"The IPL is a massive competition. It's almost like a second T20 World Cup" : Heinrich Klaasen

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"The IPL is a massive competition. It's almost like a second T20 World Cup" : Heinrich Klaasen

Proteas stand-in T20 captain Heinrich Klaasen said the Indian Premier League would be like a second T20 World Cup for the guys taking part. Klaasen has taken part in previous IPL tournaments, but won't be part of the festivities this year. Klaasen is standing in for Temba Bavuma, who injured his hamstring in the third ODI against Pakistan on Wednesday.

Proteas stand-in T20 captain Heinrich Klaasen said the Indian Premier League (IPL) is like a second T20 World Cup for those taking part. The Proteas relinquished five important players to the IPL that started on Friday in Chennai with the game between the Royal Challengers Bangalore and the defending champions, the Mumbai Indians.

South Africa will be hosting Pakistan at the Wanderers on Saturday in the first of four T20's in what will effectively be a continuation of the short format engagement the sides were locked in earlier this year in Pakistan.

The absence of the big-name players was keenly felt in the third ODI defeat at SuperSport Park on Wednesday, but Klaasen is all about the opportunities presented by the absentees.

"The IPL is a massive competition. It's almost like a second [T20] World Cup for the guys who are playing there. We've got our processes that we need to follow to play the brand of cricket that we want to play," Klaasen said.

"This is also a great time to look at other players who may not necessarily be in the first XI, but have a chance as backup players.

"It's an unbelievable opportunity for us to use them well, while the other guys are playing in the conditions that will be encountered in the World Cup. There's a good opportunity for the youngsters and new faces to prove to the selectors what they have."

There is also the absence of marquee players like captain Temba Bavuma and Rassie van der Dussen through injury while Reeza Hendricks is on paternity leave. There's also Dwaine Pretorius' injury-enforced absence that's left the Proteas relatively thin on experience. Klaasen, though, isn't too concerned by the losses and his own form struggles after a bout of Covid-19 that laid him low last year.

"We don't have the big players here, but we're a very strong side and we have a lot of guys who are good in this format. I'm still hitting the ball very well, but it's small decisions that get me into trouble when I'm batting," Klaasen said.

"My confidence is still nice and high. It's just a matter of time before things come together again."

Play on Saturday starts at 14:30.

https://www.news24.com/sport/cricke...r-league-its-like-a-second-world-cup-20210409

 

[Ab Fan]

Heinrich Klaasen can be seen in IPL next season.

 

[Artaxerxes]

He is hoping to get an IPL contract.Playing for one’s country is the highest honour for any player so his comparison is wrong.IPL offers an opportunity to make lots of money so players should grab the chance while they are fit and in good form.

 

[Major]

and the usual haters of ipl will come in and say Klasseen wants an IPL contract.

Look the tournament is what it is. Its quality cricket where the worlds best meets the best. Plus, as we all saw in the England series, India has alot of batting talent

 

[Slim]

Klassen should learn to bat first before running his mouth with his rubbish opinions.

 

[Major]

Klassen should learn to bat first before running his mouth with his rubbish opinions.

you do know that his opinion as a cricketer is worth money, while urs or mine is worth nothing

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

you do know that his opinion as a cricketer is worth money, while urs or mine is worth nothing

Hahahaha

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Klaasen clearly missing that lucrative Rajastan Royals contract.

 

[Napa]

Shouldn't be surprising to hear him say that, it is the truth. The best players in the world (except from Pakistan) are all there, and you can see the intensity with which they play (the way the fielders run to stop boundaries etc.). It is cricket of the highest quality.

 

[Devadwal]

This is the truth we all know about it expect some fans

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Shouldn't be surprising to hear him say that, it is the truth. The best players in the world (except from Pakistan) are all there, and you can see the intensity with which they play (the way the fielders run to stop boundaries etc.). It is cricket of the highest quality.

Lol at least give a decent example. Even fielders in a mohalla match run to stop boundaries. Doesn't mean it is cricket of highest quality. Once again give a better example so people can take it seriously lol.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

and the usual haters of ipl will come in and say Klasseen wants an IPL contract.

Look the tournament is what it is. Its quality cricket where the worlds best meets the best. Plus, as we all saw in the England series, India has alot of batting talent

India had batting talent long before IPL came into existence. It is because of that talent we won 2007 T20 WC, 2011 WC ans ICC CT. Quality of our batting against spin has declined ever since this IPL started. I am sure you also noticed that in the series against England?

 

[topspin]

India had batting talent long before IPL came into existence. It is because of that talent we won 2007 T20 WC, 2011 WC ans ICC CT. Quality of our batting against spin has declined ever since this IPL started. I am sure you also noticed that in the series against England?

India teams of the past used to eat more poppadums like Ramesh Power and etc.

The current India team is elite in comparison.

