The iconic Pakistan versus India Group 1 clash at the ICC T20 World Cup (2021)

[MenInG]

Lot of hype already being generated!

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A clash between India and Pakistan is always a “high intensity” game but the team is not currently thinking about the T20 World Cup as there is a lot of cricket left before the marquee event, said experienced seamer Bhuvneshwar Kumar.

Arch-rivals India and Pakistan were on Friday placed in the same group for the T20 World Cup as the ICC announced the pools for its flagship event, set to be played in the UAE and Oman from October 17 to November 14.

“Look, it is always exciting to play against Pakistan and it is always a pressure match, so of course it is going to be, you know, a high intensity match,” Bhuvneshwar, who is currently in Sri Lanka for the limited over series, said at a virtual press conference.

“But to be honest we haven’t really thought about it, how it is going to be, because we have got a lot of cricket left, we have got matches in Sri Lanka, of course Test matches in England and then IPL and then World Cup.”

India and Pakistan are placed in Group 2 along with World Test Championship winners New Zealand and Afghanistan.

“But once of course the IPL gets over, we will start thinking about that (World Cup),” said the 31-year-old Meerut-born pacer.

Former India opener Gautam Gambhir, who has been part of many India-Pakistan games in his career, said senior players such as skipper Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma will play a big role in the marquee clash.

“…it is the responsibility of the senior guys to probably keep the younger guys calm because ultimately it’s not the emotion that will win you a game of cricket, it is the contest between the bat and the ball that will end up winning you a game of cricket,” Gambhir said on Star Sports’ show ‘ICC T20 World Cup Special’.

“So people like Virat Kohli for example, or Rohit Sharma will have a huge responsibility when Indian takes on Pakistan.”

Gambhir said India should get rid of its obsession with wins at 2007 T20 World Cup and 2011 ODI World Cup.

“It was special (being a part of the 2007 T20 World Cup squad), but I have forgotten about it,” said the Delhi batsman, who had scored a match-winning 97 against Sri Lanka in the 2011 World Cup final.

“To be honest, India needs to move on from that. 2007, it’s what, more than 13 years ago and I think we need to get rid of this obsession of 2007 and 2011.”

The Groups of Super 12s have been selected on the basis of team rankings as of March 20, according to the International Cricket Council. Two teams will join each of the groups from the qualifying rounds.

The tournament was originally scheduled to be held in India but was moved out of the country due to an expected third wave of the coronavirus.
https://indianexpress.com/article/s...tan-high-intensity-bhuvneshwar-kumar-7408144/

 

[AMSS]

The broadcasters and the entourage they sponsor would like it to be seen as such. It would likely be the most watched as well.

But how many on this forum recall the last ODI WC match between these two teams as iconic? It feels like every iteration this encounter loses a little of its gloss.

 

[kukkad kamaal]

Babar Azam will create history

 

[MenInG]

The broadcasters and the entourage they sponsor would like it to be seen as such. It would likely be the most watched as well.

But how many on this forum recall the last ODI WC match between these two teams as iconic? It feels like every iteration this encounter loses a little of its gloss.

Fact that press and players are already talking about it tells me that gloss or not, its very much talked about and will be until its over.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

The broadcasters and the entourage they sponsor would like it to be seen as such. It would likely be the most watched as well.

But how many on this forum recall the last ODI WC match between these two teams as iconic? It feels like every iteration this encounter loses a little of its gloss.

Not sure about other encounters but 2 are very iconic :
1996 Bangalore Quarterfinal
2003 Centurion Sachin Special.
Even 10 year olds of today have seen highlights of those..
Prasad uprooting Sohails stumps and a send off.
Sachin destroying the fast bowling factory and setting Centurion on fire...
I personally do not remember much of T20 stuff.. but that is the nature of T20.. fast and forgettable.

 

[AMSS]

Fact that press and players are already talking about it tells me that gloss or not, its very much talked about and will be until its over.

Yes, thanks for noting the very first thing I mentioned. Broadcasters who sponsor these cricketers would love to have this match as a talking point.

And increasingly it's not seen as an iconic contest by the public. The forgettable ODI WC match being a good illustration.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Tbh it's a T20 after all and its not gonna be as one-sided as the last few Indo Pak encounters.

 

[Itachi]

People who are saying that India-Pak rivalry is not as iconic as it used to be need to read this article.

Majority of Indian youngsters want to play Pakistan in WC final. https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...swaran-on-watching-the-2011-world-cup-1257265

except two, all others aren't "youngster" to be honest.

at 27, how one can call a player as "youngster"?

 

[Zeshan547]

At this point, result is forgone conclusion, and anyone else thinking otherwise as Pak fans is setting himself up for yet another heartbreak. I for one will watch few starting overs just to make sure there ain't no miracle happening or not. Our much better teams have bottled vs Indian much inferior teams in past. And it's not even about quality of sides Pak is just cursed. And we have to live with it forever i think. I think this hudoo may never end, atleast not in our life time even if Pak become current India and India current pak quality wise.

