those series would tell you the final scorelines dont tell the exact story.

Anyway, the England tour of team India this August will be a cracker of a series.

Its a skill issue batting wise.

Plus bad selections.

Hopefully we go to next tours in a better shape.

 

[Varun]

Anyway, the England tour of team India this August will be a cracker of a series.

February*

It'll be a big yawn as usual though. England in Aus/Ind are never a contest.

 

[Heisenberg111]

I know people get triggered at PP when I say this but Pakistan would have a similar record playing at home.

And we will never know result of a Pak v Ind (in Pak or India). Some Indian batsmen do struggle against quality spin, be it in SENA or even India. So that's that

Never forget out TTFs and FTBs would bat like Smith at home

Outside Asia, despite us having the worst decade of all times and India having their best, our record is same. As a matter of fact we have won almost same number of tests (India played like 10 more*)


We can all draw our conclusions.

Which is the GOAT Asian team according to you?

 

[Rajdeep]

February*

It'll be a big yawn as usual though. England in Aus/Ind are never a contest.

No I meant the return series when India tours England in August will be a cracker. I believe we have the team to win in England this time...lets see.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Winning in OZ is the toughest of all SENA countries and they will be the only Asian team to have done that twice, so thats enough for the tag of best ever Asian test team. Ofcourse we are not talking about the best ever test team here, just the GOAT Asian team.

Sorry how exactly is winning Aus the toughest currently? All 3 other SENA sides have been just as good at home in test series over last 7 years. So Australia alone is not a yard stick of greatness.

 

[Amjid Javed]

This Indian team is very cluch and mentally stong. Without its captain and best batsman, half of the players injured, with debutant players and coming from 36/9 defeat the grit and determination they shown in the next 2 tests are mindblowing. Dont recall any other Asian team to have shown such character ever.

However, this team has underachieved in SA and Eng. We should have won in both those countries in 2018 but didnt happen for one reason or another. But anyone that has actually watched those series would tell you the final scorelines dont tell the exact story.

Anyway, the England tour of team India this August will be a cracker of a series.

India has under achieved in NZ as well, another team who has been strong at home for over a 5-7 year period.

 

[pillionrider]

One fact that every Indian fan is conveniently ignoring is that India has been unchallenged at home by any competent test side which has batsmen that are half decent against spin and which has the spinners to challenge Indian batsmen on subcontinent pitches. Aka Pakistan.

On the other hand the SENA teams have lost matches at home because they have consistently played matches against teams who are competent in seaming conditions.

We have a contender for the post of 2020/2021.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Sorry how exactly is winning Aus the toughest currently? All 3 other SENA sides have been just as good at home in test series over last 7 years. So Australia alone is not a yard stick of greatness.

Look at Australia's overall record at home. They have only lost 23 series at home in their 140+ years of cricket playing history. That tells you, how tough a place, OZ is to win at.

 

[Mamoon]

Still waiting on mamoon to explain india pathetic record in S.A / N.Z and England in last 7 years

must be due to toss of coin or some other lame excuse.

The great Indian team hasnt even managed a drawn series in these places in that time.

Yet a team as weak as SL has managed to win series in england and S.A in that time!

Thats context enough!

If India would have won in SA, ENG and NZ, they would be considered on par with the legendary WI and AUS.

However, they are not at that level. Nevertheless, at their current level, they are still the GOAT Asian Test team.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Look at Australia's overall record at home. They have only lost 23 series at home in their 140+ years of cricket playing history. That tells you, how tough a place, OZ is to win at.

We are not looking at entire history of the game.

We are looking at how good current Indian side is therefore you look at there recent performances in SENA and how strong each SENA team is at home. Facts indias away performances overall in SENA in last 7 years are below par!

 

[Technics 1210]

I don't understand the OP. He has repeatedly claimed - wins only matter - but is celebrating like India have won the series.

It's clear he had low expectations of the India team before the series started.

 

[Heisenberg111]

We are not looking at entire history of the game.

We are looking at how good current Indian side is therefore you look at there recent performances in SENA and how strong each SENA team is at home. Facts indias away performances overall in SENA in last 7 years are below par!

