"The IPL is a massive competition. It's almost like a second T20 World Cup" : Heinrich Klaasen

[Rajdeep]

Pressure got to AB so much so he didn't want to play international cricket anymore. But when it comes to batting against unadkat who can say no QuALiTY CrIcKet

AB didnt retire due to IPL. He would have been a box office hit in IPL even as an active international player. AB retired due to racist SA board which discriminates against white players in the name of quota system. He said time and again that his ultimate goal was to win a world cup for his nation and was gearing towards 2019 but then retired prematurely due to the reckless attitude of SA board.

The only player who retired for the lust of money even after getting support from his board in M.Amir. So rather than accusing players from other nations, maybe time to look into own house?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Good that you think all working in FB Google only because they deserve and not because they were at right place at right time. Also I guess you believe no one gets released from FB Google once they're hired. Because if I am not wrong Klassen too was at right place at right time and played in IPL.

I can't think of any field in world where nepotism, buttering and other traits you mentioned above don't exist. IPL is no exception too. K Jadhav, S Binny are few to name.
But just because Klassen has praised IPL doesn't mean he is buttering franchises to get selected. That's what I meant by FB Google example. If Klassen had performed better, he still have been playing in IPL.

One needs to understand how requirement/recruitment and selection works.
Billionaires throw money if the player bidding for is fit to their team's requirement. They go to bidding war if player fits into multiple team's requirement.
Tomorrow they'll throw more money if the purse limit is raised. An unfilled spot can waste their whole investment in other players. In process players like Unadkat Morris makes millions but why people crying about this?

And let me clear my thought about T20 leagues.
IPL, BBL, BPL, PSL etc, all are tamasha cricket. Played in a highly unpredictable format where any bad/average player can chnage the result in span of 10-30 deliveries OR any star player can fail to impact despite earning millions.

The sole purpose of everyone involved is too make money. No matter what any particular player has said about IPL or PSL etc, all these leagues are same and only difference is money. As of now IPL has more money so most players want to play in that. Tomorrow if PSL or other league provide equal or more compensation players will follow accordingly.

One thing that can't be denied is since lot of top international players participate in IPL, nothing wrong if Klassen thinks it's like 2nd World T20. Atleast by looking at players list.

During the last Aus series I heard many IPL fans saying that Maxwell doesn't perform like this in IPL. If I am not wrong he has been in IPL for many years yet he doesn't perform and keeps getting selected. Can you explain why? I don't remember the names of some players but I am sure there are others like Unadkat who got contracts like him whereas in companies like Google and FB you won't survive for long if your uncle recommended you.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

After watching a full season of ipl in 2020 i think it definitely is on par with the t20 WC. No doubt about it.

 

[Ab Fan]

I guess you should start spoon feeding yourself because I clearly mentioned that these two players went missing in high pressure KO or Final matches. Most of the time you don't even know what you are arguing about lol. Pressure is getting to you just like it did to AB in knockout matches.

So, now after getting humiliated once again, you have now filtered your criteria to knockout matches. Last time in World Cup, he played a knockout match, SA got to 300 runs in a 43 overs match with AB scoring at 150 strike rate and was not out, so you are again proven wrong there.

I understand that you are trying hard to finding a coping mechanism after the tough times you have had over last three months on this forum, especially since the Australia test series. Maybe you should relax and watch today's IPL game as it has two of your favourite topics over last few years going against each other .

But anyways, I have given you answers to my question and before you further detail this thread, let me remind you it is not about ABD and international cricket but Klaasen and IPL.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

There was a time when many cricket lovers like me in India looked at Australia’s Sheffield Shield, the County Championship in England and Wales with envy.
As Indian cricket struggled to find its footing in the international arena despite playing the game for so long.
The first-class system was under a lot of scrutiny.
Every one would agree here that it didn’t throw up enough crucible-hardened cricketers ready for the big stage. I mean look the the team that went to Australia in 1999.
Players like Devang Gandhi did well in Ranji, but completely overawed at that big stage.

The IPL has had a huge impact even on first-class cricket and its cricketers in India. With more funds in the ecosystem, players can be paid better. Also, those that are part of IPL changing rooms get to mingle with the best in the game. The lessons they learn can then be passed on to their teammates at state level. It’s no coincidence that fitness levels, across the board, are immeasurably higher.

Compare 1999 to 2021, Players like Pant, Gill, Washi not overawed by the Australian challenge.

So, IPL's impact is more nuanced, and more detailed, and has lot of depth.
People can keep going on with their blind hate, and agenda to say that IPL and this and that.
But its impact on Indian Cricket in general has been huge, as Indian fans, that is all that matters to us.
So, No one gives two hoot about anyones opinions. They can hate it and blame it for all the so called evils.

