The Legacy Challenge: Why Children and Nephews of famous cricketers often struggle to match their predecessors?

[mominsaigol]

Just a few examples I can think of

1) Arjun Tendulkar: Ik hes an allrounder but considering his predecessor is literally the top 3 greatest batsmen/cricketers of all time, you would think we'd have a generational allrounder at our doorstep but he wouldn't make it into any SENA side atm let alone team India.

2) Imam ul Haq: utterly shameful and a disgrace to his uncle as a batsmen.

3) Usman Qadir: Abdul Qadir was a decent spinner, his son can't even make into a side that literally makes players like Rizwan their captain.

4) Faham ul Haq: Ik people dislike Misbah, but Misbah is leagues ahead of his kid. Faham won't ever reach those levels even if he reaches his prime.

5) Rohan Gavaskar: He's so forgettable, i completly forgot he actually played for India a couple of times. Infact I forgot that sunny has kids .

6) Stuart Binny: Tbf, his father is pretty forgettable as a cricketer, but he's somehow even more forgettable

 

[karthikc]

It's unfair to compare them with their father or immediate relatives. Maybe they didnt have to struggle that much..

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Because they get free rides instead of earning the real deal.

 

[Rana]

Just a few examples I can think of

1) Arjun Tendulkar: Ik hes an allrounder but considering his predecessor is literally the top 3 greatest batsmen/cricketers of all time, you would think we'd have a generational allrounder at our doorstep but he wouldn't make it into any SENA side atm let alone team India.

2) Imam ul Haq: utterly shameful and a disgrace to his uncle as a batsmen.

3) Usman Qadir: Abdul Qadir was a decent spinner, his son can't even make into a side that literally makes players like Rizwan their captain.

4) Faham ul Haq: Ik people dislike Misbah, but Misbah is leagues ahead of his kid. Faham won't ever reach those levels even if he reaches his prime.

5) Rohan Gavaskar: He's so forgettable, i completly forgot he actually played for India a couple of times. Infact I forgot that sunny has kids .

6) Stuart Binny: Tbf, his father is pretty forgettable as a cricketer, but he's somehow even more forgettable

They might have the gene that is good enough to make them play in the era their father/uncle played in,

But cricket evolved from that time, and this then leads to the question of whether their father or uncle would have evolved and adapted with the shifting of time?

We saw in the case of Misbah ul Haq that he stubbornly refused to adapt whilst teams and players from other nations were changing their style of play to become accustomed to modern requirements.

We cannot be sure about Inzimam, his quality is a batter in the 90s-early 2000s was for all to see. Would the same Inzimam adapt to the modern requirements of a sr of 100 in this era in ODI cricket?

Same with Usman Qadir. He is a good spinner and is OK for an era where Batsman were more than tentative to take on a leggie with a strong googly, and where shots like the reverse sweep were not second nature rather an anomaly. Would the great Qadir sab be the same bowler he was in the 80-s in this era of advanced cricket bats, audacious strokemakers who have no fear?

 

[mominsaigol]

It's unfair to compare them with their father or immediate relatives. Maybe they didnt have to struggle that much..

It doesn't make much sense. Not every nepo baby is successful but I'd assume that if you're the child of someone great, you'd atleast be better then others due to early childhood facilities you've been provided.

In US and Australia and european countries it's very common for the children of doctors to become world class doctors or the children of PHD researchers to be great at researching or children of actors/actress to be great at acting.

For example i don't think Ronaldo's son will match his dad success but he will definitely be a good footballer since despite being young he's already recieved training that most footballers do not recieve at that age. Even academy level footballers at that age don't have access to a mentor like Ronaldo who can oversea diet, nutrition, and teach his son technique and fundamentals that even most world class coaches would not know.

So I'd imagine someone like Imam ul Haq would have atleast been half as good as Inzi and if not atleast be a power brute like inzi. We can't even call imam a cheap knock off?

 

[mominsaigol]

They might have the gene that is good enough to make them play in the era their father/uncle played in,

But cricket evolved from that time, and this then leads to the question of whether their father or uncle would have evolved and adapted with the shifting of time?

We saw in the case of Misbah ul Haq that he stubbornly refused to adapt whilst teams and players from other nations were changing their style of play to become accustomed to modern requirements.

We cannot be sure about Inzimam, his quality is a batter in the 90s-early 2000s was for all to see. Would the same Inzimam adapt to the modern requirements of a sr of 100 in this era in ODI cricket?

Same with Usman Qadir. He is a good spinner and is OK for an era where Batsman were more than tentative to take on a leggie with a strong googly, and where shots like the reverse sweep were not second nature rather an anomaly. Would the great Qadir sab be the same bowler he was in the 80-s in this era of advanced cricket bats, audacious strokemakers who have no fear?

Yes and no.

