The Jos Buttler thread: a modern-day potential great but needs to be backed in all formats

Phenomenal inning by Jos Buttler, ending with a decision which was umpire's call.
 
2 minutes of silence for Pakistanis who said he is trash and not suited for test cricket :yk.
 
Players of his talent come along once in 50 years. He is as talented as de Villiers and Pietersen.
 
Big fan of jos buttler but honestly he is too inconsistent as a test batsman. as a pure test batsman he never deserves selection. unless he produces string of spectacular big Knocks in ongoing & upcoming series.

Imo he only merit's selection as wicket keeper batsman as long as he is consistent behind the wicket & consistently scores useful runs down the order.
 
Speaking on Sky:

"Absolutely (it feels great), a lot of relief as well. We turned up today still with a lot of belief. We knew it was going to be tough and Pakistan added some important runs this morning which was going to make it a tougher chase. But I thought the boys, especially Root and Sibley, got a nice partnership together and then I really enjoyed my partnership with Woakesy.

"(The plan was) to try and be busy really, especially after I saw the ball to Ollie Pope! I thought there were probably enough balls in the wicket to take wickets and we would have to try and score runs. I tried to break it down into a bit of a one-day chase and try and score at four-an-over. If we managed that we'd take the second new ball out of the equation because if we left ourselves with too many to get against that then it might be tough. We got some nice momentum going and managed to put on a good partnership."
 
Butler proved why X-factor players are so important and need backing in all formats. This is the reason I believe players like Pant & Pandya need backing for India as they are also match winners. Still remember how people were brushing Butler off as IPL star initially but ECB persisted with him.
 
Butler proved why X-factor players are so important and need backing in all formats. This is the reason I believe players like Pant & Pandya need backing for India as they are also match winners. Still remember how people were brushing Butler off as IPL star initially but ECB persisted with him.

Lol at Pant and Pandya as match winners. May be not playing in IPL this year helped Buttler regroup himself? I am pretty sure Buttler will remember this test inning more than any IPL match he has played in. He can say exactly the opposite once he lands in UAE to fool IPL fans again though. :inti
 
Buttler is a seriously good player. He has underachieved in tests. But you can see why England have stuck with him.
 
ok. well I am surprised. He is indeed a good player. In home conditions. Still has a glaring weakness vs a proper short ball as do most English players.
 
pant may be talented but he has serious temperamental critical mental* issues to resolve in order to become a great test batsman
 
Lol at Pant and Pandya as match winners. May be not playing in IPL this year helped Buttler regroup himself? I am pretty sure Buttler will remember this test inning more than any IPL match he has played in. He can say exactly the opposite once he lands in UAE to fool IPL fans again though. :inti

He played similar innings against Pakistan in 2018 too just after IPL. The point is players with x-factors must be backed because they will reap long term benefits. Many on this forum tried to give him a pass saying he is just T20 specialist but kudos to England team for backing him. Pant and Pandya needs similar backing too from Indian team management.
 
This innings is great, should keep him in the team until the next Ashes which will be much easier with him in the team
 
Jos Buttler admitted he thought he may have played his last Test after the England wicketkeeper atoned for a poor display with the gloves by starring with the bat in a three-wicket win over Pakistan at Old Trafford. England had slumped to 117-5 chasing a stiff target of 277 on Saturday's fourth day. But a sixth-wicket stand of 139 between Buttler, who made 75 on his Lancashire home ground, and Chris Woakes, 84 not out, turned the tide. England, however, might not have been chasing so many had Buttler, whose Test-match keeping has long been a hot topic, not dropped Shan Masood and then missed a chance to stump him when the opener was on 45 during Pakistan's first innings.

Masood went on to make a Test-best 156 to help Pakistan establish a lead of over a hundred runs.

"I'm quite proud, if I take those chances, we'd have won two hours ago," Buttler told reporters.

"I'm very aware I didn't keep well, I missed some chances and at this level you can't afford to do that, no matter how many runs you score."

"Thoughts go through your head that if I don't score any runs, I've maybe played my last game.

"But you have to shut those out and go and play your game."