Same logic can be applied on your opinion too.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

So, now after getting humiliated once again, you have now filtered your criteria to knockout matches. Last time in World Cup, he played a knockout match, SA got to 300 runs in a 43 overs match with AB scoring at 150 strike rate and was not out, so you are again proven wrong there.

I understand that you are trying hard to finding a coping mechanism after the tough times you have had over last three months on this forum, especially since the Australia test series. Maybe you should relax and watch today's IPL game as it has two of your favourite topics over last few years going against each other .

But anyways, I have given you answers to my question and before you further detail this thread, let me remind you it is not about ABD and international cricket but Klaasen and IPL.

Bumrah's spell in 2019 Wc SemiFinal
39-1 in 10 overs. What a ChokeJob!

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Same logic can be applied on your opinion too.

Yes. Please do.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Wonderful battle. Another similarity is that both of them likes to run away from International Cricket and choke in KO matches of ICC tournaments. Looks like they are Bunty and Bubbly of IPL.

So, now after getting humiliated once again, you have now filtered your criteria to knockout matches. Last time in World Cup, he played a knockout match, SA got to 300 runs in a 43 overs match with AB scoring at 150 strike rate and was not out, so you are again proven wrong there.

I understand that you are trying hard to finding a coping mechanism after the tough times you have had over last three months on this forum, especially since the Australia test series. Maybe you should relax and watch today's IPL game as it has two of your favourite topics over last few years going against each other .

But anyways, I have given you answers to my question and before you further detail this thread, let me remind you it is not about ABD and international cricket but Klaasen and IPL.

You need to improve your comprehension. You are getting too excited in your yet another failed attempt to humiliate me lol. First you brought their test stats, then you talked about me being a Pakistani fan and now you are talking about Aus series which has nothing to do with this thread. On top of that you want me to not bring T20 World Cup into this thread since OP is calling Pyjama League the second World Cup. I wonder which world cup was he talking about?

 

[Ab Fan]

Bumrah's spell in 2019 Wc SemiFinal
39-1 in 10 overs. What a ChokeJob!

Indeed..what a choker lol

BVB is a poster who makes illogical arguments.

Then after it gets ripped apart, he says,

You are derailing this thread...

)

Nice coping mechanism lol.

 

[Thanos]

During the last Aus series I heard many IPL fans saying that Maxwell doesn't perform like this in IPL. If I am not wrong he has been in IPL for many years yet he doesn't perform and keeps getting selected. Can you explain why? I don't remember the names of some players but I am sure there are others like Unadkat who got contracts like him whereas in companies like Google and FB you won't survive for long if your uncle recommended you.

That's why Maxwell has been released by teams so many times. Just because Maxwell getting multiple chances doesn't mean everyone else will.

Has Klassen done as good as Maxwell for his country or in BBL? Maxwell is not a consistent perfomer but no one can deny his ability.
To me he looks like a con man but what can be done if different franchises looks at his hitting ability and selects him hoping he would be good this year.

If it was all about buttering, he would have been playing for one team all these years despite failures.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Both have won their team a test series win in Australia twice and are legends of the game. Bumrah will become legend sooner if he isn't now.

Not interested in these 20-20 tamasha that you feel is bigger than proper test cricket in alien conditions like Australia where your team hasn't won a single match since Miandad retired from all formats.

So, now after getting humiliated once again, you have now filtered your criteria to knockout matches. Last time in World Cup, he played a knockout match, SA got to 300 runs in a 43 overs match with AB scoring at 150 strike rate and was not out, so you are again proven wrong there.

I understand that you are trying hard to finding a coping mechanism after the tough times you have had over last three months on this forum, especially since the Australia test series. Maybe you should relax and watch today's IPL game as it has two of your favourite topics over last few years going against each other .

But anyways, I have given you answers to my question and before you further detail this thread, let me remind you it is not about ABD and international cricket but Klaasen and IPL.

Indeed..what a choker lol

BVB is a poster who makes illogical arguments.

Then after it gets ripped apart, he says,

You are derailing this thread...

)

Nice coping mechanism lol.

Unlike you, I do know how to back up my statement. Proof given. You have a habit of getting personal in between conversations, bringing unrelated things to topic at hand and consistently trying hard to bring down other's opinion without understanding it completely. And then you put the blame on others.

 

[Ab Fan]

Unlike you, I do know how to back up my statement. Proof given. You have a habit of getting personal in between conversations, bringing unrelated things to topic at hand and consistently trying hard to bring down other's opinion without understanding it completely. And then you put the blame on others.

What about the stats that I gave you of the two mentioned players to rip your argument that they fail in ICC tournament?? You conveniently ignored that??

I understand it is your coping mechanism lol )

I guess I have better things to do rather than wasting my time on a headless chicken and what was the other one, Tullaybaaz?? over here, so I am done now.

