The ''hype'' around Jofra Archer and Mark Wood's pace

[Grunge101]

Its getting cringe worthy now from Nasser and co.''fire power'' being mentioned again and again. ''Archer bowls at 94 mph and Wood at 93 mph'' Nasser Hussain.

Hyperbole galore.. Those might be their maximum speeds but no way do these bowl at that speeds on average. and theyre not the only ones doing it. Husnain is no slower than Archer and Wahab no slower than Wood. Starc and Cummins are the same. Rabada and Ngidi are only marginally slower.

Maybe im over reacting a bit but listening to them, you'd be lead to believe Brett Lee and Shoaib Akhter are playing in the same team

 

[randomcricketfan]

Agree. Whenever England win the toss, they should always bat first. Their army of trundlers and darters are useless whenever they bowl first.

 

[Sin Nombre]

Mark Wood has a bowling average of 45, he is poor. Archer, time will tell if he is any good.

 

[big_gamer007]

Archer is bowling good. I rate him highly.

Wood is average, don't rate him highly he's a decent backup bowler nothing more.

 

[Technics 1210]

They are still showing Stoke's catch vs SA.

Go figure!

 

[Ram Shekhar]

Wood is a very very good bowler, Archer is too. But I'm not convinced about Archer in crunch situations. Fakhar attacked him well today. I will follow Australia and India games very closely.

 

[coredev]

but as per pakistanis.. pace is pace yaar..or does that apply only when pakistanis bowl phasst.

 

[geraltofrivia]

Its getting cringe worthy now from Nasser and co.''fire power'' being mentioned again and again. ''Archer bowls at 94 mph and Wood at 93 mph'' Nasser Hussain.

Hyperbole galore.. Those might be their maximum speeds but no way do these bowl at that speeds on average. and theyre not the only ones doing it. Husnain is no slower than Archer and Wahab no slower than Wood. Starc and Cummins are the same. Rabada and Ngidi are only marginally slower.

Maybe im over reacting a bit but listening to them, you'd be lead to believe Brett Lee and Shoaib Akhter are playing in the same team

bumrah?

 

[Grunge101]

bumrah?

Bumrah was 90mph when he started but hes dropped a bit of that lately.
Tho, hes also a much better bowler now overall.

 

[Grunge101]

but as per pakistanis.. pace is pace yaar..or does that apply only when pakistanis bowl phasst.

My problem isnt with them hyping pace.. On that i actually agree, raw pace makes a difference.
My problem is with the clear cut exaggeration. One ball bowled at 94mph doesnt make you a 94mph bowler. Both Archer and Wood are 90mph on average at best. And there are a number of bowlers around the world doing that already for some time. So i dont really get it

 

[HitWicket]

They are still showing Stoke's catch vs SA.

Go figure!

They're still showing a player catch that's right up there as one of the best in recent memory? What's there to figure, of course you'd show it?

 

[hadi123]

Agree. Whenever England win the toss, they should always bat first. Their army of trundlers and darters are useless whenever they bowl first.

Seriously? Their chasing is immense.

 

[jnaveen1980]

They were overdoing their short stuffs on a docile surface. Wasted the ball.

 

[MenInG]

Mark Wood up to 94.5 mph in his first over. Quickest of match.

Think Pakistan better pay attention to Wood as well - too much talk of Archer.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Almost all of the bowling attack will hurt Pakistan's batting. Azhar, Asad, Fawad and Shan Masood will be facing very very difficult spells from the England pacers.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

94.9 mph by Wood. Wood averaged around 142 kph in SA when he took a fifer in a test patch. Fastest english bowler right now.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

90, 94, 93, 95 - speeds of Wood in a single over after the completion of first 4 balls..

If this bloke isn't genuinely fast, I don't know who is.

 

[andy0204]

Wood is consistently bowling in 90's.

 

[Forum363]

Wood is seriously quick, especially considering this is a test match where speeds are generally a bit slower.

Archer has been a bit slower, but to be fair to him he’s only been resting for a few months. Bowlers of his pace require a lot longer than that to recover. He is the best in the world after all.

 

[shamaan]

Almost all of the bowling attack will hurt Pakistan's batting. Azhar, Asad, Fawad and Shan Masood will be facing very very difficult spells from the England pacers.

Am sure Pakistan can say the same
Medium pace from abbas
Left arm from shaheen
Pace from naseem

 

[shamaan]

Wood is seriously quick, especially considering this is a test match where speeds are generally a bit slower.

Archer has been a bit slower, but to be fair to him he’s only been resting for a few months. Bowlers of his pace require a lot longer than that to recover. He is the best in the world after all.