You still didn't answer my question. Which Asian team in history, do you think is better than the current Indian team?

 

[Rajdeep]

I don't understand the OP. He has repeatedly claimed - wins only matter - but is celebrating like India have won the series.

It's clear he had low expectations of the India team before the series started.

Actually if you understand test cricket, you would acknowledge that this draw is bigger than the win India pulled off in last test. Batting 100+ overs on 5th day of a test match is physically and mentally draining.

 

[Technics 1210]

Actually if you understand test cricket, you would acknowledge that this draw is bigger than the win India pulled off in last test. Batting 100+ overs on 5th day of a test match is physically and mentally draining.

Go home. I understand the importance of a draw, if you understood what I said, I was refering to the OP. Go direct your words to the OP, I dare you.

 

[Amjid Javed]

You still didn't answer my question. Which Asian team in history, do you think is better than the current Indian team?

In regards to "home" test performances this is best asain test side in home conditions ever.

Both pakistan and india (different era) have performed better away from home.

I dont think any asia side overall home and away over a certain period have done enough to be called great.

 

[Heisenberg111]

In regards to "home" test performances this is best asain test side in home conditions ever.

Both pakistan and india (different era) have performed better away from home.

I dont think any asia side overall home and away over a certain period have done enough to be called great.

Pak of 90's has the best away record, but that team was poor at home. Pak of 80's was unbeatable at home but didn't have a great record away. But this Indian team is extremely dominant at home and competitive away. So take your picks. For me, certainly this Indian team stands out.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Pak of 90's has the best away record, but that team was poor at home. Pak of 80's was unbeatable at home but didn't have a great record away. But this Indian team is extremely dominant at home and competitive away. So take your picks. For me, certainly this Indian team stands out.

Pakistan away record between 1983 and 1993 was pretty good.

They won 2 test series in england, won and drew in NZ, drew in the west indies, won and drew in india.

Overall record was won 4, drew 4 and lost 4 series away from home in that time period. Same time unbeaten at home.

So apart from in Australia, pakistan were competative every where else.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

This Indian test team (2015 onward) is PURE HEART. The mentally strongest team in our history.

Wanted to quote this beautiful post by F16.

in the 23 days since that 36, the Indian team have their captain back home, 6 more players injured and have still managed a victory & a draw after batting out 131 overs in the 4th innings.
There may have been more talented Indian teams in the past, but none with more heart!

You can have all the talent, luck and skill in the world, yet if you don't have the heart, you won't make much of it.

Same way, everything can go against you but if you have the single minded obsession of fighting it out to the death by shutting down all the negative thoughts in your mind, you are likely to do things you never thought you were capable of.

This Aus series is an exhibition of mind over matter.

Grit and resilience beating almost impossible odds (aided by some really good luck).

This might just be the greatest Indian test series I have watched LIVE.

2001 series changed Indian cricket and made us believe we can win.

2020-21 series will make us believe anything is possible if you just believe in yourself and keep fighting.

Always knew this Indian team had it in them mentally (just that they weren't that good skill wise in batting)... but this is some next level stuff.

Each and every single member contributed in this series.

Truly inspirational performances for all the upcoming youngsters awaiting their chances.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Wanted to quote this beautiful post by F16.



You can have all the talent, luck and skill in the world, yet if you don't have the heart, you won't make much of it.

Same way, everything can go against you but if you have the single minded obsession of fighting it out to the death by shutting down all the negative thoughts in your mind, you are likely to do things you never thought you were capable of.

This Aus series is an exhibition of mind over matter.

Grit and resilience beating almost impossible odds (aided by some really good luck).

This might just be the greatest Indian test series I have watched LIVE.

2001 series changed Indian cricket and made us believe we can win.

2020-21 series will make us believe anything is possible if you just believe in yourself and keep fighting.

Always knew this Indian team had it in them mentally (just that they weren't that good skill wise in batting)... but this is some next level stuff.

Each and every single member contributed in this series.

Truly inspirational performances for all the upcoming youngsters awaiting their chances.