 

[Mirpur express]

Good for those who enjoy it .. but that doesn’t mean it’s the best thing since sliced bread!! full of has beens & chokers lol ABD couldn’t buy a run @ LQ , I have nothing against folk singing praises for ipl or the players out there but my opinion will automatically make me a hater lol

 

[TheNightWatchman]

AB didnt retire due to IPL. He would have been a box office hit in IPL even as an active international player. AB retired due to racist SA board which discriminates against white players in the name of quota system. He said time and again that his ultimate goal was to win a world cup for his nation and was gearing towards 2019 but then retired prematurely due to the reckless attitude of SA board.

The only player who retired for the lust of money even after getting support from his board in M.Amir. So rather than accusing players from other nations, maybe time to look into own house?

A spade is a spade. Ab's reasons for retirement were "I am tired. Too much pressure from the fans, coaches and country.It's been unbearable at times: the pressure you have to face, performing day in and day out,"

Yet he'll both play T20 leagues all day. AB is just as guilty,if not more, whether you want to admit it or not.
I don't blame the guy. It's easy money, no pressure.
But don't even try to compare it to the stress and will power to get through an international tournament.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Wonderful battle. Another similarity is that both of them likes to run away from International Cricket and choke in KO matches of ICC tournaments. Looks like they are Bunty and Bubbly of IPL.

What about the stats that I gave you of the two mentioned players to rip your argument that they fail in ICC tournament?? You conveniently ignored that??

I understand it is your coping mechanism lol )

I guess I have better things to do rather than wasting my time on a headless chicken and what was the other one, Tullaybaaz?? over here, so I am done now.

I didn't even talk about their overall stats anyway. I was specifically talking about their performance in KO matches which you ignored intentionally and brought tests, miandad, aus series to cover it. You are more than welcome to rip my argument regarding KO matches but knowing you, you will bring in another off topic stuff in this thread, make fun of me and run away.

 

[Rajdeep]

A spade is a spade. Ab's reasons for retirement were "I am tired. Too much pressure from the fans, coaches and country.It's been unbearable at times: the pressure you have to face, performing day in and day out,"

Yet he'll both play T20 leagues all day. AB is just as guilty,if not more, whether you want to admit it or not.
I don't blame the guy. It's easy money, no pressure.
But don't even try to compare it to the stress and will power to get through an international tournament.

Your arguement would have hold true if international cricket was stopping him from participating in IPL but that is not the case. Since there is a seperate window given, ABDV would have continued to play IPL even as an active international cricketer. And he does not play other t20 leagues anyway.

So IPL is not the reason of his premature retirement. Its the reasons I mentioned previously.

 

[Mesozoic]

Good for those who enjoy it .. but that doesn’t mean it’s the best thing since sliced bread!! full of has beens & chokers lol ABD couldn’t buy a run @ LQ , I have nothing against folk singing praises for ipl or the players out there but my opinion will automatically make me a hater lol

He averages 54.5 in the PSL.


Looks like he bought more than a run...

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Your arguement would have hold true if international cricket was stopping him from participating in IPL but that is not the case. Since there is a seperate window given, ABDV would have continued to play IPL even as an active international cricketer. And he does not play other t20 leagues anyway.

So IPL is not the reason of his premature retirement. Its the reasons I mentioned previously.

I never said it was a reason for his retirement...
Just that he conveniently left his international team high and dry before the worldcup. Decided that the IPL is easy money, no stress and took his talents to Juhu beach.
My point is there is no comparison between a T20 WC and a league which is basically a highly paid vacation for these foreign players.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

International cricket should never be compared to as BVB says, pyjama leagues. It's an insult to players who play for their National teams. There's a whole level of intensity and much more at stake when playing international tournaments. Nobody cares who won the 2012 or 2016 versions of the IPL. We care about who wins the 2012 and 2016 T20 WCs. I don't care if ABDV smashes Unadkat around the park in an IPL final. I care when Brathwaith is smashing 6's on Ben Stokes in the final. A Kohli 100 vs MI won't be as entertaining as the innings he played against Australia in 2016 T20. It's a whole different ball game.

 

[Ab Fan]

<B>I didn't even talk about their overall stats anyway. I was specifically talking about their performance in KO matches which you ignored intentionally</B> and brought tests, miandad, aus series to cover it. You are more than welcome to rip my argument regarding KO matches but knowing you, you will bring in another off topic stuff in this thread, make fun of me and run away.

I explained you that as well. ABD played three world cup knockouts in his career and Bumrah has played one and here are their performances.

ABD - 15(2007), 35(2011), 65*(2015)
Runs 115, matches 3, not out 1, Avg 57.75
Bumrah - 1-38(10 overs) (2019)

AB and Bumrah are proven superstars in international arena. In IPL, only great players do well. If you are trying to suggest that AB or Bumrah are not good enough for international cricket and hence playing IPL, then look at their career stats. They are not greats because of IPL but it is because of international cricket.

