[Report] PCB contact Misbah-ul-Haq for position of Head Coach for Pakistan

[mominsaigol]

Alot of people claim I'm biased or that I flip flop alot don't understand that I don't go 20 centuries into the past to decide my team.

I base my entire team selections and who I want as a coach based of recent form.

6 months back I would have never proclaimed that haider Ali should be included as a lower order hitter or that imad waseem shpuld be brought back however after recent psl form, I want them in.

It's the same with babar and rizwan, I don't go all the way back to 2019/ 2020 and decide that they shpuld be included.

I've seen their recent form in psl and how they open hence I don't want them to play or be permanently included in the t20 side.

Same for the coach, I don't want misbah because his last stint was awful and since then he hasn't coached anything for me to confidently say I change my mind.

Edit: The only exception to this is fakhar bit that's because we don't have anyone else who can hit 150+ scores in Pakistan, certainly not rizwan and Babar.

 

[moghul]

As per a report.

Would that be a good decision? or a disastrous one for Pakistan cricket leading into the T20 World Cup?

Misbah's previous stint as Head Coach:

On 4 September 2019, Misbah was appointed as the head coach for Pakistan cricket team as well as chief selector on a 3-year contract. This is the first time someone had simultaneously held both positions in Pakistan cricket.

This started well for Misbah who won the One-day international series 2–0. But then in the T20 series Sri Lanka pulled off a shock result and whitewashed Pakistan.[50] Afterwards he led the team in Australia where they lost the test series 2–0.

In October 2020, he resigned as chief selector of Pakistan national cricket team.[53] His first tour as just the head coach came against New Zealand where Pakistan were beaten 2–0.

After this he led Pakistan to their first Test series win against South Africa since 2003.

On 6 September 2021, Misbah resigned as the head coach of Pakistan.

Would be a black day for Pakistan cricket, RIP.

 

[BouncerGuy]

You guys can clearly see that this thread is about Misbah as a coach. Why imad Babar stuff being brought here as well, to derail it?

Stay on topic or leave this thread as we have other threads available for the type of stuff you want to talk about. Thanks

 

[Suleiman]

Please… no more. We get it. You need a yes man, but a yes man isn’t necessarily the best man for the job. Wake up already PCB.

 

[chinaman00]

First thing PCB has to do is to find out that who is leaking all this information to media.
PCB has more leaks then a bucket with a hole.

Agreed. PCB is unprofessional board and leaks like a broken pipe.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

If no international is willing to join the Pakistan team then give the assignment to the coach who won the last QEA trophy. At least reward domestic performers even in coaching also.

 

[PakWC'11Champs]

That was a different time in cricket. In the 83 movie it seems India didn’t have a coach either, just a tour manager.

Cricket has changed now, it requires far more management at a national scale instead of 1 group of boys from a privileged setting all touring together. You need a senior authority ensuring everything is in order. Otherwise you will just have a group of guys who could have a fall out and not know how to handle it amongst themselves

Ok in 2017 the same Micky Arthur that was trash in this last run was the coach of the title team.
In 2009 Alam was our coach again (like 1992).

The whole coaching thing is way overrated in Pakistan. A coach at this level can not create world class players or sudden trickery. What you need is chemistry. Good chemistry and trust between the captain and the coach. The coach is more like a manager that gives a second think tank to the captain and should give the team confidence to perform.

As Alam showed 2 times in 2 big wins, both WCs, coaching is way overrrated in Pakistan cricket. Instead of paying these foreign dudes 2M a year (or whatever it is) invest more in the domestic game's coaching. Up the standard at the junior level. Get elite coaches for players who play domestic in that under 19, under 16 type of structure. That is just my .02

 

[PakWC'11Champs]

I mean, for all of Micky's abilities, he could not create a balanced lineup in the ODI world cup that just went by. No consistent spinner was in the lineup, none of them performed in India where tracks tend to help spinners. Our fast bowling as well was not as consistent as it should be. The batting, the gaping hole in the middle order still stood out.

What I'm saying is that we are too worried about these things vs team balance. Team balance and the right captain will always supercede whatever coach you get. Proven by Mr. Alam's 2 Cup wins in 2009 and 1992.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

I have so much to say but don’t know where to begin.

The one thing we had was cricket, Misbah has taken it away from us

 

[mominsaigol]

So around 1 to 2% of fans want misbah back as head coach cause he's the goat but inad waseem as captain and having full control of all political and managerial affairs of PCB is too far fetched?

Its not like misbah didn't have 100% control when he was in charge.

If we can give power to misbah, why can't we give power to Imad? Why give power to rizzu instead? We can't keep hugging the opposition 24/7

 

[Mohraheem]

No! No! No! Misbah Tuktuk Defensive mindset will ruin Pakistan AGAIN! Didn’t we learn something last time????? Stay away from this Person! He is only around cricket so he can make his way for his Son who will be parchi 2.0! Stay Away from Misbah

 

[muqarrab]

So around 1 to 2% of fans want misbah back as head coach cause he's the goat but inad waseem as captain and having full control of all political and managerial affairs of PCB is too far fetched?

Its not like misbah didn't have 100% control when he was in charge.

If we can give power to a fraud like misbah, why can't we give power to Imad? Why give power to rizzu instead? We can't keep hugging the opposition 24/7

What went wrong when misbah was in charge?

 

[mominsaigol]

What went wrong when misbah was in charge?

Everything

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Forget white ball cricket. Want to see Misbah's bowling attack of Imran Khan snr, Musa etc. touring South Africa later this year.

Saffers are not that good a Test side now but should be fun to watch.