 

[Rajdeep]

KL Rahul
Rohit Sharma
Virat Kohli
Surya Kumar Yadav
Shreyas Iyer
Rishabh Pant
Hardik Pandya
Kuldeep Yadav
Ravi Ashwin
Bhuvneshwar Kumar
Jasprit Bumrah

All the best Pakistan...you need it all to beat this team

 

[Itachi]

At this point, result is forgone conclusion, and anyone else thinking otherwise as Pak fans is setting himself up for yet another heartbreak. I for one will watch few starting overs just to make sure there ain't no miracle happening or not. Our much better teams have bottled vs Indian much inferior teams in past. And it's not even about quality of sides Pak is just cursed. And we have to live with it forever i think. I think this hudoo may never end, atleast not in our life time even if Pak become current India and India current pak quality wise.

Murphys law will come in to play eventually. The streak is made to be broken.

 

[AMSS]

KL Rahul
Rohit Sharma
Virat Kohli
Surya Kumar Yadav
Shreyas Iyer
Rishabh Pant
Hardik Pandya
Kuldeep Yadav
Ravi Ashwin
Bhuvneshwar Kumar
Jasprit Bumrah

All the best Pakistan...you need it all to beat this team

That's a **, underwhelming, underachieving team. Might beat Pak but have to laugh you think it's unbeatable.

 

[Savak]

Pakistani govt should disallow the team to play citing political reasons. As it is Pakistan Cant beat India right now and you can't have dual policies where India refuses to play Pakistan in Pakistan but is okay with playing Pakistan in ICC events and tournaments.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

except two, all others aren't "youngster" to be honest.

at 27, how one can call a player as "youngster"?

Youngsters as in international cricket. Most of them other than Rahane have not played much in international cricket

 

[Itachi]

Youngsters as in international cricket. Most of them other than Rahane have not played much in international cricket

So a 30+ player debuting late will be considered "youngster"?

 

[Itachi]

That's a **, underwhelming, underachieving team. Might beat Pak but have to laugh you think it's unbeatable.

He mentioned only Pakistan.

Didn't say it was good enough for other teams.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Let's beat Pakistan. Again. hehe


It's getting boring through.

 

[PakLFC]

Pak have a good chance against India in T20'S. In 50 overs aside and Test's we'd better not even turn up to save face

 

[UzmanBeast]

Looks to be a good encounter, hopefully Pakistan can make certain that they play their best team.

Babar Azam (c)
Mohammad Rizwan (wk) (vc)
Fakhar Zaman
Shoaib Malik
Mohammad Hafeez
Sohaib Maqsood
Imad Wasim
Hasan Ali
Usman Qadir
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Haris Rauf/Wahab Riaz/Mohammad Amir

Don't worry, the only reason you see Amir and Wahab on the team is that I have a hunch one will get called up before the NZ series.

 

[Rana]

My team for this would be:

Fakhar Zaman
Sharjeel Khan
Babar Azam
Mohammad Rizwan
Mohammad Hafeez
Sohaib Maqsood
Mohammad Nawaz
Hassan Ali
Shadab Khan
Mohammad Amir/Shaheen Afridi
Harris Rauf

 

[Rana]

Just for Kohli, I would pick a proper left arm spinner and not a darter like Imad Wasim. That’s why I tend to go with Nawaz

 

[CricketingMinds]

100% sure India will destroy us like we are an associate team

 

[jattafridi]

Biggest match of the World Cup but don’t expect anything from Pakistan

One sided match

 

[Rajdeep]

That's a **, underwhelming, underachieving team. Might beat Pak but have to laugh you think it's unbeatable.

I was joking man...just hyping the game up. Ofcourse our team is beatable, its not even a question. Pakistan is a dangerous team in UAE, Afg will be good on those conditions as well and we always lose against Kiwis in ICC events. It wont be easy for team India.

 

[AMSS]

I was joking man...just hyping the game up. Ofcourse our team is beatable, its not even a question. Pakistan is a dangerous team in UAE, Afg will be good on those conditions as well and we always lose against Kiwis in ICC events. It wont be easy for team India.

Cool

 

[AMSS]

Ideal but unlikely XI for India

Shaw
KLR
Kohli
Surya
Pant
Pandya
Krunal
Axar/Sundar
Siraj
Avesh
Bumrah

Ideally Kohli wouldn't be there either. India needs a clean start like they did with MSD in 2007.

 

[MenInG]

If only Mohammad Amir had got his act together!

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

If only Mohammad Amir had got his act together!

His record in UAE is awful.

 

[Major]

Pakistan's match to lose. Pakistan sucks against quality spin and kuldeep and yuzvendra might spin it for victory for india.

Even to defeat India you need quality pace bowling opening and than good spinners coming later on.


Shadab khan will get tonkes that i can gurantee
Haris rauf and hasnain would be no different.

Batting wise, we are good. This time we have a good batting line up and very good strategy from above.

Bowling is an issue, usman qadir spins it and even he isnt that good.

I would prefer if shanawaz dahni or either of akif javed or waseem jr are tried out. These are the kind of bolwers that could trouble india.

Shanwaz dahani is a must and either of akif or waseem jr.

 

[sharmaji]

Two things:

1. I agree with you that Govt of India should be pulled up for its embarrassingly silly policy of not playing Pak unless in ICC tournaments.

2. I think you're severely underestimating Pak and overestimating Ind in T20 cricket. If anything, Pak has excellent team to start as favourites to win the world cup, along with WI; I'm not kidding. India doesn't have a settled line up both in batting and bowling and I am not betting on Ind to win the match against Pak.

