The Jewel in the Crown - deep dive of the British Empire

Cpt. Rishwat

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The British ruled over a large part of the world at one time, but India was often referred to as the Jewel in the Crown. While it might have led to poverty in India at the time, was British rule also the reason why India is in a position to provide the service industry which has led to a change in fortunes for the better for current day Bharat?
 
Britain has ruled entire Indian subcontinent including present day Pakistan and Bangladesh. It is sad to see that only present day Bharat and Bangladesh has been able to take advantage of the industrial revolution set by Queen's empire and become an emerging market. Bharat infact has even left present day Britain's economy. Pakistan on the other hand has unfortunately walked towards the path of extremism and living on IMF bailouts. I wish they would have taken advantage of British Raj and make their country a better economy than what it is now.
 
Britain has ruled entire Indian subcontinent including present day Pakistan and Bangladesh. It is sad to see that only present day Bharat and Bangladesh has been able to take advantage of the industrial revolution set by Queen's empire and become an emerging market. Bharat infact has even left present day Britain's economy. Pakistan on the other hand has unfortunately walked towards the path of extremism and living on IMF bailouts. I wish they would have taken advantage of British Raj and make their country a better economy than what it is now.
True, bharat took advantage of the few good things that the British left with us and became one of the biggest economics in the world while unfortunately Pakistan couldn't and now resemble an Asian version of Somalia
 
True, bharat took advantage of the few good things that the British left with us and became one of the biggest economics in the world while unfortunately Pakistan couldn't and now resemble an Asian version of Somalia

So would you say India is still the jewel in Britain's crown due to adopting the great English language which makes them ideal for service industry in our country?
 
Yes, I would agree with that. If only Pakistan had the ability to create a great service industry, they too would have had a functional economy but can't due to their inability to speak in English, despite adopting the language
 
Yes, I would agree with that. If only Pakistan had the ability to create a great service industry, they too would have had a functional economy but can't due to their inability to speak in English, despite adopting the language

I don't think Pakistan is interested in creating a service industry, they are a strange nation, I tend to shrug my shoulders and let them get on with it. Today was a proud day for me as a born and bred Brit, you may have seen me in the cricket forum celebrating England's win.

But obviously, as we Brits do recognise that we benefited from Empire, we also think we have contributed a lot to India's service industry, most ostensibly the English language. How is the British Empire regarded in India today? Is there acknowledgement of India's debt to England or are we always portrayed as evil?
 
I don't think Pakistan is interested in creating a service industry, they are a strange nation, I tend to shrug my shoulders and let them get on with it. Today was a proud day for me as a born and bred Brit, you may have seen me in the cricket forum celebrating England's win.

But obviously, as we Brits do recognise that we benefited from Empire, we also think we have contributed a lot to India's service industry, most ostensibly the English language. How is the British Empire regarded in India today? Is there acknowledgement of India's debt to England or are we always portrayed as evil?
Well, congrats to England on the win, they deserved it and they were pretty in their last tours to Pak and sl, they have done well in the subcontinent.
The British Empire is mostly regarded negatively, but we do acknowledge that they have done a couple of good things.
But I am curious, why is someone of pakistani descent taking joy in glory of the British Empire. Your ancestors most certainly didn't rule over the subcontinent, it was run by white Christian men
 
India kind of lucked out due to the adoption of English as a medium of communication between groups that do not understand each other. The world’s most powerful country or empire that the world has ever seen also uses the same English language fortunately for India.
Had US adopted German instead of English, Bharat would have been at a great disadvantage.
 
Apart from the English language and exposure to enlightenment values and European thought in general, there is absolutely nothing to be grateful to the British for.

The British were the worst of all those who ruled the subcontinent by a country mile
 
Well, congrats to England on the win, they deserved it and they were pretty in their last tours to Pak and sl, they have done well in the subcontinent.
The British Empire is mostly regarded negatively, but we do acknowledge that they have done a couple of good things.
But I am curious, why is someone of pakistani descent taking joy in glory of the British Empire. Your ancestors most certainly didn't rule over the subcontinent, it was run by white Christian men

So what? Britannia was raped and pillaged by Vikings from Scandinavia, they were ruled by Romans and I daresay a few were probably sent to Rome and tossed to the lions in the colosseum for the pleasure of the public. Do you think we dwell constantly on who our ancestors were?
 
