Are Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan the Ahmed Shehzad, and Misbah ul Haq of our era?

[mominsaigol]

Ik their different, But their alot of similarities between the 2.

1) Babar and misbah are captains who captained for years but never achieved any icc tournament victory.

2) Both rizwan, Babar, And misbah bat with an insanely slow Strike rate for their respective era.

3) Both Babar and rizwan prefer opening just like shehzad, and Babar and rizwan are heavily overrated just like how Shehzad in his golden days was often compared to Kohli and was considered a once in a generational talent for scoring a 100 on debut and being the first pakistani bat to score 100's in all formats. Similarly Babar is often compared to kohli.

4) Both Babar, Rizwan and Misbah are often viewed as saviours/ oxygen of the team. And in recent times, Babar/Rizwan/ Misbah have divided the entire Pakistani fandom.

5) Misbah forwarded Ahmed shehzad, in the same way Babar/Misbah(as coach) forwarded Rizwan, infact misbah as coach brought back shehzad for opening before moving onto rizwan full time.

6) Ahmed shehzad early on his career was viewed as the next generational opener for Pakistan but overtime people realised he was overrated, slowly but surely the same trend seems to be following Babar and rizwan. Both players went from being goats, to being overrated to divided opinions on whether they should remain in the team or not.

7) As captains Both Babar and misbah shared similar controversies on team selection, Babar faces the amir/ Imad controversy whole Misbah faced the Younis Khan controversy slightly before his 2015 inclusion in the world cup.

Their are differences of course.

Misbah was an excellent red ball captain and a proper prodigy in terms of red ball cricket even equaling Viv's record and getting us a historic mo 1 ranking, No one can deny how gun he was as a test captain.

Rizwan is also viewed more positively then shehzad was, with shehzad being cited for attitude problems, Rizwan not having an attitude complaint and seems to be more cheerful and respected in league cricket and in his own dugout.

Misbah era also didn't feature that much social media as compared to today.

Idk, their are differences but the idea of history repeating itself is uncanny.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Shehzad was a mediocre show pony . But Misbah was actually even more inferior a batsman and got less hate only because he was mild mannered and not as crass as Shezzy.

Misbah , from April 2008 till end, had an utterly mediocre strike rate of 96 in T20 I cricket. But still played for 4 years.

 

[Rana]

They are worse

Misbah himself never batted in the top 4 and shell the powerplay or post powerplay like these two frauds

 

[mominsaigol]

Shehzad was a mediocre show pony . But Misbah was actually even more inferior a batsman and got less hate only because he was mild mannered and not as crass as Shezzy.

Misbah , from April 2008 till end, had an utterly mediocre strike rate of 96 in T20 I cricket. But still played for 4 years.

Well the idea is that both share uncanny resemblance to babar and rizwan.

Babar has an awful sr for his era as well, yet is playing?

Shehzad and rizwan are both medicore show pony's but in different ways. Shehzad was aggressive on media while rizzu is silly on media aka sometimes acting nonsense but both attract media attention

 

[topspin]

Misbah came up with the Babar and Rizwan opening combination. A substandard cricketing IQ will always yield substandard results.

 

[mominsaigol]

Misbah came up with the Babar and Rizwan opening combination. A substandard cricketing IQ will always yield substandard results.

Ik, but even after misbah was discarded babar forwarded rizwan in the same way misbah forwarded shehzad.

The resemblances are uncanny between these 2, minus red ball cricket where they differ and rizzu being a keeper ofcourse.

Heck rizwan even has that stupid bollywood picture like shehzad did in 2014.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It's a worse situation tbh.

Ahmed got booted after a bit and Misbah was a pretty decent captain.

Today Babar played bowlers that have played every match for years, and left the two guys who have came out of retirement out.

He didn't really budge himself or Rizwan either but chose to send Chacha who needs more game time in at number 7.

If we can't properly experiment in T20s against back up teams then we will never develop players.

 

[Barragan]

At least Babar and Riz delivered a not out victory against ind.

They have the ability to go at a better SR, but don't do it always.

misbah and shehzad were just pure trash.

 

[Rana]

Misbah came up with the Babar and Rizwan opening combination. A substandard cricketing IQ will always yield substandard results.

And he defends his pathetic decision as if only he knows cricket in all of Pakistan

 

[mominsaigol]

It's a worse situation tbh.

Ahmed got booted after a bit and Misbah was a pretty decent captain.

Today Babar played bowlers that have played every match for years, and left the two guys who have came out of retirement out.

He didn't really budge himself or Rizwan either but chose to send Chacha who needs more game time in at number 7.

If we can't properly experiment in T20s against back up teams then we will never develop players.

