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Time for the kid to go unfortunately.
A recall is not entirely impossible, but he needs some time out.
A recall is not entirely impossible, but he needs some time out.
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Theres only room for one of Bairstow, Butler or Roy in this team, sadly Bairstow seems like the clear favorite in all departments at the moment.
I feel like out of the three Bairstrow can adapt in this format as he does play with soft hands. The other two need to go. They don’t play with soft hands.
Dude did you have even bothered to check his record in 50 over worldcup?. He averages 34 with with bat in worldcup
When further analysis his stats look at his record against top team in worldcup
Against aus batting a
verage 17
Against India batting average 20
Against nz batting average 24
Against Sa batting average 18
Lol you are just neat picking stats here which suits your agenda. By your logic pak odi great inzmam is also bilateral bullie because his worldcup record is ordinary.
Lol you are just neat picking stats here which suits your agenda. By your logic pak odi great inzmam is also bilateral bullie because his worldcup record is ordinary.
Inzi played in different era where bilateral odis have
significant meaning + run scoring for batsmen was extremely difficult at that time
If he was playing in current pitches where worldcup is held he would have much better record .butler have opportunity in 2015 and 2019 where pitches one of the most flat wickets in history of cricket but he failed both time
He should be persisted with IMO although as a wicket-keeper bat at 7 and not specialist bat. Get in a specialist bat at 5 or 6 ahead of Bairstow and play him at 7.
White ball cricketer his lack of technic and tempremant in longer version keeps been exposed.
Josh Buttler could have been history even from county crickets had he started career 25 years earlier.
He is very good at hitting through the line with planted feet & no footwork against spin. What is working now is his power & modern compressed bat on absolute belter of tracks with smaller boundaries. His lack of defensive technique isn’t exposed in LO because of the playing conditions and to his credit his hand-eye is outstanding, power is supreme and his wrists are steel made.
I can’t prove, but players like Buttler, Maxwell, Guptil, Munro, Roy, Ewan Lewis ... won’t have survived in international cricket for long had the ODI playing context remained in between 170-250; instead of 300+ (for English games 350+).
Back to the past - IPL didn’t help his red ball career much, I believe.
Bairstow is another player whose over exposure in white ball cricket has destroyed the very limited technic he had in red ball cricket.
Eventually, everyone will be back to their hut - no alternatives of two innings, red ball First Class cricket to develop this game. We are just passing through a phase where colourful cricket is shining. England’s biggest loss actually is Stokes in this circus - what an outstanding all-rounder he could have been.... instead now he is a part-time pacer and a 38 average batsman
Josh Buttler could have been history even from county crickets had he started career 25 years earlier.
He is very good at hitting through the line with planted feet & no footwork against spin. What is working now is his power & modern compressed bat on absolute belter of tracks with smaller boundaries. His lack of defensive technique isn’t exposed in LO because of the playing conditions and to his credit his hand-eye is outstanding, power is supreme and his wrists are steel made.
I can’t prove, but players like Buttler, Maxwell, Guptil, Munro, Roy, Ewan Lewis ... won’t have survived in international cricket for long had the ODI playing context remained in between 170-250; instead of 300+ (for English games 350+).
Back to the past - IPL didn’t help his red ball career much, I believe.
I think he is a mental midget. That's all i can say. He looks so nervous.
Buttler test stats are similar to his first class stats, moderate at best, if England are happy with that then fine, then there's foakes as an alternative,
One thing for certain buttler is no dohni, gilchrist, or sangakara in the long format
Maxwell would have survived. He is a little more complete, he has soft hands that help him play spinners better, and he also can bowl.
Agree with the rest of the list.
maxwell had the potential to be a test player. but he was not given enough chances and not properly coached.
i consider maxwell to be a massive underachiever
Another thing is even more sure, Dhoni was no Gilchrist or Sanga in the long format.
Dohni only averaged fractionally under 40 in tests, but his keeping was unblievable
Dohni only averaged fractionally under 40 in tests, but his keeping was unblievable
Statistically in tests he only missed slightly less chances (18%) than Kamran Akmal (20%).
What exactly is Buttler lacking which de Villiers had?
Buttler is a terrific player and his development has been stunted in Test cricket because he was given very few opportunities during his formative years.
When you see a truly special talent you back him in all formats even when he is not ready, because that experience will serve him better in the long run than sitting out of the team.
That is what South Africa did with de Villiers. They backed him at a young age even though he averaged in the mid 30’s after 30 odd Tests in the first three years of his Test career before he developed the temperament.
He kept throwing his wicket away and kept playing loose shots but South Africa persisted because he was capable of things others weren’t, and eventually he repaid the faith.
On the other hand, England gave Buttler sporadic chances until 2018 and never really believed that he was capable of becoming a Test class batsman.
Had he been a permanent member of the side right from his debut in 2014 until now, he would have been an accomplished Test player by now.
There is a fine line between an explosive match-winner and a wasteful player who lacks temperament. A lot depends on the environment the player grows up and how he is used by the management in his developmental years.
Buttler has clearly not been handled in the way his rich abilities deserved. Nevertheless, he is still very, very good for a wicket-keeper batsman and deserves to be in the team.
What exactly is Buttler lacking which de Villiers had?
I think he should be there till Srilankan tour,if he fails there Foakes must be pick as it will be fresh English summer to begin with.
Come on. He has played the last thirty tests off the reel.
I probably rarely agree with Mamoon but do so in this case. Butler is a special talent and England should have been able to get the best out of him in test cricket. Personally I think he should play as a specialist batsman at #5.The guy talks nonsense, if the name of the player was moeen ali or one of the Pakistani players then the argument would have been the opposite. He hyped Jos up once upon and his ego does not allow for him to go back on his statements.
I probably rarely agree with Mamoon but do so in this case. Butler is a special talent and England should have been able to get the best out of him in test cricket. Personally I think he should play as a specialist batsman at #5.
I probably rarely agree with Mamoon but do so in this case. Butler is a special talent and England should have been able to get the best out of him in test cricket. Personally I think he should play as a specialist batsman at #5.
Looking very dangerous!
53* in 24 balls so far vs SA in 3rd T20I
I think he is nearly as talented as de Villiers, and is in the same mould too. If he applies himself, there is no reason why he cannot become a brilliant player across all formats over the next decade.
"As talented as AB " - Sir Mamoon
There is a reason Buttler averages 32 over 106 first class games.Jos is one of our greatest-ever white-ball cricketers," Morgan told Sky Sports. "I realise why people talk about him so much, but not in a negative way. I think he has as much talent as someone like AB de Villiers.
"It took AB de Villiers a long time and a lot of games to actually get going in a South African shirt. We need to back guys that have that sort of talent, and Jos Buttler's been around a long time now, and we know when he delivers, we win games of cricket."
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...role-ahead-t20-world-cup-confirms-eoin-morgan
Morgan agrees. The only difference between Buttler and de Villiers is that the latter had the right support system at the right stage of his career.
It is too far late for Buttler to replicate de Villiers’ success in Test cricket, but at least he has a won a World Cup for his country.
Give him more chance, he never looked like in big trouble or struggling on pitch. Looks fluent, bat fluently, just need more confidence.