The Jos Buttler thread: a modern-day potential great but needs to be backed in all formats

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What a thread and what a turn-around this has been for Jos.

Can anyone believe I made this thread just 4 months ago and at that point, Buttler was nowhere in the scenes in test arena.

In a matter of few days, he got a surprise recall to tests from ECB. Everyone were saying he is misfit for tests. And then what happened is history now.

Buttler played the Pakistan series and was their best batsmen and the leading run-scorer. He saved England a humiliation from Pakistan.

Buttler played an ODI series vs Aus and he was player of the series in Aus tour.

Then, he became vice-captain of the team and is now the leading run-scorer for England in this test series as well. His 69 yesterday made an impact towards the match in this decider.

Phenomenal turn-around in just a matter of 4 months.
 
Sri Lanka test series will decide his fate in longer format , if he is suitable for Asian conditions.
 
Jos Buttler has now established himself as greatest limited over batsmen to come from England. He is the biggest threat to the opposition as far as upcoming WC is concerned.

He should preferably bat at 4 but due to Morgan, has to bat at 5. Need to make sure he is not sent lower than 5 though.
 
Incredible knock. At once stage he was around 44(45). So got his next 100 or so for around 30 balls!
 
England have Buttler, we have grandpa Dhoni and grandpa Karthik. Sigh.
 
Buttler is already among the greatest finishers of all time imo. 40+ average at 120 SR is insane regardless of era. He could easily bloat his average to 50+ if he played like Dhoni, mad props he doesn't care about selfish stats.
 
If only our Universe Jos can start replicating this success in tests.
 
Shouldn’t be batting lower than Stokes. His ability to play 360 degrees with ease is frightening stuff.
 
'Buttler will be difference at World Cup' - Trescothick

If England are to win this summer’s World Cup then Jos Buttler’s form with the bat will be key for Eoin Morgan’s men, according to Marcus Trescothick.

Buttler, who has seven ODI centuries to him name, including his electrifying 77-ball 150 against the West Indies last month, is in the form of his life now.

And Trescothick, who played with Buttler at Somerset earlier in his career, believes the big-hitter holds the key to England ending 44 years of hurt and finally win the World Cup this summer on home soil.

“That hundred he scored against the West Indies was absolutely sensational. To see someone, play in that fashion is quite stunning,” said Trescothick, who was helping to launch the 'Wickets' mural in Taunton, which gives fans a chance to win a pair of tickets to CWC19.

“Jos is on fire and whatever game he is playing and in whatever format, he is superb now.

“I really hope his form continues into the World Cup, because if he is in form then he will be the stand-out difference for England.”

Having reached the World Cup Final on three previous occasions - in 1979, 1987 and 1992 - Trescothick believes England’s time is now and they will finally get their hands on the biggest prize in limited-overs cricket.

The former England opener says that the tournament being played on home soil cannot be underestimated and is an advantage for Morgan’s men.

“I think it will come down to two teams, either England or India to win it," he added.

“They are ranked one and two in the world and I think England has as good a chance as we have ever had to win the World Cup with the home advantage.

“It is a big deal to play World Cup matches at home. Having experienced one World Cup in my career back in 2003, it would have been lovely to have it in your own country.

“It is homelier, and there is a chance to get away from it and you are secure in your surroundings, you know the hotels and the places you go to in each city, you know all the grounds. It is all more familiar and a bit more relaxing.

“There are other demands. The crowds will expect, and the country will put a bit of pressure on the team, but they are in such a good place now that I believe they can cope with those things.”

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1093791
 
Noticeable that he doesn't back away to legside like Fakhar does which gives him a much better range of shots to choose from. His movement is either forward or back in his crease which gives him all the options he needs.
 
Noticeable that he doesn't back away to legside like Fakhar does which gives him a much better range of shots to choose from. His movement is either forward or back in his crease which gives him all the options he needs.

He plays orthodox shots when he wants and never loses his balance. That is key to power hitting, but you need a strong foundation for it which likes the Fakhar don’t have.
 
My fav English player and one of the favs going around.

Saw him first time in Natwest t20 2010 where he smashed a peak Afridi to all parts.

Kid hasnt justified his talent yet. More to ccome ;)

Justifying his talent now and on his way to become the greatest odi wicketkeeper batsman of all time.
 
Unbelievable talent. The way he plays normal cricketing shots and clears the boundaries is scary. As much as I despise specialist captain, at times there is nothing you can do to stop Buttler.
 
This is a golden era of ODI batting. ODI cricket never had so many tremendous batsmen playing in the same era.

The way Butler has been batting, he will leave behind Gilchrist and Dhoni in a few years.
 
This is a golden era of ODI batting. ODI cricket never had so many tremendous batsmen playing in the same era.