And after PAK get whitewashed , Misbah will send the youngest member of the touring squad to do the post match interview.

 

[Hawkeye]

Good.

Pakistan cricket is currently at its worst, we’re not competitive even on home grounds anymore. We no longer know what it means to win.

Hopefully Misbah can turn things around.

I have a question from those criticizing this - are you really happy with the current state of Pak cricket?

We need someone with grass roots level experience and deep knowledge of the domestic system to turn things around.

Currently the only person who makes sense is Misbah, there’s no other person who is as knowledgeable as him when it comes to local cricket.

Most are bitter ex cricketers who come with a lot of baggage.

Hope the name is finalized soon so he gets a good chunk of time to work with our available players and devise a strategy to win us the T20i World Cup.

 

[Mohraheem]

Good.

Pakistan cricket is currently at its worst, we’re not competitive even on home grounds anymore. We no longer know what it means to win.

Hopefully Misbah can turn things around.

I have a question from those criticizing this - are you really happy with the current state of Pak cricket?

We need someone with grass roots level experience and deep knowledge of the domestic system to turn things around.

Currently the only person who makes sense is Misbah, there’s no other person who is as knowledgeable as him when it comes to local cricket.

Most are bitter ex cricketers who come with a lot of baggage.

Hope the name is finalized soon so he gets a good chunk of time to work with our available players and devise a strategy to win us the T20i World Cup.

No one was happy when Misbah took over! Umar akmal sent biryani to his for selection! We lost home matches because of his tuktuk tactics! Pakistan cricket needs to move forward no backward with Misbah!

 

[Mohraheem]

Misbah era will be all defensive cricket! Forget any Aggressive cricket! We will be all out for 160 in OdI.

 

[sweep_shot]

I think Pakistan need to assure job security to the head coach (be it domestic coach or foreign coach). Otherwise, many qualified candidates may not be interested.

 

[Varun]

No! No! No! Misbah Tuktuk Defensive mindset will ruin Pakistan AGAIN! Didn’t we learn something last time????? Stay away from this Person! He is only around cricket so he can make his way for his Son who will be parchi 2.0! Stay Away from Misbah

Who is Misbah's son?

 

[sweep_shot]

Who is Misbah's son?

Misbah's son is Faham-ul-Haq.

 

[Savak]

To his credit, Misbah understood the local domestic conditions better than others who followed him. Do not believe he would have okayed the pathetic benign pitches we saw for the Australia, England, New Zealand series.

 

[muqarrab]

Everything

What comprises everything?

 

[Mohraheem]

why isn’t Misbah concentrating on his Business Degree! Is it safe to say that maybe it’s a fake degree ?? Why he has to ruin Pakistan Cricket.

 

[Mohraheem]

Misbah's son is Faham-ul-Haq.

One of the worst player! After Chacha

 

[PakEngFan]

Misbah's son is Faham-ul-Haq.

He is miles worse than his dad and that says a lot.

 

[Slim]

Good.

Pakistan cricket is currently at its worst, we’re not competitive even on home grounds anymore. We no longer know what it means to win.

Hopefully Misbah can turn things around.

I have a question from those criticizing this - are you really happy with the current state of Pak cricket?

We need someone with grass roots level experience and deep knowledge of the domestic system to turn things around.

Currently the only person who makes sense is Misbah, there’s no other person who is as knowledgeable as him when it comes to local cricket.

Most are bitter ex cricketers who come with a lot of baggage.

Hope the name is finalized soon so he gets a good chunk of time to work with our available players and devise a strategy to win us the T20i World Cup.

Insane that after all this time someone can stick to their one view for so long. As if its a scene from 1984. Crazy.

 

[daytrader]

Good.

Pakistan cricket is currently at its worst, we’re not competitive even on home grounds anymore. We no longer know what it means to win.

Hopefully Misbah can turn things around.

I have a question from those criticizing this - are you really happy with the current state of Pak cricket?

We need someone with grass roots level experience and deep knowledge of the domestic system to turn things around.

Currently the only person who makes sense is Misbah, there’s no other person who is as knowledgeable as him when it comes to local cricket.

Most are bitter ex cricketers who come with a lot of baggage.

Hope the name is finalized soon so he gets a good chunk of time to work with our available players and devise a strategy to win us the T20i World Cup.

Bro you are preaching to a choir that only has deep hate for Misbah and cannot fathom him as coach. With their elite observation and nightmares of cakes, they cannot see dignity in someone and will vouch for the corrupt. Misbah lives rent free in their minds. As they say, fools are aplenty in the World

 

[DeadlyVenom]

To his credit, Misbah understood the local domestic conditions better than others who followed him. Do not believe he would have okayed the pathetic benign pitches we saw for the Australia, England, New Zealand series.

He will be good as operations director for domestic cricket.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Misbah himself isn't willing to accept any offer from PCB.

PCB has lost it's credibility.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Misbah again is not going to change anything. Get somebody experienced and qualified. Why PCB is so desperate to hire individuals who have just retired in the last couple of years and have no real deal of proven experience and qualification?

 

[mominsaigol]

What comprises everything?

Brother he brought us to the point that our cricket was struggling against Zimbabwe.

Decisions such as having a lower order of kushdil Shah, asif Ali and iftikhar Ahmed, dropping fakhar to no 4,

Having umar akmal keep over sarfraz in 2015, making umar Amin a debutant his vice captain, choosing 5 spinners and 1 pacer in an 11, having asad shafiq at no 3 for years are such brain dead decisions that one has to wonder how many screws got loosened in his head over the years.

 

[Jabo]

Is this a joke?

He was terrible before, what is going to change this time?
May as well bring in Waqar Younis for the 50th time too then.