Pakistani govt should disallow the team to play citing political reasons. As it is Pakistan Cant beat India right now and you can't have dual policies where India refuses to play Pakistan in Pakistan but is okay with playing Pakistan in ICC events and tournaments.

 

[sharmaji]

I agree, Dahani could be the difference. Play him, but who will he replace in the current team? Fahim? What about Mohd. Amir? Surely he has wood on Kohli and Rohit.

Indian spinners are not settled (we don't know who is going to play) and are not in good form (having IPL just before the WC might help though) so I won't be surprised if Babar and Rizwan do very well against the Indian bowling.

Pakistan's match to lose. Pakistan sucks against quality spin and kuldeep and yuzvendra might spin it for victory for india.

Even to defeat India you need quality pace bowling opening and than good spinners coming later on.


Shadab khan will get tonkes that i can gurantee
Haris rauf and hasnain would be no different.

Batting wise, we are good. This time we have a good batting line up and very good strategy from above.

Bowling is an issue, usman qadir spins it and even he isnt that good.

I would prefer if shanawaz dahni or either of akif javed or waseem jr are tried out. These are the kind of bolwers that could trouble india.

Shanwaz dahani is a must and either of akif or waseem jr.

 

[MenInG]

Mumbai: Former India batsman Suresh Raina has said the 2011 World Cup semi-final match against Pakistan is his "most memorable one". India had defeated Pakistan in the semi-finals of the 2011 World Cup under the leadership of MS Dhoni to enter the summit clash. The side then went on to defeat Sri Lanka in the summit clash.

"I think the match against Pakistan in the 2011 World Cup is the most memorable one. India had to win the semi-final as the game was crucial for both teams. Pakistan was on top of the pool, as they played a lot of matches in Sri Lanka. Definitely, I would say 2011 (was most memorable). After that, our team got stronger and we never lost against them in the World Cup. 2011 World Cup was critical because we were playing the tournament on our home soil and we had pressure to play one more game in the final," Raina said on Star Sports' show 'Cricket Connected'.

"The emotions were different but, we all managed to stay calm. When you're playing against Pakistan, you make sure you give your best. You need to give it back to your team; you need to work hard on your intention, planning, and every other thing. We worked hard, and the whole team did well," he added.

Talking about MS Dhoni, Raina said: "We've played a lot of matches for India as well as CSK. He has played almost 200 matches for India and for CSK. I think it's just the emotion and on top of that, we have that respect for each other. I have learned a lot from him, and he is like a big brother to me. We have won a lot of trophies together and have lost a lot of finals as well, but I think the belief, the respect we have for each other is immense."

"And that's what everyone loves about it (our bond). Hopefully, when we go to Dubai, we will have a camp and we can again win it for him. I think the way we were playing this year; we were having some extra confidence from his captaincy and he was enjoying each other's success. He was giving freedom to all the players and having Moeen Ali, Sam Curran, Dwayne Bravo, Ruturaj Gaikwad and Faf du Plessis on the side, we had the momentum. Hopefully, when we go to Dubai, we can do it again for MS," he added. The International Cricket Council (ICC) on Friday had announced the groups for the Men's T20 World Cup 2021 to be hosted by the BCCI in Oman and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) from October 17 to November 14. Arch-rivals India and Pakistan have been placed in Group 2 of the Super 12s.

This will see the two teams clash in the group stages of the showpiece event. The groups, selected on the basis of team rankings as of March 20, 2021, see defending champions the West Indies pooled along with former champions England, Australia and South Africa in Group 1 of the Super 12s, with two qualifiers from Round 1 joining them. Group 2 will comprise of former champions India and Pakistan, New Zealand, Afghanistan and the other two qualifiers from Round 1.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...istan-most-memorable-says-suresh-raina/787679

 

[MenInG]

Looking more like a one-sided clash given recent Pakistan performances!

 

[princeuk]

So yet again another one-sided venture as always, the hype will be more exciting than the clash itself. A 9 wicket loss or a 10 wicket loss, cant decide whats it gonna be.

 

[giri26]

T20 has been India's best format since 2018 believe it or not. Even on the dreadful NZ tour of 2020, the 5-0 win in T20 series was the only silver lining for India. They have won series in South Africa, England, New Zealand and Australia during that time. So I have high hopes for the Indian team. Even Bumrah who has been horrendous in the longer formats since his return from injury has been very good in T20I's.

I understand that this is an ICC event and on their day any team can beat anyone but I feel that India will do quite well.

 

[bala977]

I’d rather we lose this one and get this silly “unbeaten in World Cup” record of our backs! Also, better to lose in a group game than in a final - we don’t want a repeat of CT17, do we?

 

[ex-q-zit]

Pak have a good chance against India in T20'S. In 50 overs aside and Test's we'd better not even turn up to save face

Cant understand what the basis is for this statement. India have been pretty good in t20s beating full strength ENG, NZ and AUS in their home turf. Plus the emergence of SKY, Ishan in addition to Pant and Hardik gives India a dangerous middle order that can destroy any attack. On the other hand Pak have been struggling even losing matches to SA B and ZIM. half of their players have not yet cemented their place in the side. Even if we go by past history India have 6 victories against the solitary win that pak has in t20s. So historically too Pak have never been dominant over India since the 1st encounter in 2007.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Two things:

1. I agree with you that Govt of India should be pulled up for its embarrassingly silly policy of not playing Pak unless in ICC tournaments.