If we win @ Gabba then yes probably our greatest turn around series victory eclipsing 2001. Best part is now I see our players give it back to Aussies when sledged, it was definetely not the case till 2015. Only Bhajji, Gambhir used to do that from prev X.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Pakistan away record between 1983 and 1993 was pretty good.

They won 2 test series in england, won and drew in NZ, drew in the west indies, won and drew in india.

Overall record was won 4, drew 4 and lost 4 series away from home in that time period. Same time unbeaten at home.

So apart from in Australia, pakistan were competative every where else.

You are overlapping the 2 decades here, when I say 80's Pak I am talking from 1980-1989, similarly for 90's Pak its from 1990-1999. If you strictly look at it decade wise then 80's Pak has only 1 series win in England and India each and a drawn series in West Indies to show for in away series.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

If we win @ Gabba then yes probably our greatest turn around series victory eclipsing 2001. Best part is now I see our players give it back to Aussies when sledged, it was definetely not the case till 2015. Only Bhajji, Gambhir used to do that from prev X.

Chances are high in Gabba.

Tho it will be washed out.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I know Gabba is a fortress.

 

[Amjid Javed]

You are overlapping the 2 decades here, when I say 80's Pak I am talking from 1980-1989, similarly for 90's Pak its from 1990-1999. If you strictly look at it decade wise then 80's Pak has only 1 series win in England and India each and a drawn series in West Indies to show for in away series.

So going off 1980-89

Pakistan won series in england
Drew against best team in world in WI
Drew in NZ
Beat india in india who rarely lost at home.

So they were competative in all conditions?

Same time look at current indian team apart from win in Aus they have lost all series in eng/S.A and N.Z in last 7 years. So they are not competative against best sides away.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Will anyone post the playing 11 of the WI team that lost a test to Pakistan in 1980s?

The only test they won was when Marshall(GOAT) and Viv Richards were missing.

 

[Amjid Javed]

The only test they won was when Marshall(GOAT) and Viv Richards were missing.

Can someone post the Australian teams and players missing when india won the last series in Aus.

Everyone can make this nonsical and childish point.

 

[Heisenberg111]

So going off 1980-89

Pakistan won series in england
Drew against best team in world in WI
Drew in NZ
Beat india in india who rarely lost at home.

So they were competative in all conditions?

Same time look at current indian team apart from win in Aus they have lost all series in eng/S.A and N.Z in last 7 years. So they are not competative against best sides away.

That team got blown apart in NZ in 1985 and in Aus in 1983-84. So yeah, apart from the Southern hemisphere, they were competitive everywhere else. But this Indian team was competitive in the last tour of SA, demolished SRL in SRL and WI in WI and has the opportunity to win back to back series in OZ. So apart from NZ and Eng, they have been competitive everywhere else and their home record is better than 80's Pak, so overall this Indian team>1980's Pak for me.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Can someone post the Australian teams and players missing when india won the last series in Aus.

Everyone can make this nonsical and childish point.

Agreed

 

[ssuhaide]

Got to hand it to India they are the best test side in the World at the moment. Not many go into Australian soil and compete.

Fortress Brisbane next where Australia have a fantastic record. Unbeaten there since 1988.

If India go there and win..

 

[Amjid Javed]

That team got blown apart in NZ in 1985 and in Aus in 1983-84. So yeah, apart from the Southern hemisphere, they were competitive everywhere else. But this Indian team was competitive in the last tour of SA, demolished SRL in SRL and WI in WI and has the opportunity to win back to back series in OZ. So apart from NZ and Eng, they have been competitive everywhere else and their home record is better than 80's Pak, so overall this Indian team>1980's Pak for me.

SL and WI are poor test sides right now so no relevance what so ever.

Facts india havent even managed to draw a series in NZ SA ENG in last 7 years.. lost every series. These are top sides along with Aus currently. So like i said before indias performances are below par.

 

[Slim]

Hello brother.

How's it going?

Still fluke?

I did say India is not going to win the current match or any succeeding matches, this will turn out to be true. Are you happy you drew a test? We have drawn series by winning matches in England - your graveyard.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If india win this series should be seen as greater achievement then last series as Aussies are pretty much full strength for this series, plus india have lost key players during series

 

[Heisenberg111]

SL and WI are poor test sides right now so no relevance what so ever.