Ahmed got booted out in 2017 as a regular during CT, and booted out for good in 2018. In 2020 Misbah brought him back but afterwards he was finally booted.

He was a full feature during Misbah era. I'm confident once babar gets booted out for good( If it happens doubt it will) rizwan would follow suit.

As for Misbah, He was a gun red ball captain no doubt, Awful white ball captain but had good field placements atleast. Babar is clueless on the field.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Well the idea is that both share uncanny resemblance to babar and rizwan.

Babar has an awful sr for his era as well, yet is playing?

Shehzad and rizwan are both medicore show pony's but in different ways. Shehzad was aggressive on media while rizzu is silly on media aka sometimes acting nonsense but both attract media attention

Both Bobby and Rizzy cannot play in a T20 lineup. This I agree with.

Whether PAK can afford to go without Babar is something I'm not sure of.

 

[aukhan]

Misbah and Babar both are dheet and failed captains thats the only similarity between them. Batting wise Babar can never be compared with Misbah the mediocre batsmen.

Babar's lust for captaincy after 4 pathetic years will earn him more criticism than he deserves as a batsmen and thats the price that he will have to pay in his persuit for power.

 

[mominsaigol]

Both Bobby and Rizzy cannot play in a T20 lineup. This I agree with.

Whether PAK can afford to go without Babar is something I'm not sure of.

Neither could misbah and Shehzad.

As for the 2nd part, I have to disagree. We have plenty of free flowing batsmen like saud, Omair bin aziz who are knocking on the doors, if their groomed properly and I repeat properly they'll be > Babar easily.

Babar is a con, today his innings proved it, the dude can't play any decent spinner, Bracewell is the only spinner this c side has? Sodhi is dreadful, yet Babar as treating Bracewell as if he's Shane Warne?

 

[mominsaigol]

Misbah and Babar both are dheet and failed captains thats the only similarity between them. Batting wise Babar can never be compared with Misbah the mediocre batsmen.

Babar's lust for captaincy after 4 pathetic years will earn him more criticism than he deserves as a batsmen and thats the price that he will have to pay in his persuit for power.

How is Babar not a medicore batsmen though?

People use to praise Misbah's 44 avg in his era lol, it was more obvious with misbah due to lack of 100's though.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

At least Babar and Riz delivered a not out victory against ind.

They have the ability to go at a better SR, but don't do it always.

misbah and shehzad were just pure trash.

What makes you think they have the ability?

They seem adamant to not try to improve or adapt their game.

And they seem adamant to not let anyone else try either.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Neither could misbah and Shehzad.

As for the 2nd part, I have to disagree. We have plenty of free flowing batsmen like saud, Omair bin aziz who are knocking on the doors, if their groomed properly and I repeat properly they'll be > Babar easily.

Babar is a con, today his innings proved it, the dude can't play any decent spinner, Bracewell is the only spinner this c side has? Sodhi is dreadful, yet Babar as treating Bracewell as if he's Shane Warne?

Sorry brother. The only batter in all of Pakistan who can be that impactful opener to partner Saim is potentially Mohammad Haris imo.

I don't rate any of the other guys to be able to perform against international T20 attacks .

Maybe I'm wrong but I just don't see it.

 

[mominsaigol]

Sorry brother. The only batter in all of Pakistan who can be that impactful opener to partner Saim is potentially Mohammad Haris imo.

I don't rate any of the other guys to be able to perform against international T20 attacks .

Maybe I'm wrong but I just don't see it.

I thought for Babar you were talking about all format bats?

Anyway, Fakhar, Saim, Haris, UK( are opening or no 3 where he averages 49 and 150 sr, Amy Place else he averages 116 sr and 21 avg), tayyab( sr of 152 in psl and outperformed both saim and haris in acc emerging cup)

Their all worth checking out.

 

[Local.Dada]

Rizwan is clutch cricketer. Probably the clutchest in the Pak team. He is calm under pressure. I don’t get the criticism. Can someone tell me if there is a keeper- bat in Pak that should replace him? Curious because I would be pleasantly surprised if you have better keeper-bats sitting in domestics. Please don’t say Sarfaraz or Azam Khan

 

[Rana]

Rizwan is clutch cricketer. Probably the clutchest in the Pak team. He is calm under pressure. I don’t get the criticism. Can someone tell me if there is a keeper- bat in Pak that should replace him? Curious because I would be pleasantly surprised if you have better keeper-bats sitting in domestics. Please don’t say Sarfaraz or Azam Khan

What clutch? Where is the clutch when you know your team needs 220 on a flat deck?