Both Buttler, a proven white-ball batsman, and Woakes were members of the England side that won the 50-over World Cup last year.

"We tried to break it down into a bit of a one-day chase, and scored at four an over, to take the second new ball out of the equation," said Buttler.

"We got some nice momentum going and had a good partnership."

- 'Mentally strong' -

Buttler was also having to contend with the fact that his father had been admitted to hospital on Friday, although he has since been discharged.

England captain Joe Root, a longstanding defender of Buttler's place in the Test side, was delighted to see him play a key innings in difficult circumstances.

"It says a huge amount about him as a person to carry all of that and be able to either use it, or park it," said Root. "Only he will know which way he did that.

"It shows how mentally strong he is more than anything, but also how skilful. One of Jos' big traits is when he's under pressure he puts in big performances. He can deal with high-pressure."

When Buttler was out for 75, England still needed 21 more runs to win.

Woakes, however, saw them home to a three-wicket victory when he edged a boundary off fast bowler Shaheen Afridi.

"In a way (being 117-5) made up our minds for us, it played into our hands in the end," said player of the match Woakes after compiling his highest Test score since an unbeaten century against India at Lord's two years ago.

When Woakes was left out of the first Test during England's 2-1 series win over the West Indies last month, it reinforced his reputation as a 'nearly man'.

But he has since been in fine form with the ball before Saturday's innings ended a modest run of scores with the bat at Test level.

"He's so, so consistent," said Root. "On and off the field he is someone you can always trust to deliver exactly what you want.

"Over the last couple of years he just keeps improving and he's almost on another level."

England's victory saw them halt a run of five successive defeats in the first Test of a series and put them 1-0 up in this three-match campaign ahead of next week's clash with Pakistan in Southampton.

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/england-star-jos-buttler-feared-he-had-played-last-test-2276574
 
He generally does well Vs India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

I will play him as specialist batsmen in subcontinent and as keeper bat outside Asia.
 
I’m still not convinced that Buttler’s game is cut out in the longer term for Test cricket, but in this match there can be no doubt that he demonstrated tremendous mental strength. He has secured his place for the next couple of series with yesterday’s impressive innings. This moment needs to be the turning point in his Test career.
 
I don’t believe in “mental strength” [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION]. I think he was able to think of his innings as an ODI, and that helped him get his head clear and relaxed so his skills could flow.
 
Shane Warne says Jos Buttler should "always" be picked in England's Test team after his superb innings of 75 helped England chase 277 to clinch a memorable win over Pakistan at Emirates Old Trafford.

Buttler's place in the England side had been called into question after making a number of wicketkeeping errors in the first #raisethebat Test and having only scored one Test ton in his 45 caps, back in 2018.

But Buttler's counter-attacking innings on Saturday, striking seven boundaries and one six in his 101-ball knock, is precisely why Warne would have him as one of the first names on the team sheet.

"He should always be in the side," Warne told Sky Sports. "Jos is a very good and reliable keeper but, occasionally, you're going to have a few bad days - it wasn't easy out there, either.

"But Jos should always be in your side because of what he's capable of, with the bat especially.

"And then his keeping, he's a good leader among the team as well - there's a calmness about him - he's the whole package.

"He's always one of the first pencilled in for me."

Warne also believe Buttler's confident attitude at the crease helped rub off on Chris Woakes, who struck a match-winning unbeaten 84 after having averaged only 5.22 in his last six Tests with the bat.

"What really impressed me with Buttler was the way he went about it, he trusted himself, said 'I'm the man, I'm going to get this done'," added Warne.

"He just played beautifully; and that helped Woakes at the other end, who had been struggling for form, but came in and played extremely well.

"I'm very happy for Woakes and, in particular, Buttler. It was a fantastic chase, against a quality attack, on a good pitch.

"It's a special win and one the players will be very proud of. The best thing I saw from England is it was a real 'character' win."

Echoing Warne's comments, Sky Sports' Nasser Hussain believes England's pursuit of Pakistan's 277-runs target helped Buttler treat it like a one-day game, in which he averages over 40 and has nine hundreds for England.