 

[hitthestump]

In IPL nobody cares or remember whether Delhi or Mumbai or whoever else comes out on top. As long as the individual feels like he's put in a good performance he can hope for more BCCI bux the following year. The only pressure anyone really faces is to do with holiday homes.

A WC where you are literally writing the history books for your country is a totally different experience and borderline incomparable.

 

[Mamoon]

IPL, along with WT20, is the highest form T20 cricket in the world. It is an incredible spectacle.

Bumrah bowling to Kohli & de Villiers – only IPL has the power to provide this experience to cricket viewers.

Teams like Mumbai Indians and Chennai Super Kings are now a bigger deal than small international teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, West Indies, Afghanistan etc.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

IPL, along with WT20, is the highest form T20 cricket in the world. It is an incredible spectacle.

Bumrah bowling to Kohli & de Villiers – only IPL has the power to provide this experience to cricket viewers.

Teams like Mumbai Indians and Chennai Super Kings are now a bigger deal than small international teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, West Indies, Afghanistan etc.

You are right here. Only IPL can provide this experience. I mean in International Cricket you do not see Bumrah playing back to back matches these days but once IPL starts he suddenly gets fit and doesn't need a break or rest.

Before anyone jumps on me I know he got married recently and took a break because of that.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

In IPL nobody cares or remember whether Delhi or Mumbai or whoever else comes out on top. As long as the individual feels like he's put in a good performance he can hope for more BCCI bux the following year. The only pressure anyone really faces is to do with holiday homes.

A WC where you are literally writing the history books for your country is a totally different experience and borderline incomparable.

Exactly. Not only players you can actually feel the pressure on some fans when the WC match is going on. They take those matches seriously and are lot more involved. On the other hand IPL matches look like most of Karan Johar movies. No matter what the story is the end will always be happy and fans of either teams will go back home happily because there is no such thing as loyalty in them. All this drama of creating rivalries between state teams and passionate following looks fake. On top of that they want to compare themselves with fans of football clubs like Liverpool or Man Utd.

 

[Ab Fan]

IPL, along with WT20, is the highest form T20 cricket in the world. It is an incredible spectacle.

Bumrah bowling to Kohli & de Villiers – only IPL has the power to provide this experience to cricket viewers.

Teams like Mumbai Indians and Chennai Super Kings are now a bigger deal than small international teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, West Indies, Afghanistan etc.

Undoubtedly. The battle of Bumrah vs de Villiers especially in IPL over last few years has been right up there with some of the greatest battles of batsman- bowler in any form of cricket.

Bumrah seems to run through literally everyone out there in death overs while de Villiers still manages to do what he does the best in the slog overs.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Undoubtedly. The battle of Bumrah vs de Villiers especially in IPL over last few years has been right up there with some of the greatest battles of batsman- bowler in any form of cricket.

Bumrah seems to run through literally everyone out there in death overs while de Villiers still manages to do what he does the best in the slog overs.

Wonderful battle. Another similarity is that both of them likes to run away from International Cricket and choke in KO matches of ICC tournaments. Looks like they are Bunty and Bubbly of IPL.

 

[Ab Fan]

Wonderful battle. Another similarity is that both of them likes to run away from International Cricket and choke in KO matches of ICC tournaments. Looks like they are Bunty and Bubbly of IPL.

Both have won their team a test series win in Australia twice and are legends of the game. Bumrah will become legend sooner if he isn't now.

Not interested in these 20-20 tamasha that you feel is bigger than proper test cricket in alien conditions like Australia where your team hasn't won a single match since Miandad retired from all formats.

 

[Ab Fan]

Both have won their team a test series win in Australia twice and are legends of the game. Bumrah will become legend sooner if he isn't now.

Not interested in these 20-20 tamasha that you feel is bigger than proper test cricket in alien conditions like Australia where your team hasn't won a single match since Miandad retired from all formats.

20-20 T20 or Champions Trophy tournament tamasha because their record in World Cup is brilliant.

 

[Saj]

Klassen's application for next season's IPL

 

[Bewal Express]

I hope he gets a nice juicy contract next year, otherwise the begging at this level is slightly undignified for no reward

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Both have won their team a test series win in Australia twice and are legends of the game. Bumrah will become legend sooner if he isn't now.

Not interested in these 20-20 tamasha that you feel is bigger than proper test cricket in alien conditions like Australia where your team hasn't won a single match since Miandad retired from all formats.

Same old B$ of indirectly making Pakistan my team just because you can't counter my argument lol. It's getting boring. Don't derail the thread by bringing in tests here because you clearly weren't discussing that in your previous post.

 

[Ab Fan]

Same old B$ of indirectly making Pakistan my team just because you can't counter my argument lol. It's getting boring. Don't derail the thread by bringing in tests here because you clearly weren't discussing that in your previous post.