Apart from the English language and exposure to enlightenment values and European thought in general, there is absolutely nothing to be grateful to the British for.

The British were the worst of all those who ruled the subcontinent by a country mile
100% Agreed. We were doing fine without their arrival. They leeched off as much as they could for centuries. Looting $48 trillion in wealth in total from the start to the end of their reign when they finally left.

And yet you still have colonial boot lickers from the subcontinent to this day, who think speaking English is the highest honor and will do anything to get validation from someone who is a few shades lighter in skin color. Pathetic.
 
Apart from the English language and exposure to enlightenment values and European thought in general, there is absolutely nothing to be grateful to the British for.

The British were the worst of all those who ruled the subcontinent by a country mile
Without the British conquest Ram Temple would still be Babri Masjid.
 
While it might have led to poverty in India at the time, was British rule also .....

But obviously, as we Brits do recognise that we benefited from Empire, we also think we ....
True, so let all the colonies come back in, by plane, by boat whatever, loot and pillage this broke nation, scrape the barrel. It's fair game as the OP says.

Earn the ££ and pump it back home India, Africa, Palestine.... the scores of nations pillaged by the empire, time to get yours back. Every last penny, fill your coffers, as the councils run broke, the social services go unfunded, food bank queues grow longer, bankruptcies rise.... you do your grind, earn your ££ and enrich the colonies. Let the 'empire' continue to rot and grow a little poorer each day.

89 years the empire ruled over the Indian subcontinent till 1947, so another 15 years to see where the 'empire' and the colonies stand when things come a full circle!

So what? Britannia was raped and pillaged by Vikings from Scandinavia, they were ruled by Romans and I daresay a few were probably sent to Rome and tossed to the lions in the colosseum for the pleasure of the public. Do you think we dwell constantly on who our ancestors were?
This nation has been too stupid to realise it's standing 6feet deep in its own grave currently, let alone have any acumen left to understand history. 15 years of colossal errors starting with a banking bailout, decade of QE, Brexit, debt, Tory infighting..... the Vikings were more forgiving in comparison!

It's interesting how certain 'numeric' gen Brits have lost faith, hope and respect in their own identity so they seek comfort in asking others to overlook the hundreds of millions that the british empire killed during its rule, but yet cry foul when tens of thousands of Palestinians are killed? Guess what, it's the british empire that created the mess in the middle east as well.

Israelis carrying out a genocide in Gaza, so what? as they say Britannia was raped and pillaged by Vikings from Scandinavia.....
 
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UK returns stolen artifacts to Ghana from during the British Empire’s reign of looting and pillaging…

Except… it’s on a long term loan 💀


You can’t make this up folks.

Anyone who still defends whatever this empire did is suffering from clear Stockholm syndrome.
 
While we can't deny that we bled India for it's wealth, it's wrong to deny we brought many good things to the subcontinent. The Mughals were the first overlords to try to ban sati, but it was the Brits who eventually enforced it.

Strike off the 'we' from your post. And no, we Indians don't owe the British anything for legally banning sati.
 
While we can't deny that we bled India for it's wealth, it's wrong to deny we brought many good things to the subcontinent. The Mughals were the first overlords to try to ban sati, but it was the Brits who eventually enforced it.

By the way, the British sucked blood from generations upon generations of your ancestors as well.
 
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you got them there
Without the British conquest Ram Temple would still be Babri Masjid.
In fact, the Ram Mandir may have been built much before if the British conquest had not happened. The Mughal Empire was anyway breathing its last well before the British came.The Marathas or the Sikhs would have gained control over the subcontinent if the Europeans had not arrived.
It is Pakistan that would not have existed if the British had not ruled India.
 