The way Butler has been batting, he will leave behind Gilchrist and Dhoni in a few years.

He is already head and shoulder's above Gilchrist in batting. Gilchrist wasn't even exceptional in his own era. Tendulkar was better and Jayasuriya wad comparable as openers. Buttler is literally rewriting the rules of late-middle order hitting. Dhoni will also be behind if he has a good world cup.
 
Possibly the closest thing to AB De Villiers. Buttler's a freak. Sensational innings today. Yes he is destructive at 6, but I feel if he comes in the Top 3, this guy can wreak more havoc. Definitely would've a chance at breaking Rohit's 264 record. Should be a shoe-in for the Ashes.
 
Sir Viv Richards believes he is the best odi batsman in last 10 years yes better than Kohli, Dhoni and AB.

In terms of impact, maybe yes. But overall no. You need to take into account consistency as well. Kohli's consistency is mind boggling which is why he is comfortably the best ODI batsman in the past decade.

However, Buttler is starting to put in consistent performances. He's on his way. Definitely England's best ever ODI batsman. Has surpassed Kevin Pietersen.
 
That was some batting . He is definitely awesome player in odis but not too great in test
 
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Buttler is already close to being an ATG. 42 avg at 120 SR is legendary stuff. I already rate him above Bevan and just behind Dhoni (Dhoni gets brownie points for the WC11 final knock).

Just 4 more years like this and he can become GOAT. He already has almost as many tons as Dhoni despite batting so aggressively. Insane stuff.
 
Great player and he's becoming more consistent of late. Frightening, he gives me that feeling, as a Pakistan fan, of fear whenever he's on strike.
 
Showstopper!

My bet for the WC 2019! Already the greatest ODI batsman to have come from England.
 
Injured. Will miss few games at least. Playing too hard against a dead rubber, when other batsman could have done so
 
England captain Eoin Morgan plays down Jos Buttler fitness concerns

Eoin Morgan has eased worries over Jos Buttler's fitness after he did not keep wicket in Saturday's 106-run win over Bangladesh in Cardiff.

Buttler tweaked his hip while scoring a swashbuckling 64 from 44 deliveries as England amassed their highest World Cup score of 386-6.

"No serious concern with Jos at the moment," Morgan said at the post-match presentation after England bounced back from Monday's defeat to Pakistan.

"He didn't keep just as a precaution after feeling his hip but that will be monitored over the next 48 hours," added Morgan, whose side are next in action against West Indies at The Ageas Bowl on Friday.

Buttler came to the crease above Morgan against Bangladesh, with England having reached 235-2 in the 35th over, principally due to Jason Roy (153).

Buttler proceeded to smash four sixes and two fours in his 19th ODI fifty, five days after he had scored his ninth century in the format, against Pakistan.

"He is just extraordinary and I love the way England are using him now," Sky Sports Cricket expert Rob Key said of Buttler.

"Sometimes when you have a hitter like that you think: 'We want to make sure he is there at the end' and bring him in with 15 overs to go.

"But, for me, you are looking at around the 25, 26-over mark. That is Buttler time, when he is going to come on and do something extraordinary.

Jason Roy accidentally knocked over umpire Joel Wilson after scoring a hundred in England's World Cup match against Bangladesh in Cardiff.

"I feel it's derogatory sometimes calling him a freak but that's what he is with the way he can time the ball."

England went on to bowl Bangladesh out for 280 in 48.5 overs, with Jofra Archer (3-29) and Ben Stokes (3-23) sharing six wickets.

Key's fellow pundit Nasser Hussain says England's bowling was far shrewder than against Pakistan at Trent Bridge, when they conceded 348 runs.

"It was more like England," said Hussain. "I thought they overdid the short ball against Pakistan but were much better here. The surprise short ball works more than the complete bumper barrage ball after ball.

England's Jofra Archer produced this fearsome delivery to bowl Bangladesh's Soumya Sarkar in the World Cup clash at Cardiff.
"You have to be careful in this tournament. It's easy to watch other sides bowl and think: 'That's the way we are going to do it'.

"England should be setting the example, they are the No 1 side in the world. Watch others but don't necessarily copy them.

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...organ-plays-down-jos-buttler-fitness-concerns
 
Buttler happy to be England’s ultimate multi-tasker

Jos Buttler says he would relish tackling cricket’s ultimate multi-tasking test as batsman, wicket-keeper and captain should England’s regular skipper Eoin Morgan fail to be fit to lead the side against Afghanistan at Old Trafford.

The vice-captain is ready to again take on the ‘huge honour’ of international captaincy for the 11th time in his career after Morgan suffered a back spasm during England’s emphatic ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup win over West Indies at Southampton.

Yet the prodigiously gifted Buttler reckons that if he has to step in to the leadership role behind the stumps, it will be a seamless transition.