And what has my discussion to do with their performance in ICC tournaments.It was a discussion of a batsman-bowler rivalry and nothing to suggest with ICC tournament which you brought in. I think you should first learn not to derail the thread before saying the same to others.

 

[dildilpak]

And what has my discussion to do with their performance in ICC tournaments.It was a discussion of a batsman-bowler rivalry and nothing to suggest with ICC tournament which you brought in. I think you should first learn not to derail the thread before saying the same to others.

Burn well played!

 

[Canistani Hero]

Agreed, Mr. Klassen. But you are unlikely to get a spot..

1 (21) in the first game...

 

[HussainZ]

Klassen should learn to bat first before running his mouth with his rubbish opinions.

If he had learnt to bat, he wouldn't have resorted to beg for an IPL contract

 

[Barragan]

Ipl has a lot of superstars and may well be the best amongst the other leagues, however it is nowhere close to top level intl. cricket.

I have zero interest in watching patidar or shahbaz ahmed bat or the 3rd or 4th
and 5th bowlers of the franchises.

 

[IMMY69]

And what has my discussion to do with their performance in ICC tournaments.It was a discussion of a batsman-bowler rivalry and nothing to suggest with ICC tournament which you brought in. I think you should first learn not to derail the thread before saying the same to others.

There is no rivalry

Get over it buddy the real competition is test cricket not bowlers getting hit for a six two for three times an over during their four over spells.

 

[Uzi]

There is no rivalry

Get over it buddy the real competition is test cricket not bowlers getting hit for a six two for three times an over during their four over spells.

And that too with <60M boundaries no doubt.

 

[Mamoon]

There is no rivalry

Get over it buddy the real competition is test cricket not bowlers getting hit for a six two for three times an over during their four over spells.

Which is shame because when it comes to the real competition, India is 1st while we are 5th and 30 points apart.

Looks we can neither play real cricket or fake cricket.

 

[Mamoon]

IPL is superior than bilateral T20Is between non-big 3 teams and on par with the WT20.

 

[BreadPakoda]

I agree that test cricket is the real competition. T20 is for fun and entertainment. That makes Klassen's comments reasonable - IPL is a top class T20 competition, arguably second after the T20I WC which isn't some cricketing pinnacle either.

 

[Rana]

Klaasen wouldn’t average 15 in the PSL

 

[IMMY69]

Which is shame because when it comes to the real competition, India is 1st while we are 5th and 30 points apart.

Looks we can neither play real cricket or fake cricket.

What India being first got to do with anything?
Your paranoia is out of control.

This is not a Pakistan vs India website, it's a cricket site and not everything is about India or how they're better than Pakistan.

 

[Ab Fan]

There is no rivalry

Get over it buddy the real competition is test cricket not bowlers getting hit for a six two for three times an over during their four over spells.

Yeah that is why I value players who have won their team multiple test series wins in Australia over the T20 specialists.

Ofcourse, the guys who are good in both the things should be rated even higher.

 

[IMMY69]

I agree that test cricket is the real competition. T20 is for fun and entertainment. That makes Klassen's comments reasonable - IPL is a top class T20 competition, arguably second after the T20I WC which isn't some cricketing pinnacle either.

You were doing well when you said IPL is a top class T20 competition which it is due to the money generated from it and they wages paid to players. However, better then a bi lateral series?
Come on man, how can supporting the Delhi Daredevils or Mumbai Kings compare with say India playing the Aussies? For that matter even when India plays a minnow team???

 

[IMMY69]

Yeah that is why I value players who have won their team multiple test series wins in Australia over the T20 specialists.

Ofcourse, the guys who are good in both the things should be rated even higher.

Maybe I'm just being to cynical but when I see from players, coaches to commentators speaking about a T20 league, doesn't have to be just IPL, I think my god what these guys will do and say for money.

I watched a bit of today's game and honestly watching AB bat made me almost feel sick.
Here's a guy who is so talented and he gave up playing for his country maybe three or four years prematurely... so we missed out watching him at the World Cup and then again all the various bi lateral series..

Than I see Bumrah running in and thought don't burn yourself out mate.

To watch them make such sacrifices for the money to play in a format that we would have out colts play in club cricket in the 80's just seems wrong.

I think you know where I'm going with this.

 

[Hasan123]

The fact top players (not talking about Klassen) keep telling us how important and how good the IPL means there is something in it. People will say " they are doing it for money", I have yet to see a player signed after a franchise heard them say positive things about the IPL. The IPL franchises hire scouts and data people to find players and keep an eye on which players fit for certain roles . So I seriously doubt x player saying something good about the IPL means anything. You just come across as hateful and unintelligent if you think saying positive things about the IPL will get you signed up.