 

[mominsaigol]

Rizwan is clutch cricketer. Probably the clutchest in the Pak team. He is calm under pressure. I don’t get the criticism. Can someone tell me if there is a keeper- bat in Pak that should replace him? Curious because I would be pleasantly surprised if you have better keeper-bats sitting in domestics. Please don’t say Sarfaraz or Azam Khan

It's sad rizwan fans have to use the Wickwt keeping clause to justify his inclusion, because they know full well he isn't clutch and doesn't justify his place as a batsmen

 

[Local.Dada]

It's sad rizwan fans have to use the Wickwt keeping clause to justify his inclusion, because they know full well he isn't clutch and doesn't justify his place as a batsmen

I used to think he was mediocre too but over the years from the Pakistan games I have seen, he is the only guy who seems to deliver in back to the wall situations from what I have seen:He has my respect. The game is not over till he is there. I am an Indian fan and yes his breaks etc annoy me but doesn’t take away his on-field performances. He is a very sensible batsman and has wonderful temperament. A rarity. In fact I will say this now, if Rizwan would have been dismissed early in the 152-0 match, Pakistan would have choked against Varun Chakravarthy etc

 

[mominsaigol]

I used to think he was mediocre too but over the years from the Pakistan games I have seen, he is the only guy who seems to deliver in back to the wall situations from what I have seen:He has my respect. The game is not over till he is there. I am an Indian fan and yes his breaks etc annoy me but doesn’t take away his on-field performances. He is a very sensible batsman and has wonderful temperament. A rarity. In fact I will say this now, if Rizwan would have been dismissed early in the 152-0 match, Pakistan would have choked against Varun Chakravarthy etc

2021 is now irrelevant. Rizwan fell off hard after Sri lanka 100 game, just letting you know

 

[aukhan]

How is Babar not a medicore batsmen though?

People use to praise Misbah's 44 avg in his era lol, it was more obvious with misbah due to lack of 100's though.

Babar is not a mediocre batsman ability wise. His lack of intent and selfishness as a player stem from bad influences like Misbah and Ramiz.

They inflated his ego, suggesting he's perfect and the team must adapt to his style. Fakhar had to sacrifice his spot in T20s due to this. He was told to focus only on scoring without worrying about his strike rate.

Babar's progress as a batsman halted under their tenure. The home test season, where Ramiz openly told curators to create pitches to accommodate run scoring so that Babar could rack up more hundreds at home was more damaging to him in the long run.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Shehzad was a mediocre batsman. Misbah was a pretty decent Test batsman. But LOI was not his game.

Both Shehzad and Misbah are no where at the level of Babar & Riz.

 

[mominsaigol]

Babar is not a mediocre batsman ability wise. His lack of intent and selfishness as a player stem from bad influences like Misbah and Ramiz.

They inflated his ego, suggesting he's perfect and the team must adapt to his style. Fakhar had to sacrifice his spot in T20s due to this. He was told to focus only on scoring without worrying about his strike rate.

Babar's progress as a batsman halted under their tenure. The home test season, where Ramiz openly told curators to create pitches to accommodate run scoring so that Babar could rack up more hundreds at home was more damaging to him in the long run.

Yes he is, thats what I don't get why people call him QUALITY, what on earth does quality even mean? Playing cover drives?

Babar as a batsmen has no backfoot shots against spin, irs why he's a bunny and I've done deep analysis on his game with hasanramga, kuldeep, Bracewell etc and gone in detail the cause of his dismissals. Theirs a reason he's so poor against spin, none of that speaks quality.

Against pace he's good no doubt, technically he's sound against pace except for pandya who he can't read for some reason, but he's sound against pace. But so is Warner, Chapman, rachin, rohit and plenty of other batsmen, not only are they sound but they have a plathero of more shots both lofted and unorthodox then babar does. Some of these lads being younger then babar like rachin or Gill.

So on which angle is he quality? You can be a top scorer In one t20 tournament, that doesn't speak quality to me, In fact rachin or rohit would be in someone's 2023 wc 11 as openers and not quinton even though quinton scored more 100's, and that's because quinton is a liability while chasing, so it's better to have these 2.

Babar being a top scorer in one tournament doesn't excuse his 2022 and 2023 performance nor does it excuse his 39 of 34 in a crucial SF.

 

[Rana]

Yes he is, thats what I don't get why people call him QUALITY, what on earth does quality even mean? Playing cover drives?

Babar as a batsmen has no backfoot shots against spin, irs why he's a bunny and I've done deep analysis on his game with hasanramga, kuldeep, Bracewell etc and gone in detail the cause of his dismissals. Theirs a reason he's so poor against spin, none of that speaks quality.

Against pace he's good no doubt, technically he's sound against pace except for pandya who he can't read for some reason, but he's sound against pace. But so is Warner, Chapman, rachin, rohit and plenty of other batsmen, not only are they sound but they have a plathero of more shots both lofted and unorthodox then babar does. Some of these lads being younger then babar like rachin or Gill.