Once again, 10 steps backwards but overall the future is bleak anyway for Pakistan cricket.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Please keep this person away from Pakistan cricket at all cost.

 

[Mohraheem]

Keep Misbah and his Friend Chacha away from Pakistan cricket

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Misbah himself isn't willing to accept any offer from PCB.

PCB has lost it's credibility.

Better for Pakistan cricket because we cannot afford to have Misbah type coaches just before the World Cup.

 

[daytrader]

Misbah himself isn't willing to accept any offer from PCB.

PCB has lost it's credibility.

Insha'Allah he will not accept handouts from a corrupt regime. Some people want to live in dignity

 

[Rana]

Insha'Allah he will not accept handouts from a corrupt regime. Some people want to live in dignity

I’m sure he wants to live in dignity now that he has basically realised he is unwanted by pretty much everyone who loves Pakistan cricket

 

[mominsaigol]

Why do people even want Misbah?

Theirs a reason we call his era the dark days which is ironic considering our current state of affairs

 

[daytrader]

I’m sure he wants to live in dignity now that he has basically realised he is unwanted by pretty much everyone who loves Pakistan cricket

He resigned in dignity when RR came and even as a player was one of the few that was given a respectful farewell.

Everyone that loves Pakistan Cricket wants a sane person at the helm, not this constant chopping and changing. Oh and we definitely don't want fixers and blackmailers in the team. That's the real step backwards

 

[mominsaigol]

@daytrader

Look at your goat captain and your goat legend Misbah, Let's look at his amazing decisons from 2013 to 2015. And his decisons as coach.

Captaincy stint.

- Proceeds to make umar amin a debutant his vice captain and proceeds to habe asad shafiq a guy who avg 24 with a sr of 65 as a no 3 for years on end.

- Proceeds to make umar akmal his main keeper over sarfraz who ended up becoming man of the match in 2 games and was the breakout star in the Australian test series, yet a brainless Umar akmal who can't even keep was his main keeper.

- Proceeds to have nasir jamshed as his main opener, Jamshed who by 2015 couldn't even score in the double digits and was giving Azam Khan a run for his money in terms of weight, What excellent fitness standards he has.

- Has bowlers like ehsan adil as his front line bowler lol.

- Randomly makes imran farhat his main ct opener over performing openers in domestic like sami aslam who on debut scored 49 of 49 but was dropped after one game.

- Choose 5 spinners and one pacer in one game.

- Randomly choose azhar Ali as his successor despite mever playing azhar for 4 years during his stint.

- Never wins a single icc trophy during his stint.

^^ Captain to dekho apna.

Would you like me to review his tenure as a coach?

 

[mominsaigol]

He resigned in dignity when RR came and even as a player was one of the few that was given a respectful farewell.

Everyone that loves Pakistan Cricket wants a sane person at the helm, not this constant chopping and changing. Oh and we definitely don't want fixers and blackmailers in the team. That's the real step backwards

Yes it's completly sane to include 5 spinners and one pacer in your line up against Australia in 2012 and get butchered straight after.

What a sane man misbah is, I'm so impressed by his 5 spinners and one pacer strategy.

 

[TheSultan]

Oh please no! Just get over this guy please. Move on

 

[Cricket Warrior]

its very unlikely that Misbah will get any role after his horrible tenure.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

He resigned in dignity when RR came and even as a player was one of the few that was given a respectful farewell.

Everyone that loves Pakistan Cricket wants a sane person at the helm, not this constant chopping and changing. Oh and we definitely don't want fixers and blackmailers in the team. That's the real step backwards

If you support someone as a player it doesn’t mean you have to support him as coach.

I’m a huge fan of Afridi, and if he was made coach I’d be pretty annoyed.

Misbah isn’t cut for the job, he doesn’t come across as someone that can get the best out of his players.

 

[mominsaigol]

If you support someone as a player it doesn’t mean you have to support him as coach.

I’m a huge fan of Afridi, and if he was made coach I’d be pretty annoyed.

Misbah isn’t cut for the job, he doesn’t come across as someone that can get the best out of his players.

@YousafTheBeast @topspin


Afridi as a coach wouldn't be that bad an idea for t20 only.

He believes in a brand of aggressive cricket. He'd easily forward a batting line up of saim and fakhar opening.

He's also an huge advocate on genuine allrounders and developing specialist spinners so people like shadab and nawaz would go bye bye.

His only problem is his approach to fast bowling. Since he has the same issue as shaheen wanting to overpitch to try to take a wicket on every ball.

But afridi also doesn't let his ego get in the way, shaheen Shah afridi was the guy who advocated for Amir and imad.

And people forget that afridi was a gun captain, the last time we reached the semi final on a cup was under his Reign despite playing with an otherwise average team, its just we chocked against India but during his time Pakistan vs India was a generally a battle of bat(India) and ball(Pakistan)

Now they outclass as 24/7, Major's argument of sarfraz winning because misbah didn't have psl superstars doesn't make any sense, since 2007 to 2011 we would either win cups or reach in the semi final or final, only exception being 2007 wc, now getting into SF is a surprise for us lol.

The only problem with Afridi was that he advocated Ahmed shehzad opening because he saw how aggressive the lad was in bpl, but when he came onto international, He became another tuktuk menace by which point afridi cut ties with him due to his attitude.

 

[Mohraheem]

@daytrader

Look at your goat captain and your goat legend Misbah, Let's look at his amazing decisons from 2013 to 2015. And his decisons as coach.

Captaincy stint.

- Proceeds to make umar amin a debutant his vice captain and proceeds to habe asad shafiq a guy who avg 24 with a sr of 65 as a no 3 for years on end.