You have to be brilliant then only you will do well in IPL consistently. This is why the best players in IPL are Warner, AB, Gayle, Raina, Rohit, Kohli, MSD, KL, Buttler, Stokes, Pollard, Russell, Narine, Rashid Khan, Bumrah, Bhuvi, Archer and Rabada.

 

[Sunzi]

Couldn't liken it to a World Cup but its certainly a cricketing carnival and can understand why it is a notable event on the cricketing calendar in comparison to, say, other T20 Leagues.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

I explained you that as well. ABD played three world cup knockouts in his career and Bumrah has played one and here are their performances.

ABD - 15(2007), 35(2011), 65*(2015)
Runs 115, matches 3, not out 1, Avg 57.75
Bumrah - 1-38(10 overs) (2019)

AB and Bumrah are proven superstars in international arena. In IPL, only great players do well. If you are trying to suggest that AB or Bumrah are not good enough for international cricket and hence playing IPL, then look at their career stats. They are not greats because of IPL but it is because of international cricket.

You have to be brilliant then only you will do well in IPL consistently. This is why the best players in IPL are Warner, AB, Gayle, Raina, Rohit, Kohli, MSD, KL, Buttler, Stokes, Pollard, Russell, Narine, Rashid Khan, Bumrah, Bhuvi, Archer and Rabada.

Not taking anyone's side in this argument. My argument is different, but didn't Bumrah get hit around the park in the WI vs India SF in the T20. Also I hate to bring it up, the CT17 final
Also AB got out to Afridi on 0 I think in the T20 2009 SF.
Bumrah hasnt played enough but AB is a big match choker. He hasn't taken his team over the line once especially considering how many knockouts hes played.
But I think I understand BvB's comments. Its a different thing playing in a tournament where the stakes are almost nil and you get another chance the year after and a completely different thing playing high pressure games at the highest stage of cricket.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I explained you that as well. ABD played three world cup knockouts in his career and Bumrah has played one and here are their performances.

ABD - 15(2007), 35(2011), 65*(2015)
Runs 115, matches 3, not out 1, Avg 57.75
Bumrah - 1-38(10 overs) (2019)

AB and Bumrah are proven superstars in international arena. In IPL, only great players do well. If you are trying to suggest that AB or Bumrah are not good enough for international cricket and hence playing IPL, then look at their career stats. They are not greats because of IPL but it is because of international cricket.

You have to be brilliant then only you will do well in IPL consistently. This is why the best players in IPL are Warner, AB, Gayle, Raina, Rohit, Kohli, MSD, KL, Buttler, Stokes, Pollard, Russell, Narine, Rashid Khan, Bumrah, Bhuvi, Archer and Rabada.

Not my fault if you can't comprehend simple things. This thread talks about IPL being the second world cup. So my point was regarding that. The pressure and quality of real World Cup is a lot better than so called international quality IPL. In World Cups and big ICC tournaments even guys like Bumrah and AB D choked whereas in IPL they play without any real pressure and loyalty.

Hopefully now you can understand this and not take things out of context. I didn't talk about their overall records. Everyone knows AB D and Bumrah both are world class players. No one is denying that. I was just using their names as an example to show how players like them feel the pressure of World Cup but play freely in a low quality league like IPL. Point is to expose the quality of IPL not Bumrah and AB D. Think again.

 

[Saj]

If he carries on batting like he has today, he will definitely catch the eye of the IPL franchises.

Batted beautifully.

 

[Mamoon]

Klassen should learn to bat first before running his mouth with his rubbish opinions.

Yet another poorly timed post by you whenever India is involved.

2018 Asia Cup, India tour of Australia in 2021, and now this. As I always say, you will never learn.

Klaasen is a fine player who has played some good knocks against far better teams than Pakistan.

 

[Ab Fan]

Not my fault if you can't comprehend simple things. This thread talks about IPL being the second world cup. So my point was regarding that. The pressure and quality of real World Cup is a lot better than so called international quality IPL. In World Cups and big ICC tournaments even guys like Bumrah and AB D choked whereas in IPL they play without any real pressure and loyalty.

Hopefully now you can understand this and not take things out of context. I didn't talk about their overall records. Everyone knows AB D and Bumrah both are world class players. No one is denying that. I was just using their names as an example to show how players like them feel the pressure of World Cup but play freely in a low quality league like IPL. Point is to expose the quality of IPL not Bumrah and AB D. Think again.

Well, ABD has choked in IPL finals too. So, no. Again a failed attempt to expose the quality of IPL.

He has played some brilliant knock in IPL semis just like he has played brilliant knocks in ICC World Cup semis too.