So on which angle is he quality? You can be a top scorer In one t20 tournament, that doesn't speak quality to me, In fact rachin or rohit would be in someone's 2023 wc 11 as openers and not quinton even though quinton scored more 100's, and that's because quinton is a liability while chasing, so it's better to have these 2.

Babar being a top scorer in one tournament doesn't excuse his 2022 and 2023 performance nor does it excuse his 39 of 34 in a crucial SF.

Bro Babar against spin….

Don’t you know he’s better than Shreyas Iyer? Are you a blind hater?






Hahahahahahahhahahahahahaha

 

[aukhan]

Yes he is, thats what I don't get why people call him QUALITY, what on earth does quality even mean? Playing cover drives?

Babar as a batsmen has no backfoot shots against spin, irs why he's a bunny and I've done deep analysis on his game with hasanramga, kuldeep, Bracewell etc and gone in detail the cause of his dismissals. Theirs a reason he's so poor against spin, none of that speaks quality.

Against pace he's good no doubt, technically he's sound against pace except for pandya who he can't read for some reason, but he's sound against pace. But so is Warner, Chapman, rachin, rohit and plenty of other batsmen, not only are they sound but they have a plathero of more shots both lofted and unorthodox then babar does. Some of these lads being younger then babar like rachin or Gill.

So on which angle is he quality? You can be a top scorer In one t20 tournament, that doesn't speak quality to me, In fact rachin or rohit would be in someone's 2023 wc 11 as openers and not quinton even though quinton scored more 100's, and that's because quinton is a liability while chasing, so it's better to have these 2.

Babar being a top scorer in one tournament doesn't excuse his 2022 and 2023 performance nor does it excuse his 39 of 34 in a crucial SF.

Babar has flaws that he should have worked on but instead he was repeatedly told he was perfect when he was handed over the reins. His game against quality spinners is still doubtful, but since we play too many games on flatter pitches, he has not been fully exposed yet.

By Pakistani batting standards, he is still the best batsman we currently have and is a big upgrade over the likes of Misbah, Younis, Asad, Azhar, and Hafeez.

Statistically, he is on track to become the best Pakistani batsman. With 19 hundreds in ODIs, the moment he crosses 20, the deluded fan club will call him better than Saeed Anwar, but those who have seen Saeed Anwar play will never accept Babar Azam as a better player.

 

[Rana]

Brah where is my guy @PakEngFan today?

 

[ahmadharis1]

I'm not the biggest fan of RizBabar opening but I wouldn't go that far

 

[mominsaigol]

Babar has flaws that he should have worked on but instead he was repeatedly told he was perfect when he was handed over the reins. His game against quality spinners is still doubtful, but since we play too many games on flatter pitches, he has not been fully exposed yet.

By Pakistani batting standards, he is still the best batsman we currently have and is a big upgrade over the likes of Misbah, Younis, Asad, Azhar, and Hafeez.

Statistically, he is on track to become the best Pakistani batsman. With 19 hundreds in ODIs, the moment he crosses 20, the deluded fan club will call him better than Saeed Anwar, but those who have seen Saeed Anwar play will never accept Babar Azam as a better player.

I'm kinda confused. On one angle you're supporting and praising babar and on the other you're doing the opposite?

When it comes to Pakistan standards, Firstly YK is a test specialist and is 100x the batter that babar is in Red ball, but yes in Whiteball he's mediocre.

Hafeez is more impactful then babar, first of babar is a batsmen, Hafeez is an allrounder so not a fair comparison. Bit regardless the ct innings hafeez played, that 86 game against sa where he dismantled sa and his 100+ score against an all star atg Sri lanka team + 3 wickets is something beyond babar's capability.

Hafeez unlike babar was a genuine spin basher but poor against pace, he wasn't a good batter but when he did perform once in every 10 games he came well for Pakistan and his bowling was always on point. Hafeez is single handiedlt far superior to these joke allrounders like shadab, Nawaz and chacha lol, he's actually superior to imad as well tbf, but imad is a better new ball bowler.

Azhar is once again 100x > Babar in test in his prime. But in whiteball he's poor, asad shafiq is shan masood before shan masood, 24 avg and 65 sr, only misbah is capable of playing such nonsense .

These statistics don't really matter. Any cricket lover knows Saeed Anwar is 10,000x the batter babar will ever be. Babar hasn't even surpassed fakhar, babar in the wc outright admitted inferiority to fakhar, he verbatim said that if fakhar is inform then the entire team dynamic changes and our chances of victory are no longer in question.

Meaning babar admits that when he's inform he is not as impactful as when fakhar is in form.

