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The Jasprit Bumrah workload myth: Is opting out of the 2nd Test against England justified?

Nikhil_cric said:
If Bumrah needs those kinds of breaks for him to deliver at his best then so be it . I don't see what the issue is
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Bumrah delivering is more important than India winning? How would India fans feel if they lose a few matches that Bumrah did not play in, and it costs them the series?

I find it interesting that Indian fans have no problem with Bumrah being a complete sissy. I guess if they don’t have problems then maybe others shouldn’t have a problem either, as long as the narrative that Bumrah is the GOAT isn’t forced on others.
 
Mamoon said:
Bumrah delivering is more important than India winning? How would India fans feel if they lose a few matches that Bumrah did not play in, and it costs them the series?

I find it interesting that Indian fans have no problem with Bumrah being a complete sissy. I guess if they don’t have problems then maybe others shouldn’t have a problem either, as long as the narrative that Bumrah is the GOAT isn’t forced on others.
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Nobody is forcing the narrative ls on you or others. You are free to create your own counter narratives as you've been doing.

It does no one any favours if Bumrah is not at his best and is bowling long spells and is ineffective.

With his lack of a proper run up and action, it was never going to be a long career. It's about maximizing his best whenever we can.
 
Mamoon said:
Bumrah delivering is more important than India winning? How would India fans feel if they lose a few matches that Bumrah did not play in, and it costs them the series?

I find it interesting that Indian fans have no problem with Bumrah being a complete sissy. I guess if they don’t have problems then maybe others shouldn’t have a problem either, as long as the narrative that Bumrah is the GOAT isn’t forced on others.
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Bumrah fitness is more important for longer runs. We have seen how Shaheen become trundler and garbage bowlers since his workload not properly managed after the Injury .

Bumrah choose to play for india rather than choosing the leagues like other players .or he simply can retire from test cricket due to fitness , No one raised questions about it . But rather than retiring, he will play more test cricket but at the same time managing his Work loads which is far important for Indian cricket. We can win the match without Bumrah and already won the champion trophy ,Gabba test etc.

Pakistan fans hurting or showing jealously with Bumrah because he leaves all the Pakistan Pacers Behind him , This is main point why you or others poster crying about it .

:kp
 
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Devadwal said:
Bumrah fitness is more important for longer runs. We have seen how Shaheen become trundler and garbage bowlers since his workload not properly managed after the Injury .

Bumrah choose to play for india rather than choosing the leagues like other players .or he simply can retire from test cricket due to fitness , No one raised questions about it . But rather than retiring, he will play more test cricket but at the same time managing his Work loads which is far important for Indian cricket. We can win the match without Bumrah and already won the champion trophy ,Gabba test etc.

Pakistan fans hurting or showing jealously with Bumrah because he leaves all the Pakistan Pacers Behind him , This is main point why you or others poster crying about it . Direct bol ni sakte ye bat to Bumrah ko undermine karne ke liye nonsense thread open kar sakte hai bus.

:kp
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India with “GOAT” Bumrah got hammered in the first Test with England chasing 370+ without breaking a sweat.

India without “GOAT” Bumrah is all over England.

This Test has been a PR disaster for Bumrah. First he chickened out. Second, the narrative that he is carrying India on his shoulders and is a one man army has been blown to pieces.

Maybe Gambhir should ask him to go home now and wrap himself in cotton wool. He doesn’t deserve to be in the XI for the Lord’s Test.
 
Mamoon said:
India with “GOAT” Bumrah got hammered in the first Test with England chasing 370+ without breaking a sweat.

India without “GOAT” Bumrah is all over England.

This Test has been a PR disaster for Bumrah. First he chickened out. Second, the narrative that he is carrying India on his shoulders and is a one man army has been blown to pieces.

Maybe Gambhir should ask him to go home now and wrap himself in cotton wool. He doesn’t deserve to be in the XI for the Lord’s Test.
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GOAT Bumrah won back to back series in australia which is dream for Pakistan Pacers

GOAT Bumrah won the multiple test in South Africa ( 3) ,which is dream for Pakistan Pacers

GOAT Bumrah is AVG below 20 , which is dream for Pakistani Pacers

This test is great for india because without Bumrah our bowlers are performing well and busted the myt of Pakistan posters ( Including kanglu and wannabe) that without Bumrah india can't perform well .

He will come back with full fitness for the third test. This is the icing on the cake for india.