- Proceeds to make umar akmal his main keeper over sarfraz who ended up becoming man of the match in 2 games and was the breakout star in the Australian test series, yet a brainless Umar akmal who can't even keep was his main keeper.

- Proceeds to have nasir jamshed as his main opener, Jamshed who by 2015 couldn't even score in the double digits and was giving Azam Khan a run for his money in terms of weight, What excellent fitness standards he has.

- Has bowlers like ehsan adil as his front line bowler lol.

- Randomly makes imran farhat his main ct opener over performing openers in domestic like sami aslam who on debut scored 49 of 49 but was dropped after one game.

- Choose 5 spinners and one pacer in one game.

- Randomly choose azhar Ali as his successor despite mever playing azhar for 4 years during his stint.

- Never wins a single icc trophy during his stint.

^^ Captain to dekho apna.

Would you like me to review his tenure as a coach?

This post is perfect !!!! People should really read this and move on from Misbah

 

[BouncerGuy]

We should move on from already tried and tested guys. Misbah should be gaining some experience and qualification in the coaching field rather than sitting on TV shows as an analyst before he can be considered for the head coach role.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

@YousafTheBeast @topspin


Afridi as a coach wouldn't be that bad an idea for t20 only.

He believes in a brand of aggressive cricket. He'd easily forward a batting line up of saim and fakhar opening.

He's also an huge advocate on genuine allrounders and developing specialist spinners so people like shadab and nawaz would go bye bye.

His only problem is his approach to fast bowling. Since he has the same issue as shaheen wanting to overpitch to try to take a wicket on every ball.

But afridi also doesn't let his ego get in the way, shaheen Shah afridi was the guy who advocated for Amir and imad.

And people forget that afridi was a gun captain, the last time we reached the semi final on a cup was under his Reign despite playing with an otherwise average team, its just we chocked against India but during his time Pakistan vs India was a generally a battle of bat(India) and ball(Pakistan)

Now they outclass as 24/7, Major's argument of sarfraz winning because misbah didn't have psl superstars doesn't make any sense, since 2007 to 2011 we would either win cups or reach in the semi final or final, only exception being 2007 wc, now getting into SF is a surprise for us lol.

The only problem with Afridi was that he advocated Ahmed shehzad opening because he saw how aggressive the lad was in bpl, but when he came onto international, He became another tuktuk menace by which point afridi cut ties with him due to his attitude.

My only worry with Afridi would be that he hasn’t got the temperament to be a coach. A couple of losses and the media will pounce on him.

He’s the kind of guy that wants to see results immediately, and if he doesn’t see it he’ll start to panic.

 

[mominsaigol]

My only worry with Afridi would be that he hasn’t got the temperament to be a coach. A couple of losses and the media will pounce on him.

He’s the kind of guy that wants to see results immediately, and if he doesn’t see it he’ll start to panic.

I'm not so sure about that because he captained well despite the whole team being under scrutiny after out 3 spot fixers.

He handled the pressure extremely well.

The only issue was by 2016 he was a horrible captain as he lost interest in playing the game altogether, but as a coach if he can maintain that 2011 tempo he'd be fine.

Under his leadership their was zero drama bazi, he could keep even the most arrogant players like YK in-line. On top of that he had an excellent formula of 2 aggressive openers for a good start followed by 3 accumulators tobsteady the innings and then 3 aggressive finishers. And his bowling and fielding standards + team fitness standards were top notch, he handled pressure extremely well especially considering how hostile the 2011 crowd was to us in general.

If you compare his strategy to babar's strategy for 2 accumulators at opening, followed by 3 more accumulators, followed by 3 pseudo allrounders who can't finish, followed by 3 run machines and no specialist spinners, I think you can see why he'd be decent as a coach.

 

[Bewal Express]

Misbah is more suited to an Admin role such as the Director of cricketing operations. His outlook is too negative to be coach or any kind of selector. He is also very loyal to average players that he knows and played with. This is usually a strength but not in his case

 

[RidiculousMan]

Misbah is more suited to an Admin role such as the Director of cricketing operations. His outlook is too negative to be coach or any kind of selector. He is also very loyal to average players that he knows and played with. This is usually a strength but not in his case

He should be PCB Chairman

 

[Bewal Express]

He should be PCB Chairman

Not a bad call. Just not a coach or a selector

 

[FearlessRoar]

I agree with you. Misbah should be the director of cricket operations at PCB.

 

[Rana]

I agree with you. Misbah should be the director of cricket operations at PCB.

Misbah won’t last 1 month in the job.

 

[JaDed]

Deju Vu felt a Deja Vu- PCB

If there was Drew Barrymore from Fifty first Dates, PCB would be the only thing that would seem the same.

 

[160KPH]

Yes it's completly sane to include 5 spinners and one pacer in your line up against Australia in 2012 and get butchered straight after.

What a sane man misbah is, I'm so impressed by his 5 spinners and one pacer strategy.

Which match are you referring to?

Is it the match against Australia in the T20 WC in 2012? That strategy ended up working amazing and we choked them with spin and ended up winning the match by 32 runs.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

He should be PCB Chairman

Why not a PM of Pakistan?

 

[Kroll]

Has someone released their April Fools Day draft early by mistake?

 

[RidiculousMan]

Why not a PM of Pakistan?

Not enough incompetence to be qualified.

 

[mominsaigol]

Which match are you referring to?

Is it the match against Australia in the T20 WC in 2012? That strategy ended up working amazing and we choked them with spin and ended up winning the match by 32 runs.

Not it was in a series in an odi match.