Fakhar inform > Babar inform easily.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Brah where is my guy @PakEngFan today?

You need to ask him in Luganda

 

[mominsaigol]

Brah where is my guy @PakEngFan today?

A good player can fail 5 tournaments in a row, it happens. Babar easily warrants a place over iyer though, no question

 

[Rana]

A good player can fail 5 tournaments in a row, it happens. Babar easily warrants a place over iyer though, no question

Ah yes, a wise man once said that. I should have paid heed.

 

[Rana]

Where is big chest thumping @Ahmed216 today?

“Captain Babar Azam will do what he wants! If he wants the team to be 10 runs short like always, that’s what will happen!”

 

[RyanRyan10]

Babar Azam is undoubtedly a class above the other 3.

Ahmed Shehzad is the weakest of the four in terms of performance.

All of 4 differ from one another.

 

[topspin]

Where is big chest thumping @Ahmed216 today?

“Captain Babar Azam will do what he wants! If he wants the team to be 10 runs short like always, that’s what will happen!”

All the usual suspects have gone into hiding. Ahmed216, Major, Daytrader, 160kph, Mamoon and PakEngFan.

 

[mominsaigol]

All the usual suspects have gone into hiding. Ahmed216, Major, Daytrader, 160kph, Mamoon and PakEngFan.

Idk about 160kph, he's in USA so might be sleeping.

As for the rest, 100%, this always happens, Mamoon especially.

But trust me you'll hear nonsense tmr. Expect daytrader to talk about how bad the bowling was or rizzu performed poor because sometimes acting was injured, or he'll try to justify babar innings somehow.

Trust me he'll blame usman khan, shadab, Irfan Khan niazi, Naseem shah, Saim ayub or anyone, except babar sher amd cheetah Rizwan.

 

[topspin]

Idk about 160kph, he's in USA so might be sleeping.

As for the rest, 100%, this always happens, Mamoon especially.

But trust me you'll hear nonsense tmr. Expect daytrader to talk about how bad the bowling was or rizzu performed poor because sometimes acting was injured, or he'll try to justify babar innings somehow.

Trust me he'll blame usman khan, shadab, Irfan Khan niazi, Naseem shah, Saim ayub or anyone, except babar sher amd cheetah Rizwan.

And Major will be crying to authority as per usual.

@Rana not for the first time right?

 

[Rana]

And Major will be crying to authority as per usual.

@Rana not for the first time right?

Yeah he has a problem when he gets it served back to him but will look to like posts that encourage hate/personal abuse towards those who disagree with him and make lame out of context jokes about Naqvi being Hulk Hogan

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Rizwan is clutch cricketer. Probably the clutchest in the Pak team. He is calm under pressure. I don’t get the criticism. Can someone tell me if there is a keeper- bat in Pak that should replace him? Curious because I would be pleasantly surprised if you have better keeper-bats sitting in domestics. Please don’t say Sarfaraz or Azam Khan

He has the potential to be a clutch player but for a few years has failed to improve his hitting ability and feels the rest of the team are the issue.

He is quite a canny cricketer but has stagnated. Need a kick up the backside and told not to rest on his laurels.

 

[mominsaigol]

And Major will be crying to authority as per usual.

@Rana not for the first time right?

If you view the conversation between redwood and I, Their were no insults or any sky remarks or anything until the discussion ended where he called me a president and I said okay I'll hold the election.

Throught put the conversation he was being passive aggressive, in the same way daytrader is usually passive aggressive or snarky.

Major also got aggressive with me on me claiming something about pindi and talked about how I'm lying about Peshawar even though I never mentioned Peshawar.

These boys need to grow up, If you're going to gang up and insult, then every action will meet an opposite reaction. It can be civil or calm up to them. Plus it's annoying they need babysitters, their grown men for god sakes. They should let be on the Internet if they can dish put drama but are too immature to receive it.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yeah he has a problem when he gets it served back to him but will look to like posts that encourage hate/personal abuse towards those who disagree with him and make lame out of context jokes about Naqvi being Hulk Hogan

Or will look to make threads secretly attacking one Indian poster

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Or will look to make threads secretly attacking one Indian poster

Those threads always fail and poor Misbah keeps on getting dragged into them

 

[topspin]

Yeah he has a problem when he gets it served back to him but will look to like posts that encourage hate/personal abuse towards those who disagree with him and make lame out of context jokes about Naqvi being Hulk Hogan

"Misbah > Inzamam in ODIs" and "300 runs off 800 balls is better than 350 runs off 400 balls".

If I was him, I would be more concerned about my understanding of cricket.

 

[mominsaigol]

Those threads always fail and poor Misbah keeps on getting dragged into them

Bro I don't even get his viewpoint.