2. I think you're severely underestimating Pak and overestimating Ind in T20 cricket. If anything, Pak has excellent team to start as favourites to win the world cup, along with WI; I'm not kidding. India doesn't have a settled line up both in batting and bowling and I am not betting on Ind to win the match against Pak.

Wow its so difficult to take this post seriously. India doesn' have a settled batting and bowling line-up?

Batting:

Rohit
Virat
SKY
KL/ishan (if KL plays he will open if not kohli will open and ishan at 4)
Pant
hardik
Jadeja

Not sure whats so unsettled here?

Bowling

Bhuvi
Deepak Chahar/Kuldeep
Chahal
Bumrah

Bowling too is pretty settled except for 1 spot

On the other hand in the Pak line-up except for the opening pair none of the others can gaurantee their spot

maqsood (string of failures)
Azam Khan (not sure of a spot)
fakhar (hasn't been able to finish of the innings)
hafeez (malik may replace him any time

the less said the better of the bowling. Only Hassan and to an extent Shaheen can find a spot. You shudn't be betting at all unless you have money to lose.

 

[cric_4life]

Pakistan never plays the first few games good. So I guess another thrashing on the way for Pakistan.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Shoaib Akhtar makes bold claim, says 'India will lose to Pakistan' in T20 World Cup final

Shoaib Akhtar made a bold claim regarding the finalists for T20 World Cup in UAE. The Rawalpindi Express feels it will be a repeat of the inaugural edition's final, where India will lose to Pakistan.

The T20 World Cup remains the biggest and most-awaited cricketing event this year. Set to be held soon after IPL 14's conclusion in the UAE, the tournament will see 12 teams divided into groups of two in the main draw, after the qualifiers, which will be followed by the semi-finals and the marquee final.

Ahead of the showpiece event in the UAE, many experts and former cricketers have already started sharing their predictions as to who will walk away with the title in the seventh edition of the T20 WC. Rawalpindi Express Shoaib Akhtar, who doesn't mince his words and remains a vocal critic of Pakistan cricket, feels the final will be a repeat of the inaugural edition, where Virat Kohli-led India will face-off Babar Azam's Pakistan. However, Akhtar made heads turn by claiming that the Men in Green will storm past India in the summit clash.

"I have a feeling Pakistan and India will play in the T20 World Cup final and India will lose to Pakistan. Conditions in UAE will favour both India and Pakistan," Shoaib Akhtar told Sports Tak on YouTube.

11-0

For the unversed, India have not lost to Pakistan in any World Cup, be it in the ODI or T20I format. Thus, Kohli & Co. have an 11-0 record versus their arch-rivals in limited-overs ICC tournaments. On the other hand, they didn't have each other in the inaugural ICC World Test Championship (WTC) and aren't going to square off with each other even in the second cycle's league stage.

The last time India and Pakistan's senior men's team faced each other was in the round-robin stage of the 2019 ODI World Cup, where the former won by 89 runs (DLS method). Their last T20 World Cup face-off resulted in India's 6-wicket win over Men in Green in Kolkata in 2016 edition. Nonetheless, Akhtar's claim can come true as India's last defeat versus Pakistan in an ICC tournament final, during the 2017 Champions Trophy summit clash defeat by 180 runs.

Talking about both sides, they are placed in Group B along with Afghanistan, New Zealand and two other teams set to join from the qualifying round. Group A, so far, has England, West Indies, Australia and South Africa, while two more teams will join them from the qualifying round.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...ose-to-pakistan-in-t20-world-cup-final/789022

 

[OMB]

So what's the big deal about this prediction? On a given day any team can beat anybody and all it takes is one players super performance. WI and Pak do have such players.
Such predictions are more suited for Test series

 

[Savak]

History will continue as it. Don't expect Pakistan to win. In fact expecting a brutal defeat. Best to get this game out of the way asap so that the team can relax and play the rest of the games in a stress free manner.

 

[sharmaji]

You shudn't be betting at all unless you have money to lose.

Good one

On a different note, I still think Indian batting is not well-settled. Kohli is not a natural opener, Kohli and Rohit will slow the RR in PP. Only SKY's position is set in the middle order. Shreyas Iyer could play to negate spinners, but his injury situation is not clear. We don't know which wicket-keeper will play among Ishan, KL, Pant either. None of their positions are set. I guess IPL will confirm who will play in the middle order. Hardik in the lower order is not in great form, which is a concern.

Bowling, Chahal is doing ok now, but we'll have to see how his form is before the WC, as he has a tendency to get hit (as he was dropped in Australia) a lot. Jadeja is economical but not a wicket taker so we might want to have another spinner handy just in case, like Rahul Chahar or Varun Chakravarthy.

I am not dismissing India, whichever XI they will put on the park, I am sure they will play well. I am just wary of our dumb and dumber Captain and Coach and their strategies. Pak definitely has the game to win the match against us.

 

[offstump]

Have the fixtures been released for the World Cup? Anyone know what day this match will take place?

 

[MesonK]

People predicting results are fools.

Nobody knows what type of Pakistani team shows up on that day. Not even Pakistani team knows that.

 

[Mesozoic]

People predicting results are fools.

Nobody knows what type of Pakistani team shows up on that day. Not even Pakistani team knows that.