:kp
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Nobody is forcing the narrative ls on you or others. You are free to create your own counter narratives as you've been doing.

It does no one any favours if Bumrah is not at his best and is bowling long spells and is ineffective.

With his lack of a proper run up and action, it was never going to be a long career. It's about maximizing his best whenever we can.
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Then he should be prioritising India over the IPL, it doesn’t seem like the ‘rest’ was planned either.

Yes he has a weird action, but he’s not putting his body under Shaun Tait loads and he didn’t ask for any rest, and that cost him.

But India manage Bumrah quiet well generally, sitting out after just one Test match is pretty nuts though.
 
I wonder what the career of someone like Shoaib could have been with modern workload management.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I wonder what the career of someone like Shoaib could have been with modern workload management.
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Shoaib had natural workload management having missed more Tests than he played in his career. How much more could you control his workload ?
 
Hellion said:
Shoaib had natural workload management having missed more Tests than he played in his career. How much more could you control his workload ?
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He played similar amounts of tests as Bumrah has at same age. Majority of his tests in Asia....and a lot more ODI than Bumrah.
 
shaz619 said:
Then he should be prioritising India over the IPL, it doesn’t seem like the ‘rest’ was planned either.

Yes he has a weird action, but he’s not putting his body under Shaun Tait loads and he didn’t ask for any rest, and that cost him.

But India manage Bumrah quiet well generally, sitting out after just one Test match is pretty nuts though.
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Tait played 3 Tests, retired from ODI's at the age 28 and played only 35 ODIs anyway.

Very few T20Is as well.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
He played similar amounts of tests as Bumrah has at same age. Majority of his tests in Asia....and a lot more ODI than Bumrah.
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Around 40 more ODIs. But Bumrah has played 69 more T20Is at a similar age.

Besides , my question was , regardless of Bumrah, where do you think Akhtar should have cut his workload?
 
Devadwal said:
Bumrah fitness is more important for longer runs. We have seen how Shaheen become trundler and garbage bowlers since his workload not properly managed after the Injury .

Bumrah choose to play for india rather than choosing the leagues like other players .or he simply can retire from test cricket due to fitness , No one raised questions about it . But rather than retiring, he will play more test cricket but at the same time managing his Work loads which is far important for Indian cricket. We can win the match without Bumrah and already won the champion trophy ,Gabba test etc.

Pakistan fans hurting or showing jealously with Bumrah because he leaves all the Pakistan Pacers Behind him , This is main point why you or others poster crying about it . Direct bol ni sakte ye bat to Bumrah ko undermine karne ke liye nonsense thread open kar sakte hai bus.

:kp
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So, open one in your forum??! Why come here like rats
 
Ab Fan said:
Good job on protecting Bumrah from this terrible pitch. Test Cricket should not be played on such pitches. :inti
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This looks a very sensible comment. Even I was overthinking a bit... You cannot blindly play on these pitches toiling your body (bowlers)... If India win this match it will be a masterstroke (resting Bumrah and confusing English management)...

Anyhow England have done a good job in improving the confidence of our young Indian Batsmen (to flourish in Test Cricket)
 
India Declare After Dominant Show, Set England Mammoth 608-Run Target – All Without Bumrah

India declared their second innings at 427/6 on Day 4 of the Edgbaston Test, handing England a record 608-run mountain to climb. Shubman Gill dazzled with a majestic 161 off 162 balls, and Rishabh Pant’s explosive 65 kept the momentum high, while Ravindra Jadeja anchored the innings with an unbeaten 69. The hosts were battered across 83 overs as India scored at over five an over, crushing England’s hopes before they could breathe.

And they did it all without Jasprit Bumrah. Left out of the XI, his absence sparked noise that India would crumble. Instead, the Indian unit delivered a ruthless shut-up call, bossing the game with bat and ball. Siraj struck early to remove Crawley for a duck, leaving England 11/1 at stumps. With 597 more runs needed and no Bumrah to bail them out, England are staring down a defeat authored by a team silencing doubters with every over.
 
So the sissy will probably want to play at Lord’s to get his name on the Honor’s board, but the question is, do any of the bowlers deserve to be dropped after this performance?

They bowled their heart out and won India the Test. Does India need to disrupt its winning combination because one particular player keeps walking in and out of the team whenever he desires?

