marlonbrowndo
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Should play as a specialist batsman in Test cricket
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Butler proved why X-factor players are so important and need backing in all formats. This is the reason I believe players like Pant & Pandya need backing for India as they are also match winners. Still remember how people were brushing Butler off as IPL star initially but ECB persisted with him.
Lol at Pant and Pandya as match winners. May be not playing in IPL this year helped Buttler regroup himself? I am pretty sure Buttler will remember this test inning more than any IPL match he has played in. He can say exactly the opposite once he lands in UAE to fool IPL fans again though.
pant may be talented but he has serious temperamental critical mental* issues to resolve in order to become a great test batsman
I don’t believe in “mental strength” [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION]. I think he was able to think of his innings as an ODI, and that helped him get his head clear and relaxed so his skills could flow.
I am more interested in England's future team selection now. Their next test tours are India and Sri Lanka (possibly).
After the performances of Buttler and Crawley, it is unlikely that they will be dropped. England will have Stokes back in the side. But will Buttler continue to keep gloves in the subcontinent? Still enough time for England to figure out.
He owes Azhar Ali......for getting him back to form.
Seriously though, that was a brilliant innings today. He made it look so easy out there.
It is criminal how badly he has been handled by ECB. It appears that neither England nor Somerset recognized his incredible batting potential.
He should have been a top 3 Test batsman in the world today. He is in the same class as the likes of de Villiers and a Pietersen.
Should never have been distracted with gloves and should have been molded into a top-order batsman.
Insanely talented batsman. He is hand-eye coordination, balance and bat speed are every bit as good as a batsman with 10k Test runs. The only thing he lacks to an extent is temperament, and that should have been drilled into him by now.
A truly magnificent all format cricketer.
Foakes is a better keeper but he averaged 15 in India series. Buttler would have averaged 40.
A truly magnificent all format cricketer.
Foakes is a better keeper but he averaged 15 in India series. Buttler would have averaged 40.
Foakes is a bog average cricketer with overhyped wicket-keeping skills. Buttler is levels above him in Test cricket and of course there is no comparison whatsoever when it comes to white ball cricket.
Jos Buttler is one of the elite players in world cricket who would walk into any side in the world. He is a diamond for English cricket.
Below average keeper, and mediocre at batting in tests.
Buttler saved England from embarrassing in the home season last year and vindicated the faith ECB showed in him. He was the best English batsman on show and will have another great home season in 2021.
Clearly a bigger impact player than Foakes with far greater presence at the crease and impact on the opposition.
There is not a single bowling attack or a captain that would prefer to bowl to Buttler rather than Foakes, and that is why Ed Smith will always pick Buttler when he’s available regardless of the incessant pro-Foakes propaganda by some people.
Picking the best available keeper is not “propaganda”, it’s intelligence.
Buttler keeps dropping catches and giving world class oppo extra innings. Any runs he makes in tests he gives away.
Buttler only averages 35 to Foakes’ 31 anyway. It’s not like he is Gilchrist or ABDV with the bat.
It's a matter of opinion given that Buttler has improved considerably as a keeper over the past year or so, sure he'll still fluff the odd chance, but that kind of player can always win a test for the team from nowhere, as happened at Old Trafford against Pakistan last summer.
Foakes is a great keeper, but his performance in India with the bat was workmanlike and he didn't add so significantly with the gloves to make a compelling case for a long-term spot in the XI. He will likely have a couple of tests against New Zealand to make his case.
Nonetheless, the debate is not as cut and dried as you are implying.
We picked Pant over Saha who is a much better keeper but it actually helped us.Picking the best available keeper is not “propaganda”, it’s intelligence.
Buttler keeps dropping catches and giving world class oppo extra innings. Any runs he makes in tests he gives away.
Buttler only averages 35 to Foakes’ 31 anyway. It’s not like he is Gilchrist or ABDV with the bat.
He dropped three catches in one test innings last summer.
Two centuries in fifty tests is a bad return. Compare with Prior who hit seven centuries and was a better keeper.
He isn’t test class either with bat or gloves.
Foakes dropped two in a single innings in this tour.He dropped three catches in one test innings last summer.
Two centuries in fifty tests is a bad return. Compare with Prior who hit seven centuries and was a better keeper.
He isn’t test class either with bat or gloves.
Foakes dropped two in a single innings in this tour.
Drop Malan for Hales who can open with Roy, Butler can come in 1 down with Stokes at no.4.
Probably knew his days are numbered and took a high risk strategy to showcase his skills.
Standing up to Broad was risky. Not even the great Knott stood up to FM bowlers.
This is what I call pro-Foakes propaganda. Even his family won’t come up with such a ludicrous excuse.
Buttler averages 50 with the bat since the home summer last year. Foakes averaged 15 in India.
Buttler is clearly the better WK batsman and will remain first-choice. No one rates a journeyman like Foakes who will be quickly forgotten after his retirement like Geraint Jones and Chris Read.
Buttler will remembered for a very long time as one of the most high impact English cricketers in the modern era.
Except that he said it himself. He knew he only had the three matches. See, I am better informed than you give me credit for.
As for Buttler - he won’t, unless he starts piling on the test centuries. Two in fifty tests. Foakes has one in eight. “Impact” means nothing unless it is backed up by runs and stumpings.
He dropped three catches in one test innings last summer.
Two centuries in fifty tests is a bad return. Compare with Prior who hit seven centuries and was a better keeper.
He isn’t test class either with bat or gloves.
Play Stokes at 3 and bring Sam Billings at 6.