He claims Indians are losers for not winning anything (Even though they've been winning asia cup consistently and casually) for 11 years and credits 2017 to indian fans.

But to pakistani fans he goes on and attacks sarfi and yk on end? He justified misbah's qf in 2015 and called it great captaincy but for 2017 sarfi, sarfi just fluked it with psl superstars. Even though when misbah came back he recalled Irfan who was a retired dinosaur at the time and wasn't even in psl.

Like bro if you hate sarfi,amir and 2017 so much, why bring that up against indian posters in the first place?

 

[PakEngFan]

Brah where is my guy @PakEngFan today?

I am here. I don't run away like you. You should know this by now.

 

[PakEngFan]

You need to ask him in Luganda

Is that the language you speak? Maybe speak in that language in order to make more sense.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Bro I don't even get his viewpoint.

He claims Indians are losers for not winning anything (Even though they've been winning asia cup consistently and casually) for 11 years and credits 2017 to indian fans.

But to pakistani fans he goes on and attacks sarfi and yk on end? He justified misbah's qf in 2015 and called it great captaincy but for 2017 sarfi, sarfi just fluked it with psl superstars. Even though when misbah came back he recalled Irfan who was a retired dinosaur at the time and wasn't even in psl.

Like bro if you hate sarfi,amir and 2017 so much, why bring that up against indian posters in the first place?

Ironic to see a man who supports Misbah bring up ICC trophies all the time, because with that logic misbah had a massive failure of a career

And test cricket doesnt seem to matter to him, those 2 series win in aus are worth nothing and getting whitewashed at home by eng is not a problem because they won a ct 6 years ago

 

[PakEngFan]

A good player can fail 5 tournaments in a row, it happens. Babar easily warrants a place over iyer though, no question

This is a tournament? Usman is better than rizwan. What happened to that when he faced club level bowlers at international level.

 

[PakEngFan]

This thread is as bad as his idol rana's thread about Asif Ali being made the captain.

 

[mominsaigol]

This is a tournament? Usman is better than rizwan. What happened to that when he faced club level bowlers at international level.

This is a tournament?

Cough Sarcasm Cough Not Literal Cough Am making fun of your past claims Cough Please answer your babar > Sheryas claim Cough

 

[Rana]

I am here. I don't run away like you. You should know this by now.

Na I actually thought you ran away that’s why I made sure to tag you and check where you are

It’s good to know you haven’t ran away

 

[PakEngFan]

This is a tournament?

Cough Sarcasm Cough Not Literal Cough Am making fun of your past claims Cough Please answer your babar > Sheryas claim Cough

Take some medicine for your cough. This is not right place to be coughing.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Luganda - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

@Rana , @RyanRyan10 , @topspin

 

[PakEngFan]

Na I actually thought you ran away that’s why I made sure to tag you and check where you are

It’s good to know you haven’t ran away

I am not like you who come with excuses when you disappear.

 

[160KPH]

All the usual suspects have gone into hiding. Ahmed216, Major, Daytrader, 160kph, Mamoon and PakEngFan.

What?

 

[PakEngFan]

What?

Pakistan lost and they are happy, but they are the real fans and we are not.

 

[Rana]

Luganda - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

@Rana , @RyanRyan10 , @topspin

It’s Ganda or Luganda. I didn’t know I have to communicate in Ganda

 

[mominsaigol]

Pakistan lost and they are happy, but they are the real fans and we are not.

You got angry and threw a hissyfit over imad in psl? By your logic you should be happy 24/7 if Pakistan wins, irrespective of how we win or who achives it.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Pakistan lost and they are happy, but they are the real fans and we are not.

No one is happy at Pakistan losing.

It is just painfully obvious that Babar and Rizwan fans dont care about the result.

They are just waiting for them to hit that 50 again to say "I told you so" even if Pakistan loses the match.

When Pakistan loses the match they say
"Oh, without that 50, we would have been 100 all out."

Its a farce.

Babar and Rizwan are the biggest fraud and deception in history of T20 cricket. Their entire career is based on bowlers restricting teams to 150 or 160 runs so that they can nudge and shuffle singles to reach the target and be called world class.

This is called corporate deception at all levels.

 

[Ahmed216]

Where is big chest thumping @Ahmed216 today?

“Captain Babar Azam will do what he wants! If he wants the team to be 10 runs short like always, that’s what will happen!”

Yes he's our captain. Although he does have his faults but he's earned this position through performances. Captain Azam remains the best batsman in Pak.

And if you want to put the blame of every loss on Babar and Rizwan and ignore the performance of all the other players, then I don't think you are qualified to talk about the game

 

[Ahmed216]

No one is happy at Pakistan losing.

