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What become clear in seeing what I saw in Iraq, the secular liberal minority will have to wait a longtime to see Iran return to pre-revolution days. And that is because the ordinary people of Iran want to live with traditional Islamic values and not because the government is imposing these values on them.

Well that’s fine as long as it is their choice. Women can choose the hijab if they want. If they don’t want, that’s fine too.
 
Same reason SA was thrown out of cricket for three decades. “No equal sport with an unequal society.”

Apartheid and Hijab law aren't the same thing. One is point blank racism and another is a dress code.

FIFA is unlikely to ban Iran over this.
 
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Apartheid and Hijab law aren't the same thing. One is point blank racism and another is a dress code.

FIFA is unlikely to ban Iran over this.
Same thing. Who are they say what a person can wear. Also yes fifa will not do anything. Unless this blows up big time which I don’t see happening. The corrupt regime hold all the cars.
 
Over 50,000 gather near Toronto in freedom rally for Iran

By Clarrie Feinstein Staff Reporter
Sat., Oct. 1, 2022
Iranian and Canadian flags fluttered over the masses of protesters in Richmond Hill Saturday afternoon as thousands chanted “Mahsa Amini,” the name of a young Iranian woman who died following her arrest by the country’s morality police. Signs were held high showing her face accompanied by impassioned calls to “say her name.”

The rally north of Toronto was one of 150 across the globe this weekend organized in solidarity with the growing uprising against Iran’s government.

York Regional Police have estimated that more than 50,000 people gathered in Richmond Hill in response to Amini’s detention in September for allegedly wearing her hijab incorrectly and her controversial death.
 
If the US and the rest of the West is too concerned about Hijab then Muslims should protest against them to ban women from wearing short skirts/trousers in public and even bikinis at beaches or pools, because according to us you are degrading a woman.
We have our own code for decency you have yours. Mind your own business!
 
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Yes but I’n the USA or the west women are not protesting against bikinis or shorts. In iran and Afghanistan they are.
 
Yes but I’n the USA or the west women are not protesting against bikinis or shorts. In iran and Afghanistan they are.

Yes, but their media and government do interfere and make it into a global issue and they do encourage and give moral support to women in Iran and Afghanistan through their agencies.

What I mean is we never interfere in their cultural issues like how many women get sexually harassed/abused or how many are single moms, etc etc. So why do they?
 
Yes, but their media and government do interfere and make it into a global issue and they do encourage and give moral support to women in Iran and Afghanistan through their agencies.

What I mean is we never interfere in their cultural issues like how many women get sexually harassed/abused or how many are single moms, etc etc. So why do they?

They want to apply their standards to the entire world. They need to respect other cultures.
 
Yes, but their media and government do interfere and make it into a global issue and they do encourage and give moral support to women in Iran and Afghanistan through their agencies.

What I mean is we never interfere in their cultural issues like how many women get sexually harassed/abused or how many are single moms, etc etc. So why do they?
Have you see where iran, Saudi, afg, pak stand ( ranking) at the gender inequality index?? The protest in iran is organic and local.
 
Have you see where iran, Saudi, afg, pak stand ( ranking) at the gender inequality index?? The protest in iran is organic and local.

Who cares about gender equality index? The index is faulty/biased.

It is faulty because it doesn't take differences of cultures into consideration.

What is considered as woman's right in one place may not be considered as woman's right at another place, for example.
 
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Who cares about gender equality index? The index is faulty/biased.

It is faulty because it doesn't take differences of cultures into consideration.

What is considered as woman's right in one place may not be considered as woman's right at another place, for example.

If you have a problem with people trying to change a local law and culture, then I hope you were not complaining when France banned the burkini. That’s their local law and culture.
 
Have you see where iran, Saudi, afg, pak stand ( ranking) at the gender inequality index?? The protest in iran is organic and local.

Yes, but the gender inequality index has nothing to do with hijab. Iran is under Islamic Law so the public should follow the law as they follow other US and Western laws when they visit or migrate to these countries.

Btw, it's up to the Ulema and the so called OIC to discuss this issue not an un-islamic or western country like the US.
 
That is Incorrect. Human rights are universal.

I respect what u r trying to say, brother! Just imagine... tomorrow women will say we want to pray in mosques along with men. After all we do work together and attend meetings and conferences. I guess some years back a Muslim lady did raised this issue. Then what will we do...
Then they might request to enjoy themselves in discos as they do in western countries.
I know I'm going a bit too far but in Islam there was some limits for women as well as men.
 
If you have a problem with people trying to change a local law and culture, then I hope you were not complaining when France banned the burkini. That’s their local law and culture.

France tried to ban modesty while Iran is trying to preserve modesty. Do not tell me you are anti-modesty.

Keep in mind, I do not agree with Ayatollahs/Iran on everything. I am a Sunni and Ayatollahs are Shias. We have theological differences.