I think Gambhir and Gill should put their foot down and not pick Bumrah for the remaining three Tests. That will either push Bumrah to retire from Tests or to give up this nonsense of walking in and out of the XI.

Both situations would be good for Indian cricket because the current model is not sustainable.
 
shaz619 said:
Then he should be prioritising India over the IPL, it doesn’t seem like the ‘rest’ was planned either.

Yes he has a weird action, but he’s not putting his body under Shaun Tait loads and he didn’t ask for any rest, and that cost him.

But India manage Bumrah quiet well generally, sitting out after just one Test match is pretty nuts though.
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You must be kidding. MI is his primary employer. BCCI is a second job for him. I am sure MI does not want him to do any activity that will cause injury. BCCI has obliged.
 
Mamoon said:
So the sissy will probably want to play at Lord’s to get his name on the Honor’s board, but the question is, do any of the bowlers deserve to be dropped after this performance?

They bowled their heart out and won India the Test. Does India need to disrupt its winning combination because one particular player keeps walking in and out of the team whenever he desires?

I think Gambhir and Gill should put their foot down and not pick Bumrah for the remaining three Tests. That will either push Bumrah to retire from Tests or to give up this nonsense of walking in and out of the XI.

Both situations would be good for Indian cricket because the current model is not sustainable.
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Don't take to much stress 😉 . Earlier Pakistan Posters used to say india can't win without Bumrah but we have won the champion trophy and now a test in england without Bumrah. ( Don't forget we breached the fortress gabba without Bumrah and some unknown bowler's) . This is only Indian cricket team can do in World cricket.

Bumrah will play whenever he wants to play for india. For lord's test he will be fresh and can demolish the arrogant English team and wannabe supporter like you.

I know it Hard for you to digest the Indian cricket team success but you can't do anything expect crying and meltdown .

For next test - Bumrah, Akashdeep, Siraj ( or Arsdeep if Siraj needs the rest) .

This is way better attacks than England although they included Atkinson and probably Archer as well.

Bring it on :kp
 
I am glad we are managing the workload of our bowlers well for a change and management has a clear plan around which player to use when.

Siraj probably will rest next match for his workload and then prasidh in last 2.

Too often our bowlers get injured or lose steam towards ends of a series.

Also funny this complain is coming from fans of a team who have blamed workload for destroying careers of their own fast bowlers.
 
I think this is a good thing to rotate fast bowlers (especially on these flatter pitches)... Let's utilize all the fast bowlers... I think Bumrah, Siraj & Akash Deep should play in Lords Test (a crucial test - both in terms of going up in the series & the significance of venue!) Akash Deep should open the bowling (give him that honor for the way he bowled & for the way he became decisive in improving the quality of Indian bowling in the absence Bumrah). Bumrah can be his partner with the new ball, Siraj can step down (to manage Siraj's workload) OR Siraj can continue with new ball and let Bumrah go easy with this match...

If India win this match (and if it is already decided that Bumrah misses 4th test), Siraj will be again required for 4th test... So it can be considered to rest Siraj for Lord's test and play with Bumrah, Akash Deep & Prasidh (who knows Prasidh may step up this time). But I think India will go with Bumrah, Siraj & Akash Deep for this significant test... Both Siraj & Bumrah can be rested for the last match if it is a dead rubber... (though winning both the upcoming mathces is going to be tough!)

If any pitch offers some movement (some grass - if England decide to think differently) then Arshdeep can also be brought...
 
Mamoon said:
So the sissy will probably want to play at Lord’s to get his name on the Honor’s board, but the question is, do any of the bowlers deserve to be dropped after this performance?

They bowled their heart out and won India the Test. Does India need to disrupt its winning combination because one particular player keeps walking in and out of the team whenever he desires?

I think Gambhir and Gill should put their foot down and not pick Bumrah for the remaining three Tests. That will either push Bumrah to retire from Tests or to give up this nonsense of walking in and out of the XI.

Both situations would be good for Indian cricket because the current model is not sustainable.
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Yeah Man Prasiddh Krishna really bowled his heart out. Not to mention his valuable scoring down under that saved India from a tight spot.
Would be sad to see him go.
 
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This Test was a PR disaster for Bumrah.

It was already embarrassing enough to take a rest after playing 1 Test in 4 months, India also ended up winning without him, putting an end to the narrative that Bumrah has been carrying the Indian team on his shoulders.

The savior gimmick is now over, and Bumrah would look rather silly walking back into the team for the next Test, and it will be even more embarrassing if India lose that Test.