 

[HussainZ]

Klassen's application for next season's IPL

The fact top players (not talking about Klassen) keep telling us how important and how good the IPL means there is something in it. People will say " they are doing it for money", I have yet to see a player signed after a franchise heard them say positive things about the IPL. The IPL franchises hire scouts and data people to find players and keep an eye on which players fit for certain roles . So I seriously doubt x player saying something good about the IPL means anything. You just come across as hateful and unintelligent if you think saying positive things about the IPL will get you signed up.

I don't think you can paint everyone getting this impression with the same brush

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Seems like he feels left out. Wonder if his heart will be in the t20i tomorrow or not especially when he is going to captain the side. I guess there aren't many South African cricketers currently who treat international cricket as the pinnacle especially since the "transformation targets" were officially put in place.

Rilee Roussouw, Kyle Abbott and Simon Harmer have no desire to play international cricket again. Olivier wants to play for England. QDK as a captain was a comical sight with no interest in playing.

The passionate guys like Graeme Smith, Boucher, Kallis and Faf aren't seen today in SA cricket. Maybe Elgar, Markram and Bavuma might be the exceptions.

 

[Hasan123]

I don't think you can paint everyone getting this impression with the same brush

There is 0 proof that franchise owners even pay attention to these interviews. As I said they have scouts and data people to ensure the right players are recruited. Also when a player is asked about any league, what are you expecting them to say? They hate the league and are playing for money only. They have to be respectful and find positive things to say.

But it's kinda interesting how players like Stokes,Buttler,Morgan,etc tell us how important the IPL is. But people think it's about money. I'm sure world class players know more about their development than people like me and other posters.

 

[Hasan123]

When players like Phil Salt and Saqib Mahmood tell us the PSL helps them or is a top league, they are doing it for love and it's the truth. But when Jos Buttler says the IPL helped him, he is doing it to get more money . [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] make it make sense ?

I think when an elite player is telling you something helped with his development, that should be taken more seriously than Phil Salt (who can't even get in the England squad) says.

 

[BreadPakoda]

You were doing well when you said IPL is a top class T20 competition which it is due to the money generated from it and they wages paid to players. However, better then a bi lateral series?
Come on man, how can supporting the Delhi Daredevils or Mumbai Kings compare with say India playing the Aussies? For that matter even when India plays a minnow team???

The random T20Is just don't have any context. Also, India barely plays T20Is against minnows and even if they do they don't field their best players. Watching an entirely second fiddle team against a minnow wouldn't interest me. With IPL you have at least 8-9 high quality players playing between the two teams.

 

[Mamoon]

When players like Phil Salt and Saqib Mahmood tell us the PSL helps them or is a top league, they are doing it for love and it's the truth. But when Jos Buttler says the IPL helped him, he is doing it to get more money . [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] make it make sense ?

I think when an elite player is telling you something helped with his development, that should be taken more seriously than Phil Salt (who can't even get in the England squad) says.

It is a coping mechanism.

The fact is that IPL has become a giant without any contribution from Pakistani players. PCB pulled off a stunt in 2009, it backfired and closed the doors on Pakistani players for good.

The jealously and resentment is natural, but it is time for our fans to move on. No one cares or worries about the presence of Pakistani players in IPL.

Pakistan has been a mediocre team in the IPL era and the exclusion of Pakistani players have not hurt the tournament at all.

Our fans cannot digest the success of IPL and the fact that it has happened without Pakistani players is a real low-blow.

With these sour grapes, they only make themselves look weak and insecure. It doesn’t impact IPL in any shape or form.

 

[Hasan123]

It is a coping mechanism.

The fact is that IPL has become a giant without any contribution from Pakistani players. PCB pulled off a stunt in 2009, it backfired and closed the doors on Pakistani players for good.

The jealously and resentment is natural, but it is time for our fans to move on. No one cares or worries about the presence of Pakistani players in IPL.

Pakistan has been a mediocre team in the IPL era and the exclusion of Pakistani players have not hurt the tournament at all.

Our fans cannot digest the success of IPL and the fact that it has happened without Pakistani players is a real low-blow.

With these sour grapes, they only make themselves look weak and insecure. It doesn’t impact IPL in any shape or form.

Those comments on that thread about Pakistanis watching the IPL, some fans were like " i don't watch it because no Pakistan players play in it" . Like who cares? The cricketing world doesn't revolve around Pakistan lol. They don't watch the IPL for that reason but will watch a World Cup semi final or final that doesn't involve Pakistan lol.

 

[salahuddin10]

Even if he is trying to get an ipl contract i dont blame him.The difference betweem salaries of ipl and any other cricket tournament is huge.And he would also like Ipl since south africa doesnt have the same following for cricket as India

 

[Chip32]

Those comments on that thread about Pakistanis watching the IPL, some fans were like " i don't watch it because no Pakistan players play in it" . Like who cares? The cricketing world doesn't revolve around Pakistan lol. They don't watch the IPL for that reason but will watch a World Cup semi final or final that doesn't involve Pakistan lol.