I personally believe this protest was probably instigated by external forces. Iran actually arrested a few European people. Read below:

Iran arrests Europeans accused of role in unrest over Mahsa Amini’s death

Iran, which has blamed “foreign enemies” for protests that swept the country after the death of a woman in morality police custody, said on Friday it had arrested nine European nationals for their role in the unrest.

The detention of citizens of Germany, Poland, Italy, France, the Netherlands, Sweden and other countries is likely to ratchet up tensions between Iran and Western countries over the death of Mahsa Amini.

The escalation comes as more casualties were reported. Nineteen people were killed after security forces fired on armed protesters attacking a police station, said an official.

Tehran has responded to international condemnation of the case by lashing out at its critics, accusing the United States of exploiting the unrest to try to destabilise Iran.

The nine unidentified people were detained “during the riots or while plotting in the background,” the Intelligence Ministry said in a statement carried by Iranian media.

Amini, a 22-year-old from the Iranian Kurdish town of Saqez, was arrested this month in Tehran for “unsuitable attire” by the morality police who enforce the Islamic Republic’s strict dress code for women.

Her death has caused the first big show of opposition on Iran’s streets since authorities crushed protests against a rise in gasoline prices in 2019. The demonstrations have quickly evolved into a popular revolt against the establishment.

Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1712906.
 
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If you have a problem with people trying to change a local law and culture, then I hope you were not complaining when France banned the burkini. That’s their local law and culture.

Rule of the land is case by case for some people. I disagree with france and iran. Just to be consistent
 
France tried to ban modesty while Iran is trying to preserve modesty. Do not tell me you are anti-modesty.

Keep in mind, I do not agree with Ayatollahs/Iran on everything. I am a Sunni and Ayatollahs are Shias. We have theological differences.

I personally believe this protest was probably instigated by external forces. Iran actually arrested a few European people. Read below:



Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1712906.

Modesty depends on what angle you look at.

It’s simple, if you complain about people breaking law or cultural values in one country because the laws and cultural values align with yours, and support those protesting in another because the laws and cultural values do not align with yours, then you are simply a hypocrite.

I believe France was wrong with the burqa and so is Iran. Valuing human freedom and respect shouldn’t be above anything, including your faith and believes.
 
Rule of the land is case by case for some people. I disagree with france and iran. Just to be consistent

Indeed. I share your sentiments. I lived and studied in France and loved it. I really respect their culture and their language and especially their belief in laicite.
 
Indeed. I share your sentiments. I lived and studied in France and loved it. I really respect their culture and their language and especially their belief in laicite.
Great food and wine. However I prefer Spain. Also might be bias as my gf is spainish…..
 
If the US and the rest of the West is too concerned about Hijab then Muslims should protest against them to ban women from wearing short skirts/trousers in public and even bikinis at beaches or pools, because according to us you are degrading a woman.
We have our own code for decency you have yours. Mind your own business!

You should if that US doesn't allow the women to wear anything apart form a bikini/short skirts etc. But that's not the case, is it? The issue isn't the hijab. It is forcing people to wear it, so much so that it's become a symbol of oppression.

Also who is we here? The Iranians or the Muslims? Because the protest are happening in Iran. They originated there and were picked up by Iranians across the world, before the west ever came into the picture. Are you trying to tell the Iranians not to protest in there own land or for their own people, because of your/our (whatever that means) code of decency?
 
Iran protests: riot police clash with students at Sharif university
Unverified social media videos show security forces firing teargas amid reports some students are trapped in campus car park

Iranian security forces have clashed with students at a prominent university in Tehran, social and state media reported, in the latest sign of a deadly clampdown on nationwide protests that were ignited by the death in custody of a young woman.

The anti-government protests, which began at 22-year-old Mahsa Amini’s funeral on 17 September in the Kurdish town of Saqez, have spiralled into the biggest show of opposition to Iran’s authorities in years, with many calling for the end of more than four decades of Islamic clerical rule.

Activist Twitter account 1500tasvir, which has about 160,000 followers, posted several videos showing Sharif University, traditionally a hotbed of dissent, surrounded by dozens of riot police on Sunday.

One of the videos showed security forces firing teargas to drive the students off the campus and the sound of what appeared to be shooting at a distance could be heard.

Another video showed security forces chasing dozens of students trapped in the university’s underground parking. The account said dozens of students had been arrested.

Iranian state media described “reports of clashes” at the university and said the country’s science minister visited the campus to check on the situation.

Reuters could not independently verify the events at the university.

Students had been protesting at numerous universities on Sunday and demonstrations were held in several cities such as Tehran, Yazd, Kermanshah, Sanandaj, Shiraz and Mashhad, with participants chanting “independence, freedom, death to Khamenei,” earlier social media posts showed.