It will add fuel to the narrative that India bowl better without him, and Gambhir-Gill will be under pressure to drop him for the 4th Test regardless of whether he would want to play or not.
 
Mamoon said:
This Test was a PR disaster for Bumrah.

It was already embarrassing enough to take a rest after playing 1 Test in 4 months, India also ended up winning without him, putting an end to the narrative that Bumrah has been carrying the Indian team on his shoulders.

The savior gimmick is now over, and Bumrah would look rather silly walking back into the team for the next Test, and it will be even more embarrassing if India lose that Test.

It will add fuel to the narrative that India bowl better without him, and Gambhir-Gill will be under pressure to drop him for the 4th Test regardless of whether he would want to play or not.
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You underestimate India, Indian cricket and fans. So far, Bumrah hasn't shown himself to be a primadonna like Kohli did at different points especially when it came to his wife. If it becomes evident that Bumrah thinks he's bigger than the team, he will be brought crashing down to earth. It's not just limited to cricket. It's a cultural thing that has also happened in politics and cinema.

Now why Bumrah didn't play and whether it was an individual decision is only open to speculation at this point.

But there's one recurring reality with Indian cricket for a while now - the team with relative noobs punches way above its expected weight. It's done this multiple times. When Kohli walked away after a disastrous 1st test vs Australia they came back in epic fashion under Rahane. They lost all their main bowlers and still went on to win at the Gabba. There is also similar history in the past that I can't quite remember, but I know for sure it's happened before too.
 
Mamoon said:
This Test was a PR disaster for Bumrah.

It was already embarrassing enough to take a rest after playing 1 Test in 4 months, India also ended up winning without him, putting an end to the narrative that Bumrah has been carrying the Indian team on his shoulders.

The savior gimmick is now over, and Bumrah would look rather silly walking back into the team for the next Test, and it will be even more embarrassing if India lose that Test.

It will add fuel to the narrative that India bowl better without him, and Gambhir-Gill will be under pressure to drop him for the 4th Test regardless of whether he would want to play or not.
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This test is humiliation for you and others who undermine Bumrah. Troll like you'll comes and goes but doesn't impacts anything. Lol 😉🤣 :kp
 
Bumrah will return for the third test, take wickets and then rest again in the 4th test.

His performance in the Lords test will be enough to silence all the idiotic noises in the background
 
It will be hilarious if India win all Tests without Bumrah and lose with him. That will prove that Indian cricket culture, individual performances take priority over winning matches.

If India lose at Lord’s, it should be the end for Bumrah in this series.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Bumrah will return for the third test, take wickets and then rest again in the 4th test.

His performance in the Lords test will be enough to silence all the idiotic noises in the background
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Lol try silencing me. Name one person who ever succeeding in vanquishing me?

I have owned waves and waves of indians on a repeat basis. Silence Kar Kei to Dekho :vk2
 
I still maintain my statement that Shaheen at his best is superior to Bhumrah. Bhumrah is lucky he has better backing. If he played for Pak he would have 20 test wickets at most.
 
Who knows - maybe Bumrah was dropped. Indian bowlers bowled much better as a unit. And the real unsung hero Siraj again leads the attack to a crucial away victory. How many times has he done this. Indians still show no appreciation
 
TheSultan said:
Who knows - maybe Bumrah was dropped. Indian bowlers bowled much better as a unit. And the real unsung hero Siraj again leads the attack to a crucial away victory. How many times has he done this. Indians still show no appreciation
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Good point I did not think of it. Bhumrah was likely dropped after choking in the second innings of the first test.
 
TheSultan said:
Who knows - maybe Bumrah was dropped. Indian bowlers bowled much better as a unit. And the real unsung hero Siraj again leads the attack to a crucial away victory. How many times has he done this. Indians still show no appreciation
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Yes finally a Pakistani fan got it right. No wonder ........ Nvm :kp
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Minnow basher Bhumrah might be dropped for Lords as well :viru
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We are not talking about Pakistan bowler like Wasim, Waqar but Bumrah who mostly Play against top team . He is better than any Pakistani bowler in history of cricket. :kp
 
Lords should be green seaming pitch like we saw in WTC final. Perfect opportunity for Bumrah to come back and produce a 10 wicket show and cement his place as the greatest fast bowler ever from Asia
 
NishanKonar said:
Lords should be green seaming pitch like we saw in WTC final. Perfect opportunity for Bumrah to come back and produce a 10 wicket show and cement his place as the greatest fast bowler ever from Asia
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I don't agree with this sentiment. He should t need a green mamba to succeed.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I don't agree with this sentiment. He should t need a green mamba to succeed.
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He took a 5 wicket haul in 1st innings at Leeds on a flat pitch. Its not about ability.