Don't think it's foolish to predict the most probable outcome when you consider the fact that Pakistan didn't "show up" in 8 of the last 10 games between the two sides and "showed up" for just 1 T20i against India in 14 years.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Pains me to say this, but this Indian team will maul the living daylights out of us. Was quite relieved when India wasn’t in the draw in the previous schedule. Will be fun regardless, the pre-match hype is the only thing to look forward to.

 

[Slim]

Pakistani bats cant play spin to save their lives. It has been a problem since the past one decade and has became bigger since the past two years.

Provided Kohli doesnt mess up the team selection, its going to be very hard for Pakistan to win this.

 

[Varun]

Agree with Shoaib.

Have a feeling Pakistan will pull a fast one over us in their familiar terrain of the UAE.

 

[sweep_shot]

Good opportunity for Pakistan to get a win considering venue is UAE.

Also, Pakistan have a much better team this time.

 

[AMSS]

Agree with Shoaib.

Have a feeling Pakistan will pull a fast one over us in their familiar terrain of the UAE.

It doesn't mean what you think it does.

 

[Varun]

It doesn't mean what you think it does.

Pakistan will beat India and end the streak in the WT20 2021.

There, I've said it.

 

[AMSS]

Pakistan will beat India and end the streak in the WT20 2021.

There, I've said it.

Unreal. Must be the first Indian forummer to have said it - breathing into a paper bag yet?

 

[ex-q-zit]

Good one

On a different note, I still think Indian batting is not well-settled. Kohli is not a natural opener, Kohli and Rohit will slow the RR in PP. Only SKY's position is set in the middle order. Shreyas Iyer could play to negate spinners, but his injury situation is not clear. We don't know which wicket-keeper will play among Ishan, KL, Pant either. None of their positions are set. I guess IPL will confirm who will play in the middle order. Hardik in the lower order is not in great form, which is a concern.

Bowling, Chahal is doing ok now, but we'll have to see how his form is before the WC, as he has a tendency to get hit (as he was dropped in Australia) a lot. Jadeja is economical but not a wicket taker so we might want to have another spinner handy just in case, like Rahul Chahar or Varun Chakravarthy.

I am not dismissing India, whichever XI they will put on the park, I am sure they will play well. I am just wary of our dumb and dumber Captain and Coach and their strategies. Pak definitely has the game to win the match against us.

You took so much pain in explaining how India has an unsettled batting line-up though unsuccessfully. cant understand how you believe we dont know who will be India's WK. Pant is now india's all format WK which is without any questions. Yes Kohli is not a natural opner but so are Rohit, Babar and Rizwan.

You say Pak is stronger but dont mention a single point. If hardik is out of form then what about Hafeez, Fakhar and maqsood? have they been scoring truckloads of runs? What about the S/R of Rizwan and Babar. Both Rohit and Kohli can switch gears and finish the innnings but can Rizwan and Babar do that? who is Pakistan's no. 6? Azam khan or shadab Khan or maqsood or Imad?

Once again you took utmost care in dissecting the Indian bowling attack but not a word on Shadab, Imad, haris Rauf and hasnain. Do you really believe they can rattle the Indian batmen. Even Shaheen looks tired and ineffective.

On what basis do you give pakistan the upper hand is beyond me.

 

[hitthestump]

So what's the big deal about this prediction? On a given day any team can beat anybody and all it takes is one players super performance. WI and Pak do have such players.
Such predictions are more suited for Test series

Don't think we do. Everyone is mediocre to the core.

Rizwan and Babar are slightly above mediocre but neither is going to singlehandedly win the match for Pak in t20 because they require everyone else to bat around them.

As such i think we can pretty comfortably say that anything other than an Indian win is an abberation.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

KL Rahul
Rohit Sharma
Virat Kohli
Surya Kumar Yadav
Shreyas Iyer
Rishabh Pant
Hardik Pandya
Kuldeep Yadav
Ravi Ashwin
Bhuvneshwar Kumar
Jasprit Bumrah

All the best Pakistan...you need it all to beat this team

Rohit, SKY and to some extent Pandya(if plays against spin only) are the only ones who will be dangerous against Pakistan rest of them love to choke in crucial matches.

 

[sharmaji]

I think India doesn't know it's first choice XI. Players either don't know if they are in the XI or if they do, they don't know at what position they will be playing. There are too many options at each position. For example, let's look at the Indian line up:

1,2. Prithvi Shaw/Dhawan/Rohit/Kohli/Padikkal/KL Rahul
3,4,5. Kohli/KL Rahul/Ishan Kishan/SKY/Shreyas Iyer
6,7. Hardik/Pant
8,9. Spinners: Krunal/Jadeja/Chahal/Kuldeep/Ashwin/Varun Chakravarthy
10,11. Pacers: Bumrah/Shami/Bhuvneshwar/Deepak Chahar/Siraj/Sakariya

Even though Pakistan just lost a series in England, they gave a good fight to the no.1 team in the world in their own backyard, and the T20 world cup is going to be in UAE, where Pak has toiled for more than a decade now, Misbah and co know the pitch, the ground and the conditions like the back of their hand. They would be strong competitors and (in my opinion) favourites for the T20 world cup.

Coming to the Pak line up, I think it is more or less, settled.

