Just like it suited Pakistanis with the Miandad six for all these 30 years lol...kuch bhi
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Just like it suited Pakistanis with the Miandad six for all these 30 years lol...kuch bhi
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Texaco has met his matchyeah taxi, talk nah
I never agreed to that either.. in the other thread you can read my post [MENTION=44367]anakin[/MENTION]
Fair enough then, but this ludicrous theory of psyche has floated the boated of quite a few PPers and was too tempting not to let it go this time....
With all due seriousness Husseys innings is #1 due to the sheer mountain and the challenge Aussies faced, Kohli's was a mild climb up the Aravalis whilst Hussey had to conquer the Everest...
Then be Marlon
Then Root/Kohli
And a notable mention to Mushfiq- has to be the greatest innings ever played for the oppo- forever the bridesmaid, never the bride
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Its speculation. Just like Tendu comment or Ponting comment.
Everyone does in cricket and nobody calls it the truth cos it can't be proven.
But you see, that was hardly the main point of this thread. More of a passing comment which of course cannot be proven.
When people start digging up every nook and cranny to disprove speculative points as a counter to the main point, you know the debate has ended.
This is EXACTLY what is clutching at straws.
Thank you for playing again.
And again.
How? Both required close to 12-13 runs per over to win. Very similar situations.
Right from the start I have been against that part of your opening post only. That was the central point of my debate.. lol..
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I think we needed 326 of 37 and he smashed 133 odd of 80 something ball,amazing thing was he tore malinga of all people apart I think malinga went for 96 runs in 7 or 8 overs where he kept smashing his yorkers ball after ball.
You thought you would get away insulting past greats like viv and javed.. Now when you are caught you are calling it a side story. If you cannot back it up don't mention it. Thanking others for exposing flaws in your post is a good gesture.
Strange that you call a theory bad and then use it yourself because it was been used against your team in the past.
Pak beat India because it had a much better team.
Flattest of pitches after a dream start.
Better bowling attack, less amount of overs left and arguably the best offspinner in LOI's since Saqlain
When you cant beat them, join them or called showing the mirror- this bad theory is bandied about as near truth and gospel
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lol..
Says a guy who posts this:
Yeah insulting indeed.
Got caught indeed.
Came into the main argument about compulsions and when I blew it apart, switched over to safety net of Viv cos there people can't come after you.
The fact that you need to vehemently attack a speculation ("I insulted past greats"
) without ever breaching the main topic's defenses shows who caught whom.Strawman king.
Thanks for playing one final time.
34 off last 2 overs?? one over by Ajmal who in 2010 was a beast
lol..
Says a guy who posts this:
Yeah insulting indeed.
Got caught indeed.
Came into the main argument about compulsions and when I blew it apart, switched over to safety net of Viv cos there people can't come after you.
The fact that you need to vehemently attack a speculation ("I insulted past greats"
Strawman king.
Thanks for playing one final time.
LOL.. I mentioned Javed and Inzy because you talked about ODI greats.. didn't you ?
Now eat some humble pie and change your tunes again.
Compulsion was a laughable argument .. what is there to argue against.
You should fight bad theory first.
Which is what has been done, an admission that theory is bad, from now on only need to copy the evidence
Which is what has been done, an admission that theory is bad, from now on only need to copy the evidence
You are a very logical poster it seems. Not like some teenagers here.
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You don't get it, do you?
Exactly. You thought that and tried getting in with that but soon had to back off cos you had no response for it.
I am done with you.
lol.
You don't get it, do you?
Exactly. You thought that and tried getting in with that but soon had to back off cos you had no response for it.
I am done with you.
lol.
Obviously I don't get it.
1. You should have mentioned the main and side parts of your post separately.
2. The side part should have a header saying "speculating. Don't ask me if it is correct. Too much emotional right now with Kohli."
If I still objected you could have called me a troll and I would not have minded.
You don't get it, do you?
Exactly. You thought that and tried getting in with that but soon had to back off cos you had no response for it.