Its about maximizing ur potential. Rather have Bumrah play on green mamba venues with short bursts than grind 50 overs on flat belters like Edgbaston and get him injured for another 6 months

Winning this series is more important. If ur premier bowler can play only 3 tests bcoz of fitness issues - reserve him for most helpful venues. Not venues with dead wickets

Like how Barca used Andres Iniesta - play him for 60-70 mins and then sub him off every match ( except critical games ) bcoz of his chronic fitness issues. That was optimal usage of his skill set
 
Nikhil_cric said:
No context to this at all. Means nothing.
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Yes their is. Bowlers with him avg 47 and perform significantly worse.

I have 2 theories as to why that is. One is take the other is very dark

A) Indian bowlers have an inferiority complex around Bumrah and feel like their worthless and that the big man has got it covered.

B) Bumrah is deliberately telling and downright threatening them to bowl poorly so that he himself can look good. If they don't then they will see his other evil side.
 
Ball Blazer said:
Since Jasprit Bumrah’s Test debut, India has a significantly higher win rate without him (70%) compared to when he plays (43%) across 46 and 27 matches respectively.

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don't think it's right to judge in this way, Bumrah has played only 12 Tests at home since in Debut when India played 30 Tests.

He played 34 Tests in away grounds from 46 games, was instrumental in almost every big victories India had in overseas since 2018 with POTS in ENG, AUS & SA.

Nice try though but I'm here to Exposed the reality . :kp
 
pillionrider said:
You underestimate India, Indian cricket and fans. So far, Bumrah hasn't shown himself to be a primadonna like Kohli did at different points especially when it came to his wife. If it becomes evident that Bumrah thinks he's bigger than the team, he will be brought crashing down to earth. It's not just limited to cricket. It's a cultural thing that has also happened in politics and cinema.

Now why Bumrah didn't play and whether it was an individual decision is only open to speculation at this point.

But there's one recurring reality with Indian cricket for a while now - the team with relative noobs punches way above its expected weight. It's done this multiple times. When Kohli walked away after a disastrous 1st test vs Australia they came back in epic fashion under Rahane. They lost all their main bowlers and still went on to win at the Gabba. There is also similar history in the past that I can't quite remember, but I know for sure it's happened before too.
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Dude this is India we are talking about. When was the last time a big star player or actor ever came crashing down? Us Indians love our stars to the point that some of us worship them.

For most general Indian followers of cricket, the game is secondary to the individual stats.The game only matters if India wins or not.

Take out the stars, then the remaning players feel less pressure from media and fans and hence play more like a team.
 
mominsaigol said:
Yes their is. Bowlers with him avg 47 and perform significantly worse.

I have 2 theories as to why that is. One is take the other is very dark

A) Indian bowlers have an inferiority complex around Bumrah and feel like their worthless and that the big man has got it covered.

B) Bumrah is deliberately telling and downright threatening them to bowl poorly so that he himself can look good. If they don't then they will see his other evil side.
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Very meaningful takes, bro.
 
Despite this mishap Bumrah is still in the top 30 of all time fast bowlers
 
I want someone to show me stats for Bumrah in matches that India lost. This will confirm that he either hides when India loses, or takes useless wickets that boosts his stats but doesn't help the team.
 
bk19xsa said:
Dude this is India we are talking about. When was the last time a big star player or actor ever came crashing down? Us Indians love our stars to the point that some of us worship them.

For most general Indian followers of cricket, the game is secondary to the individual stats.The game only matters if India wins or not.

Take out the stars, then the remaning players feel less pressure from media and fans and hence play more like a team.
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Hardik Pandya was dragged rightfully through the dirt until he redeemed himself in the WC.

Virat's hardcore following certainly shrunk midway through his career. Just see how polarized Indian fans here itself are about him.
 
So another failure of a day for the “GOAT” apart from the lucky wicket of Brook. England are batting India out of this Test and hopefully the series.

The Australian series and this ongoing series is making it clear that Bumrah has almost no impact on results when playing good teams.
 