1,2. Babar/Rizwan
3,4,5. Fakhar/Maqsood/Hafeez/Asif Ali/Iftikhar
6,7,8. Spinners: Imad/Shadab/Nawaz/Usman Qadir
9,10,11. Pacers: Hasan Ali/Shaheen/Haris Rauf/Hasnain

I have not considered Shoaib Malik, Mohd Amir for this XI. That can change later.

This team if performs to their abilities, can defeat India in the world cup. And I feel that this is likely to happen unless Indian team gets its act together.

Factors I think favour Pak are:

1. UAE conditions
2. Star batters: Babar, Rizwan, Fakhar
3. Star bowlers: Shaheen, Hasan Ali
4. Momentum: series against Eng, WI and Aus will prepare Pak well
5. Motivation: Misbah and co will have a point to prove, by winning against India in a world cup, all their failures will be forgiven.

While India too has all the above factors going in for them, I think Kohli and Shastri will mess it up somehow. I hope that doesn't happen, but I get a feeling that Pak might win this time.

You took so much pain in explaining how India has an unsettled batting line-up though unsuccessfully. cant understand how you believe we dont know who will be India's WK. Pant is now india's all format WK which is without any questions. Yes Kohli is not a natural opner but so are Rohit, Babar and Rizwan.

You say Pak is stronger but dont mention a single point. If hardik is out of form then what about Hafeez, Fakhar and maqsood? have they been scoring truckloads of runs? What about the S/R of Rizwan and Babar. Both Rohit and Kohli can switch gears and finish the innnings but can Rizwan and Babar do that? who is Pakistan's no. 6? Azam khan or shadab Khan or maqsood or Imad?

Once again you took utmost care in dissecting the Indian bowling attack but not a word on Shadab, Imad, haris Rauf and hasnain. Do you really believe they can rattle the Indian batmen. Even Shaheen looks tired and ineffective.

On what basis do you give pakistan the upper hand is beyond me.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Have the fixtures been released for the World Cup? Anyone know what day this match will take place?

Quite sure it won't be on Father's day.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Have a feeling this Babar Azam led team will be the one to break the streak against India. If not in this world cup then might be in the next world cup.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pakistan will beat India and end the streak in the WT20 2021.

There, I've said it.

Yeah. Pakistan can surprise everyone.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Unreal. Must be the first Indian forummer to have said it - breathing into a paper bag yet?

You are already looking overconfident. Don't forget this is a T20 World Cup. Any team can beat anyone and we aren't the best team in this format by any means lol.

 

[TeamPak95]

Pakistan will either lose badly, or lose comprehensively.

 

[MesonK]

Don't think it's foolish to predict the most probable outcome when you consider the fact that Pakistan didn't "show up" in 8 of the last 10 games between the two sides and "showed up" for just 1 T20i against India in 14 years.

Pakistan has showed up 73/132 times against India in last 40 years ... Last time it did, whole Ganges was calling for Kohli's head.

 

[MesonK]

Pakistan will defeat itself or will defeat India.

 

[PakLFC]

Cant understand what the basis is for this statement. India have been pretty good in t20s beating full strength ENG, NZ and AUS in their home turf. Plus the emergence of SKY, Ishan in addition to Pant and Hardik gives India a dangerous middle order that can destroy any attack. On the other hand Pak have been struggling even losing matches to SA B and ZIM. half of their players have not yet cemented their place in the side. Even if we go by past history India have 6 victories against the solitary win that pak has in t20s. So historically too Pak have never been dominant over India since the 1st encounter in 2007.

It is simple enough English. Pak will struggle against India in 50 over and Test matches. Pak has a better chance of defeating India in this format then the other two. Why are you telling me about Pak record with other teams that has nothing to do with what I said.

 

[ex-q-zit]

It is simple enough English. Pak will struggle against India in 50 over and Test matches. Pak has a better chance of defeating India in this format then the other two. Why are you telling me about Pak record with other teams that has nothing to do with what I said.

OK then let me tell you Pak's record against India in this format. In the format that you believe Pak has a better chance to win against India the head to head goes 6 to 1 in favour of India.

 

[PakLFC]

OK then let me tell you Pak's record against India in this format. In the format that you believe Pak has a better chance to win against India the head to head goes 6 to 1 in favour of India.

The matches you are talking about are old ones. Today even though India has a better record I believe Pak has a better chance in this format.

 

[ex-q-zit]

I think India doesn't know it's first choice XI. Players either don't know if they are in the XI or if they do, they don't know at what position they will be playing. There are too many options at each position. For example, let's look at the Indian line up:

1,2. Prithvi Shaw/Dhawan/Rohit/Kohli/Padikkal/KL Rahul
3,4,5. Kohli/KL Rahul/Ishan Kishan/SKY/Shreyas Iyer
6,7. Hardik/Pant
8,9. Spinners: Krunal/Jadeja/Chahal/Kuldeep/Ashwin/Varun Chakravarthy
10,11. Pacers: Bumrah/Shami/Bhuvneshwar/Deepak Chahar/Siraj/Sakariya

Even though Pakistan just lost a series in England, they gave a good fight to the no.1 team in the world in their own backyard, and the T20 world cup is going to be in UAE, where Pak has toiled for more than a decade now, Misbah and co know the pitch, the ground and the conditions like the back of their hand. They would be strong competitors and (in my opinion) favourites for the T20 world cup.