I am done with you.
lol.
I tried to understand your definition of compulsion but after learning that it means not hitting sixes.. I gave up arguing. Good way to judge an innings.
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Texaco has met his match
You don't get it, do you?
Exactly. You thought that and tried getting in with that but soon had to back off cos you had no response for it.
I am done with you.
lol.
What are the odds the Mr. Taco Taco is actually CCartoons?
CC still has better trolling skills though
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You are right brother.
I have to accept my mistake.
Should have wrote a post with full disclaimers and asterisks.
Maybe consulted a lawyer too for accuracy of statements and what can and cannot be construed as main and sub points.
CC is what rabbi immortalized in his song
"bullah ki jaane main kaun"
"bullah ki jaane main kaun"
Ha ha ..
I think I should ask it differently.. If I say something like this:
Amir what a spell..in Asia cup 3 wickets ..wasim could not have done it.. Marshall was no way..
And if someone objects I will ask him to concentrate on Amir and t20 only. Don't concentrate on side stories.
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Indeed brother. Haha.
If Amir has been producing INSANE MATCH WINNING SPELLS AFTER SPELLS like Kohli has been gunning down targets (Hobart 2012, Dhaka 2012, Colombo SF 2014, Ranchi 2014 or 15, Dhaka against Pakistan 2016, Kolkata against Pakistan 2016)....and is widely called as the greatest LOI batting order destroyer (just like Kohli is known as the greatest chaser or a chaser who has done unbelievable things)...
And then if he produces ANOTHER INSANE MATCH WINNING BATTING ORDER DESTROYING SPELL IN MOHALI from the toughest position and I say
"This has got to be the greatest T20 spell ever."
And then I go and spend 90% of my post explaining the details and then finally say....I really don't think this is something Wasim or Marshall could have done.....
AND THEN a fine poster like you comes and says
"OP is a teenager who hasn't seen Chaminda Vaas and Jason Gillespie in their prime. He is just emotional"
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When that happens, people would kinda
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Indeed brother. Haha.
If Amir has been producing INSANE MATCH WINNING SPELLS AFTER SPELLS like Kohli has been gunning down targets (Hobart 2012, Dhaka 2012, Colombo SF 2014, Ranchi 2014 or 15, Dhaka against Pakistan 2016, Kolkata against Pakistan 2016)....and is widely called as the greatest LOI batting order destroyer (just like Kohli is known as the greatest chaser or a chaser who has done unbelievable things)...
And then if he produces ANOTHER INSANE MATCH WINNING BATTING ORDER DESTROYING SPELL IN MOHALI from the toughest position and I say
"This has got to be the greatest T20 spell ever."
And then I go and spend 90% of my post explaining the details and then finally say....I really don't think this is something Wasim or Marshall could have done.....
AND THEN a fine poster like you comes and says
"OP is a teenager who hasn't seen Chaminda Vaas and Jason Gillespie in their prime. He is just emotional"
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When that happens, people would kinda
Can't believe you're trying to do what I think you're trying to do here SIF
This is what you're practically achieving right now:
Indeed brother. Haha.
If Amir has been producing INSANE MATCH WINNING SPELLS AFTER SPELLS like Kohli has been gunning down targets (Hobart 2012, Dhaka 2012, Colombo SF 2014, Ranchi 2014 or 15, Dhaka against Pakistan 2016, Kolkata against Pakistan 2016)....and is widely called as the greatest LOI batting order destroyer (just like Kohli is known as the greatest chaser or a chaser who has done unbelievable things)...
And then if he produces ANOTHER INSANE MATCH WINNING BATTING ORDER DESTROYING SPELL IN MOHALI from the toughest position and I say
"This has got to be the greatest T20 spell ever."
And then I go and spend 90% of my post explaining the details and then finally say....I really don't think this is something Wasim or Marshall could have done.....
AND THEN a fine poster like you comes and says
"OP is a teenager who hasn't seen Chaminda Vaas and Jason Gillespie in their prime. He is just emotional"
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When that happens, people would kinda
Do an innings becomes better because the player has played good innings in the past ?