The t20 wc part was mostly cause of chucking lol

 

[topspin]

@YousafTheBeast @topspin


Afridi as a coach wouldn't be that bad an idea for t20 only.

He believes in a brand of aggressive cricket. He'd easily forward a batting line up of saim and fakhar opening.

He's also an huge advocate on genuine allrounders and developing specialist spinners so people like shadab and nawaz would go bye bye.

His only problem is his approach to fast bowling. Since he has the same issue as shaheen wanting to overpitch to try to take a wicket on every ball.

But afridi also doesn't let his ego get in the way, shaheen Shah afridi was the guy who advocated for Amir and imad.

And people forget that afridi was a gun captain, the last time we reached the semi final on a cup was under his Reign despite playing with an otherwise average team, its just we chocked against India but during his time Pakistan vs India was a generally a battle of bat(India) and ball(Pakistan)

Now they outclass as 24/7, Major's argument of sarfraz winning because misbah didn't have psl superstars doesn't make any sense, since 2007 to 2011 we would either win cups or reach in the semi final or final, only exception being 2007 wc, now getting into SF is a surprise for us lol.

The only problem with Afridi was that he advocated Ahmed shehzad opening because he saw how aggressive the lad was in bpl, but when he came onto international, He became another tuktuk menace by which point afridi cut ties with him due to his attitude.

I would much rather have Afridi over Misbah but I'm going to say no.

If we cast our minds back to the 2010 Pakistan v Australia series, which was played in England, he was appointed as test captain. Pakistan lost the first test and what does he do? He doesn't just resign, but he ended up retiring from test cricket.

After walking out on the team, Salman Butt took over and we all know what he did a few months later.

I know Afridi cannot be held responsible for the sins of others, however the spot fixing wouldn't have happened under his watch. He was possibly the last player in the squad who would take a bribe.

I can't forgive Afridi for what walking out on the team.

 

[Kroll]

Would be a black day for Pakistan cricket, RIP.

Its almost dead anyway, bringing back Misbah would be like flogging a dead horse.

But let me remind those very few who would accept or be in his favour returning how he bailed on the team before the start of the WC like a coward.

Is this the type of character you would want leading your team never mind his incompetence and lack of qualifications for the role.

 

[topspin]

But let me remind those very few who would accept or be in his favour returning how he bailed on the team before the start of the WC like a coward.

Remind me when was this?

 

[Major]

Its almost dead anyway, bringing back Misbah would be like flogging a dead horse.

But let me remind those very few who would accept or be in his favour returning how he bailed on the team before the start of the WC like a coward.

Is this the type of character you would want leading your team never mind his incompetence and lack of qualifications for the role.

he was fired by rameez. RR said to him either voluntary resign or you will be fired, because RR was not allowing Misbah to travel as a coach with the team to the wc.

 

[mominsaigol]

I would much rather have Afridi over Misbah but I'm going to say no.

If we cast our minds back to the 2010 Pakistan v Australia series, which was played in England, he was appointed as test captain. Pakistan lost the first test and what does he do? He doesn't just resign, but he ended up retiring from test cricket.

After walking out on the team, Salman Butt took over and we all know what he did a few months later.

I know Afridi cannot be held responsible for the sins of others, however the spot fixing wouldn't have happened under his watch. He was possibly the last player in the squad who would take a bribe.

I can't forgive Afridi for what walking out on the team.

That's fair but why not atleast follow afridi's formula considering it was the same formula that got us to a semi final? Sarfraz's formula in ct 2017 is ironically extremely similar to Afridi's?

2 aggressive opener followed by 3 accumulators who can up the ante and increase sr( perfect combination if openers fail early and still perfect if openers get us to high flyer) and finally followed by 3 lower order finishers?

Look at CT 2017 formula

Fakhar (Aggressive opener)
Azhar( Proper test class bat who can keep up with fakhar and rotate strike
Babar( Accumulator)
Hafeez( Allrounder who accumulates but can up the ante and be aggressive)
Malik (Same as hafeez)
Sarfraz( Can be makeshift and play according to the situation)
Imad( Proper finisher)
Hasan ali( His 2017 form allowed him to hit sixes and bowl well at 8)
Shadab( Good spinner in 2017 don't know what happened later)
Amir (Cheetah)
Juniad khan( Still better the Rauf lol)

Now compare Misbah and Babar's formula

Misbah 2015

1) Ahmed shehzad ( Hahahaha)
2) Nasir jamshed ( )
3) YK (Allah Khair karei)
4) Haris sohail( Only batter worth a damn)
5) Misbah (Mohaliiiiiiiiiii)
6) Umar akmal (what a great keeper)
7) Afridi (Fair)
8) Rahat ali ( )
9) Ehsan Adil ()
10) Wahab Riaz
11) Sohail Khan

The top order is 5 accumulators with only haris sohail being able to actually adapt? Followed by 2 power hitters that are one hit wonders?

Now wanna see babar's formula

1) Imam ul Haq (haha)
2) Abdullah (haha)
3) Babar
4) Rizwan (Haha)
5) Agha/Saud( In case of agha who was first choice, Haha, if its saud, horrible batting no to give him)
6) Chacha ( okay I take back what I said, Babar actually plays all accumulators unlike misbah , his formula is even worse)
7) Shadab (Mera match winner)
8) Nawaz( Mera match winner)
9) Shaheen
10) Hasan ali( Has been in 2023)
11) Rauf ( Haha)

Babar formula is the same as misbah except he goes for accumulators at 6 and 7 as well.

In contrast afridi's formula wasn't bad.