Coming to the Pak line up, I think it is more or less, settled.

1,2. Babar/Rizwan
3,4,5. Fakhar/Maqsood/Hafeez/Asif Ali/Iftikhar
6,7,8. Spinners: Imad/Shadab/Nawaz/Usman Qadir
9,10,11. Pacers: Hasan Ali/Shaheen/Haris Rauf/Hasnain

I have not considered Shoaib Malik, Mohd Amir for this XI. That can change later.

This team if performs to their abilities, can defeat India in the world cup. And I feel that this is likely to happen unless Indian team gets its act together.

Factors I think favour Pak are:

1. UAE conditions
2. Star batters: Babar, Rizwan, Fakhar
3. Star bowlers: Shaheen, Hasan Ali
4. Momentum: series against Eng, WI and Aus will prepare Pak well
5. Motivation: Misbah and co will have a point to prove, by winning against India in a world cup, all their failures will be forgiven.

While India too has all the above factors going in for them, I think Kohli and Shastri will mess it up somehow. I hope that doesn't happen, but I get a feeling that Pak might win this time.

You seem to be so confused. You seem to be making your own team. There are currently only 3 front runners for the opening slot KL, Rohit and Virat. dhawan stands in a 4th opener in case of inury. Not sure how you got Prithvi and DDP unless you were a fly on the wall in selection committee meetings. Especially DDP who is yet to make a India debut.

Again your middle order is all wrong. India play 5 batsmen (including keeper), 2 allrounders (hardik and jaddu) and 4 bowlers. Not sure how pant or hardik will bat at 7. Also Krunal is a like-for-like replacement of jaddu and both will not feature in the same team. Not sure how Ashwin's name features above as he has not in been India's LOI scheme for past 4 years.

Now lets see your analysis of Pak's settled team.

You mention Asif Ali and Ifthikar. Why were they not in ENG series and also not there in WI tour if they are going to be part of the squad?

Can you tell at what position Fakhar will bat? What is the preformance of fakhar, hafeez and maqsood in the middle order?

When was the last time Shadab won Pak the match with bat or ball? Are you sure haris Rauf will feature in the world cup after his recent performances hasnain was not even used in the last match.

You say UAE conditions favour pak. If I remember correctly Pak failed to qualify for final in the 2018 Asia cup. Even in the 2016 Asia cup played in Bangladesh (conditions similar to Pak) they failed to qualify for finals. So how can conditions be a plus point for them?

Even debating about the star batters and bowlers is a joke so lets leave that.

Even before 2019 WC pak had series with AUS and ENG in ENG. These series have little bearing on the momentum.

You say Pak fought well against England but fail to mention India defeated ENG in t20s both at home and away.

If Pak loses against WI Misbah may not even be the coach during the WC.

Sharma ji thoda toh sharam karo.

 

[mystical man]

Shoaib Akhtar makes bold claim, says 'India will lose to Pakistan' in T20 World Cup final

Shoaib Akhtar made a bold claim regarding the finalists for T20 World Cup in UAE. The Rawalpindi Express feels it will be a repeat of the inaugural edition's final, where India will lose to Pakistan.

The T20 World Cup remains the biggest and most-awaited cricketing event this year. Set to be held soon after IPL 14's conclusion in the UAE, the tournament will see 12 teams divided into groups of two in the main draw, after the qualifiers, which will be followed by the semi-finals and the marquee final.

Ahead of the showpiece event in the UAE, many experts and former cricketers have already started sharing their predictions as to who will walk away with the title in the seventh edition of the T20 WC. Rawalpindi Express Shoaib Akhtar, who doesn't mince his words and remains a vocal critic of Pakistan cricket, feels the final will be a repeat of the inaugural edition, where Virat Kohli-led India will face-off Babar Azam's Pakistan. However, Akhtar made heads turn by claiming that the Men in Green will storm past India in the summit clash.

"I have a feeling Pakistan and India will play in the T20 World Cup final and India will lose to Pakistan. Conditions in UAE will favour both India and Pakistan," Shoaib Akhtar told Sports Tak on YouTube.

11-0

For the unversed, India have not lost to Pakistan in any World Cup, be it in the ODI or T20I format. Thus, Kohli & Co. have an 11-0 record versus their arch-rivals in limited-overs ICC tournaments. On the other hand, they didn't have each other in the inaugural ICC World Test Championship (WTC) and aren't going to square off with each other even in the second cycle's league stage.

The last time India and Pakistan's senior men's team faced each other was in the round-robin stage of the 2019 ODI World Cup, where the former won by 89 runs (DLS method). Their last T20 World Cup face-off resulted in India's 6-wicket win over Men in Green in Kolkata in 2016 edition. Nonetheless, Akhtar's claim can come true as India's last defeat versus Pakistan in an ICC tournament final, during the 2017 Champions Trophy summit clash defeat by 180 runs.

Talking about both sides, they are placed in Group B along with Afghanistan, New Zealand and two other teams set to join from the qualifying round. Group A, so far, has England, West Indies, Australia and South Africa, while two more teams will join them from the qualifying round.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...ose-to-pakistan-in-t20-world-cup-final/789022

I agree it will be a phainty for over hyped team india with out of form players like kohli, rohit and even rahul.Our spinners are useless as well ...