“I would be chuffed to captain the team - but I’d rather Eoin was fit to play,” said Buttler, who says his own fitness is fine now that he’s recovered from a hip issue.

“Hopefully, not very much would change. I’ve played under Eoin for a long time, I think he’s a fantastic captain and someone I’ve tried to learn off.

“As vice-captain, I’ve talked to him a lot about the game and we have got similar views, so I think it will be a very similar style.

“I would relish it. If I have to captain, then it’s a huge honour any time you get to do it. I think that from behind the stumps you get a fantastic view of what’s going on and it’s down to yourself to manage the two jobs and separate them as much as you can.

“For that 10 seconds each ball when you have to be a wicket-keeper, then do that job to the best of your ability. Then, outside of that, allow yourself to think about the game.”

Buttler is no stranger to the role, having captained England in six ODIs and four T20Is over the past four years. He’s led six victories, topped by last summer’s crushing of Australia in Cardiff when he hit a dazzling unbeaten 91 off 70 balls.

But his four defeats included a shock loss to Bangladesh, so he will be wary of the possibility of presiding over another huge upset against Afghanistan at Old Trafford.

“We’ve done our research and it’s good to have played against them in a warm-up game (which England won by nine wickets); they’re a very talented and dangerous side,” warned Buttler.

Though England have no nominated deputy to the vice-captain, Buttler thinks the in-form Joe Root, vastly experienced as England’s Test captain, will be ‘a great person to lean on’ for advice.

“I don’t think it matters too much who’s the official vice-captain because we’re a tight group who share ideas and are very good at sharing information and coming up with ideas,” he added.

As for his multi-tasking, Buttler has one more job he’s become quite adept at off the field over the last two months, as a new dad to baby Georgia Rose.

Yet the only reason he’s getting any sleep, he smiles, is down to the sterling efforts of his wife Louise, who’s taking on all the night duties.

England fans will feel they owe her a serious debt then if Buttler continues the sort of blistering form that had Shane Warne noting this week: “How would I bowl at Buttler? I would happily give him a single and get the other bloke down the striker’s end!”

Asked about the praise from the Australian great, Buttler just smiled ruefully: “Oh, I know Warney from the Rajasthan Royals, he’s probably just pumping my tyres….”

No, he wasn’t. For like everyone else, Warne can see that the modest Englishman really is one of the most remarkable and destructive performers the game has yet seen.
 
He fumbles far too often by the standards of a quality keeper, especially stumping opportunities.

Foakes and Bairstow are better glovemen.
 
This can be his day.. looking fluent till now. No Required Rate unachievable for this guy.
 
Whilst others have struggled, he's come in today in a World Cup final and scored 40 or so at almost a run-a-ball.
 
Gets them close but doesn’t finish it. Seen it before a few times.
 
Well played Buttler.. Good inning, let folks say whatever they want.
 
Butler is the one who got England back in the game, Stokes picked it up after but it was Butler who got it going.
 
Excellent inning under pressure.. Buttler is no bottler. Today's inning should seal it for him.

England had such a great team really.

Roy
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Root

That's 5 elite batters and add Morgan the captain in it. That's 6.
 
Abysmal Test form at the moment. Out for 12 in 2nd Ashes Test
 
Going through a lean patch currently.
World Cups are done. Need to concentrate on test cricket.
 
He averages 32 in FC cricket and has five hundreds in 154 innings. That's a century every 31 innings. What on earth is he doing in the Test team as a specialist batsman?
 
He doesn’t look convincing in tests as the moment. Will be interesting to see how long England stick with him.
 
"Freak"
"Genius"

Yeah when the ball doesn't move an inch.

Guess Pakistan and India weren’t moving the ball an inch last year....

Joss looks tired and I would send him back to Lancs for a while. Move Bairstow up to #5 and bring in Foakes behind the sticks.
 
Guess Pakistan and India weren’t moving the ball an inch last year....

Joss looks tired and I would send him back to Lancs for a while. Move Bairstow up to #5 and bring in Foakes behind the sticks.

Bairstow's going to throw a strop again if they take the gloves off him, so it's probably a non-starter given his influence on the coach and captain.

I agree with you on Buttler, he was England's best test batsman last year but he is among those players dazed in the aftermath of the World Cup win (Root, Roy, Bairstow, Stokes the others). He needs to be taken out of the spotlight, as they did with Moeen. All these lads ideally need a break.
 
He must be backed to come good. Too good a player to be discarded after a couple of low scores and a potential great in test cricket.

If England back him I think he’ll end up playing a crucial role for them even in this ashes. Also continue to believe he should be test captain.
 
He must be backed to come good. Too good a player to be discarded after a couple of low scores and a potential great in test cricket.