Ab Fan said:
Bumrah is better than all England bowlers in cricket history.
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Mamoon said:
So another failure of a day for the “GOAT” apart from the lucky wicket of Brook. England are batting India out of this Test and hopefully the series.

The Australian series and this ongoing series is making it clear that Bumrah has almost no impact on results when playing good teams.
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Yeah except that he has actually helped us win tests and series in Aus(which Root couldn’t)and helped us draw a series in England.
 
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He is better than Anderson. Only Trueman has a claim.

If you think Anderson is better, you must acknowledge the greatness of Sir Ravindra Jadeja too as both are ATG players in homelike conditions and just good away from home.
 
Mamoon said:
So another failure of a day for the “GOAT” apart from the lucky wicket of Brook. England are batting India out of this Test and hopefully the series.

The Australian series and this ongoing series is making it clear that Bumrah has almost no impact on results when playing good teams.
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How is clean bowled a batsman is a 'lucky wicket'?

:mv
 
Mamoon said:
So another failure of a day for the “GOAT” apart from the lucky wicket of Brook.
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That entire over was a work of joy for any bowling enthusiast. Bumrah literally set Brook up before nailing the delivery designed to expose Brook's current weakness.
 
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People forget Bumrah also plays 15-16 IPL matches in peak summer. His workload should be managed & also India have also unearthed few bowlers in his absence - Varun Chakravarthy in white ball/ Akash Deep in red ball.
 
Mamoon said:
So another failure of a day for the “GOAT” apart from the lucky wicket of Brook. England are batting India out of this Test and hopefully the series.
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I feel very unlucky reading this line. Day started with reading absolute gibberish.
 
harshjoshi87 said:
People forget Bumrah also plays 15-16 IPL matches in peak summer. His workload should be managed & also India have also unearthed few bowlers in his absence - Varun Chakravarthy in white ball/ Akash Deep in red ball.
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What he does in IpL is his own problem, he needs to be fully ready for India, if IpL is taking a toll don’t play like Starc.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Yeah except that he has actually helped us win tests and series in Aus(which Root couldn’t)and helped us draw a series in England.
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jeeteshssaxena said:
I feel very unlucky reading this line. Day started with reading absolute gibberish.
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And I feel lucky whenever you quote the same post twice, because it clearly shows that you have been triggered.
 
pillionrider said:
That entire over was a work of joy for any bowling enthusiast. Bumrah literally set Brook up before nailing the delivery designed to expose Brook's current weakness.
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But 1 wicket in 18 overs and failure to provide early breakthroughs and allowing England to be in a strong position was also a work of joy for an anti-India enthusiast.

Too bad he could not “set up” anyone else. No one takes more useless wickets in losses than Bumrah does.
 
Million dollar question: how long before Bumrah starts his usual acting of pretending that he is tired or pulled something?

That is his usual act whenever the opposition scores big and he is unable to find wickets.
 
Bumrah will try a bit harder to chuck this morning.
 
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jeeteshssaxena said:
What he does in IpL is his own problem, he needs to be fully ready for India, if IpL is taking a toll don’t play like Starc.
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Oh, when I said the same thing five years ago, you used to explode with anger. What happened now? :yk :inti
 
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gazza619 said:
Chukrah will try a bit harder to chuck this morning.
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Once I was banned for calling a certain player 'Chuckmal'. Even though later I was proven to be right.

Dont think you should use these terms losely and accuse other players of chucking/malpractice without any proof. I do understand the jealousy factor considering Bumrah has surpassed every single Pak bowler in history but lets not be so petty. You guys used to throw the same chucking allegation against Ashwin when he was in his prime.

Classic mantra for Pak fans - when you cant beat them, accuse them of foul play. Remember how India got special swinging balls (no pun intended) during 2023 WC?

#PakistaniCricketFansForYou

:dw :kp
 
Rajdeep said:
Once I was banned for calling a certain player 'Chuckmal'. Even though later I was proven to be right.

Dont think you should use these terms losely and accuse other players of chucking/malpractice without any proof. I do understand the jealousy factor considering Bumrah has surpassed every single Pak bowler in history but lets not be so petty. You guys used to throw the same chucking allegation against Ashwin when he was in his prime.

Classic mantra for Pak fans - when you cant beat them, accuse them of foul play. Remember how India got special swinging balls (no pun intended) during 2023 WC?