They answered the question being asked in the OP. Why are you so pressed?

A WC Final holds significantly more value than the IPL. Even people who don't regularly watch cricket tune in for global tournament finals. What a terrible argument.

 

[IMMY69]

The random T20Is just don't have any context. Also, India barely plays T20Is against minnows and even if they do they don't field their best players. Watching an entirely second fiddle team against a minnow wouldn't interest me. With IPL you have at least 8-9 high quality players playing between the two teams.

Ok but honestly what contract is there in watching the IPL?
Genuinely who cares which team wins especially considering the quality of cricket on offer.
By quality I don't mean fallible of players but rather T20 itself

 

[Hasan123]

They answered the question being asked in the OP. Why are you so pressed?

A WC Final holds significantly more value than the IPL. Even people who don't regularly watch cricket tune in for global tournament finals. What a terrible argument.

The WC final is more important, but if it didn't involve Pakistan players why would you watch it if you only care about Pakistan?

It's a terrible argument for you because it exposes the logic of Pakistan fans who don't watch the IPL due to no Pakistan players.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Ok but honestly what contract is there in watching the IPL?
Genuinely who cares which team wins especially considering the quality of cricket on offer.
By quality I don't mean fallible of players but rather T20 itself

Its a multi-team tournament so there is more context than a bilateral. There are some exceptions like Nidhas Trophy that I liked more than many IPLs but in general bilateral/tri T20I tournaments are just boring, especially those where the good teams are experimenting which is very common.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Regarding quality, Mumbai Indians are a top team and can defeat most International sides. I like watching their games. Avoid most other games especially ones with two of Rajasthan, Delhi, and KKR.

 

[Chip32]

The WC final is more important, but if it didn't involve Pakistan players why would you watch it if you only care about Pakistan?

It's a terrible argument for you because it exposes the logic of Pakistan fans who don't watch the IPL due to no Pakistan players.

The WC is played every four years, and the Final is the most significant game in the cricketing calendar. There is no moment bigger in the sport.

People watch the IPL for giggles, it holds no major significance (as do all leagues).

You are delusional for comparing the two.

 

[Napa]

<b>Lol at least give a decent example.</b>

 

[Napa]

I mean in International Cricket you do not see Bumrah playing back to back matches these days but once IPL starts he suddenly gets fit and doesn't need a break or rest.

You realize you just admitted that top players take the IPL more seriously than international cricket, and hence the standard of the IPL is higher?

 

[Major]

It is a coping mechanism.

The fact is that IPL has become a giant without any contribution from Pakistani players. PCB pulled off a stunt in 2009, it backfired and closed the doors on Pakistani players for good.

The jealously and resentment is natural, but it is time for our fans to move on. No one cares or worries about the presence of Pakistani players in IPL.

Pakistan has been a mediocre team in the IPL era and the exclusion of Pakistani players have not hurt the tournament at all.

Our fans cannot digest the success of IPL and the fact that it has happened without Pakistani players is a real low-blow.

With these sour grapes, they only make themselves look weak and insecure. It doesn’t impact IPL in any shape or form.

It does hurt IPL.

Had Shoaib akhtar played a few more years, the kKR brand and the IPL itself would had benefitted. In the first IPL the hype of akhtar was very much there and than his performance against delhi daredevils.

The afridi hype increased in 2009 and ipl did lose on that.

Yes ipl does exist without pakistani players and their non presence doesnt hurt them that much. But from marketing perspectives they could had gain advantage from some of our players.

I really want IPL to be open for pakistani players, not that i watch it, but I really really really admire the scouting program that exists there. IPl teams have got scouts that watch players play even if they dont play international crixket.
Just recently i think its mumbai indians that signed a kid named Marco from south africa as he had bowled to Kohli.

I really wonder if IPL allowed Pakistani players, whixh franchise would had scouted an uncapped player of ourw

 

[Thanos]

And what has my discussion to do with their performance in ICC tournaments.It was a discussion of a batsman-bowler rivalry and nothing to suggest with ICC tournament which you brought in. I think you should first learn not to derail the thread before saying the same to others.

That's savage

 

[Thanos]

And that too with <60M boundaries no doubt.

Have you confirmed or just posted without checking?

 

[Mamoon]

It does hurt IPL.

Had Shoaib akhtar played a few more years, the kKR brand and the IPL itself would had benefitted. In the first IPL the hype of akhtar was very much there and than his performance against delhi daredevils.

The afridi hype increased in 2009 and ipl did lose on that.

Yes ipl does exist without pakistani players and their non presence doesnt hurt them that much. But from marketing perspectives they could had gain advantage from some of our players.