Actually, this further proves that IPL is clearly on par with WT20 and all the guys who are in denials are as delusional as one can get.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Again, saying IPL is on par with WT20 is an insult. You make it sound like winning the IPL is of the same equivalent to winning a T20WC?

 

[Ab Fan]

The fact that a player of Steve Smith calibre misses out to the XI for an IPL team tells us about the quality of the IPL.

 

[Slim]

Yet another poorly timed post by you whenever India is involved.

2018 Asia Cup, India tour of Australia in 2021, and now this. As I always say, you will never learn.

Klaasen is a fine player who has played some good knocks against far better teams than Pakistan.

You literally must have ran to your computer to post this. Did you see him bat in the ODI series? Its a fluke.

 

[Slim]

The fact that a player of Steve Smith calibre misses out to the XI for an IPL team tells us about the quality of the IPL.

No it doesnt. IPL has an international player limitation.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

I don't think its bad quality cricket. There are no nobody's playing in the teams. Some of the best t20 players in the world play in that league. BUT to compare it to international level cricket which is premiere cricket is absurd.

 

[Ab Fan]

No it doesnt. IPL has an international player limitation.

The fact that Smith still misses out with no Rabada and Nortje available further emphasises the argument that alongside WT20, IPL is the most important format in T20 format.

It is not comparable to ODI world Cup and Test Cricket obviously but in T20s, it is the most prestigious tournament and about slightly lesser equivalent to WT20.

The order is :-

1. ODI world cup
2. Test Cricket
3. WT20 win
4. IPL

Hence, IPL is better than bilateral T20s and bilateral ODIs these days.

 

[Mamoon]

You literally must have ran to your computer to post this. Did you see him bat in the ODI series? Its a fluke.

He has a century and 2 fifties in 6 ODIs against a very strong Australian attack.

In T20Is, he has scored half-centuries against England and India.

He is a good player.

The issue is not just your ignorance but your phobia of Indian cricket which forces you to jump the gun every single time, only for it to backfire later on.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The fact that a player of Steve Smith calibre misses out to the XI for an IPL team tells us about the quality of the IPL.

Nope. That only tells what a joke this league cricket is. Steve Smith is enjoying his paid vacation it seems.

 

[Ab Fan]

Nope. That only tells what a joke this league cricket is. Steve Smith is enjoying his paid vacation it seems.

He won't get paid if he doesn't play

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The fact that Smith still misses out with no Rabada and Nortje available further emphasises the argument that alongside WT20, IPL is the most important format in T20 format.

It is not comparable to ODI world Cup and Test Cricket obviously but in T20s, it is the most prestigious tournament and about slightly lesser equivalent to WT20.

The order is :-

1. ODI world cup
2. Test Cricket
3. WT20 win
4. IPL

Hence, IPL is better than bilateral T20s and bilateral ODIs these days.

May be for you but not for all of us.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He won't get paid if he doesn't play

Really? Are you sure?

 

[Ab Fan]

May be for you but not for all of us.

For most of us

 

[Ab Fan]

The things which matters the most in international cricket:-

1. Multiple Test series wins in Australia
2. Performance in ODI world Cup
3. Performance in WT20 or IPL

Players like ABD, Bumrah and Pant have all three boxes ticked.

 

[Napa]

You are wrong. That tells a lot about the loyalty of players towards their countries than the quality of the league lol. These same players went missing in KO matches of real World Cups. I am pretty sure you also rate guys like Unadkat over someone like Starc.

No, I don't rate Unadkat over Start, who is your great hope. You keep chanting "Starc, Starc, Starc..." because he chose Australia over IPL a few times, though he also played in IPL a few times. Why not talk about Quinton de Kock, Kagiso Rabada, David Miller, Anrich Nortje and Lungi Ngidi instead of Starc?

You call IPL a "payjama league", while at the same time complaining that top players like Bumrah are choosing to make IPL their top priority. Maybe you don't see the contradiction in what you say, but if you don't I am not going to keep trying to make you understand.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He won't get paid if he doesn't play

Just checked in google. As long as they are available to play for their franchises they will get paid. Paid vacation for Smith indeed.

 

[Napa]

Lol baloney. You think someone like Warner really cares about Hyderabad (or whomever he plays for) winning or losing?

That's like asking whether Messi cares about Barcelona, or Ronaldo cares about Juventas?

The way modern sports works is that professional athletes care about making their best effort at the highest level of the sport. For money (which is very important for 99%+ of humans), and also for the satisfaction of giving their best when they are competing at the highest level.

The fact that Quinton de Kock, Kagiso Rabada, David Miller, Anrich Nortje and Lungi Ngidi chose IPL over SA should tell you what the highest level of the sport is.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

No, I don't rate Unadkat over Start, who is your great hope. You keep chanting "Starc, Starc, Starc..." because he chose Australia over IPL a few times, though he also played in IPL a few times. Why not talk about Quinton de Kock, Kagiso Rabada, David Miller, Anrich Nortje and Lungi Ngidi instead of Starc?