#PakistaniCricketFansForYou

:dw :kp
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Rajdeep said:
Once I was banned for calling a certain player 'Chuckmal'. Even though later I was proven to be right.

Dont think you should use these terms losely and accuse other players of chucking/malpractice without any proof. I do understand the jealousy factor considering Bumrah has surpassed every single Pak bowler in history but lets not be so petty. You guys used to throw the same chucking allegation against Ashwin when he was in his prime.

Classic mantra for Pak fans - when you cant beat them, accuse them of foul play. Remember how India got special swinging balls (no pun intended) during 2023 WC?

#PakistaniCricketFansForYou

:dw :kp
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🤣🤡

Wasim’s 92 World Cup final performance is bigger than Bumrah’s entire career so far.

Comeback when he wins India a real World Cup (ODI). It might be too late now after he choked beautifully in the 2023 final.

Bumrah, at best, is a Temu version of Wasim Akram. Not a single knowledgeable Indian fan or former Indian cricketer would pick Bumrah over prime Wasim.
 
Mamoon said:
🤣🤡

Wasim’s 92 World Cup final performance is bigger than Bumrah’s entire career so far.

Comeback when he wins India a real World Cup (ODI). It might be too late now after he choked beautifully in the 2023 final.

Bumrah, at best, is a Temu version of Wasim Akram. Not a single knowledgeable Indian fan or former Indian cricketer would pick Bumrah over prime Wasim.
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Bumrah has been part of 2 test series victories in Australia which Wasim couldn't achieve. Bumrah has won the T20 World Cup unbeaten, how Pakistan won back in '92, everyone knows.
 
Mamoon said:
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Wasim’s 92 World Cup final performance is bigger than Bumrah’s entire career so far.

Comeback when he wins India a real World Cup (ODI). It might be too late now after he choked beautifully in the 2023 final.

Bumrah, at best, is a Temu version of Wasim Akram. Not a single knowledgeable Indian fan or former Indian cricketer would pick Bumrah over prime Wasim.
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Nah...that is an exxeggeration. Bumrah's two test series wins are more note worthy than anything Wasim has achieved. Dont take me wrong, we Indians love Wasim Akram and he is the greatest left arm seamer we have seen but calling Bumrah as Temu version of him is hyperbole.

I was not born during 1992 world cup but later realized it was the biggest fluke. Pak would have knocked out long time ago had it not been due to rain. They also lost against Tendulkar and India in the same tournament with Wasim couldnt do anything. M.Amir's spell in 2017 CT Finals is much better than Wasim 92 WC Final. Wasim with all his talent could never win a world game against India when it mattered the most. Lost in 92, chickened out in 96, failed again in 99 and 03. If Bumrah had these kind of record, we all know what you will be saying.

It is a fact that Bumrah has achieved much more in cricket field in short amount of time than any fast bowler in Pak cricket history. However, due to sheer longevity, Wasim's wicket tally etc will remain more. Bumrah, at max 2-3 years left as all format player.

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Rajdeep said:
Nah...that is an exxeggeration. Bumrah's two test series wins are more note worthy than anything Wasim has achieved. Dont take me wrong, we Indians love Wasim Akram and he is the greatest left arm seamer we have seen but calling Bumrah as Temu version of him is hyperbole.

I was not born during 1992 world cup but later realized it was the biggest fluke. Pak would have knocked out long time ago had it not been due to rain. They also lost against Tendulkar and India in the same tournament with Wasim couldnt do anything. M.Amir's spell in 2017 CT Finals is much better than Wasim 92 WC Final. Wasim with all his talent could never win a world game against India when it mattered the most. Lost in 92, chickened out in 96, failed again in 99 and 03. If Bumrah had these kind of record, we all know what you will be saying.

It is a fact that Bumrah has achieved much more in cricket field in short amount of time than any fast bowler in Pak cricket history. However, due to sheer longevity, Wasim's wicket tally etc will remain more. Bumrah, at max 2-3 years left as all format player.

#RajdeepSpeaksOnFriday11th
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Nonsense.

What stopped India from fluking the 2023 World Cup final?

India shamelessly counted every aspect of the World Cup but Bumrah still couldn’t get them over the line. How embarrassing.

The ODI World Cup is the biggest prize in cricket at least for the subcontinent. Bigger than any Test series win.

As long as Bumrah cannot deliver that for India, he cannot be better than Wasim.
 
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