Kohli is recognized as best ever loi batsman ?
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You asked what compulsions..I explained it in post #264.
You didn't pay attention to anything I said and replied to that very post asking WHAT compulsions again.
For which I replied saying its ok for you to not agree with the viewpoint but don't keep asking the same questions which doesn't move the discussion forward.
For which you are now referring to another post saying I didn't explain anything.
For which I am replying to you now.
You said:
1. Sixes were taken off the table due to BIG grounds and pitch holding up
2. 10 rpo needed for 10 overs literally
3. No one smashing it from the other end (Dhoni in the end had a couple of boundaries but Kohli did everything)
4. He can't go on a suicide mission cos India would lose if he gets out (very likely)
Hussey had worse conditions:
1. 12 an over required for 7.3 overs which went to 48 required off 2.5, 17 rpo.
2. Hussey was a similar player to Kohli, could not hit sixes at will like Gayle or ABD
3. He scored 60 of the 92 scored when he was at the crease
4. Same situation for Hussey, they had lost 7 wickets and need 48 off 2.5 overs, if he got out, Pak would surely win
5. Semifinal
6. Ajmal, Amir, Hafeez Afridi, Rehman and Razzaq are a much better attack then this Aussie attack, these guys lost all the T20s at home
You were saying?
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I do not think that it was the best t20 innings- it is up there.
Samuels and Hussey Innings were better for me.
TBH- I wanted india to lose badly and at no point did I feel that they would. They needed 60 off 5 overs whilst dhoni and kohli were there, and I always thought between them they had it in order.
I guess the only thing suprising on that wicket was that kohli did not need dhoni and did it pretty much by himself. But genuinely 60-65 off 5 Dhoni could easily have slugged a couple of sixes if needed.
Still a top top innings no doubt
Samuels and Hussey Innings were better for me.
TBH- I wanted india to lose badly and at no point did I feel that they would. They needed 60 off 5 overs whilst dhoni and kohli were there, and I always thought between them they had it in order.
I guess the only thing suprising on that wicket was that kohli did not need dhoni and did it pretty much by himself. But genuinely 60-65 off 5 Dhoni could easily have slugged a couple of sixes if needed.
Still a top top innings no doubt
In fact dhoni started the counter attack.
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Why are you adding Hussey's runs as a point against the conditons he faced and NOT ADDING the same point for Kohli?
Then adding another point about Hussey being a similar player to Kohli who cannot hit sixes at will AS A POINT FOR THE CONDITION HE FACED and not doing it for Kohli.
Then adding the word semi final (knockout) as a point for Hussey WITHOUT doing it for Kohli (we would get eliminated too).
That's 3 points you unnecessarily added to make your case for Hussey.
Now let's cut off everything and simplify:
1. Hussey had a TOUGHER target than Kohli. Fact.
2. Hussey faced better bowlers than Kohli. Fact.
3. But Hussey had EASIER conditions than Kohli. Fact.
Which is harder? Facing Ashwin on a turner or Warne on a patta? Honestly speaking...which one would it be?
Faulkner and Watson turning over the ball on a pitch that was gripping. I gave you a REAL EXAMPLE of Indian lineup in 2000 struggling to score when Kiwis did that. Check the scorecard.
The pitch DID NOT hold up for Hussey. He could smash sixes. That was not the case with Kohli. He could not go for slaughter fest.
4. But Hussey had to score more than Kohli. Fact.
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So taking everything into account, its even stevens to me.
That's why today I posted (in the prev page) that thinking about it Hussey's innings was right up there with Kohli.
Brutal hitting vs Absolute thinking.
As I said, there are WAY WAY better innings than Kohli's yesterday knock if you are just gonna see runs needed and bowlers. But Kohli was tied up from all ends and he came out trumps through exhibition of batting of the highest order which is why he gets my vote.
But Hussey did something incredible too.
So tie for me.
Hussey being superior than Kohli's is something I can agree too.