In fact, the Ram Mandir may have been built much before if the British conquest had not happened. The Mughal Empire was anyway breathing its last well before the British came.The Marathas or the Sikhs would have gained control over the subcontinent if the Europeans had not arrived.
It is Pakistan that would not have existed if the British had not ruled India.
And that would have doomed our country.
 
In fact, the Ram Mandir may have been built much before if the British conquest had not happened. The Mughal Empire was anyway breathing its last well before the British came.The Marathas or the Sikhs would have gained control over the subcontinent if the Europeans had not arrived.
It is Pakistan that would not have existed if the British had not ruled India.
Thats unlikely. it had never been under united hindu or sikh rule and it seems unlikely given the events of the time that it would have happened.

Of course, Pakistan wouldn't have existed. That's hardly a revelation. Neither would have India.
 
Would you rather have kept the widow burning tradition then?

  1. He conceived reformist religious associations as instruments of social and political transformation
    • In 1814 he formed Atmiya Sabha, the Calcutta Unitarian Association in 1821, and in 1828 the Brahmo Sabha or Brahmo Samaj in 1828.
  2. He campaigned for rights for women, including the right for widows to remarry, and the right for women to hold property.
  3. His efforts led to the abolition of Sati in 1829 by Lord William Bentinck, the then Governor-General of India. He opposed the practice of polygamy.
 
During the early-modern Mughal period of 1526–1857, it was notably associated with elite Hindu Rajput clans in western India, marking one of the points of divergence between Hindu Rajputs and the Muslim Mughals, who banned the practice.

 
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Like I said, Brits can't take all the credit, the Mughals tried to ban Sati well before we turned up in India.
 
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Would you rather have kept the widow burning tradition then?
Every society had its evils. Sati was practiced by Warrior caste when their woman get captured by enemies or about to get captured. To avoid being in the harem of the conqueror or sold as a sex slave in foreign markets. It was not mandatory. Every Hindu will be glad it was abolished under law first by British and now by Indian state.
 
Like I said, Brits can't take all the credit, the Mughals tried to ban Sati well before we turned up in India.
Brits also have the credit to ban Sex slavery in Arabia and Slavery by Berbers in Africa and Europe.

Credit where it is due.
 
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Brits also have the credit to ban Sex slavery in Arabia and Slavery by Berbers in Africa and Europe.

Credit where it is due.

Please stick to the topic, it's quite specific in the title we are talking about British rule in India. Or the British Raj as we were often addressed by Indians of that era.
 
During the early-modern Mughal period of 1526–1857, it was notably associated with elite Hindu Rajput clans in western India, marking one of the points of divergence between Hindu Rajputs and the Muslim Mughals, who banned the practice.

Talking about abolition of the tradition. Raja Ram Mohan Roy made it almost extinct. BTW Mughals are not British Raj.
 
You brought Mughals into this topic. That is what the poster was trying to say.

The British Empire removed and replaced the Mughal Empire, Sati was attemptedly abolished by both administrations before finally being successfully ended by the British Raj. It was hardly a major point to get stuck on.
 
The British Empire removed and replaced the Mughal Empire, Sati was attemptedly abolished by both administrations before finally being successfully ended by the British Raj. It was hardly a major point to get stuck on.
You still brought Mughals into this topic while you whined about me bringing Arabs into this topic.
 
What do Arabs or Berbers have to do with the British Empire in India?
Go read what you were crying about. You asked the topic to be limited to British. But then brought up Mughals immediately opening the door for others to bring in other best accomplishments of British Crown. If you don't stick to what you preach, don't expect others to do it.
 
Go read what you were crying about. You asked the topic to be limited to British. But then brought up Mughals immediately opening the door for others to bring in other best accomplishments of British Crown. If you don't stick to what you preach, don't expect others to do it.

If you want to discuss a topic then stop using emotive language like crying, it just makes you look triggered. I'm sure you are capable of debating maturely.
 
The British Raj created the British Indian Army which defeated the Ottomans during WW1 and conquered Palestine. Later this territory was handed over to Jews to create Israel as per the Balfour Declaration of 1917

Creation of Israel & end of Khilafat system are the most long lasting legacy of British Raj

Israel owes great sense of debt to the British Raj.
 
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