Facts india havent even managed to draw a series in NZ SA ENG in last 7 years.. lost every series. These are top sides along with Aus currently. So like i said before indias performances are below par.

If SRL are poor now, what will you call them in 1986 ? when Pak drew a series against them in SRL. You still got to give India credit for winning 3-0 in SRL, even if it was against a weak team.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If SRL are poor now, what will you call them in 1986 ? when Pak drew a series against them in SRL. You still got to give India credit for winning 3-0 in SRL, even if it was against a weak team.

In 1986 they were minnows. Did at any point i mention SL in pakistans away performances. All indian fans seem to do is live off performances in Australia and ignore that they have been between else where.

This indian side is miles better then SL yet they have won in Eng and SA. So why havent india in last 7 years?

 

[Sir Alex]

If India would have won in SA, ENG and NZ, they would be considered on par with the legendary WI and AUS.

However, they are not at that level. Nevertheless, at their current level, they are still the GOAT Asian Test team.

Bro, peak West Indies never won a series in New Zealand, and they never got a chance to play South Africa. In fact between 1985-1994, they never won a series in India, Pakistan, SL or NZ.

Sometimes we tend to see history through rose colored glasses. They used to regularly defeat Australia and England, but Australia was nowhere as strong as they became later, in the 80s.

 

[Heisenberg111]

In 1986 they were minnows. Did at any point i mention SL in pakistans away performances. All indian fans seem to do is live off performances in Australia and ignore that they have been between else where.

This indian side is miles better then SL yet they have won in Eng and SA. So why havent india in last 7 years?

They have been competitive in SA though in their last two tours to SA. In 2013, the set SA a target of 450 in the 1st test but couldn't close down the game. Similarly in 2018, they came close to winning but lost at crucial moments, yet managed to win the final test, albeit a dead rubber. In Eng and NZ though, they need to improve, but I won't be surprised, if India ends up winning in Eng an SA later this year. They have a great chance to win first ever series in SA, can win in England too.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Bro, peak West Indies never won a series in New Zealand, and they never got a chance to play South Africa.
In fact between 1985-1994, they never won a series in India, Pakistan, SL or NZ.

Sometimes we tend to see history through rose colored glasses. They used to regularly defeat Australia and England, but Australia was nowhere as strong as they became later, in the 80s.

Why are you taking this period specifically? West Indies's period of dominance was from 1980-1995. In these 15 years they won a series everywhere. In Pak in 1980, In India in 1983, In NZ in 1995.

 

[Amjid Javed]

They have been competitive in SA though in their last two tours to SA. In 2013, the set SA a target of 450 in the 1st test but couldn't close down the game. Similarly in 2018, they came close to winning but lost at crucial moments, yet managed to win the final test, albeit a dead rubber. In Eng and NZ though, they need to improve, but I won't be surprised, if India ends up winning in Eng an SA later this year. They have a great chance to win first ever series in SA, can win in England too.

If India draw or even win series in eng and SA i will happily give them credit for then performing in all conditions. Until then i see there performances as below par. India have had chances in both eng and Sa series to compete but they have chocked in the end recently.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So India saved a loss.

Well done.

Lol, I thought this was an old thread bumped to build upon previous results, now I see it was started today, by the guy who's real motivation is rarely to praise India, rather to have a dig at Pakistan.

I mean well done India for saving the test, that was a decent effort, but I have explained in the other thread why a country which obsessively works against it's rivals while refusing to play against them can never be called the greatest Asian team of all time. If anything I would call it the worst. Think of what sport should stand for and you will see I am not wrong.

 

[gazza619]

Has it helped India the fact that they get invited to SENA more often now and it has helped their players get adjusted to conditions better?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Has it helped India the fact that they get invited to SENA more often now and it has helped their players get adjusted to conditions better?

It defo helps them get regular beatings in NZ, SA and eng

 

[Varun]

Has it helped India the fact that they get invited to SENA more often now and it has helped their players get adjusted to conditions better?

Certainly hasn't helped those teams play better in India though.

 

[Sir Alex]

Has it helped India the fact that they get invited to SENA more often now and it has helped their players get adjusted to conditions better?