Marlon being superior than Kohli's is something I can understand but will not agree.
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Can't believe you're trying to do what I think you're trying to do here SIF
This is what you're practically achieving right now:
No just having some fun.
Gonna stop anyway.
Why are you adding Hussey's runs as a point against the conditons he faced and NOT ADDING the same point for Kohli?
Then adding another point about Hussey being a similar player to Kohli who cannot hit sixes at will AS A POINT FOR THE CONDITION HE FACED and not doing it for Kohli.
Then adding the word semi final (knockout) as a point for Hussey WITHOUT doing it for Kohli (we would get eliminated too).
That's 3 points you unnecessarily added to make your case for Hussey.
Now let's cut off everything and simplify:
1. Hussey had a TOUGHER target than Kohli. Fact.
2. Hussey faced better bowlers than Kohli. Fact.
3. But Hussey had EASIER conditions than Kohli. Fact.
Which is harder? Facing Ashwin on a turner or Warne on a patta? Honestly speaking...which one would it be?
Faulkner and Watson turning over the ball on a pitch that was gripping. I gave you a REAL EXAMPLE of Indian lineup in 2000 struggling to score when Kiwis did that. Check the scorecard.
The pitch DID NOT hold up for Hussey. He could smash sixes. That was not the case with Kohli. He could not go for slaughter fest.
4. But Hussey had to score more than Kohli. Fact.
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So taking everything into account, its even stevens to me.
That's why today I posted (in the prev page) that thinking about it Hussey's innings was right up there with Kohli.
Brutal hitting vs Absolute thinking.
As I said, there are WAY WAY better innings than Kohli's yesterday knock if you are just gonna see runs needed and bowlers. But Kohli was tied up from all ends and he came out trumps through exhibition of batting of the highest order which is why he gets my vote.
But Hussey did something incredible too.
So tie for me.
Hussey being superior than Kohli's is something I can agree too.
Marlon being superior than Kohli's is something I can understand but will not agree.
It was only in the last 4 overs that he took the match away. After 15 overs he hadn't secured the match. In fact a few times his mishits landed safely. It wasn't a flawless innings.
No just having some fun.
Gonna stop anyway.
You keep surprising with stupid arguments. Doesn't matter how well Amir performs in a t20.. Unless you know all about wasim you can't call wasim could not have destroyed it.
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Yeah...but I don't know Chaminda Vaas too.
So can't say anyone could have performed better than him too.
Even though you guessed that I was a teenager correctly (I am 13 years old)....I know my cricket.
That's a better argument. Congrats.
Ideally you can't say about Vaas either, but greater the player, more justification you need to provide. If you are talking about an ATG not having the "ability" to do something like you just saw, you need solid arguments on why. That ATG has been analyzed by millions for flaws and abilities in his game, so you better be proper in presenting the view that it was his limitation. Was Viv not good in building innings ? Pressure situations ? Finding gaps ? Running etc. ?
What is the reason he could not have done it ?
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Why are you adding Hussey's runs as a point against the conditons he faced and NOT ADDING the same point for Kohli?
Then adding another point about Hussey being a similar player to Kohli who cannot hit sixes at will AS A POINT FOR THE CONDITION HE FACED and not doing it for Kohli.
Then adding the word semi final (knockout) as a point for Hussey WITHOUT doing it for Kohli (we would get eliminated too).
That's 3 points you unnecessarily added to make your case for Hussey.
Now let's cut off everything and simplify:
1. Hussey had a TOUGHER target than Kohli. Fact.
2. Hussey faced better bowlers than Kohli. Fact.
3. But Hussey had EASIER conditions than Kohli. Fact.
Which is harder? Facing Ashwin on a turner or Warne on a patta? Honestly speaking...which one would it be?
Faulkner and Watson turning over the ball on a pitch that was gripping. I gave you a REAL EXAMPLE of Indian lineup in 2000 struggling to score when Kiwis did that. Check the scorecard.