If England back him I think he’ll end up playing a crucial role for them even in this ashes. Also continue to believe he should be test captain.

A potential great!, what planet u living on, yes a good odi player on flat roads with bowlers having restrictions, his first class record is average to say the least, and so is his test, he's lucky v to b in the team
 
Always found him the most overrated batsmen .He is bilateral bulley in limited overs and extremely terrible in test
 
Always found him the most overrated batsmen .He is bilateral bulley in limited overs and extremely terrible in test
He is rightly rated in odi cricket. How many people average 40 @ 120 Sr in international cricket ? Buttler is a gifted batsman that's why people expect more from him.

There is no doubt he has been bang average in his test career so far but there should not be silly questions about his odi batting.
 
Ashes so far
4 test matches
130 runs
Batting average 16
O fifty
Highest score :41

Overall batting average in test is 30 .Always said he is bilateral bulley in odis and thats it .
 
He is rightly rated in odi cricket. How many people average 40 @ 120 Sr in international cricket ? Buttler is a gifted batsman that's why people expect more from him.

There is no doubt he has been bang average in his test career so far but there should not be silly questions about his odi batting.

But he should not be in the test team
 
Ashes so far
4 test matches
130 runs
Batting average 16
O fifty
Highest score :41

Overall batting average in test is 30 .Always said he is bilateral bulley in odis and thats it .

"As talented as AB " - Sir Mamoon
 
Absolute poor judgement on talent by the Op.

I still believe Buttler has potential to emerge a successful test cricketer. He needs to work a bit more on his defense game.

Felt the Ashes came too early for him post the World Cup celebration. The hangover of WC win meant him and a few other blokes in that side were not well prepared for the real test.
 
He had a strong 2018, but has been rubbish recently.

Not sure if he will be persisted with.

Maybe England should just stick with him in LOI and get somebody like Pope in.
 
Ashes so far
4 test matches
130 runs
Batting average 16
O fifty
Highest score :41

Overall batting average in test is 30 .Always said he is bilateral bulley in odis and thats it .
So failing in test cricket makes player bilateral bulley in odis ? Amazing analogy.
 
His performances last year under difficult conditions suggested to me that he has potential to be a very good test batsman, however, he seems to have reverted to type this season. There's only room for one of Buttler, Bairstow, and Roy in the test team.

It's not so much going at the ball with hard hands as much as it is with the instinct to play away from the body that has gotten all three into trouble against the full-pitched deliveries. They need to learn to play the ball under their eyes, which necessitates quick footwork and the alignment of the head with the hands. This will involve a great deal of self-control at the crease allied with hours of repetition training in the nets.

I personally feel that Buttler is probably more self-aware and committed to iron out these deficiencies than Roy and Bairstow. In fact, the number of minutes that he stayed at the crease in this recent test suggests to me that he is aware of these problems. That can't be said about the other two, who seem to have a knack for getting out the same way again and again.
 
His performances last year under difficult conditions suggested to me that he has potential to be a very good test batsman, however, he seems to have reverted to type this season. There's only room for one of Buttler, Bairstow, and Roy in the test team.

It's not so much going at the ball with hard hands as much as it is with the instinct to play away from the body that has gotten all three into trouble against the full-pitched deliveries. They need to learn to play the ball under their eyes, which necessitates quick footwork and the alignment of the head with the hands. This will involve a great deal of self-control at the crease allied with hours of repetition training in the nets.

I personally feel that Buttler is probably more self-aware and committed to iron out these deficiencies than Roy and Bairstow. In fact, the number of minutes that he stayed at the crease in this recent test suggests to me that he is aware of these problems. That can't be said about the other two, who seem to have a knack for getting out the same way again and again.

I don't agree, foakes as a specialist keeper, pope given a run and another specialist batsman, bairstow and buttler specially have had ample opportunity, buttler test record is inferior to moins
 
So failing in test cricket makes player bilateral bulley in odis ? Amazing analogy.

Dude did you have even bothered to check his record in 50 over worldcup?. He averages 34 with with bat in worldcup

When further analysis his stats look at his record against top team in worldcup
Against aus batting average 17
Against India batting average 20
Against nz batting average 24
Against Sa batting average 18
 
I still believe Buttler has potential to emerge a successful test cricketer. He needs to work a bit more on his defense game.

Felt the Ashes came too early for him post the World Cup celebration. The hangover of WC win meant him and a few other blokes in that side were not well prepared for the real test.

To me he looks like a limited overs batsmen at best. He looks like a naturally hard hitting batsmen used to up the scoring rate. Tests are a complete opposite to his playstyle. Both Roy and Butler should be dropped from the English test team if they wanna improve on Test cricket.
 
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He must be dropped now. He is not bringing anything to the team.
 
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