Who's best in the world lol

 

[shamaan]

They were overdoing their short stuffs on a docile surface. Wasted the ball.

100 percent thiers was enough in the pitch no need to bang the ball in clueless thinking by england

 

[shamaan]

but as per pakistanis.. pace is pace yaar..or does that apply only when pakistanis bowl phasst.

Yes pace is pace in asain conditions you need it in them conditions in english conditions u need control and and swing and seem

 

[therealAB]

They are both quick, but that doesn't make them good. See B.Lee, fast as anyone but completely rubbish

 

[Junaids]

You would think that with Hasnain, Rauf, Wahab and Naseem in the squad, Pakistan should be extremely well prepared to face bowlers like Archer and Wood who don't offer much more than extreme pace.

 

[Rayyman]

He is England’s fastest

10 fastest bowlers rn:
Ferguson
Starc
Nortje
Wood
Rabada
Gabriel
Kumara
Archer
Naseem
Bumrah

 

[Robert]

Wood and Archer are England’s two fastest bowlers ever, I think. Unless Tyson’s speed is exaggerated.

 

[Kingpin786]

He is England’s fastest

10 fastest bowlers rn:
Ferguson
Starc
Nortje
Wood
Rabada
Gabriel
Kumara
Archer
Naseem
Bumrah

Agreed but you missed cummins who is quicker than bumrah and rabada in terms of average speed

 

[TeymurBlake]

Am sure Pakistan can say the same
Medium pace from abbas
Left arm from shaheen
Pace from naseem

Not sure, considering how these guys bowled in Australia. It more difficult for Abbas, Naseem and Shaheen to click then the England bowlers.

 

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

When it comes to pace bowlers, if there was a choice-I would still prefer Pakistan to face these guys as opposed to Broad and Woakes.

 

[sindhiboy]

When it comes to pace bowlers, if there was a choice-I would still prefer Pakistan to face these guys as opposed to Broad and Woakes.

I think it's the combination of broad woakes and jofra or wood. Wood and jofra can't play in the same game. So far, wood is proving to be better

 

[Ahmed216]

To dismiss decent batsmen in test cricket pace is not enough.Replacing a bowler of stuart broad's quality and experience by wood shows how poor England think tank is.
Broad must be angry and disappointed

 

[Nikhil_cric]

95.1 mph from Wood today.

 

[Robert]

To dismiss decent batsmen in test cricket pace is not enough.Replacing a bowler of stuart broad's quality and experience by wood shows how poor England think tank is.
Broad must be angry and disappointed

He is, but I would pick Broad and Wood, not Archer at present. Wood was excellent in SA.

 

[sindhiboy]

Braithwaite is an underrated opener.

 

[QalandarFan]

To dismiss decent batsmen in test cricket pace is not enough.Replacing a bowler of stuart broad's quality and experience by wood shows how poor England think tank is.
Broad must be angry and disappointed

Yep, he said he was in an interview and rightly so. England are losing their mind over guys who can ball fast. Stuart Broad should always be starting in Test Matches in England. Wood averages like 40 in Test Matches for crying out loud. It’s not like Wood is that young either he’s already 30 and with a guy like him who relies so heavily on pace it’s not like he’s the future either he’ll start to lose that pace pretty soon.

England’s best testing bowling line-up is Anderson, Broad, Woakes and Archer as the 4th seamer if needed. But this is not LOI’s where u can intimidate teams with 90mph pace.

 

[QalandarFan]

When it comes to pace bowlers, if there was a choice-I would still prefer Pakistan to face these guys as opposed to Broad and Woakes.

Agreed we haven’t had any trouble against these guys, whereas against Broad and Woakes we have because oh wait they actually swing the bowl, like your supposed to in test cricket.

 

[ssuhaide]

Yep, he said he was in an interview and rightly so. England are losing their mind over guys who can ball fast. Stuart Broad should always be starting in Test Matches in England. Wood averages like 40 in Test Matches for crying out loud. It’s not like Wood is that young either he’s already 30 and with a guy like him who relies so heavily on pace it’s not like he’s the future either he’ll start to lose that pace pretty soon.

England’s best testing bowling line-up is Anderson, Broad, Woakes and Archer as the 4th seamer if needed. But this is not LOI’s where u can intimidate teams with 90mph pace.

Mark woods average is 31 not 40. And he has performed well most recently so I think he selection is on merit. I am always of the opinion of a balanced attack so putting into consideration conditions would have played only one of Archer or Wood.

 

[asadee]

Both exposed big time in this match

 

[QalandarFan]

Mark woods average is 31 not 40. And he has performed well most recently so I think he selection is on merit. I am always of the opinion of a balanced attack so putting into consideration conditions would have played only one of Archer or Wood.