"We discussed how England should go about it, and it was all about tempo," said Hussain. "It helped Jos that he had to almost go into one-day mode.

"We've seen some of his great one-day innings', like the one he played here [at Old Trafford] against Australia, when he goes into one-day mode he is unstoppable.

"That game was not won [for Pakistan] until they got Buttler out and, by the time they did, it was done and dusted."

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...ways-be-in-england-test-side-says-shane-warne
 
I don’t believe in “mental strength” [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION]. I think he was able to think of his innings as an ODI, and that helped him get his head clear and relaxed so his skills could flow.

Well whichever it is — it shows that he is a thinker. He reflects on his performance between innings, plans how he is going to approach his next knock, and uses his brain when he is out in the middle. This is a positive quality.
 
After a disappointing period of 23 inngs with just a solitary 50, Buttler has had a nice finish to the summer with three 50s & involved in three crucial partnerships.

140 from 122/4 with Pope vs WI
139 from 117/5 chasing 277 vs Pak
130 & counting with Crawley this Test
 
Buttler 69* (121), playing a very important hand and showing what he's capable of in Test cricket. This partnership with Crawley has completely taken the game away from Pakistan.
 
He's been a bit like QdK in the sense of struggling to find the right tempo for tests. They are both pure instinct players and the slow pace of tests messes with their heads.
 
Buttler brings up his 2nd Test century off 189 balls, continuing his great run of form.
 
Test career well and truly saved now! Two innings ago he was on the point of being dropped.
 
Well played Buttler! And well played ECB!

Both innings coming up when mattered. Is that a player of the series performance from him?
 
I am more interested in England's future team selection now. Their next test tours are India and Sri Lanka (possibly).

After the performances of Buttler and Crawley, it is unlikely that they will be dropped. England will have Stokes back in the side. But will Buttler continue to keep gloves in the subcontinent? Still enough time for England to figure out.
 
We will see if his keeping has come back up to test standard over the next couple of days.
 
I am more interested in England's future team selection now. Their next test tours are India and Sri Lanka (possibly).

After the performances of Buttler and Crawley, it is unlikely that they will be dropped. England will have Stokes back in the side. But will Buttler continue to keep gloves in the subcontinent? Still enough time for England to figure out.

It’s going to be

Burns
Sibley
Crawley
Root (capt.)
Stokes
Pope
Buttler (w)
Bess
Broad
Archer or Wood
Leach

I’d like to see Moeen again, but he seems to has lost confidence.
 
Buttler's scores this series: 38, 75, 0*, 152 (Avg 88)

How generous again of Pakistan to save yet another career :)
 
Buttler previous 40 innings average: 29

Buttler average this series: 88
 
He owes Azhar Ali......for getting him back to form.

Seriously though, that was a brilliant innings today. He made it look so easy out there.
 
He owes Azhar Ali......for getting him back to form.

Seriously though, that was a brilliant innings today. He made it look so easy out there.

He owns no one nothing. He is the best player in the world in my opinion. He makes batting looks so simple and has no glaring weakness.
 
It is criminal how badly he has been handled by ECB. It appears that neither England nor Somerset recognized his incredible batting potential.

He should have been a top 3 Test batsman in the world today. He is in the same class as the likes of de Villiers and a Pietersen.

Should never have been distracted with gloves and should have been molded into a top-order batsman.


Insanely talented batsman. He is hand-eye coordination, balance and bat speed are every bit as good as a batsman with 10k Test runs. The only thing he lacks to an extent is temperament, and that should have been drilled into him by now.
 
His innings yesterday was sensational. He was making batting look easy on a pitch that was not a typical T20 pitch.
 
It is criminal how badly he has been handled by ECB. It appears that neither England nor Somerset recognized his incredible batting potential.

He should have been a top 3 Test batsman in the world today. He is in the same class as the likes of de Villiers and a Pietersen.

Should never have been distracted with gloves and should have been molded into a top-order batsman.


Insanely talented batsman. He is hand-eye coordination, balance and bat speed are every bit as good as a batsman with 10k Test runs. The only thing he lacks to an extent is temperament, and that should have been drilled into him by now.