I really want IPL to be open for pakistani players, not that i watch it, but I really really really admire the scouting program that exists there. IPl teams have got scouts that watch players play even if they dont play international crixket.
Just recently i think its mumbai indians that signed a kid named Marco from south africa as he had bowled to Kohli.

I really wonder if IPL allowed Pakistani players, whixh franchise would had scouted an uncapped player of ourw

The absence of Pakistani players did hurt IPL in 2009 because Pakistan was considered as an elite team in the T20 format and was also the WT20 champions.

The likes of SRK and other owners were also visibly disappointment with PCB blocking the players from participating.

However, the success of IPL over the last 10 years and how it is has gotten bigger and bigger every year shows that they have not missed Pakistani players at all.

Also, the way IPL has become a giant without the contribution of a single Pakistani player is actually embarrassing for Pakistan.

The IPL could not have become such a huge deal without the likes of Gayle, de Villiers, Warner, McCullum, Malinga etc., which shows that Pakistan lacked players of their talent and ability.

If Pakistan was a top team during the IPL era with a lot of elite T20 players, IPL would have been impacted by their absence, but Pakistan has been a mediocre T20I side since 2010-11.

 

[OMB]

Klassen has announced his interest. Smart of him but he and everyone knows that IPL franchises are not window shoppers on Oxford street buying on impulse.
Don't confuse them as consumers getting influenced by advertising tweets. They are strategic team makers with limited budget and always scouting for talent (20k USD for Janssen is a good investment than a 5 million for a Pollard replacement).

Taking Potshots at IPL is a fun pastime but the truth is it is getting bigger and bigger and those who hold grudge against this league are diminishing and very soon their viewpoint will be seen as a myopic way of looking at things.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

The IPL could not have become such a huge deal without the likes of Gayle, de Villiers, Warner, McCullum, Malinga etc., which shows that Pakistan lacked players of their talent and ability.

If Pakistan was a top team during the IPL era with a lot of elite T20 players, IPL would have been impacted by their absence, but Pakistan has been a mediocre T20I side since 2010-11.

Oh are you kidding? Afridi, Ajmal, Hafeez, Gul would have walked in any IPL team, even up till 2015 Ajmal and Afridi were in the top 10 rankings.
Infact I would go as far as saying Afridi, already such a marketable and popular player on top of his performances would have been a perfect fit to bring more eyes on the product.
IPL wasn't hurt by their absence but to say Pakistan lacked any players with ability is a joke.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Exactly. Not only players you can actually feel the pressure on some fans when the WC match is going on. They take those matches seriously and are lot more involved. On the other hand IPL matches look like most of Karan Johar movies. No matter what the story is the end will always be happy and fans of either teams will go back home happily because there is no such thing as loyalty in them. All this drama of creating rivalries between state teams and passionate following looks fake. On top of that they want to compare themselves with fans of football clubs like Liverpool or Man Utd.

Could not have said it better myself

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

And what has my discussion to do with their performance in ICC tournaments.It was a discussion of a batsman-bowler rivalry and nothing to suggest with ICC tournament which you brought in. I think you should first learn not to derail the thread before saying the same to others.

May be you are not aware but OP talks about IPL being the second world cup which is an ICC tournament. It is perfectly legal to discuss the performance/rivalries of these players and compare it with their international ones. Otherwise how will you determine the quality of both these tournaments? Bumrah and AB D have choked multiple times in ICC KO matches which is why many people will take their performances in Pyjama Leagues with a pinch of salt. Bringing in test match discussion is off topic and a failed attempt to run away from the discussion at hand.

 

[IMMY69]

Its a multi-team tournament so there is more context than a bilateral. There are some exceptions like Nidhas Trophy that I liked more than many IPLs but in general bilateral/tri T20I tournaments are just boring, especially those where the good teams are experimenting which is very common.

I'm gonna reserve judgement and sit through a few more matches before making up my mind.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You realize you just admitted that top players take the IPL more seriously than international cricket, and hence the standard of the IPL is higher?

You are wrong. That tells a lot about the loyalty of players towards their countries than the quality of the league lol. These same players went missing in KO matches of real World Cups. I am pretty sure you also rate guys like Unadkat over someone like Starc.

 

[Thanos]

Klassen's application for next season's IPL

I work in a good IT company but not as good as Facebook or Google. I know I am not skilled enough to work in these giants.
But That doesn't mean I can't appreciate these companies. Or any praise to FB google is an attempt to get selected there.

They won't hire me unless I fullfill the requirement.

 

[Devadwal]

I work in a good IT company but not as good as Facebook or Google. I know I am not skilled enough to work in these giants.
But That doesn't mean I can't appreciate these companies. Or any praise to FB google is an attempt to get selected there.

They won't hire me unless I fullfill the requirement.