It is just painfully obvious that Babar and Rizwan fans dont care about the result.

They are just waiting for them to hit that 50 again to say "I told you so" even if Pakistan loses the match.

When Pakistan loses the match they say
"Oh, without that 50, we would have been 100 all out."

Its a farce.

Babar and Rizwan are the biggest fraud and deception in history of T20 cricket. Their entire career is based on bowlers restricting teams to 150 or 160 runs so that they can nudge and shuffle singles to reach the target and be called world class.

This is called corporate deception at all levels.

Dr Saab Pakistan has never been a high scoring side.
Remember 2007 WC? we lost both games against India chasing 140 and 155

 

[daytrader]

If you view the conversation between redwood and I, Their were no insults or any sky remarks or anything until the discussion ended where he called me a president and I said okay I'll hold the election.

Throught put the conversation he was being passive aggressive, in the same way daytrader is usually passive aggressive or snarky.

Major also got aggressive with me on me claiming something about pindi and talked about how I'm lying about Peshawar even though I never mentioned Peshawar.

These boys need to grow up, If you're going to gang up and insult, then every action will meet an opposite reaction. It can be civil or calm up to them. Plus it's annoying they need babysitters, their grown men for god sakes. They should let be on the Internet if they can dish put drama but are too immature to receive it.

Nothing snarky, I'm here and call it as it is. Just enjoying the gossiping you boys are doing. It's your day, Pakistan lost! Enjoy it while it lasts

 

[daytrader]

What?

This is coming from a guy who was away for a few days.

 

[daytrader]

Another thread on Misbah bashing. Seems like he's going to be eternally living in some heads even though he's no where involved in the current setup. And who compares Ahmed Shehzad to Misbah lol they're not even similar type of batters or even have anything in common. Ahmed Shehzad was always a loser and only recently he's been working hard to get back into the team. He got a reality check long ago.

As for Misbah - one of our best captains and test batter
Babar Sher - will go down as of our best batter ever
Rizwan murshad - is already our best wicketkeeping batter

 

[160KPH]

This is coming from a guy who was away for a few days.

They are so used to running away anytime we perform well that they think we would copy them and run away when we lose a match..

 

[daytrader]

They are so used to running away anytime we perform well that they think we would copy them and run away when we lose a match..

Bro this is the validation they've been seeking for so long. @mominsaigol has continously repeated how he's been proven right today and everyone that thinks opposite to him, their narrative failed. Read this at least 3 times in various threads with various posters. Riz and Babar fail in one game and they have made it a point to celebrate. I wouldn't be surprised if some are cutting cake today

 

[mominsaigol]

Bro this is the validation they've been seeking for so long. @mominsaigol has continously repeated how he's been proven right today and everyone that thinks opposite to him, their narrative failed. Read this at least 3 times in various threads with various posters. Riz and Babar fail in one game and they have made it a point to celebrate. I wouldn't be surprised if some are cutting cake today

I wouldn't be surprised if some are cutting cake today

So umm off topic, but I'm at my cousins birthday party atm . Which features cake cutting and ill be having it in a bit .

As for me, my narrative was proven right in the first game, I listed my points even before that game took pace about our pacers lack of pace getting exposed, Sheddy getting exposed, abrar being the only genuine bowler in the line up, Babar and rizwan's horrific sr getting exposed. Chacha's hilarious allround abilities getting exposed

Only thing I missed was fielding but yeah add that into the mix of also getting exposed.

Saim ayub and UK I'm not sure atm but they'll also probs fall, hope I'm wrong but if I'm proven right, add that into the list as well for future reference.

 

[mominsaigol]

They are so used to running away anytime we perform well that they think we would copy them and run away when we lose a match..

Just FYI, I've never run away, idk about others. But I always stand my ground 24/7, unless I'm sleeping ofcourse. Which usually during game time and post game time I'm not.

Watch my comments during rizzu's 131 In wc. I still stood firm on rizzu getting humiliated against proper bowling and why the Sri lankan attack was either the weakest or 2nd weakest attack lol in the world cup.

 

[160KPH]

Just FYI, I've never run away, idk about others. But I always stand my ground 24/7, unless I'm sleeping ofcourse. Which usually during game time and post game time I'm not.

Watch my comments during rizzu's 131 In wc. I still stood firm on rizzu getting humiliated against proper bowling and why the Sri lankan attack was either the weakest or 2nd weakest attack lol in the world cup.

Nah I don’t think you run away. I was referring to the poster who mentioned my name.

I’m not sure how he got the idea that I run away when Pakistan performs badly. I am just in a different time zone and am often times at work when Pakistani matches are going on.

 

[mominsaigol]

Nah I don’t think you run away. I was referring to the poster who mentioned my name.