He was at Somerset. He left them because he wasn't going to get a chance to be a wicket keeper there. So that is why he is now at Lancashire.

He didn't help himself. He should have stayed at Somerset and said I would like to be a full time batter. If England continued to play him as a keeper than he couldn't do much.
 
Jods Buttler has moved from 40th to 28th in the latest T20I Player Rankings update.
 
England star batsman Jos Buttler announced on Sunday that he will not be a part of Rajasthan Royals’ opening game of the 13th edition of Indian Premier League against Chennai Super Kings which takes place on Tuesday. Buttler, who arrived in Dubai, UAE, along with his family, is required to spend time in a mandatory quarantine period.

“I’m unfortunately going to miss the first match for Rajasthan because I’m going to be doing my quarantine period because I’m here with my family - which is great that the Royals have allowed me to have my family out here,” Buttler informed fans in an Instagram live uploaded on the official Royals’ handle.

“It’ll be a huge help in lockdown having my family here with me,” the England cricketer further added.

Around 21 players from England and Australia reached  Dubai earlier this week after completing the limited-overs series in the UK, which concluded on September 16th. The players were required to spend 36 hours in quarantine as per the BCCI guidelines, instead of the six days, because they were already placed in a bio-secure environment in the UK.

All the players arrived on a chartered flight in the UAE. But Buttler is required to spend an entire period of six days in quarantine because he came on a different flight with his family.

Buttler is an important player for Royals. Compatriots Jofra Archer and Ben Stokes are also part of the team. Star all-rounder Stokes’ participation in the tournament is also in doubt as he is spending his time with his ailing father in New Zealand. He is expected to miss a few games at least in the first half of the tournament.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...requirement/story-UMES841ERgk0qrydSRQZYP.html
 
Currently on 59* off 39 balls to keep RR in with a chance of chasing vs Mumbai Indians.
 
Jos Buttler smashing it against England in the 3rd T20I - his IPL training coming to good use!
 
A truly magnificent all format cricketer.

Foakes is a better keeper but he averaged 15 in India series. Buttler would have averaged 40.
 
Foakes is a bog average cricketer with overhyped wicket-keeping skills. Buttler is levels above him in Test cricket and of course there is no comparison whatsoever when it comes to white ball cricket.

Jos Buttler is one of the elite players in world cricket who would walk into any side in the world. He is a diamond for English cricket.
 
I’m in awe of his timing and his shot range. Absolutely ridiculously talented. Moving him to open in T20s was a good move by England.
 
A truly magnificent all format cricketer.

Foakes is a better keeper but he averaged 15 in India series. Buttler would have averaged 40.

Hes one of the best wicket keeper batsman in t20s/odis but in tests hes not even in the top 5
 
A truly magnificent all format cricketer.

Foakes is a better keeper but he averaged 15 in India series. Buttler would have averaged 40.

What are you basing that statement on? Slogging on flat decks in T20?

He might have dropped a bunch of catches. I am really not fond of these batsmen-backstops who average only 35 anyway.
 
Foakes is a bog average cricketer with overhyped wicket-keeping skills. Buttler is levels above him in Test cricket and of course there is no comparison whatsoever when it comes to white ball cricket.

Jos Buttler is one of the elite players in world cricket who would walk into any side in the world. He is a diamond for English cricket.

Below average keeper, and mediocre at batting in tests.
 
Below average keeper, and mediocre at batting in tests.

Buttler saved England from embarrassing in the home season last year and vindicated the faith ECB showed in him. He was the best English batsman on show and will have another great home season in 2021.

Clearly a bigger impact player than Foakes with far greater presence at the crease and impact on the opposition.

There is not a single bowling attack or a captain that would prefer to bowl to Buttler rather than Foakes, and that is why Ed Smith will always pick Buttler when he’s available regardless of the incessant pro-Foakes propaganda by some people.
 
Buttler saved England from embarrassing in the home season last year and vindicated the faith ECB showed in him. He was the best English batsman on show and will have another great home season in 2021.

Clearly a bigger impact player than Foakes with far greater presence at the crease and impact on the opposition.