Firstly Inzimam was always naturally aggressive as a batsmen. He'd find this era easier to bat in whiteball and would adapt. If he was playing such knocks in 1992 which was unheard of that time, I don't see why he wouldn't adapt to such conditons.

Besides he's played knocks at 100sr before on flat track pitches. It's just most conditons were tough + some situations he came under especially against India weren't easy, he couldn't just bash for no reason, he had to anchor. Anchoring was important in that era. It's important now as well but not as much, only in collapses due to era changing.

You would think Imam would atleast he similar to his uncle in playstyle atleast but he isn't, imam's style of batting is unacceptable for any era period.

As for Qadir, Abdul Qadir is outdated, that part i agree on however usman qadir is born in this era, not the past and the standards of bowling are still the same. If you're a good bowler then you can't be attacked that easily irrespective of the era. I can confidently say mcgrath or pollock would shine in this era.

Yes they'd have slightly higher economy rates in odi and possibly less wickets but they'd still be top tier in this era.

 

[nish_mate]

OTOH you have Amarnaths, Marshs, Broads, Singhs of this world as well...

 

[Major]

Why should they be expected to be good?

Remember, their parent or uncle cricketers made it to the team by competing with more than 10k or even more other cricketers.

So when you take their offsprings you would also put them against the other 10k and see who wins the rat race.

At the same time, there are guys like Abdullah Shafique and Fawad Alam whose father's werent good enough to play international cricket but their children did.

 

[mominsaigol]

Why should they be expected to be good?

Remember, their parent or uncle cricketers made it to the team by competing with more than 10k or even more other cricketers.

So when you take their offsprings you would also put them against the other 10k and see who wins the rat race.

At the same time, there are guys like Abdullah Shafique and Fawad Alam whose father's werent good enough to play international cricket but their children did.

The thing is, shouldn't they get advantages?

Ronaldo's son likely won't be as good as his dad but he'll be better then alot of players solely because he

A) Started training at a very high level at a much younger age compared to most who are playing club level at best

B) Access to world class diet, coaching and football technique fundamentals, ronaldo is literally the best coach possible.

I'd imagine someone like arjun Tendulkar atleast being 10% as good as Sachin but he atm isn't even 1% of Marco Jansen as a batsmen and bowler. He's an awful awful allrounder.

So genuine question, do their parents not coach them? And if so? Why are they even playing at an IPL league level or ranji trophy level?

 

[Rana]

At the same time, there are guys like Abdullah Shafique and Fawad Alam whose father's werent good enough to play international cricket but their children did

Yeah I think Abdullah Shafique like his father isn’t good enough to play international cricket

 

[Major]

The thing is, shouldn't they get advantages?

Ronaldo's son likely won't be as good as his dad but he'll be better then alot of players solely because he

A) Started training at a very high level at a much younger age compared to most who are playing club level at best

B) Access to world class diet, coaching and football technique fundamentals, ronaldo is literally the best coach possible.

I'd imagine someone like arjun Tendulkar atleast being 10% as good as Sachin but he atm isn't even 1% of Marco Jansen as a batsmen and bowler. He's an awful awful allrounder.

So genuine question, do their parents not coach them? And if so? Why are they even playing at an IPL league level or ranji trophy level?

They do get an advantage and that advantage is they get to play professional cricket easily due to their father or uncles contacts.

When i say professional cricket this means grade 2, first class and domestic cricket where you get paid to play cricket.

But when it comes to international, the playing field is same. The father and uncle fought amongst 10k cricketers to reach the top, so it will be same for the children who have to fight 10k other cricketers if they want to be considered good enough.

 

[Major]

Yeah I think Abdullah Shafique like his father isn’t good enough to play international cricket

Well Abdullah did play a world cup which his father never go to do. So he was good enough to get an international cap.

I didnt say he was a great.

 

[Rana]

Well Abdullah did play a world cup which his father never go to do. So he was good enough to get an international cap.

I didnt say he was a great.

Even Rizwan played a World Cup.

 

[Major]

Btw Faham is an u19 cricketer, abit to early to make judgements against his career like that. That would be like bashing Ali Razzaq or Inzis son.

A better example would be the grandsons of Hanif Mohammad, or Faisal Iqbal.

 

[Major]

Even Rizwan played a World Cup.

You are not understanding the point.

I said good enough to play international cricket.

You are comprehending good towards being a legend of the game

 

[Rana]

Btw Faham is an u19 cricketer, abit to early to make judgements against his career like that. That would be like bashing Ali Razzaq or Inzis son.

A better example would be the grandsons of Hanif Mohammad, or Faisal Iqbal.

Shoaib Mohammad was a good Pakistan Test batter

 

[Major]

Shoaib Mohammad was a good Pakistan Test batter

Yeh but Hanif's grandson was garbage

 

[Rana]

Yeh but Hanif's grandson was garbage

Who are Don Bradman’s great grand children?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Who are Don Bradman’s great grand children?