I’m not sure how he got the idea that I run away when Pakistan performs badly. I am just in a different time zone and am often times at work when Pakistani matches are going on.

Oh, no I even defended you on that, ik your time zone, its LA if I'm not mistaken. You were defo asleep, I mentioned that

 

[daytrader]

I wouldn't be surprised if some are cutting cake today

So umm off topic, but I'm at my cousins birthday party atm . Which features cake cutting and ill be having it in a bit .

As for me, my narrative was proven right in the first game, I listed my points even before that game took pace about our pacers lack of pace getting exposed, Sheddy getting exposed, abrar being the only genuine bowler in the line up, Babar and rizwan's horrific sr getting exposed. Chacha's hilarious allround abilities getting exposed

Only thing I missed was fielding but yeah add that into the mix of also getting exposed.

Saim ayub and UK I'm not sure atm but they'll also probs fall, hope I'm wrong but if I'm proven right, add that into the list as well for future reference.

Lol I actually had some cake too today. Strawberry shortcake

As for being right, many have pointed out these issues. Why are you trying to claim all the credit?

For example many of us think Saim and Usman are going to fail cause we have seen how the hype machine works in Pakistan cricket. We big up any young performer and start making comparisons to greats of the game. This is nothing visionary and not something that a single poster can take credit for

 

[daytrader]

Just FYI, I've never run away, idk about others. But I always stand my ground 24/7, unless I'm sleeping ofcourse. Which usually during game time and post game time I'm not.

An admirable quality. Can't say the same about the rest of the cult. Plus at least you try to drive the conversation forward even if they're sometimes silly comments. I still have hope that you will change camps one day

 

[mominsaigol]

Lol I actually had some cake too today. Strawberry shortcake

As for being right, many have pointed out these issues. Why are you trying to claim all the credit?

For example many of us think Saim and Usman are going to fail cause we have seen how the hype machine works in Pakistan cricket. We big up any young performer and start making comparisons to greats of the game. This is nothing visionary and not something that a single poster can take credit for

Huh? I'm not solely taking credit. Also nice try, you ignored all my points I made about pacers like pacing, Babar and rizwan being thorns, shadab and chacha's spin getting exposed. None of out bats having 140+ sr.

These things I mentioned, you attempted to counter argue all of them, taking about how good our pacers are and will casually restrict 160. And that pace is overrated.

And no not taking all credit @Rana @topspin @emranabbas @drbassim @aukhan @TheSultan @CerebralPatriot And many others that I may have missed claimed the exact same thing

 

[Major]

7 years onwards and misbah still lives rent free in some peoples heads.

 

[daytrader]

Huh? I'm not solely taking credit. Also nice try, you ignored all my points I made about pacers like pacing, Babar and rizwan being thorns, shadab and chacha's spin getting exposed. None of out bats having 140+ sr.

When you repeat I've been proven right over and over again you're absolutely trying to take credit.

Your agenda against Babar and Rizwan is clear, Shadab as well. Funny how you don't give him credit for being our highest striking active cricketer. Nawaz is also on that list btw but ofcourse you will not advocate for him as well cause Babar called him a match winner once. If you stuck to your point of view of having high strike rate in the PP than you would advocate for both opening but obviously you won't cause both are in Babar's camp.

These things I mentioned, you attempted to counter argue all of them, taking about how good our pacers are and will casually restrict 160. And that pace is overrated.

Pace is overrated that's why you advocate for Amir rather than Haris Rauf

 

[mominsaigol]

7 years onwards and misbah still lives rent free in some peoples heads.

This is your respected POV?

 

[Rana]

7 years onwards and misbah still lives rent free in some peoples heads.

Because his manhusiyat in white ball cricket is a curse that just doesn’t die with his pathetic, politically motivated tactics.

 

[Energy]

There was no explaination for Babar and Rizwan's innings yesterday. It was a poor innings. Home ground, small boundaries, C grade bowlers and this is what they did. Particularly disappointed because at least 2 of Babar's boundaries came of long hops or leg side loosener i.e. if the bowlers bowled good lengths, he would have also managed only 100SR.

The more you look at the scorecard, the more shocking this is. For Pakistan's sake, this needs to be a one-off.

 

[Rana]

There was no explaination for Babar and Rizwan's innings yesterday. It was a poor innings. Home ground, small boundaries, C grade bowlers and this is what they did. Particularly disappointed because at least 2 of Babar's boundaries came of long hops or leg side loosener i.e. if the bowlers bowled good lengths, he would have also managed only 100SR.

The more you look at the scorecard, the more shocking this is. For Pakistan's sake, this needs to be a one-off.

Yes, Babar and Rizwan should still continue to open and Fakhar should bat at 4…