The protests have not abated despite a growing death toll and the crackdown by security forces using teargas, clubs, and in some cases, according to videos on social media and rights groups, live ammunition.

Iran Human Rights, a Norway-based group, in a statement said that “so far 133 people had been killed across Iran“, including more than 40 people it said died in clashes last week in Zahedan, capital of the south-eastern Sistan-Baluchistan province.

Iranian authorities have not given a death toll, while saying many members of the security forces have been killed by “rioters and thugs backed by foreign foes“. Last week state television said 41 had died, including members of the security forces.

Iran’s utmost authority Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has not commented on the nationwide protests, which have spread to Iran’s 31 provinces, with all layers of society, including ethnic and religious minorities, taking part.

Amini’s death and the crackdown have drawn international criticism of Iran’s rulers, who in turn accuse the United States and some European countries of exploiting the unrest to try to destabilise the Islamic Republic.

Iranian state media shared a video of pro-government students, who gathered at the Ferdowsi university in Mashhad, chanting “the Islamic Republic is our red line”.

Earlier on Sunday, Iranian lawmakers chanted “thank you, police” during a parliament session, in a show of support for a crackdown on widespread anti-government protests.

Amini was arrested on 13 September in Tehran for “unsuitable attire” by the morality police who enforce the Islamic Republic’s strict dress code. She died three days later in hospital after falling into a coma.

The lawyer for Amini’s family, Saleh Nikbakht, told the semi-official Etemadonline news website that “respectable doctors” believe she was hit in custody. Amini’s autopsy report and other medical details have not been released, but her father said he saw bruises on her leg and that other women detained with her said she was beaten.

Iran’s police authorities say Amini died of a heart attack and deny she was beaten to death in custody.

The country’s hardline president Ebrahim Raisi has ordered an investigation into Amini’s death. He said last week that a forensic report would be presented in “coming days”.

Amnesty International on Friday reported that hundreds were injured and thousands have been arrested in the protests.

State media said at least 20 people were killed in the Zahedan clashes, blaming a separatist group from the Baluchi minority for starting a shootout in the city.

BBC
 
Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has said the death of Mahsa Amini "deeply broke my heart".

Speaking at a military ceremony on Monday, Mr Khamenei described the 22-year-old woman's death in custody as a "bitter incident".

Ms Amini died after being arrested by Iran's morality police for allegedly breaking the country's strict Islamic dress code. Her family have claimed she was tortured.

'Not ordinary Iranians'

After some of the biggest protests in years broke out as a result, the supreme leader blamed the riots on "the United States and the Zionist regime".

He said they were "planned" by people who are "not ordinary Iranians", adding that the security forces policing them have faced "injustice".

"The duty of our security forces, including police, is to ensure the safety of the Iranian nation. The ones who attack
the police are leaving Iranian citizens defenceless against thugs, robbers and extortionists," he said.

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You should if that US doesn't allow the women to wear anything apart form a bikini/short skirts etc. But that's not the case, is it? The issue isn't the hijab. It is forcing people to wear it, so much so that it's become a symbol of oppression.

Also who is we here? The Iranians or the Muslims? Because the protest are happening in Iran. They originated there and were picked up by Iranians across the world, before the west ever came into the picture. Are you trying to tell the Iranians not to protest in there own land or for their own people, because of your/our (whatever that means) code of decency?

Absolutely enjoy reading your coherent posts, well said.
 
Also who is we here? The Iranians or the Muslims? Because the protest are happening in Iran. They originated there and were picked up by Iranians across the world, before the west ever came into the picture. Are you trying to tell the Iranians not to protest in there own land or for their own people, because of your/our (whatever that means) code of decency?

There are counter-protesters too. Also, are you saying Ayatollahs are not Iranians? They are Iranians too.
 
This protest is getting bigger by the day. Must be worrisome for the regime
 
Like it or not, the 'Left' always wins over the long term of humanity.
 
I think they will not be able to topple the regime. But the regime will fall one day. Sooner than later.
 
I dont agree with using laws to force women to cover their heads, this isnt Islamic.

However this whole uproar is just another Mossad, CIA coloured revolution attack on Iran. The West doesnt care for Iranian women lol. Their evil sanctions prove otherwise.

Its clear on the video the woman suffered some sort of health issue and died. No beating or torture ever took place.

Iran is far too strong, Zionists are rightly worried.
 
A lot of cheerleading from our RSS/BJP posters on here only to attack Muslims again.

Such fools need to realise Hindutva India needs Iran.
 
Zionist again????dude she was beaten to death. Had bruises. The west does not care about women in iran is right. And hope they done interfere.
 
A new video posted online appears to show schoolgirls heckling a member of Iran's feared paramilitary Basij force, after anti-government protests sweeping the country spread to the classroom.

The teenagers wave their headscarves in the air and shout "get lost, Basiji" at the man, who was asked to address them.