Kamran akmal opening with hafeez was the right call even if hafeez isn't great at opening, since if hafeez could survive he'd be able to bash. It was an aggressive opening pair one that dismantles west Indies in the quarter finals.

Shafiq, Yk and Misbah were trash no 3,4 and 5, but the reason for their selection was their test form which sadly didn't translate to odi which is why afridi made a mistake.

Lastly Afridi, Umar Akmal and Razzaq at 6,7, amd 8 was good since in 2011 they were still decent even razzaq who was burnt out was good.

 

[daytrader]

Its almost dead anyway, bringing back Misbah would be like flogging a dead horse.

But let me remind those very few who would accept or be in his favour returning how he bailed on the team before the start of the WC like a coward.

Is this the type of character you would want leading your team never mind his incompetence and lack of qualifications for the role.

He certainly did not. He was isolating in covid in the West Indies, while Ramiz Raja was going behind the coach's back to select a squad for the WC. He resigned in dignity

 

[ask_analyse_act]

He was an absolute disaster. Please not again.

He talks a good game on TV, knows his stuff, but shouldn't be near the running of our national team because when he is in authority he seems to forget all he preaches on TV.

How quickly have the PCB went from Mike Hesson, Langer and Kirsten to Misbah by the way?

Exactly infront of the mic , he seems to talk like will change everything for good , talks whats in fans and everybodys mind but when given the job does the opposite , chill and chew the same old stuff...

 

[ask_analyse_act]

That's fair but why not atleast follow afridi's formula considering it was the same formula that got us to a semi final? Sarfraz's formula in ct 2017 is ironically extremely similar to Afridi's?

2 aggressive opener followed by 3 accumulators who can up the ante and increase sr( perfect combination if openers fail early and still perfect if openers get us to high flyer) and finally followed by 3 lower order finishers?

Look at CT 2017 formula

Fakhar (Aggressive opener)
Azhar( Proper test class bat who can keep up with fakhar and rotate strike
Babar( Accumulator)
Hafeez( Allrounder who accumulates but can up the ante and be aggressive)
Malik (Same as hafeez)
Sarfraz( Can be makeshift and play according to the situation)
Imad( Proper finisher)
Hasan ali( His 2017 form allowed him to hit sixes and bowl well at 8)
Shadab( Good spinner in 2017 don't know what happened later)
Amir (Cheetah)
Juniad khan( Still better the Rauf lol)

Now compare Misbah and Babar's formula

Misbah 2015

1) Ahmed shehzad ( Hahahaha)
2) Nasir jamshed ( )
3) YK (Allah Khair karei)
4) Haris sohail( Only batter worth a damn)
5) Misbah (Mohaliiiiiiiiiii)
6) Umar akmal (what a great keeper)
7) Afridi (Fair)
8) Rahat ali ( )
9) Ehsan Adil ()
10) Wahab Riaz
11) Sohail Khan

The top order is 5 accumulators with only haris sohail being able to actually adapt? Followed by 2 power hitters that are one hit wonders?

Now wanna see babar's formula

1) Imam ul Haq (haha)
2) Abdullah (haha)
3) Babar
4) Rizwan (Haha)
5) Agha/Saud( In case of agha who was first choice, Haha, if its saud, horrible batting no to give him)
6) Chacha ( okay I take back what I said, Babar actually plays all accumulators unlike misbah , his formula is even worse)
7) Shadab (Mera match winner)
8) Nawaz( Mera match winner)
9) Shaheen
10) Hasan ali( Has been in 2023)
11) Rauf ( Haha)

Babar formula is the same as misbah except he goes for accumulators at 6 and 7 as well.

In contrast afridi's formula wasn't bad.

Kamran akmal opening with hafeez was the right call even if hafeez isn't great at opening, since if hafeez could survive he'd be able to bash. It was an aggressive opening pair one that dismantles west Indies in the quarter finals.

Shafiq, Yk and Misbah were trash no 3,4 and 5, but the reason for their selection was their test form which sadly didn't translate to odi which is why afridi made a mistake.

Lastly Afridi, Umar Akmal and Razzaq at 6,7, amd 8 was good since in 2011 they were still decent even razzaq who was burnt out was good.

highlighted the fact the Babar is same or even worse than Misbah when it comes to team selection strategy , also a stubborn guy who resists changes for the good and future.

Wouldnt be surprised if he opens with rizwan and push Saim to no.3 or even lower...

 

[shaz619]

Why has Misbah ul Haq been contacted? how many more players do they want him to corrupt. They’ve already tarnished Babar’s image.

 

[Mohraheem]

Exactly infront of the mic , he seems to talk like will change everything for good , talks whats in fans and everybodys mind but when given the job does the opposite , chill and chew the same old stuff...

As long he makes money. He is very greedy. He doesn’t care. Just like the WC Mohali. Tuktuk and wanted to fire at end which back fired on him. One of the Useless player.

 

[Mohraheem]

Misbah should be banned from PCT. He has no shame after quitting or forced quit. He destroyed Pakistan cricket and wants to do it again.

 

[mominsaigol]

highlighted the fact the Babar is same or even worse than Misbah when it comes to team selection strategy , also a stubborn guy who resists changes for the good and future.

Wouldnt be surprised if he opens with rizwan and push Saim to no.3 or even lower...

Babar is 100x worse then misbah.

Misbah biggest problem was team selection, but his onfield captaincy was fine. He made good on field decisions. Wanna see babar's on field decisions?

1) Kept a 3rd slip but not a 2nd or 1st slip in the game against england in the wc resulting in multiple boundaries past edge slip.

2) Had nawaz bowl final overs 2x lol, even though nawaz proved he can't take a wicket if his life depends on it, imagine asking a dude who's never taken a wicket in the wc to take the final wicket against sa?