Umar Akmal and Ahmed Shehzad

 

[jamie smith fan]

Yeah I think Abdullah Shafique like his father isn’t good enough to play international cricket

But tullas like hassan,haris are good to play international cricket??

 

[Rana]

Umar Akmal and Ahmed Shehzad

I thought it was Rizwan and Babar

 

[jamie smith fan]

Who are Don Bradman’s great grand children?

Steven smith and Adam voges.

 

[Major]

Who are Don Bradman’s great grand children?

I dont know, how is that relevant to the thread?

 

[Rana]

But tullas like hassan,haris are good to play international cricket??

Yes.

 

[jamie smith fan]

Yes.

If options are haris and hassan then I would even have chanders and sarwan opening for my t20 team.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The thing is, shouldn't they get advantages?

Ronaldo's son likely won't be as good as his dad but he'll be better then alot of players solely because he

A) Started training at a very high level at a much younger age compared to most who are playing club level at best

B) Access to world class diet, coaching and football technique fundamentals, ronaldo is literally the best coach possible.

I'd imagine someone like arjun Tendulkar atleast being 10% as good as Sachin but he atm isn't even 1% of Marco Jansen as a batsmen and bowler. He's an awful awful allrounder.

So genuine question, do their parents not coach them? And if so? Why are they even playing at an IPL league level or ranji trophy level?

I don't think there are many top level footballs who had sons who were equally top level. The only one I can think of is Patrick Kluivert. Perhaps you can consider Schmeichal and Haaland too. But we are talking a handful of examples over thousands of careers.

There is no correlation in any sport between success and having a successful elder in the game.

 

[Rana]

If options are haris and hassan then I would even have chanders and sarwan opening for my t20 team.

Then you might as well get Babar and Rizwan to open for your T20 team?

 

[rpant_gabba]

Just a few examples I can think of

1) Arjun Tendulkar: Ik hes an allrounder but considering his predecessor is literally the top 3 greatest batsmen/cricketers of all time, you would think we'd have a generational allrounder at our doorstep but he wouldn't make it into any SENA side atm let alone team India.

2) Imam ul Haq: utterly shameful and a disgrace to his uncle as a batsmen.

3) Usman Qadir: Abdul Qadir was a decent spinner, his son can't even make into a side that literally makes players like Rizwan their captain.

4) Faham ul Haq: Ik people dislike Misbah, but Misbah is leagues ahead of his kid. Faham won't ever reach those levels even if he reaches his prime.

5) Rohan Gavaskar: He's so forgettable, i completly forgot he actually played for India a couple of times. Infact I forgot that sunny has kids .

6) Stuart Binny: Tbf, his father is pretty forgettable as a cricketer, but he's somehow even more forgettable

Enjoy this.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Majid x Bazid

Moin xl Azam

 

[Bhaijaan]

It’s natural.

Babar Azam’s small one will never be as good.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Because they are nepobabies

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

From a young age, nepobabies deal with this weird mix of pressure to live up to a name and the ease that comes with having doors already open for them.

And then ofcourse there's the case of them just not being good enough. After all, its international cricket. Statistically speaking, how many players in the history of the game have truly been great? and how many have ranged from bad to mediocre?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The only reason nepobabies get so much attention to begin with is because of their relation to someone famous. Otherwise, mediocre players come and go. It's nothing new and has always been part of the game. There are far more mediocre and bad players than there are great players.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The only reason nepobabies get so much attention to begin with is because of their relation to someone famous. Otherwise, mediocre players come and go. It's nothing new and has always been part of the game. There are far more mediocre and bad players than there are great players.

I'm thinking of some exceptions to this and can only think of England players - Broad, Bairstow and Wiley all had better careers than their fathers.

The Curran's also exceeded their fathers international careers.

In Australia the Marsh brothers have had solid careers but probably are at the same level as their fathers.

 

[topspin]

The chances of one making it to pro and being amongst the top tier is a fraction of 1%.

Children and nephews of legendary players may have an advantage to early access and contacts with coaches and facilities but the odds are also very much stacked against them as well, so this comes to no surprise.

 

[Buzzinga]

I'm thinking of some exceptions to this and can only think of England players - Broad, Bairstow and Wiley all had better careers than their fathers.

The Curran's also exceeded their fathers international careers.

In Australia the Marsh brothers have had solid careers but probably are at the same level as their fathers.

Yuvraj Singh has had a better career than his father.

Also OP is wrong in clubbing Stuart Binny with others. Despite having a mediocre career he has landed himself a hot and famous wife, which most of successful ones couldn't. That has to be an achievement.

 

[Buzzinga]

On a serious note. Parents are wrong to push their children in the same profession as theirs.

Dilip Sardesai was ok cricketer, his son Rajdeep realised that he is not made for cricket and he is a successful journalist. Sanjay Bangar's son was an U19 cricketer, apparantly he is his daughter now who is in to showbiz.

 

[BouncerGuy]

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