Good one

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I work in a good IT company but not as good as Facebook or Google. I know I am not skilled enough to work in these giants.
But That doesn't mean I can't appreciate these companies. Or any praise to FB google is an attempt to get selected there.

They won't hire me unless I fullfill the requirement.

I read this statement of yours and then I see guys like Unadkat getting contract of 10 crores something in IPL lol.

 

[Thanos]

I read this statement of yours and then I see guys like Unadkat getting contract of 10 crores something in IPL lol.

You do realise there are 8 teams in IPL and limit on foreign players.

Every franchise keeps 4-5 Indian bowlers in the squad.
Expecting India to have 40 fast/medium pacers as good as Bumrah, Shami is too much to ask.

That's why average or below average palyers are making millions. Because they just fit into the requirement of teams.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

IPL= Less workload, easy money
You win- more money
You lose-meh. we'll miss out on a few extra crore but we'll play next year.
Team loyalty doesn't exist-no high stakes games.
How can you compare it to a WT20.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You do realise there are 8 teams in IPL and limit on foreign players.

Every franchise keeps 4-5 Indian bowlers in the squad.
Expecting India to have 40 fast/medium pacers as good as Bumrah, Shami is too much to ask.

That's why average or below average palyers are making millions. Because they just fit into the requirement of teams.

That's the point. Average or below average players can make millions in IPL. There could be other off field reasons too for them making millions in IPL but you have to go through lot of stages to get into FB and Google. You won't see Mark Zuckerberg and Sundar Pichai hiring talent through auctions where as in IPL you can see billionaires can throw as much money as they want to satisfy their ego and buy players. This is why your example of bringing in FB and Google doesn't fit here. Buttering, nepotism, fake praising won't work in companies like FB and Google.

 

[OMB]

You do realise there are 8 teams in IPL and limit on foreign players.

Every franchise keeps 4-5 Indian bowlers in the squad.
Expecting India to have 40 fast/medium pacers as good as Bumrah, Shami is too much to ask.

That's why average or below average palyers are making millions. Because they just fit into the requirement of teams.

I reckon there will be 40 bowlers far better than Unadkat. due to the incentive.

 

[Ab Fan]

May be you are not aware but OP talks about IPL being the second world cup which is an ICC tournament. It is perfectly legal to discuss the performance/rivalries of these players and compare it with their international ones. Otherwise how will you determine the quality of both these tournaments? Bumrah and AB D have choked multiple times in ICC KO matches which is why many people will take their performances in Pyjama Leagues with a pinch of salt. Bringing in test match discussion is off topic and a failed attempt to run away from the discussion at hand.

It seems I really need to spoon-fed everything to you but anyways, I will try to summarise you everything in this single post. If you still don't learn, then I will suggest you to not quote me with your nonsensical stuffs again.

To begin with, the thread is about IPL which is not an ICC tournament. The administrators are BCCI and a google search would give you this answer before you try to bring an ICC tournament argument in an IPL thread.

Secondly, below is the record of the two men who were in question in ICC World tournaments, i.e. WT20 and ODI World Cup:-

ODI World Cup:-

de Villiers- Runs 1207, Avg 65, S/R 117
Bumrah- Wickets 18, Avg 20, Econ 4.42

T20 World Cup:-

de Villiers- Avg 30, S/R 144

Bumrah played his only WT20 tournament in 2016 which was long back and it was during the start of his career. The next two WT20s will define his overall performance in that format.

Now, based on these stats, what it suggests me that these two have got probably one of the best Average/SR and Average/Economy combo you can ask from any player in ICC World tournaments. So, next time onwards, I suggest you watch some cricket before coming up with your illogical and brainless arguments in any discussion.

Now, I hope you understand that no ICC tournament is bigger than ODI world Cup or T20 World Cup so you don't bring some other lower known ICC tournaments in consideration.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It seems I really need to spoon-fed everything to you but anyways, I will try to summarise you everything in this single post. If you still don't learn, then I will suggest you to not quote me with your nonsensical stuffs again.

To begin with, the thread is about IPL which is not an ICC tournament. The administrators are BCCI and a google search would give you this answer before you try to bring an ICC tournament argument in an IPL thread.

Secondly, below is the record of the two men who were in question in ICC World tournaments, i.e. WT20 and ODI World Cup:-

ODI World Cup:-

de Villiers- Runs 1207, Avg 65, S/R 117
Bumrah- Wickets 18, Avg 20, Econ 4.42

T20 World Cup:-

de Villiers- Avg 30, S/R 144

Bumrah played his only WT20 tournament in 2016 which was long back and it was during the start of his career. The next two WT20s will define his overall performance in that format.

Now, based on these stats, what it suggests me that these two have got probably one of the best Average/SR and Average/Economy combo you can ask from any player in ICC World tournaments. So, next time onwards, I suggest you watch some cricket before coming up with your illogical and brainless arguments in any discussion.