3) Scolds and shouts at the team if their losing resulting in more pressure, more misfields, drop catches etc.

4) Burns his reviews 24/7, because the captain is clueless and doesn't understand bowlers like shaheen love wasting reviews.

5) Against India, India had collapsed against pace, yet babar rather then rotating pace with spin, he brings in 30 overs of spin from shadab, nawaz and agha lol allowing India to recover. Had that game not rained off, Pakistan wouldn't have chased 260 with siraj, Shami, chinaman and Bumrah bowling.

 

[aukhan]

Misbah wont go away easily.

Bringing back Waqar would complete the trifecta of mediocrity.

 

[Rana]

Who contacted him? Expose that piece of trash in the PCB!

 

[mominsaigol]

Misbah wont go away easily.

Bringing back Waqar would complete the trifecta of mediocrity.

Waqar, Misbah, Babar, So basically death of Pakistan cricket. Like actual death

 

[daytrader]

Waqar, Misbah, Babar, So basically death of Pakistan cricket. Like actual death

So do you think Pakistan cricket was alive before Misbah?

What do you make of the performances in 2003 WC, 2004 Champions trophy or the 2007 humiliation?

 

[mominsaigol]

So do you think Pakistan cricket was alive before Misbah?

What do you make of the performances in 2003 WC, 2004 Champions trophy or the 2007 humiliation?

Warning: This post will be long, read at your own pace .

2003, 2004 and 2007, I was 2,3 and 6 years old round about at the time, so I have no clue about that era.

My first time ever watching cricket or understanding the game was In 2010 wc and my first ever match that I watched was Australia vs Pakistan semi final. After that I barely was interested until 2011 wc where I started watching frequently.

So I can comment in 2011 aka one year before misbah and 2017, one year after azhar ali(Misbah's successor)

2011 Afridi team deapite being poor on paper was a gelled unit that punched massively > Its weight, they beat probably the strongest ir 2nd strongest Sri lankan team in history, Ended Australia's unbeaten streak granted 2011 Australia was the weakest aussie unit of all time, and won every match minus a crushing MZ defeat.

It required India the strongest tournament team to get rid of em, but multiple things cost us that day, YK dropping catches, shafiq being a failure in odi as usual dint know why misabh forwarded your oozing with talent hero, and misbah being infamous for Mohali.

Afterwards Misbah took a similar unit and botched and butchered it beyond belief. Misbah era was the worst era of Pakistan white ball cricket as far as I'm aware often being dubbed as the dark days.

Afterwards 2017 was a recovery with a team being filled with psl superstars. 2018-2019 aren't as bad as people make it out to be. We were always a medicore team that managed to somehow punch > our weight and get lucky in 2 matches, however we weren't as bad as people overexagurrate. The 2018-2019 period resulted in losses but alot of experimentation with abid, Imam, Rizwan, Nawaz, Shaheen, and various other players coming into the fold,

We yielded poor results but this period features the most no of experimentation we ever had which was a step in the right direction, 2019 wc campaign wasn't that bad either, yes we flunked West Indies, but we overall played well, we lost to the teams that we obviously lose to like India, But we beat the 2 finalists of the tournament and came well and good. We weren't realistically ever winning, that wc had 2019 England on the wall, either that or one of NZ or Australia would snatch it.

Post 2019 however thanks to misbah and Babar is a horror show.

In terms of experimentation old horses rather then fresh blood was brought back. With the likes of akmal, Irfan, Shehzad, chacha(who's a 40+ dinosaur), Shan(Although for shan I think it's pcb nepotism), being brought back and it yielded beyond pathetic results .

From 2019-2023 the imam-Fakhar opening combo didn't change even though other openers better then imam could have been tried during this period, The likes of khusdil Shah, Asif Ali, chacha became mainstay with more failures like nawaz becoming mainstay as well.

Their was no planning on creating a pool of backups, only now we've decided to create a pool via kakul camp.

Furthermore results were beyond abysmal, 2022 wc was a joke for Babar and rizwan and badly exposed the opening combo misbah envisioned, heck this pindi series alone is exposing this combo for the millionth time but obviously you guys are waiting for Babar and rizwan to somehow score thay 100 against c string and then hold onto it for another decade when they fail another 100x.

2023 wc was a horror show, with the mawaz tu hai mera match winner nonsense failing, and the lack of overall experimentation but last minute panicks on Abdullah and saud also just being a hilarious fail on why Babar is terrible at building a cohesive unit.

This tour itself is failing, A weakened NZ side is competing against full srrength Pakistan at their home venue with babar and rizwan as well as the bowlers being badly badly exposed, Shadab as a spinner being exposed again, mot like he wasn't at 2023 lol and chacha also flunking.

Babar's stats against Bracewell, Kuldeep, and any decent spinner should have already expised the reality on your sher, and misbah's horrific results as captain and coach should have exposed the reality as well.

Their is no argument to be had. 2017-2019 was the only era compelty free from misbah's influence. And in thay era alone despite alot of fullbacks, it was the only era which yielded an icc victory and featured the biggest no of experimentation such shaheen, Imad opening bowling in t20, rizwan's introduction etc which are still valid today.

As much as you hate anything non misbah related, your Babar sher at permanent no 3 thanks to mickey, Rizwan's introduced as a permanent backup keeper, Shaheen’s introduction, imad wasim opening the bowling, Shadab's introduction all these main stayers came during the sarfraz era. And era that you mock for 2018 lol.

 

[160KPH]

Misbah era was the worst era of Pakistan white ball cricket as far as I'm aware often being dubbed as the dark days.