The BBC could not verify reports that it was filmed in Shiraz on Tuesday.

The Basij has helped security forces crack down on the protests sparked by the death in custody of a young woman.

Other footage circulated on social media shows a man shouting "death to the dictator" as another group of girls walk through traffic in the north-western city of Sanandaj and an elderly woman clapping as unveiled schoolgirls chant "freedom, freedom, freedom" at a protest on a street.

Iran's Education Minister, Yousef Nouri, on Wednesday accused the "enemy" of targeting schools and universities.

Prosecutor General Mohammad Jafar Montazeri meanwhile said authorities should be prepared to counter the protests by young Iranians, who he claimed had been "trapped" through their exposure to the internet.

As the two men spoke, Iran's Human Rights Activists News Agency (Harana) shared what it said was a video showing uniformed and plainclothes security personnel pushing a group of schoolgirls protesting in the capital Tehran.

In another clip, reportedly filmed in the nearby city of Karaj, schoolgirls are seen screaming and running from a man, thought to be a member of the security forces in plainclothes, who is driving a motorcycle along a pavement.

The unrest was triggered by the death of Mahsa Amini, a 22-year-old woman who fell into a coma hours after being detained by morality police on 13 September in Tehran for allegedly breaking the strict law requiring women to cover their hair with a hijab, or headscarf. She died in hospital three days later.

Her family has alleged that officers beat her head with a baton and banged her head against one of their vehicles. The police have denied that she was mistreated and said she suffered a heart attack.

The first protests took place in north-western Iran, where Ms Amini was from, and then spread rapidly across the country.

Young women have been at the forefront of the unrest, but it was not until Monday that schoolgirls began participating publicly in large numbers.

It came a day after security forces briefly besieged the prestigious Sharif University of Technology in Tehran in response to a protest on the campus. Dozens of students were reportedly beaten, blindfolded and taken away.

Monday also saw the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, break his silence on the unrest and give his full backing to the security forces, which have been accused by human rights groups of killing dozens of people.

On Tuesday, there were reports that the death toll resulting from clashes between security personnel and anti-government protesters in the south-eastern city of Zahedan had risen to 83.

Zahedan is the capital of Sistan Baluchistan province, which borders both Pakistan and Afghanistan, and has a sizeable Sunni Muslim population. Iran is a majority Shia country.

Authorities have said the security forces were attacked by armed Baluchi separatists - something the imam of the city's biggest mosque has denied.

The violence erupted on Friday, when protesters surrounded a police station and officers opened fire.

Tensions in the city had been compounded by the alleged rape of a 15-year-old girl by a police chief elsewhere in Sistan Baluchistan.

In separate development on Wednesday, BBC Persian reported that a death certificate issued by a cemetery for Nika Shakarami, a 16-year-old girl who went missing after joining protests in Tehran on 20 September, stated that she had died after suffering "multiple injuries caused by blows with a hard object".

State media said earlier that the judiciary had opened an investigation into Nika's death and cited an official in the capital as saying that it had nothing to do with the protests. The official said a post-mortem showed she had suffered "multiple fractures... in the pelvis, head, upper and lower limbs, arms and legs, which indicate that the person was thrown from a height".

Her aunt has previously said that in her last message Nika told a friend that she was being chased by police, and that her family found her body in a mortuary at a detention centre 10 days later.

Sources close to the family have told BBC Persian that before they could bury Nika, security forces stole her body and buried it secretly in a village about 40km (25 miles) from her father's hometown of Khorramabad.

BBC
 
What is heartening is that women in burkas (and not taking it off, which I assume is because they want to keep it on) are also protesting against the government.

This proves that even though they want to keep their veils, they believe that others should not be forced to.

I don’t think anyone cared if they keep it on if they wish. It’s the forcing part. Also I would not be surprised if they keep it on to protect identity
 
You should if that US doesn't allow the women to wear anything apart form a bikini/short skirts etc. But that's not the case, is it? The issue isn't the hijab. It is forcing people to wear it, so much so that it's become a symbol of oppression.

Also who is we here? The Iranians or the Muslims? Because the protest are happening in Iran. They originated there and were picked up by Iranians across the world, before the west ever came into the picture. Are you trying to tell the Iranians not to protest in there own land or for their own people, because of your/our (whatever that means) code of decency?

It's common sense, but I think some people don't have capacity to see it.
 
Religion and nationalism distorts your world view.

I don't know if you know Charlie Munger( Partner of Warren Buffett). He is the smartest person I know. His views on this is spot on.

Any kid, while growing up, should be kept far away from extreme views. When brain is developing and if all you have exposure to extreme views then it's very hard to change it when you grow up. Consistency bias is in our gene and it stops us from changing our views even if views may be absurd. We all want to appear consistent, but the same bias works against us here.