 

[SwitchHit]

Why are Indian players being even compared to Pakistani counter parts?
It is disrespectful to them, We should be comparing ourselves to Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, India is a cricketing Power House, We aren't one (and have never been one).
Lol on India being unsettled, these things only matter when the rival is at your level, we simply aren't at that level.
Easy 7-8 wickets / 30-50 runs win for Inida.

 

[Manzy2599]

Why are Indian players being even compared to Pakistani counter parts?
It is disrespectful to them, We should be comparing ourselves to Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, India is a cricketing Power House, We aren't one (and have never been one).
Lol on India being unsettled, these things only matter when the rival is at your level, we simply aren't at that level.
Easy 7-8 wickets / 30-50 runs win for Inida.

Agree with most of this but it’s unfair to say Pakistan were never a cricketing power house. Won the 1992 WC against the odds but politics/fixing and the players egos cost them the 1996 and 1999 WC cause they should’ve easily won atleast 1 of them. The LOI team was good till the mid 2000s but then began to decline. Even in the 2011 WC they were favourites and had they not dropped sachin 5 times I’m sure they would’ve won the WC. Then in T20s they were the most consistent side from 2007-2012. Made every single semi final. Should’ve won in 2007 had that Misbah brain fade not happened, kinda made up for it in 2009 but they should’ve atleast won 1 more t20 WC either 2010/2012 where they choked in both semi finals. The hussey innings vs ajmal and the batting collapse chasing a lowish score vs Sri Lanka. Michael holding was recently asked who the West Indies team feared the most and he said it was the Pakistan side in 70/80/90s and this was vs a peak West Indies team so you can only imagine what the team was like then. Pakistan have always been a good bowling side till recently and the batting usually turns up during big games in ICC events as we saw in the 2019 WC where they only missed out due to run rate and a dodgy chase by india vs england so they are definitely in my top 4 for the World Cup in UAE.

 

[Mesozoic]

Pakistan has showed up 73/132 times against India in last 40 years ... Last time it did, whole Ganges was calling for Kohli's head.

Bizarre logic lol ! Looks like I hit a nerve!

Pakistan was a better team than India for the most part of those 132 games so no wonder they "showed up" most of the times. But in the past decade they got whipped 15 out of the 20 times. Of course they can fluke a win or two here and there like SL or Bangladesh do, but they'll get whooped at least 8 of the 10 times...

 

[MenInG]

Arch-rivals India and Pakistan will meet in the T20 World Cup on October 24 in the UAE. The date for the marquee clash at the T20 spectacle has been decided with the full schedule set to get the International Cricket Council's nod by August 2nd week. The T20 World Cup will be held in Oman and the UAE from October 17 to November 14.

India and Pakistan are no longer playing bilateral cricket and the excitement around their clashes in ICC tournaments hits the roof. India and Pakistan were drawn together in Group 2. The group will comprise the two former champions along with New Zealand, Afghanistan and the other two qualifiers from Round 1. 8 teams will contest the first round including automatic qualifiers Sri Lanka and Bangladesh with the remaining six who booked their spot through the ICC Men’s T20 World Cup Qualifier 2019.

India last met Pakistan at the international stage in the 2019 World Cup where Virat Kohli's men clinched a comfortable victory. It came 2 years after Sarfaraz Ahmed-led Pakistan had stunned India in the final of the 2017 Champions Trophy. Notably, India and Pakistan were grouped together in the last T20 World Cup, which was held 5 years ago.

The hosting rights for the T20 World Cup are with the BCCI but the tournament will be held in Oman and the UAE due to Covid-19 pandemic. Notably, the IPL in 2021 was suspended in May after positive Covid-19 cases were reported in bio-bubbles in Ahmedabad and New Delhi. The remainder of the tournament will be played in the UAE in September-October ahead of the T20 World Cup.

India do not have any international T20I series lined up before the T20 World Cup. Virat Kohli's men will kickstart their 5-match Test series against England on Wednesday. Following the completion of the Test series on September 14, the players will head to the UAE for IPL 2021.

Notably, England players will also join India to head to the IPL. England were scheduled to play 3 ODIs and as many T20Is in Bangladesh during the IPL but the series have been postponed to 2023.

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cr...r-october-24-full-schedule-1836610-2021-08-04

 

[TheSultan]

This is no longer iconic - Pakistan reserve their absolute filth performance vs India I every tournament. Mentally shot and weak, they don’t even try

 

[Bewal Express]

PK should tell the ICC to stop fixing draws.

 

[Cricketrenew]

Its like the Ashes....becoming mundane.... who cares its a game..... meaningless... now
Pak will lose as they always do.....

The one who wins the final will count for something, everything else will be forgotton.

 

[Cricketrenew]

PK should tell the ICC to stop fixing draws.

Didnt the ICC admit they always put this fixture in to get max viewers.... its not by chance I dont think...

 

[Bewal Express]

Didnt the ICC admit they always put this fixture in to get max viewers.... its not by chance I dont think...

But what do we get out of it?

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Not good news for Pakistan. The first game of the Super 12 stage will be India V Pakistan, and we all know how badly we start in tournaments. I would’ve preferred Pakistan playing India after 2-3 games in the Tournament.

 

[bala977]

Probably repeating it, but I would rather India lose this one and end this nonsense about unbeaten World Cup win record. Sooner or later, Pakistan is going to win and wish it were this game instead of a semi final or a final