There is not a single bowling attack or a captain that would prefer to bowl to Buttler rather than Foakes, and that is why Ed Smith will always pick Buttler when he’s available regardless of the incessant pro-Foakes propaganda by some people.

Picking the best available keeper is not “propaganda”, it’s intelligence.

Buttler keeps dropping catches and giving world class oppo extra innings. Any runs he makes in tests he gives away.

Buttler only averages 35 to Foakes’ 31 anyway. It’s not like he is Gilchrist or ABDV with the bat.
 
Picking the best available keeper is not “propaganda”, it’s intelligence.

Buttler keeps dropping catches and giving world class oppo extra innings. Any runs he makes in tests he gives away.

Buttler only averages 35 to Foakes’ 31 anyway. It’s not like he is Gilchrist or ABDV with the bat.

It's a matter of opinion given that Buttler has improved considerably as a keeper over the past year or so, sure he'll still fluff the odd chance, but that kind of player can always win a test for the team from nowhere, as happened at Old Trafford against Pakistan last summer.

Foakes is a great keeper, but his performance in India with the bat was workmanlike and he didn't add so significantly with the gloves to make a compelling case for a long-term spot in the XI. He will likely have a couple of tests against New Zealand to make his case.

Nonetheless, the debate is not as cut and dried as you are implying.
 
It's a matter of opinion given that Buttler has improved considerably as a keeper over the past year or so, sure he'll still fluff the odd chance, but that kind of player can always win a test for the team from nowhere, as happened at Old Trafford against Pakistan last summer.

Foakes is a great keeper, but his performance in India with the bat was workmanlike and he didn't add so significantly with the gloves to make a compelling case for a long-term spot in the XI. He will likely have a couple of tests against New Zealand to make his case.

Nonetheless, the debate is not as cut and dried as you are implying.

He dropped three catches in one test innings last summer.

Two centuries in fifty tests is a bad return. Compare with Prior who hit seven centuries and was a better keeper.

He isn’t test class either with bat or gloves.
 
Picking the best available keeper is not “propaganda”, it’s intelligence.

Buttler keeps dropping catches and giving world class oppo extra innings. Any runs he makes in tests he gives away.

Buttler only averages 35 to Foakes’ 31 anyway. It’s not like he is Gilchrist or ABDV with the bat.
We picked Pant over Saha who is a much better keeper but it actually helped us.
So picking best keeper is a thing of the past, there's no place for specialist keepers in this era.
Buttler is a competent keeper and a counter attacking batsman, that's more than enough.
 
He dropped three catches in one test innings last summer.

Two centuries in fifty tests is a bad return. Compare with Prior who hit seven centuries and was a better keeper.

He isn’t test class either with bat or gloves.

He kept excellently under difficult conditions in Sri Lanka and the first test in Chennai. He has obviously worked hard on his keeping since those drops against Pakistan, it's ironic that he redeemed himself by winning that test with the bat.

It's utter hyperbole to state he's not test class.
 
He dropped three catches in one test innings last summer.

Two centuries in fifty tests is a bad return. Compare with Prior who hit seven centuries and was a better keeper.

He isn’t test class either with bat or gloves.
Foakes dropped two in a single innings in this tour.
 
Foakes dropped two in a single innings in this tour.

Probably knew his days are numbered and took a high risk strategy to showcase his skills.

Standing up to Broad was risky. Not even the great Knott stood up to FM bowlers.
 
Drop Malan for Hales who can open with Roy, Butler can come in 1 down with Stokes at no.4.
 
Probably knew his days are numbered and took a high risk strategy to showcase his skills.

Standing up to Broad was risky. Not even the great Knott stood up to FM bowlers.

This is what I call pro-Foakes propaganda. Even his family won’t come up with such a ludicrous excuse.

Buttler averages 50 with the bat since the home summer last year. Foakes averaged 15 in India.

Buttler is clearly the better WK batsman and will remain first-choice. No one rates a journeyman like Foakes who will be quickly forgotten after his retirement like Geraint Jones and Chris Read.

Buttler will remembered for a very long time as one of the most high impact English cricketers in the modern era.
 
This is what I call pro-Foakes propaganda. Even his family won’t come up with such a ludicrous excuse.