I guess, you can't fault person here. Most of us are product of situation around us. Yes, some of can get lucky and will make an effort to understand other side of it. Sign of intelligence is to change opinion after seeking opposite arguments if argument is a good one, but it's hard to do due to consistency bias. Studying psychology may help us be aware and but even then it's hard to counter it.

I research companies to buy. I am aware of incentive bias of management and yet I underestimate the power of incentive when comparing two investment options. Not always, but it happens despite being very aware. It's just hard and that's why I agree with Charlie to avoid exposure to extreme views for kids. The best gift you can give them.
 
When I said capacity, I didn't mean they are not smart. I meant , based on their exposure level they may hold some belief deeply and that makes them incapable of thinking rationally.
 
Relatives of a girl who died during protests in Iran have been forced into making false statements, a source close to the family has told BBC Persian.

Nika Shakarami, 16, went missing in Tehran on 20 September after telling a friend she was being chased by police.

On Wednesday night, a state TV report showed her aunt, Atash, saying: "Nika was killed falling from a building."

Her uncle was also seen on TV speaking against the unrest, as someone seems to whisper to him: "Say it, you scumbag!"

The source told BBC Persian that these were both "forced confessions" that came "after intense interrogations and being threatened that other family members would be killed".

Atash and Nika's uncle, Mohsen, were detained by authorities after Atash posted messages online about her niece's death and spoke to the media. The televised statements were recorded before they were released, according to the source.

Atash told BBC Persian prior to her arrest on Sunday that the Revolutionary Guards had told her that Nika was in their custody for five days and then handed over to prison authorities.

The judiciary has said that on the night she disappeared Nika went into a building where eight constructions workers were present, and that she was found dead in the yard outside the next morning.

Tehran judiciary official Mohammad Shahriari was cited by state media as saying on Wednesday that a post-mortem showed Nika suffered "multiple fractures... in the pelvis, head, upper and lower limbs, arms and legs, which indicate that the person was thrown from a height".

He declared that this proved her death was nothing to do with the protests.

However, a death certificate issued by a cemetery in the capital, which was obtained by BBC Persian, states that she died after suffering "multiple injuries caused by blows with a hard object".

Nika's Instagram and Telegram accounts were also deleted after she went missing, according to Atash. Iranian security forces are known to demand that detainees give them access to the social media accounts so that the accounts or certain posts can be deleted.

Wednesday night's state TV report also featured footage in which Atash was seen confirming that her niece's body was found outside the building mentioned by the judiciary, even though that contradicted previous statements made by her and other members of the family.

The family have said they located Nika's body at the mortuary of a detention centre 10 days after she went missing, and that they were only allowed by officials to see her face for a few seconds in order to identify her. Atash said before she was detained that she did not go to the mortuary.

Nika's family transferred her body to her father's hometown of Khorramabad, in the west of the country, on Sunday - on what would have been her 17th birthday.

A source close to them told BBC Persian that the family agreed, under duress from authorities, not to hold a public funeral. But, the source said, security forces then "stole" Nika's body from Khorramabad and secretly buried it in the village of Veysian, about 40km (25 miles) away.

Hundreds of protesters later gathered in Khorramabad's cemetery and chanted slogans against the government, including "death to the dictator" - a reference to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei.

Nika is not the only young female protester to have been killed during the unrest that erupted last month following the death of Mahsa Amini, a 22-year-old woman who was detained by the morality police for allegedly violating the Islamic Republic's strict hijab law.

The family of Hadis Najafi, 22, have said that she was shot dead by security forces while protesting in the city of Karaj, west of Tehran, on 21 September. Officials allegedly asked her father to say that she died of a heart attack.

Another 16-year-old girl, Sarina Esmailzadeh, died after being severely beaten on the head with batons by security forces during protests in Karaj on 23 September, Amnesty International cited a source as saying. The source also told the human rights group that security and intelligence agents had harassed the girl's family to coerce them into silence.

Several videos made by Sarina before her death have now been posted on social media. In one recorded after finishing some school exams, she says: "Nothing feels better than freedom."

BBC
 
I don't know if you know Charlie Munger( Partner of Warren Buffett). He is the smartest person I know. His views on this is spot on.

Any kid, while growing up, should be kept far away from extreme views. When brain is developing and if all you have exposure to extreme views then it's very hard to change it when you grow up. Consistency bias is in our gene and it stops us from changing our views even if views may be absurd. We all want to appear consistent, but the same bias works against us here.

I guess, you can't fault person here. Most of us are product of situation around us. Yes, some of can get lucky and will make an effort to understand other side of it. Sign of intelligence is to change opinion after seeking opposite arguments if argument is a good one, but it's hard to do due to consistency bias. Studying psychology may help us be aware and but even then it's hard to counter it.