Oh yeah I mixed up his ODI average.

Both of which are poor especially considering he gets the luxury of bowling in England.

 

[HitWicket]

Oh yeah I mixed up his ODI average.

Both of which are poor especially considering he gets the luxury of bowling in England.

He's looked like a completely different bowler since his return and the change in his run up for the West Indies series at the start of last year.

 

[Titan24]

I have said quite a few times before that high pace alone is nothing especially in the modern day cricket where all batsmen have a lot of training facilities in which they can face 90 mph and even more consistently. However, if someone can swing the ball or reverse it at a high accuracy and at a high pace then thats something which can be impactful. Around 140 kph consistency is enough pace to be a highly impactful bowler if one has accuracy as well as movement.

Pat Cummins is the no 1 test bowler in the world and he bowls consistently around that 140 kph mark and moves it and has control over what he is doing.

 

[Markhor]

There's 6 Tests in a fairly short space of time. I'm sure all the pacers will be rotated throughout the summer.

 

[Forum363]

Who's best in the world lol

Archer - according to many Pakpassioners

 

[shamaan]

Not sure, considering how these guys bowled in Australia. It more difficult for Abbas, Naseem and Shaheen to click then the England bowlers.

Austrlia is different conditions pluss england batting isnt as established compared to austrlia

 

[shamaan]

Archer - according to many Pakpassioners

Lol hes a good bowler but defo not in the top 4 maybe top 8 currently

 

[shamaan]

There's 6 Tests in a fairly short space of time. I'm sure all the pacers will be rotated throughout the summer.

They should have tried winning the first and second test then rest they done oppsitite

 

[shamaan]

He is, but I would pick Broad and Wood, not Archer at present. Wood was excellent in SA.

Yes wood would be good in SA and austrlia were thiers alot if bounce

 

[shamaan]

When it comes to pace bowlers, if there was a choice-I would still prefer Pakistan to face these guys as opposed to Broad and Woakes.

Agreed

 

[Abdullah719]

Not much success for either yet.

 

[sweep_shot]

Archer got hyped up due to his performances in some ordinary T20 leagues. I think this guy will be gone in 2-3 years.

Overrated.

 

[shamaan]

Not much success for either yet.

Tbh the west indies batsman have played the short bowl really well dropping thier hands ect

 

[MenInG]

Tbh the west indies batsman have played the short bowl really well dropping thier hands ect

Hope Pakistan batsmen are watching this.

 

[Ab Fan]

You pay the prize when you don't pick a bowler of Stuart Broad quality.

 

[TeymurBlake]

West Indies are playing pretty good. Neutralising Archer and Woods, the way they have is a clear evidence that the England bowlers can be kept at bay.

As long as the Pakistan batsman follow suit and follow this plan, they should be fine. Depends if they go with this plan though.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Austrlia is different conditions pluss england batting isnt as established compared to austrlia

Regardless of different conditions, Pakistan bowlers were needed to deliver then and are expected to do they same against England. Yes England's team isn't completely established, that doesn't mean they don't have home advantage. Once they find ways to neutralize Shaheen, Naseem and Abbas, they will attack Yasir Shah.

 

[Kroll]

Let the English have their fun with years of Alan Mullaly and Dominic Cork type bowlers.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

I don't find any England bowler more threatening than Woakes. It may change after this tour, but uptil now, there's no one that comes close to him.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Archer got hyped up due to his performances in some ordinary T20 leagues. I think this guy will be gone in 2-3 years.

Overrated.

Don’t forget a fluke world cup final over.

 

[sweep_shot]

Don’t forget a fluke world cup final over.

Yeah.

He had his moments initially but teams are starting to dominate him. He is not anything special other than having a bit of pace and occasional awkward bounce.

If Archer is the best England have, they are in big trouble.

 

[sindhiboy]

These two should only bowl in tandem in Australia or the subcontinent

 

[andy0204]

Let them surpass over Devon Malcolm then we will discuss how good they are.

 

[alishahid]

His bowling style is very similar to Alex Tudor. Good bowler but is not spoken about much compared to the likes of darren gough and all.

 

[alishahid]

His bowling style is very similar to Alex Tudor. Good bowler but is not spoken about much compared to the likes of darren gough and all.

Might end up being very similar to tudor. Good on his days but nothing special to fall under the legendary category

 

[shamaan]

Regardless of different conditions, Pakistan bowlers were needed to deliver then and are expected to do they same against England. Yes England's team isn't completely established, that doesn't mean they don't have home advantage. Once they find ways to neutralize Shaheen, Naseem and Abbas, they will attack Yasir Shah.