Buttler averages 50 with the bat since the home summer last year. Foakes averaged 15 in India.

Buttler is clearly the better WK batsman and will remain first-choice. No one rates a journeyman like Foakes who will be quickly forgotten after his retirement like Geraint Jones and Chris Read.

Buttler will remembered for a very long time as one of the most high impact English cricketers in the modern era.

Except that he said it himself. He knew he only had the three matches. See, I am better informed than you give me credit for.

As for Buttler - he won’t, unless he starts piling on the test centuries. Two in fifty tests. Foakes has one in eight. “Impact” means nothing unless it is backed up by runs and stumpings.
 
Except that he said it himself. He knew he only had the three matches. See, I am better informed than you give me credit for.

As for Buttler - he won’t, unless he starts piling on the test centuries. Two in fifty tests. Foakes has one in eight. “Impact” means nothing unless it is backed up by runs and stumpings.

If he said it himself then he needs to come up with a better excuse to justify the dropped chances. His reputation as some unflappable keeper did not hold up in India.

I don’t question or judge how informed you are but you clearly have an axe to grind against Buttler and refuse to acknowledge that he is a better all-round cricketer than Foakes.
 
Stats aside, Jossy is an incredible cricketer.

Only question is whether he will have a great test career to match the incredible legacy of ABD.
 
He dropped three catches in one test innings last summer.

Two centuries in fifty tests is a bad return. Compare with Prior who hit seven centuries and was a better keeper.

He isn’t test class either with bat or gloves.

I would take buttler over foakes and prior over both of them any day of the week
 
Play Stokes at 3 and bring Sam Billings at 6.

I'd still buy that as the lower order would be strengthened, I leaned towards Hales due to how destructive he can be in the power play and have faith in Morgan to finish at the end, but he still needs a bit of support which would be the risk; that's why Billings or Mo coming in is probably a lot more likely in the event we don't play Malan, Hales could still get selected for the World T20 but I see him playing if there is an injury or a top order bat is woefully out of nick
 
124 in 64 balls - amazing from Buttler in the RR vs SRH clash at IPL 2021
 
After playing a match-winning knock of 124 against SunRisers Hyderabad in the Indian Premier League (IPL), Rajasthan Royals batsman Jos Buttler said that this innings of his is right there up at the top in terms of his finest in the shortest format of the game.

Buttler's masterful 124-run knock was followed by a spirited bowling performance as Rajasthan Royals (RR) defeated SunRisers Hyderabad (SRH) by 55 runs here at the Arun Jaitley Stadium on Sunday. For RR, Chris Morris and Mustafizur Rahman scalped three wickets each. With this win, Rajasthan has moved to the fifth spot with 6 points from 7 games.

"It is certainly up there, it is my first hundred in T20 cricket. I am delighted, I would say that I did not fill my fluent self throughout, I have certainly felt better at the crease for a while now, I have been searching for something, everyday is a new opportunity. Really enjoyed today, nice to spend some time in the middle and get back to my best," said Buttler during a virtual post-match news conference.

"The whole game of cricket is managing risk and when to take your options. At certain times, you get feel for a certain bowler, in the first six overs, there are two fielders outside the inner circle, so if you could play good shots and find the gaps, you can score well," he added.

Earlier, Buttler and Sanju Samson starred with the bat as Rajasthan Royals posted a score of 220/3 in the allotted twenty overs. Buttler and Samson played knocks of 124 and 48 respectively for the Royals. Riyan Parag also played a useful cameo of 15 runs from eight balls. For SRH, Rashid Khan, Sandeep Sharma, and Vijay Shankar returned with one wicket each.

"Today, I felt like that the pitch was on a lower side and there was not too much pace so I thought the scoop shots or shots behind the wicket will not be that valuable so I thought targeting the straighter boundary would be a nice option," said Buttler.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...124-run-knock-of-mine-says-jos-buttler/752047
 
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He's a different level to anything Pakistan has.

In terms of power, timing, shot range and ability to innovate.

But most importantly he is equally comfortable against spin or pace or medium-pace rubbish.
 
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