I research companies to buy. I am aware of incentive bias of management and yet I underestimate the power of incentive when comparing two investment options. Not always, but it happens despite being very aware. It's just hard and that's why I agree with Charlie to avoid exposure to extreme views for kids. The best gift you can give them.

You are giving way too much credit to human mind. It is one of the most flexible and gullible. More than the consistency bias, human mind is more succeptibke to recency bias. We tend to give more weightage to our environment and situations that have occured in the recent past. This is precisely why propaganda works. This is exactly why great leaders can transform people or nations for good or bad in just a few years.
 
People shouldn't mix religion with what is going in Iran.
It's not Islam that is ruling Iran.

I wish the people of Iran freedom from the tyrannical rulers who have raped the country
 
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People should mix religion with what is going in Iran.
It's not Islam that is ruling Iran.

I wish the people of Iran freedom from the tyrannical rulers who have raped the country

Raped the country in what way?

They haven't stolen any resources.
 
Raped the country in what way?

They haven't stolen any resources.

It's a known secret

Just like the Taliban have their properties in Qatar, the Iranian Mullahs, politicians etc have their properties in the top areas of London.

They suppress the poor in the name of Islam whilst their children reap the rewards in the west.
 
It's a known secret

Just like the Taliban have their properties in Qatar, the Iranian Mullahs, politicians etc have their properties in the top areas of London.

They suppress the poor in the name of Islam whilst their children reap the rewards in the west.

Nah yaar!

I find that hard to believe.

Any links?
 
Nah yaar!

I find that hard to believe.

Any links?

I know a very large Iranian community here in London..
Also many Iranians who are currently living there.

I also know people who did business with Iran prior to the sanctions...
It's all becomes obvious when you do business with the country
 
I know a very large Iranian community here in London..
Also many Iranians who are currently living there.

I also know people who did business with Iran prior to the sanctions...
It's all becomes obvious when you do business with the country

I am not doubting you, but from my own experiences with the Iranian diaspora they are a very bitter bunch.

I will therefore refrain from making a conclusion on the regime.

Perhaps the "government" is shady at times but I am sure that the Mullahs are clean.
 
I am not doubting you, but from my own experiences with the Iranian diaspora they are a very bitter bunch.

I will therefore refrain from making a conclusion on the regime.

Perhaps the "government" is shady at times but I am sure that the Mullahs are clean.

I have no doubt whatsoever that the Mullah's are as corrupt or even more corrupt as they decide who actually comes into government in the first place.

But of course you have your own views..we'll have to agree to disagree on this one
 
"Must Not Be Stemmed": Priyanka Chopra On Anti-Hijab Protests In Iran
thousands of Iranians have taken to the streets over the last two weeks to protest the death of Mahsa Amini for wearing her Hijab improperly.

Tehran: Amid the ongoing turmoil in Iran, actor Priyanka Chopra has come out in support of Iranian women who have been protesting over the death of Mahsa Amini.
Mahsa Amini was arrested on September 13 as she was leaving a Tehran metro station with her brother and other relatives. She was arrested for allegedly breaching Iran's strict rules for women on wearing hijab headscarves and modest clothing. Mahsa was in a coma for three days, then died "of natural causes," as the authorities claimed, but according to activists, the cause of her death was a fatal blow to the head.

After the incident, thousands of Iranians have taken to the streets over the last two weeks to protest the death of Mahsa Amini. Women around the globe have shown solidarity with Iranian women's plight in rallies and demonstrations by cutting or shaving their hair in public or while being filmed.

Like many other women, Priyanka Chopra has also extended her support on social media.

Taking to Instagram, she wrote, "Women in Iran and around the world are standing up and raising their voices, publicly cutting their hair and many other forms of protest for Mahsa Amini, whose young life was taken away so brutally by the Iranian Morality Police for wearing her hijab 'improperly'. The voices that speak after ages of forced silence, will rightfully burst like a volcano! And they will not and MUST not be stemmed."

She added, "I am in awe of your courage and your purpose. It is not easy to risk your life, literally, to challenge the patriarchal establishment and fight for your rights. But, you are courageous women doing this every day regardless of the cost to yourselves."

Priyanka urged the authorities and people in power to hear the protestors' call and understand their issues.

"To ensure that this movement will have a lasting effect, we must hear their call, understand the issues and then join in with our collective voices. We must also get everyone who can influence others to join as well. Numbers matter. Add your voice to this critical movement. Stay informed and be vocal, so these voices can no longer be forced to stay silent. I stand with you. Jin, jiyan , azaadi... Women, life, freedom," she added.

Prior to Priyanka, Elnaaz Norouzi has also shown her support for Iranian women.

NDTV
 
Nothing will happen in Iran, the vast majority are supportive of the post-revolution agenda. How do you think the world’s most sanctioned country has been able to survive without the inherent support of the public?