Playing more A tours

 

[Amjid Javed]

Certainly hasn't helped those teams play better in India though.

The quality of most teams touring away in test cricket globally in general has declined.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

A bit premature to say they are the greatest Asian test team before the series is done. They could be get spanked in the next test match and the thread will be bumped endlessly.

However, the achievement so far and overcoming all the challenges with injuries, player availability and a morale sapping low score to be in such a position during the series is not something to be scoffed at. India deserve a lot of praise for their guts and determination.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Disagree with the comments about Kohli's leadership. His leadership has not got the best out of our cricketers and it is clear that our team is actually not playing anywhere near what they can potentially play. If anything , with better leadership , we will only get better. Kohli had had his time. We know what we get with Kohli as captain but Indian cricket needs to move ahead.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Lol, I thought this was an old thread bumped to build upon previous results, now I see it was started today, by the guy who's real motivation is rarely to praise India, rather to have a dig at Pakistan.

I mean well done India for saving the test, that was a decent effort, but I have explained in the other thread why a country which obsessively works against it's rivals while refusing to play against them can never be called the greatest Asian team of all time. If anything I would call it the worst. Think of what sport should stand for and you will see I am not wrong.

The Thread was started by an Indian fan whose been pretending to be a pakistani for whole time they have been on this forum.

This is a team which hasnt even managed a drawn series in Eng, NZ or SA in last 7 years but is considered by certain fans doing bhangra at certain results.

 

[Mamoon]

The Thread was started by an Indian fan whose been pretending to be a pakistani for whole time they have been on this forum.

This is a team which hasnt even managed a drawn series in Eng, NZ or SA in last 7 years but is considered by certain fans doing bhangra at certain results.

You are half right. I am not an Indian or an Indian cricket fan. I am also not a Pakistan cricket fan; I am a cricket aficionado who has the misfortune of being a Pakistani.

If I wasn’t Pakistani, the Pakistan team would be the last cricket team that I would care about. I have no patience or affection for mediocrity, and that is what Pakistan cricket and Pakistani cricket culture is.

I have great admiration and respect for the Indian cricket team and the Indian cricket culture and I can only wish Pakistan were half as good.

 

[Local.Dada]

The Thread was started by an Indian fan whose been pretending to be a pakistani for whole time they have been on this forum.

This is a team which hasnt even managed a drawn series in Eng, NZ or SA in last 7 years but is considered by certain fans doing bhangra at certain results.

Ok and your valuable input is?

The fact is India is a level above every team out there. Of course we are no where near the dominance of WI or Aus at their peak. However let’s compare the performance of SENA teams when they tour Asia in recent times and compare India competing in these conditions.

90% of tests India has played including Nzl, the results could have gone either way till the last session. It’s a different thing our management and team selections messed up a few but that’s intangible factors, a loss is a loss.

However if you are speaking as a cricket fan don’t think it’s hard to see Indian test team and bench strength is the best in world cricket, if you are upset with the recent run of results for Pakistan and have to compare with India, then I can understand and will leave you alone.

Also it’s unfortunate SENA is a benchmark for Asian teams but Asian conditions are not a benchmark for SENA teams anymore like it was in the 90’s because of Pakistan and Srilanka’s decline even at home.

 

[ManFan]

ATG performance? Yes.

ATG team? Potentially.

Greatest Asian Test team? Nope.

 

[Heisenberg111]

ATG performance? Yes.

ATG team? Potentially.

Greatest Asian Test team? Nope.

Which is the greatest Asian team, then ?

 

[Heisenberg111]

My rankings for greatest teams ever.

1. WI of late 70's and 80's

2. Aus of late 90's and 2000's

3. SA from 2007-2014

4. India of 2010's to present

5. Pak of 1980's and early 90's

6. England from 2009-2012

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Which is the GOAT Asian team according to you?

I think only 2 GOAT sides ever existed: WIs and Aussies. Both were ruthless in their era and thrashed everyone everywhere.

(From Asia) Since Pak under IK were the only ones unbeaten against WIs (at home and visiting) so it has to be them, by process of elimination.

All rest is pakhand baazi and fazool bla bla bla...