The pitch DID NOT hold up for Hussey. He could smash sixes. That was not the case with Kohli. He could not go for slaughter fest.
4. But Hussey had to score more than Kohli. Fact.
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So taking everything into account, its even stevens to me.
That's why today I posted (in the prev page) that thinking about it Hussey's innings was right up there with Kohli.
Brutal hitting vs Absolute thinking.
As I said, there are WAY WAY better innings than Kohli's yesterday knock if you are just gonna see runs needed and bowlers. But Kohli was tied up from all ends and he came out trumps through exhibition of batting of the highest order which is why he gets my vote.
But Hussey did something incredible too.
So tie for me.
Hussey being superior than Kohli's is something I can agree too.
Marlon being superior than Kohli's is something I can understand but will not agree.
At least you agreed re Hussey, Samuels' knock is better than both Hussey's and Kohli's knock easily considering pitch, bowling attack, it being a Final away from home and scoring at ~1.75 times the rate of the rest of the batsmen (78 off 56 vs 51 off 64 including extras) while Kohli scored 82 off 51 vs the rest scoring 79 off 54.
Yes definitely there could be / will be better innings than this. I think instead of projecting this one innings, OP could have actually appreciated the growth of Kohli with every match and particularly the way he is building the innings without slogging and without hitting power shots! I think he just got emotional and carried away with the innings (neutrals will see it in different angle). Talking about just one innings, I think Rohit's two double centuries are absolute miracles, but he still is upsetting India's chances in so many matches and not even playing a supporting role to Kohli.
Hussey was a great player OK, but Samuels is a nothing man apart from that innings. No teams are scared of him and working any strategy.
Likewise each player is different from the other.
Hussey was a great player OK, but Samuels is a nothing man apart from that innings. No teams are scared of him and working any strategy.
Likewise each player is different from the other.
Fully agree.. he got emotional because his team was losing and Kohli won them the match.. in the heat of the moment he created the thread and got carried away putting Kohli's innings better than and out of reach of all the ODI greats. They could not have played like this.. was a preposterous statement to make.
When asked about it, he was crying that why people are questioning his post and why not accept the truth he is saying. Using arguments like "I knew this was the innings when I saw it. I am telling you".
Now later people gave 2-3 innings which were played in T20 by players like Hussey and Samuels.. this completely owned him and he had nowhere to hide.
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Nope. Not emotional.
Stand by my view.
Stand by my view.
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His 66 not out against Pakistan and few other knocks in Australia only reinforce how this guy is considered a threat yet nobody can come up with a strategy which makes this knock special. Nobody is going to consider samuels a threat to pull off magic. Once in a while some random guy can pull off magic. This guy does it time after time yet nobody can do anything about it. So it is not an outlandish claim this is the best ever. When you are up against steep asking rate and you have no choice but to go nuts, you will do that which is what Hussey did. He clicked. Same Hussey failed against same team in another world T20 with 68 in 30 required and he couldn't do a thing about it. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/533294.html
LOL what a stupid logic is this..
The fact that he is using "teenager" as an insult says volumes about his intelligence. I have seen teenagers much more knowledgable than adults.There is a saying. "You cant win an argument with stupid people. They will bring u down to their level and beat you with experience." 
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When you are going to decide which is better you have to come up with a reason. You cannot blindly say something is better. It is just an opinion. There is no way you can measure which is better. I gave enough reasons why i rate this is the best ever by some distance. Because India was hopeless after first 3 wickets also there was a deep sense of fear for all fan , law of average would catch up with Kohli. Scoreline showed that. Kohli 82 in 51 balls. Next highest Yuvraj 21 in 17 balls. He singlehandedly won the game for them by building the innings first and accelerating in the middle and exploding in the end. You can feel otherwise. No issues.
What do you mean by law of averages would catch up with Kohli ? He failed in the last encounter against BD.. so law of averages should support him.
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What a great match that was.
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1 year ago today. Probably the greatest t20 knock I have ever seen.
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Me too. Haha.
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That six over long off...
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