The average iranian also knows that the West gives as much important to their human rights as it does to the human rights of Afghan! They are a nation with an extensive history and they remembers very well the mischief created by the Western for the sake of their oil reserves.

This current issue will go the way of the Green Movement, which was also presented in the media is the start of the end of post-revolution Iran. It fizzled out in a matter of weeks.

There is a broader global game being played out. The emergence of China Russian alliance which will absorb Iran and other nations which do not toe the Western agenda. Russia and China are permanent members of the UN Security Council and on a combined basis represent a significant share of the global GDP. Iran is no longer as isolated (owing to sanction) as the Western nations would wish. That is why Iran is not desperate to reach another Nuclear agreement with the US and EU.

Iran has become a regional power with significant influence in Iraq, Lebanon and Syria. Iran is an important powerful and influential nation which has an important role to play in a rapidly changing world.
 
The mother of a teenage girl who died during protests in Iran has accused authorities of murdering her daughter.

In a video sent to US-funded Radio Farda, Nasrin Shakarami said she had seen injuries on her daughter's body which contradict an official statement.

Authorities say Nika Shakarami, 16, appears to have been thrown from a building, possibly by workmen.

Meanwhile, an official forensic report has said a woman whose death sparked the protests died from ill health.

The family of Mahsa Amini, a 22-year-old Iranian Kurd, say she died as a result of being beaten by morality police.

She was detained on 13 September in Tehran for allegedly breaking the strict law requiring women to cover their hair with a hijab, or headscarf.

BBC
 
The mother of a teenage girl who died during protests in Iran has accused authorities of murdering her daughter.

In a video sent to US-funded Radio Farda, Nasrin Shakarami said she had seen injuries on her daughter's body which contradict an official statement.

Authorities say Nika Shakarami, 16, appears to have been thrown from a building, possibly by workmen.

Meanwhile, an official forensic report has said a woman whose death sparked the protests died from ill health.

The family of Mahsa Amini, a 22-year-old Iranian Kurd, say she died as a result of being beaten by morality police.

She was detained on 13 September in Tehran for allegedly breaking the strict law requiring women to cover their hair with a hijab, or headscarf.

BBC

Wooow. Thrown from a building. that's harsh
 
Female students in Tehran chanted "get lost", according to activists, as Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi visited their university campus on Saturday and condemned protesters enraged by the death of a young woman in custody.

As nationwide demonstrations that have rocked Iran entered a fourth week, Raisi addressed professors and students at Alzahra University in Tehran, reciting a poem that equated "rioters" with flies.
 
Female students in Tehran chanted "get lost", according to activists, as Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi visited their university campus on Saturday and condemned protesters enraged by the death of a young woman in custody.

As nationwide demonstrations that have rocked Iran entered a fourth week, Raisi addressed professors and students at Alzahra University in Tehran, reciting a poem that equated "rioters" with flies.

They are still protesting. Wow!

Do they not have jobs or studies? How can they do this for four weeks?
 
They are not like slaves.

Most of these protesters seem to be radical "mera jism mera marzi" type of people.

Whereas you are more a "tera jism mera marzi" type of guy.

Jobs and studies? Some have given up their lives for their cause literally. What are jobs and studies when one coupd be on the precipice of making history. Good luck to them.
 
Whereas you are more a "tera jism mera marzi" type of guy.

Jobs and studies? Some have given up their lives for their cause literally. What are jobs and studies when one coupd be on the precipice of making history. Good luck to them.

I suspect majority of these protesters are either bad students with poor GPAs or just jobless bums.

In other words, they are unproductive anarchists.

Also, I don't think there will be any history making. This is just pointless disturbance.
 
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I suspect majority of these protesters are either bad students with poor GPAs or just jobless bums.

In other words, they are unproductive anarchists.

Also, I don't think there will be any history making. This is just pointless disturbance.
Now have u been talking to their principals? Dude u never miss an opportunity to degradar women
 
Most of these protestors are kurdish

What happened to that girl was wrong but kurdish seperatists have hijacked the protest
 
Most of these protestors are kurdish

What happened to that girl was wrong but kurdish seperatists have hijacked the protest

Bingo!

Kurds cause problems in Syria, Turkey, and Iraq too. Saddam even had to go for gas attack. I am not defending Saddam's action but there seems to be an issue with Kurds.

Turkey has been fighting PKK Kurdish terrorists for years.
 
Most of these protestors are kurdish

What happened to that girl was wrong but kurdish seperatists have hijacked the protest

That is simply not true, these protests have been taken by all sorts of Iranians from many different backgrounds.

But above all it’s the young people who have had enough because they don’t want to live under a repressive religious regime.

It’s easy for Pakistanis especially those living abroad in the west to point at Iranians for having the courage to go on the streets to fight for some basic freedom but I wonder how many would want to live under such a backward regime ?
Probably not one of you, so spare the outrage on Iranians wanting some freedom.
 