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

On a side note, what if it were Pakistani bowling attack unable to bundle out the opposition on the 5th day?

Just imagine

People would have been calling for the heads of Yasir/Shaheen/Abbas and Misbah

This is the beauty of test cricket and Pakistani fans are so hard on our noob bowling attack... everyone struggles...

Someone bump that Shami/Bumrah/? Vs Cummins/Hazelwood/Starc thread

 

[Nikhil_cric]

India has been the GOAT Asian test side for nearly 6 years now. But the bar is actually very low considering that Pakistan test side has only reached 111 points at its peak. India has been consistently above that mark for a few years now.

 

[szrana007]

India has been the GOAT Asian test side for nearly 6 years now. But the bar is actually very low considering that Pakistan test side has only reached 111 points at its peak. India has been consistently above that mark for a few years now.

Pakistan's peak rating is 120 points, back in 2006, not 111 points.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2006...-above-england-in-world-test-rankings/1800622

 

[Slog]

My rankings for greatest teams ever.

1. WI of late 70's and 80's

2. Aus of late 90's and 2000's

3. SA from 2007-2014

4. India of 2010's to present

5. Pak of 1980's and early 90's

6. England from 2009-2012

India of 2007-2011 is better than current India....

That team won series in NZ, England. Drew a series in SA and almost drew a series in Aus (should have drawn). Won in WI and I’m sure won in SL too (gotta check). Essentially won wherever they played.

And their home record was almost as good as the current Indian team.

Also these opposition sides asides from NZ were either similar or better than their current versions.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Pakistan's peak rating is 120 points, back in 2006, not 111 points.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2006...-above-england-in-world-test-rankings/1800622

Sorry about that bro. My bad. I think this Indian team had gone as high as 130 points at point of time and held the number 1 ranking for 3.5 years though so it still makes them the GOAT Asian test side imo.

 

[Heisenberg111]

India of 2007-2011 is better than current India....

That team won series in NZ, England. Drew a series in SA and almost drew a series in Aus (should have drawn). Won in WI and
I’m sure won in SL too (gotta check).
Essentially won wherever they played.

And their home record was almost as good as the current Indian team.

Also these opposition sides asides from NZ were either similar or better than their current versions.

Lost in SRL actually in 2008 and has a much inferior W/L ratio to 2010's India.

 

[MHN1293]

The pakistan team of 1980s=
Won matches in austrailia and the great west indies team.
Won series in India and england.
Drew in West indies and newzealand.
WL ratio of 1.77
WL ratio of the 2010s indian team is 1.68.
Had that pak team regularly play the 2010s indian team it would have a superior Wl ratio by the end of the decade. However I will agree that the 2015 onwards india team is the goat Asian test team with a WL ratio of almost 3 and a positive away WL ratio .

 

[szrana007]

Sorry about that bro. My bad. I think this Indian team had gone as high as 130 points at point of time and held the number 1 ranking for 3.5 years though so it still makes them the GOAT Asian test side imo.

I agree.

 

[Mamoon]

Greatest Asian Test sides:

1. Present India (2015 onwards)
2. Ganguly’s India (2000-2005)
3. Imran’s Pakistan (1982-1991)

 

[Mesozoic]

Still a long way to go before this team beats the Indian team of the 2000s under 3D&K and becomes the GOAT Asian team. It's surely the next best though.

That Indian team had

Drawn series in England (2002)
Drew series in Australia (2004)
Won series in Pakistan (2004)
Won series in England (2007)
Won series in New Zealand (2009)
Drew series against an ATG SAF (2010)

Might have won the series in Australia (2007/08) if not for atrocious umpiring.

Competed brilliantly against a strong SAF side in 2006/07 (won Test at Wanderers).....

If the current side draws at the Gabba thereby avoiding a series defeat and then goes onto win in England and South Africa this year....it will dislodge 3D&K's Indian team. Winning WTC at Lords could just be an icing on the cake.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Greatest Asian Test sides:

1. Present India (2015 onwards)
2. Ganguly’s India (2000-2005)
3. Imran’s Pakistan (1982-1991)

1) indian team which hasnt even won/drawn series in NZ / SA / Eng

2. What acheivements did gangulys india get in that 5 year period?

 

[TheSultan]

Dear oh dear, did I just read an Indian fan say that this Indian team would wipe the floor with Imran's Pakistan team?