You call IPL a "payjama league", while at the same time complaining that top players like Bumrah are choosing to make IPL their top priority. Maybe you don't see the contradiction in what you say, but if you don't I am not going to keep trying to make you understand.

Just because Bumrah skips international matches to remain fit for a circus it will make that circus league world class? And I can't call it a pyjama league? What kind of logic is that lol? You should read what's written properly before coming up with dumb replies. Your lack of comprehension hardly surprise me. You look in the west and shoot in the south.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistanis dont get to play in the IPL.

Pakistan doesn't get IPL telecast.

Pakistanis apparently don't watch IPL.

But they surely haveca lot of opinion on something they are not connected with.

 

[Ab Fan]

That's like asking whether Messi cares about Barcelona, or Ronaldo cares about Juventas?

The way modern sports works is that professional athletes care about making their best effort at the highest level of the sport. For money (which is very important for 99%+ of humans), and also for the satisfaction of giving their best when they are competing at the highest level.

The fact that Quinton de Kock, Kagiso Rabada, David Miller, Anrich Nortje and Lungi Ngidi chose IPL over SA should tell you what the highest level of the sport is.

Another eye-opener post for some of the guys over here.

I will repeat your last sentence for some as they find it hard to comprehend. <B>The fact that Quinton de Kock, Kagiso Rabada, David Miller, Anrich Nortje and Lungi Ngidi chose IPL over SA should tell you what the highest level of the sport is</B>

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pakistanis dont get to play in the IPL.

Pakistan doesn't get IPL telecast.

Pakistanis apparently don't watch IPL.

But they surely haveca lot of opinion on something they are not connected with.

On top of that they are doing it on an Indian forum. How funny is that? )

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Another eye-opener post for some of the guys over here.

I will repeat your last sentence for some as they find it hard to comprehend. <B>The fact that Quinton de Kock, Kagiso Rabada, David Miller, Anrich Nortje and Lungi Ngidi chose IPL over SA should tell you what the highest level of the sport is</B>

They chose the paid vacation over national duty.

 

[Ab Fan]

They chose the paid vacation over national duty.

Fair to say they are also sell-outs. Prioritising money over national cricket duty, hence they are also sell-outs or maybe they just don't value international T20s as much as they value IPL.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Fair to say they are also sell-outs. Prioritising money over national cricket duty, hence they are also sell-outs or maybe they just don't value international T20s as much as they value IPL.

Are you also calling AB a sell out?

 

[Ab Fan]

Are you also calling AB a sell out?

So, you agree that for international cricketers, IPL is of a higher value than international T20s. For a change, good start in my opinion

 

[Rohan]

Fair to say they are also sell-outs. Prioritising money over national cricket duty, hence they are also sell-outs or maybe they just don't value international T20s as much as they value IPL.

Personally, I'm one of the biggest fans of test cricket here, but given business model to survive cricket and cricketers, IPL takes the cake and cricketers understand that. We key board warriors can argue whole life but nothing will change. We can not ignore the importance of IPL in cricketers' lives. It has secured the financial futures of lots of players who would never play international cricket.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So, you agree that for international cricketers, IPL is of a higher value than international T20s. For a change, good start in my opinion

Answer the question. Did you call AB a sell-out? A sell-out will only care about getting cheap money without working hard not quality. At least think before typing loĺ.

 

[NishanKonar]

If he keeps batting like this - Klassen will definitely land a fat IPL cheque soon & then will choose IPL over nation - and our Bhag Viru Bhag bhai will need a lot more burnol

 

[Ab Fan]

Answer the question. Did you call AB a sell-out? A sell-out will only care about getting cheap money without working hard not quality. At least think before typing loĺ.

AB is not a sell-out. He has served South African cricket for 14 years and achieved multiple test series wins in Australia, test series wins and draw in several other country. He is not like a Amir or Asif who sold their country just for the sake of money by doing spot fixing. He deserves far more respect and is a legend of the game who has win his country plenty of matches. When a player achieves that much, he has the license to decide when he wants to retire, especially if his country's board is fine with that.

Now, time for you to answer my question. You finally agree that IPL is of higher value than international T20s as five of South Africa's world class players which includes Rabada and de kock preferred IPL over playing a T20 series vs an international standard team who toured SA?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

AB is not a sell-out. He has served South African cricket for 14 years and achieved multiple test series wins in Australia, test series wins and draw in several other country. He is not like a Amir or Asif who sold their country just for the sake of money by doing spot fixing. He deserves far more respect and is a legend of the game who has win his country plenty of matches. When a player achieves that much, he has the license to decide when he wants to retire, especially if his country's board is fine with that.