I know you said you weren’t really following cricket back then, but 2007 was by far the most embarassing cricket performance I can remember.

We were in a group with the West Indies, Zimbabwe, and Ireland. The only team we managed to beat was Zimbabwe when had already basically been knocked out of the tournament by Ireland.

 

[mominsaigol]

I know you said you weren’t really following cricket back then, but 2007 was by far the most embarassing cricket performance I can remember.

We were in a group with the West Indies, Zimbabwe, and Ireland. The only team we managed to beat was Zimbabwe when had already basically been knocked out of the tournament by Ireland.

How could I follow it? I was 6 years old

 

[daytrader]

Warning: This post will be long, read at your own pace .

2003, 2004 and 2007, I was 2,3 and 6 years old round about at the time, so I have no clue about that era.

My first time ever watching cricket or understanding the game was In 2010 wc and my first ever match that I watched was Australia vs Pakistan semi final. After that I barely was interested until 2011 wc where I started watching frequently.

So I can comment in 2011 aka one year before misbah and 2017, one year after azhar ali(Misbah's successor)

2011 Afridi team deapite being poor on paper was a gelled unit that punched massively > Its weight, they beat probably the strongest ir 2nd strongest Sri lankan team in history, Ended Australia's unbeaten streak granted 2011 Australia was the weakest aussie unit of all time, and won every match minus a crushing MZ defeat.

It required India the strongest tournament team to get rid of em, but multiple things cost us that day, YK dropping catches, shafiq being a failure in odi as usual dint know why misabh forwarded your oozing with talent hero, and misbah being infamous for Mohali.

Afterwards Misbah took a similar unit and botched and butchered it beyond belief. Misbah era was the worst era of Pakistan white ball cricket as far as I'm aware often being dubbed as the dark days.

Afterwards 2017 was a recovery with a team being filled with psl superstars. 2018-2019 aren't as bad as people make it out to be. We were always a medicore team that managed to somehow punch > our weight and get lucky in 2 matches, however we weren't as bad as people overexagurrate. The 2018-2019 period resulted in losses but alot of experimentation with abid, Imam, Rizwan, Nawaz, Shaheen, and various other players coming into the fold,

We yielded poor results but this period features the most no of experimentation we ever had which was a step in the right direction, 2019 wc campaign wasn't that bad either, yes we flunked West Indies, but we overall played well, we lost to the teams that we obviously lose to like India, But we beat the 2 finalists of the tournament and came well and good. We weren't realistically ever winning, that wc had 2019 England on the wall, either that or one of NZ or Australia would snatch it.

Post 2019 however thanks to misbah and Babar is a horror show.

In terms of experimentation old horses rather then fresh blood was brought back. With the likes of akmal, Irfan, Shehzad, chacha(who's a 40+ dinosaur), Shan(Although for shan I think it's pcb nepotism), being brought back and it yielded beyond pathetic results .

From 2019-2023 the imam-Fakhar opening combo didn't change even though other openers better then imam could have been tried during this period, The likes of khusdil Shah, Asif Ali, chacha became mainstay with more failures like nawaz becoming mainstay as well.

Their was no planning on creating a pool of backups, only now we've decided to create a pool via kakul camp.

Furthermore results were beyond abysmal, 2022 wc was a joke for Babar and rizwan and badly exposed the opening combo misbah envisioned, heck this pindi series alone is exposing this combo for the millionth time but obviously you guys are waiting for Babar and rizwan to somehow score thay 100 against c string and then hold onto it for another decade when they fail another 100x.

2023 wc was a horror show, with the mawaz tu hai mera match winner nonsense failing, and the lack of overall experimentation but last minute panicks on Abdullah and saud also just being a hilarious fail on why Babar is terrible at building a cohesive unit.

This tour itself is failing, A weakened NZ side is competing against full srrength Pakistan at their home venue with babar and rizwan as well as the bowlers being badly badly exposed, Shadab as a spinner being exposed again, mot like he wasn't at 2023 lol and chacha also flunking.

Babar's stats against Bracewell, Kuldeep, and any decent spinner should have already expised the reality on your sher, and misbah's horrific results as captain and coach should have exposed the reality as well.

Their is no argument to be had. 2017-2019 was the only era compelty free from misbah's influence. And in thay era alone despite alot of fullbacks, it was the only era which yielded an icc victory and featured the biggest no of experimentation such shaheen, Imad opening bowling in t20, rizwan's introduction etc which are still valid today.

As much as you hate anything non misbah related, your Babar sher at permanent no 3 thanks to mickey, Rizwan's introduced as a permanent backup keeper, Shaheen’s introduction, imad wasim opening the bowling, Shadab's introduction all these main stayers came during the sarfraz era. And era that you mock for 2018 lol.

If 2017-2019 was free from Misbah's influence then so too since 2021. So why the constant bashing? I mean you go out of your way to create threads on Misbah. Why do you still dub this era as being influenced by Misbah.

And no it wasn't dark days due to Misbah. It was dark days due to losing some of our best players to Spot fixing and due to no cricket at home. In those dark days, we beat India in India in ODIs and won the test mace.

Khair this was not the question I asked. So since you can't comment on 2003 to 2007, you have no idea what actual dark days in the cricketing sense were. We had so called legends playing but with little results. It wasn't until we got Amir, Asif and a tactically smart captain and opener in Salman Butt that we got some hope back. But then we lost them too. We were in shambles during this period. Misbah too proved to be a saving grace where we actually started making tournament knockouts on the back of his performances.

The romance with the era before Misbah is delusional at best. We had become a nothing team no matter what kind of legends represented us. Not like we were any world beaters