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That is simply not true, these protests have been taken by all sorts of Iranians from many different backgrounds.

But above all it’s the young people who have had enough because they don’t want to live under a repressive religious regime.

It’s easy for Pakistanis especially those living abroad in the west to point at Iranians for having the courage to go on the streets to fight for some basic freedom but I wonder how many would want to live under such a backward regime ?
Probably not one of you, so spare the outrage on Iranians wanting some freedom.

No offence, but who are you to tell us what Iranians want?
 
No offence, but who are you to tell us what Iranians want?

None taken but have you ever spoken with an Iranian ?

Have you read the history of even recent Iran ?

When Iranians protested the Shah regime it was done by all backgrounds and certainly wasn’t started by the religious mullahs that hijacked the movement to impose thier will.

You are right on one aspect, we don’t know what all Iranians want because a religious theocracy is in place with little freedom just like we don’t know what all Saudis want in their country.

But by listening to so many Iranians you can gage a picture that they don’t want to live under a religious oppressive regime. Just find it so weird many especially Pakistanis living in secular western countries defending or shrugging their shoulders against people protesting such a government when they themselves would live under such conditions imposed on them.
 
Iran's state-run broadcaster was apparently hacked on air Saturday, with a news bulletin interrupted by a protest against the country's leader.

A mask appeared on the screen, followed by an image of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei with flames around him.

The group called itself "Adalat Ali", or Ali's Justice.

It comes after at least three people were shot dead when protesters clashed with security forces in new unrest over the death of Mahsa Amini.

Ms Amini was detained in Tehran by morality police for allegedly not covering her hair properly. The 22-year-old Iranian Kurd died in custody on 16 September, three days after her arrest.

Her death has sparked an unprecedented wave of protest across the country.

BBC
 
None taken but have you ever spoken with an Iranian ?

Have you read the history of even recent Iran ?

When Iranians protested the Shah regime it was done by all backgrounds and certainly wasn’t started by the religious mullahs that hijacked the movement to impose thier will.

You are right on one aspect, we don’t know what all Iranians want because a religious theocracy is in place with little freedom just like we don’t know what all Saudis want in their country.

But by listening to so many Iranians you can gage a picture that they don’t want to live under a religious oppressive regime. Just find it so weird many especially Pakistanis living in secular western countries defending or shrugging their shoulders against people protesting such a government when they themselves would live under such conditions imposed on them.

I have spoken to Iranians (or Persians as they like to call themselves) but by nature those tend to be ex-pats who left Iran because it was a religious theocracy, that doesn't really tell us about the people who are atually in Iran. I don't know why you are talking about Pakistanis living in a secular country, I am a Brit, and this has nothing to do with Pakistan.
 
I have spoken to Iranians (or Persians as they like to call themselves) but by nature those tend to be ex-pats who left Iran because it was a religious theocracy, that doesn't really tell us about the people who are atually in Iran. I don't know why you are talking about Pakistanis living in a secular country, I am a Brit, and this has nothing to do with Pakistan.

I agree. Expat Iranians represent a small percentage.

There have been counter-protesters who have shown support for Iranian regime. That shows that not everyone is against the status quo.

Iran seems divided; there seems to be two camps there (one group wants secularism and another group is okay with status quo).
 
I have spoken to Iranians (or Persians as they like to call themselves) but by nature those tend to be ex-pats who left Iran because it was a religious theocracy, that doesn't really tell us about the people who are atually in Iran. I don't know why you are talking about Pakistanis living in a secular country, I am a Brit, and this has nothing to do with Pakistan.

The vast majority of Iranians live in fear but hopefully, if not this time, then sometime in the near future there will be another revolution that takes down these religious leaders.
 
Nothing will happen in Iran, the vast majority are supportive of the post-revolution agenda. How do you think the world’s most sanctioned country has been able to survive without the inherent support of the public?

The average iranian also knows that the West gives as much important to their human rights as it does to the human rights of Afghan! They are a nation with an extensive history and they remembers very well the mischief created by the Western for the sake of their oil reserves.

This current issue will go the way of the Green Movement, which was also presented in the media is the start of the end of post-revolution Iran. It fizzled out in a matter of weeks.

There is a broader global game being played out. The emergence of China Russian alliance which will absorb Iran and other nations which do not toe the Western agenda. Russia and China are permanent members of the UN Security Council and on a combined basis represent a significant share of the global GDP. Iran is no longer as isolated (owing to sanction) as the Western nations would wish. That is why Iran is not desperate to reach another Nuclear agreement with the US and EU.

Iran has become a regional power with significant influence in Iraq, Lebanon and Syria. Iran is an important powerful and influential nation which has an important role to play in a rapidly changing world.


To quote Hazarath Ali:

A society can survive without religion but not without justice
 
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