Now, time for you to answer my question. You finally agree that IPL is of higher value than international T20s as five of South Africa's world class players which includes Rabada and de kock preferred IPL over playing a T20 series vs an international standard team who toured SA?

I don't agree.

 

[Ab Fan]

I don't agree.

Can you please elaborate?

What you don't agree?? Cant you see they just left the Pakistan T20 series for playing in IPL.

It suggests me that they value IPL over international T20s and if cricketers are doing that, then it completely proves that IPL is of a much higher value than international T20 cricket or else it will mean that they basically are disrespecting the opposition team that toured their country just now.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

The South African players are leaving international duty for IPL because they'd much rather play high quality cricket with Unadkat. and play at the highest level

 

[IMMY69]

Can you please elaborate?

What you don't agree?? Cant you see they just left the Pakistan T20 series for playing in IPL.

It suggests me that they value IPL over international T20s and if cricketers are doing that, then it completely proves that IPL is of a much higher value than international T20 cricket or else it will mean that they basically are disrespecting the opposition team that toured their country just now.

You mean they left the Pakistan series for the money.
Please at least get that right.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Can you please elaborate?

What you don't agree?? Cant you see they just left the Pakistan T20 series for playing in IPL.

It suggests me that they value IPL over international T20s and if cricketers are doing that, then it completely proves that IPL is of a much higher value than international T20 cricket or else it will mean that they basically are disrespecting the opposition team that toured their country just now.

I already mentioned above that they are just enjoying their paid vacation and it has nothing to do with the quality of cricket. International Cricket > IPL.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You mean they left the Pakistan series for the money.
Please at least get that right.

Yeah. He looks confused now.

 

[Ab Fan]

I already mentioned above that they are just enjoying their paid vacation and it has nothing to do with the quality of cricket. International Cricket > IPL.

They are not getting paid vacation. Get your facts right. You look really confused here. QDk will play for Mumbai and Rabada/Nortje will play for Delhi.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

They are not getting paid vacation. Get your facts right. QDk will play for Mumbai and Rabada/Nortje will play for Delhi.

Steve Smith on the other hand will be tanning in Goa I assume

 

[Ab Fan]

You mean they left the Pakistan series for the money.
Please at least get that right.

That means they don't respect Pakistan cricket team. It is absolutely humiliating for a touring team that the main players of the home team have not valued their presence and preferred IPL over international T20 series.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Steve Smith on the other hand will be tanning in Goa I assume

Will get paid as long as he is available for selection. He doesn't have to play to earn that much money. Paid vacation it is.

 

[Titan24]

SA and Klaasen would be eying to win the “2nd world cup” to fill the world cup cabinet which their fans would love as well.

Oh wait, I dont think SA qualified as I dont see them in the table.

 

[IMMY69]

That means they don't respect Pakistan cricket team. It is absolutely humiliating for a touring team that the main players of the home team have not valued their presence and preferred IPL over international T20 series.

It doesn't matter which team it was.

Look you're surely smart enough to know that the amount of money on offer most cricketers (if not all) will go and play the IPL.

Even if I was offered some administrative role with big bucks on offer. I'd probably be there in a heartbeat.
It's called human nature and India is milking it for everything.

Now normally I would go on and say well done to them but truth be told they are acting like their right wing nationalist leader by restricting their players from playing in any other leagues to prevent others countries making money.

You put three or four Indians in the big blast or the Caribbean league and the viewership will go up by at least 100 million...

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

That means they don't respect Pakistan cricket team. It is absolutely humiliating for a touring team that the main players of the home team have not valued their presence and preferred IPL over international T20 series.

That means they don't respect their own country and will prefer easy money. Pakistan have actually won the ODI series and are 1 up in T20 series. Surely the way you are saying it gives an impression that those players were expecting the current South African side to demolish Pakistan but it didn't happen because they decided to go for a vacation in the middle of the series.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The South African players are leaving international duty for IPL because they'd much rather play high quality cricket with Unadkat. and play at the highest level

Yes, they are more interested in playing against the players from India Australia England than Pakistan. Wouldn't fault them for wanting to play with the best players from the top 3 teams.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That means they don't respect Pakistan cricket team. It is absolutely humiliating for a touring team that the main players of the home team have not valued their presence and preferred IPL over international T20 series.

May be because a performance against the best from India Australia England matters more than Pakistan.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Yes, they are more interested in playing against the players from India Australia England than Pakistan. Wouldn't fault them for wanting to play with the best players from the top 3 teams.

South Africa is at 6 and Pakistan is at 4 in T20 Rankings. You are trying to make fun of Pakistan using a team that is ranked at 6. May be that's why their top players ran away for a paid vacation?

 

[TheNightWatchman]

That means they don't respect Pakistan cricket team. It is absolutely humiliating for a touring team that the main players of the home team have not valued their presence and preferred IPL over international T20 series.