Doesn't that then imply this Indian team would beat the Windies team of the 80s?

By extension, doesn't that imply that this Indian team is the greatest team of all time?

Why waste space in the title of this thread by saying this is the Greatest "Asian" Team. Why not just say this is the Greatest team of all time period?!

Sounds silly doesn't it. Oh well - kids

 

[JaDed]

1) indian team which hasnt even won/drawn series in NZ / SA / Eng

2. What acheivements did gangulys india get in that 5 year period?

In that logic 2007-2010... we won in Eng, NZ, Drew in SA..

 

[szrana007]

Still a long way to go before this team beats the Indian team of the 2000s under 3D&K and becomes the GOAT Asian team. It's surely the next best though.

That Indian team had

Drawn series in England (2002)
Drew series in Australia (2004)
Won series in Pakistan (2004)
Won series in England (2007)
Won series in New Zealand (2009)
Drew series against an ATG SAF (2010)

Might have won the series in Australia (2007/08) if not for atrocious umpiring.

Competed brilliantly against a strong SAF side in 2006/07 (won Test at Wanderers).....

If the current side draws at the Gabba thereby avoiding a series defeat and then goes onto win in England and South Africa this year....it will dislodge 3D&K's Indian team. Winning WTC at Lords could just be an icing on the cake.

This team doesn't need to win in Eng and SA to be the best Asian team ever, they just need to win the current series vs Aus. Winning in Aus twice is a massive massive achievement for any Asian team.

 

[Amjid Javed]

In that logic 2007-2010... we won in Eng, NZ, Drew in SA..

Indian fan mamoon named time period not me.

 

[JaDed]

Indian fan mamoon named time period not me.

I assumed it meant as a criteria for being GOAT Asian team.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Dear oh dear, did I just read an Indian fan say that this Indian team would wipe the floor with Imran's Pakistan team?

Doesn't that then imply this Indian team would beat the Windies team of the 80s?

By extension, doesn't that imply that this Indian team is the greatest team of all time?

Why waste space in the title of this thread by saying this is the Greatest "Asian" Team. Why not just say this is the Greatest team of all time period?!

Sounds silly doesn't it. Oh well - kids

What are your rankings for greatest ever teams ?

 

[Buffet]

India has been the GOAT Asian test side for nearly 6 years now. But the bar is actually very low considering that Pakistan test side has only reached 111 points at its peak. India has been consistently above that mark for a few years now.

Nope, the peak rating for Pakistan is 112 points. Misbah team got to 111 points.

Pakistan's peak rating is 120 points, back in 2006, not 111 points.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2006...-above-england-in-world-test-rankings/1800622

Article is dated JUly 2006, but looks wrong in reporting. Just go directly to ICC.


In July 2006,







In Aug 2006,



I have not seen any ICC direct source for peak rating above 112 for Pakistan.

 

[Fahdi]

In term of records and achievements I agree. No other Asian team has been number 1 for as long and dominated at home to this degree. Imran's team has some great series performances and is rightly rated but being consistently in the number 1 position and the W/L ratio itself puts them ahead.

If the 2 teams were to play head to head I think it would be extremely competitive, I reckon Imran's team might just edge it in the end since Pakistan tends to come out on top in head to head often barring any competition with "world" in the title. But these are hypothetical scenarios, they have their place in these sort of discussions since we are comparing across eras but the sheer weight of India's record over the last 10 years is overwhelming.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I assumed it meant as a criteria for being GOAT Asian team.

Gangulys goat team which drew in zimbabwe, lost in SA and NZ. Plus the much overhyped draw against an understrenghed Aussies in Aus.

 

[TheSultan]

What are your rankings for greatest ever teams ?

1. Windies late70s-80s
2. Aus 1999-2006/7

Aussies are behind because they had more than one slip-up. West Indies were dominant for so long - No-one else comes close to that level of dominance, so no point being in the frame.

I never watched Bradman's Invincibles.