Home advantage pakistan has been more than decent in tests against england in last couple series.home advantage they not using that properly against west indies r they

 

[shamaan]

Hope Pakistan batsmen are watching this.

Yes agreed as soon as they try taking archer and wood in then it will be good bye for thier wicket

 

[TeymurBlake]

Home advantage pakistan has been more than decent in tests against england in last couple series.home advantage they not using that properly against west indies r they

Anderson, Broad, Woods and Archer definitely going to be superior in front of Shaheen, Naseem, Abbas, Imran Khan, Sohail Khan and Wahab Riaz.

 

[shamaan]

Anderson, Broad, Woods and Archer definitely going to be superior in front of Shaheen, Naseem, Abbas, Imran Khan, Sohail Khan and Wahab Riaz.

Of course anderson and broad are they been playing for over 10 years or so wood and archer havent done much shaheen has same average in tests than archer.

Naseem has bigger pedigree than wood.

 

[ahmadharis1]

No doubt in my mind that if Mark Wood and Jofra Archer were Pakistani we'd be hyping them up as the next Wasim/Waqar

 

[hitthestump]

No doubt in my mind that if Mark Wood and Jofra Archer were Pakistani we'd be hyping them up as the next Wasim/Waqar

There's no way Pakistani selectors would have persisted with Wood for this long. Pakistan get through fast bowlers like food stalls get through ghee.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

There's no way Pakistani selectors would have persisted with Wood for this long. Pakistan get through fast bowlers like food stalls get through ghee.

The curse of a fast bowling legacy coupled with a desi media hype machine.

If we had Wood, we would drop him because “there’s someone better waiting in the wings”.

At the end of the process, we have not developed anyone and 3-4 youngsters have their careers destroyed.

Inzi and MA did well to give Shaheen Imam and Shadab an extended run.

 

[Robert]

Don’t forget a fluke world cup final over.

Such bitterness.

 

[Robert]

Let the English have their fun with years of Alan Mullaly and Dominic Cork type bowlers.

Cork took 7-43 against WI in his first test, and bowled England to several other victories. Yes, another one of him please!

Mullaly was a good ODI bowler but not a test bowler.

 

[Markhor]

Naseem has bigger pedigree than wood.

Naseem hasn't done anything yet against decent opposition.

Not saying the lad doesn't have talent or potential, but Wood helped bowl England to victory away in South Africa.

 

[Pete Rose]

Naseem hasn't done anything yet against decent opposition.

Not saying the lad doesn't have talent or potential, but Wood helped bowl England to victory away in South Africa.

Mark Wood doesn’t seem to know how to bowl in England. I recall all his memorable performances to be away from home. I suspect he will make away from Woakes - he is the talisman cricketer against Pakistan

 

[James]

Archer and Wood are good bowlers, and frighteningly quick, but I'm not sure there is room for them both in the same Test XI. I would still consider Anderson and Broad to be England's frontline new ball bowlers, with Archer and Wood rotating at first change.

IMO the bowling lineup should always be Anderson, Broad, Stokes; then one of Archer or Wood; and one specialist spin bowler - with Root providing backup spin.

 

[shamaan]

Naseem hasn't done anything yet against decent opposition.

Not saying the lad doesn't have talent or potential, but Wood helped bowl England to victory away in South Africa.

That's cuz the conditions suited him SA pitches are bouncy naseem shah already has a hat trick not against the strongest but stil hat trick is hat trick

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Mark Wood doesn’t seem to know how to bowl in England. I recall all his memorable performances to be away from home. I suspect he will make away from Woakes - he is the talisman cricketer against Pakistan

They are trying to develop an attack that can be effective in all conditions and for important away tours of Australia, India etc. where Wood's pace will be extremely crucial. Hence, the consideration of the likes of Olly Stone and saqib Mahmood who are among the fastest bowlers in England along with Archer and Wood. The "English conditions" attack is quite obviously Anderson/Broad/Woakes but they're looking ahead I suppose.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Such bitterness.

I am happy for England, I really am. I have pure admiration for Stokes and the way he finished that game, even if he got lucky on the way. He truly deserved that moment. But while I believe Jofra bowled quite well, I don’t think he bowled any better than say Shaheen, Boult, Shami, or M Amir would have.

England won by the skin of their teeth and Jofra is given too much credit for that final over where the scores were leveled once more. Good prospect, I just disagree with people hyping him to the moon.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Jofra also got too much adulation for hitting Steve Smith in the head in the Ashes right after, as opposed to taking his wicket which I would have been more impressed by.