Now, I hope you understand that no ICC tournament is bigger than ODI world Cup or T20 World Cup so you don't bring some other lower known ICC tournaments in consideration.

I guess you should start spoon feeding yourself because I clearly mentioned that these two players went missing in high pressure KO or Final matches. Most of the time you don't even know what you are arguing about lol. Pressure is getting to you just like it did to AB in knockout matches.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

I guess you should start spoon feeding yourself because I clearly mentioned that these two players went missing in high pressure KO or Final matches. Most of the time you don't even know what you are arguing about lol. Pressure is getting to you just like it did to AB in knockout matches.

Pressure got to AB so much so he didn't want to play international cricket anymore. But when it comes to batting against unadkat who can say no QuALiTY CrIcKet

 

[Thanos]

That's the point. Average or below average players can make millions in IPL. There could be other off field reasons too for them making millions in IPL but you have to go through lot of stages to get into FB and Google. You won't see Mark Zuckerberg and Sundar Pichai hiring talent through auctions where as in IPL you can see billionaires can throw as much money as they want to satisfy their ego and buy players. This is why your example of bringing in FB and Google doesn't fit here. Buttering, nepotism, fake praising won't work in companies like FB and Google.

Good that you think all working in FB Google only because they deserve and not because they were at right place at right time. Also I guess you believe no one gets released from FB Google once they're hired. Because if I am not wrong Klassen too was at right place at right time and played in IPL.

I can't think of any field in world where nepotism, buttering and other traits you mentioned above don't exist. IPL is no exception too. K Jadhav, S Binny are few to name.
But just because Klassen has praised IPL doesn't mean he is buttering franchises to get selected. That's what I meant by FB Google example. If Klassen had performed better, he still have been playing in IPL.

One needs to understand how requirement/recruitment and selection works.
Billionaires throw money if the player bidding for is fit to their team's requirement. They go to bidding war if player fits into multiple team's requirement.
Tomorrow they'll throw more money if the purse limit is raised. An unfilled spot can waste their whole investment in other players. In process players like Unadkat Morris makes millions but why people crying about this?

And let me clear my thought about T20 leagues.
IPL, BBL, BPL, PSL etc, all are tamasha cricket. Played in a highly unpredictable format where any bad/average player can chnage the result in span of 10-30 deliveries OR any star player can fail to impact despite earning millions.

The sole purpose of everyone involved is too make money. No matter what any particular player has said about IPL or PSL etc, all these leagues are same and only difference is money. As of now IPL has more money so most players want to play in that. Tomorrow if PSL or other league provide equal or more compensation players will follow accordingly.

One thing that can't be denied is since lot of top international players participate in IPL, nothing wrong if Klassen thinks it's like 2nd World T20. Atleast by looking at players list.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pressure got to AB so much he didn't want to play international cricket anymore. But when it comes to batting against unadkat who can say no QuALiTY CrIcKet

Klassen is calling IPL the second World Cup. I wonder which World Cup was he talking about? Surely it can't be the one that is hosted by ICC? Some people say IPL doesn't come under ICC then why do you want a window from ICC? Why do you need international stars? OP is comparing it directly with World Cup which to my knowledge comes under ICC but somehow people can't even discuss it in this thread because it will hurt their ego.

 

[Raja Ishtiaq]

Shouldn't be surprising to hear him say that, it is the truth. The best players in the world (except from Pakistan) are all there, and you can see the intensity with which they play (the way the fielders run to stop boundaries etc.). It is cricket of the highest quality.

Lol baloney. You think someone like Warner really cares about Hyderabad (or whomever he plays for) winning or losing?

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

There was a time when many cricket lovers like me in India looked at Australia’s Sheffield Shield, the County Championship in England and Wales with envy.
As Indian cricket struggled to find its footing in the international arena despite playing the game for so long.
The first-class system was under a lot of scrutiny.
Every one would agree here that it didn’t throw up enough crucible-hardened cricketers ready for the big stage. I mean look the the team that went to Australia in 1999.
Players like Devang Gandhi did well in Ranji, but completely overawed at that big stage.

The IPL has had a huge impact even on first-class cricket and its cricketers in India. With more funds in the ecosystem, players can be paid better. Also, those that are part of IPL changing rooms get to mingle with the best in the game. The lessons they learn can then be passed on to their teammates at state level. It’s no coincidence that fitness levels, across the board, are immeasurably higher.

Compare 1999 to 2021, Players like Pant, Gill, Washi not overawed by the Australian challenge.

So, IPL's impact is more nuanced, and more detailed, and has lot of depth.
People can keep going on with their blind hate, and agenda to say that IPL and this and that.
But its impact on Indian Cricket in general has been huge, as Indian fans, that is all that matters to us.
So, No one gives two hoot about anyones opinions. They can hate it and blame it for all the so called evils.