You have to be delusional to believe that they didn't leave for the money. If it was Australia touring they would have done the same no doubt about it. It's easy money, you earn more and you don't have to deal with the real pressures of international cricket.

 

[Ab Fan]

May be because a performance against the best from India Australia England matters more than Pakistan.

It seems they preferred performing in IPL over performing in international T20s vs Pakistan.

 

[IMMY69]

If an English T20 league was franchise based and offered 500k up to 2m for six weeks work won't they players be flocking to it and biging it up to be best thing since sliced bread?

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Yes, they are more interested in playing against the players from India Australia England than Pakistan. Wouldn't fault them for wanting to play with the best players from the top 3 teams.

Yes instead of beating a team from the top 4, above them in the rankings, and clearly not worth their time. They figured they were too good for them anyways.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

It seems they preferred performing in IPL over performing in international T20s vs Pakistan.

It seems AB preferred performing in IPL over performing in international T20s ever again. Australia, England and India weren't even worth his time but Chennai superkings certainly were Hmm

 

[Rajdeep]

What I find astonishing is, when likes of Butler says that IPL makes him a better player or Klassen says IPL standard is similar to T20 WC - they only says it for money.

But when likes of Phil Salt or Darren Sami praises PSL - they becomes genuine..Lol

Klassen is totally right in saying IPL standards is almost similar to t20 WC. The reason being, IPL is the only tournament along with T20 World cup where all superstars play together. In all other leagues, there are no seperate windows and neither they can afford all top players together. Likes of Warner/Smith skipped BBL but played in IPL. So the standard of those non-windowed leagues are much lower compared to the daddy league.

As far as bilateral international series is concerned, most of the time top players rest in these JAMT20s. Take the example of ongoing Pak - SA series, even though its international series...its quality is way lower compared to IPL bcoz it consists of sub par SA players who cant make it into the IPL.

The reason IPL can assemble all the top players together which otherwise only happens in T20 world cup, its standard is as high as T20 WC. Not sure why it is so difficult for our Pak fans to understand. Getting all jealous and throwing toys out of prams wont change the reality.

Another logic being thrown, look players only plays IPL for money. I mean everyone knows that and you are not saying anything new. You think players play in PSL bcoz of their love for Pak cricket? Or they would play international cricket without getting paid? LOL

The fact that IPL can spend money to assemble best players from around the world and bring them to play together...its standard automatically goes up to a level where it is only seconded by T20 WC.

Getting all salty wont change the reality.

 

[IMMY69]

What I find astonishing is, when likes of Butler says that IPL makes him a better player or Klassen says IPL standard is similar to T20 WC - they only says it for money.

But when likes of Phil Salt or Darren Sami praises PSL - they becomes genuine..Lol

Klassen is totally right in saying IPL standards is almost similar to t20 WC. The reason being, IPL is the only tournament along with T20 World cup where all superstars play together. In all other leagues, there are no seperate windows and neither they can afford all top players together. Likes of Warner/Smith skipped BBL but played in IPL. So the standard of those non-windowed leagues are much lower compared to the daddy league.

As far as bilateral international series is concerned, most of the time top players rest in these JAMT20s. Take the example of ongoing Pak - SA series, even though its international series...its quality is way lower compared to IPL bcoz it consists of sub par SA players who cant make it into the IPL.

The reason IPL can assemble all the top players together which otherwise only happens in T20 world cup, its standard is as high as T20 WC. Not sure why it is so difficult for our Pak fans to understand. Getting all jealous and throwing toys out of prams wont change the reality.

Another logic being thrown, look players only plays IPL for money. I mean everyone knows that and you are not saying anything new. You think players play in PSL bcoz of their love for Pak cricket? Or they would play international cricket without getting paid? LOL

The fact that IPL can spend money to assemble best players from around the world and bring them to play together...its standard automatically goes up to a level where it is only seconded by T20 WC.

Getting all salty wont change the reality.

So why doesn't the BCCi allow its players to play in other leagues which will allow them to generate the income to pay high salaries?

 

[rhony]

Lol baloney. You think someone like Warner really cares about Hyderabad (or whomever he plays for) winning or losing?

Ofcourse he does. If he doesn't he'll get kicked out like Smith was from RR

 

[Rajdeep]

So why doesn't the BCCi allow its players to play in other leagues which will allow them to generate the income to pay high salaries?

Have you ever heard of Intellectual Property and copyrights? BCCI dont want to dilute its product by killing its golden goose and by allowing its players to participate in other leagues. It will never happen. We may see Pak players participating in IPL soon or Ind-Pak bilateral series but BCCI allowing Indian players to play other leagues would never happen. Its like shooting on your own feet.

 

[Bilal7]

Watched my first IPL match in years today and I was quite underwhelmed. Nothing special about it.