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The letter that proves foreign interference to remove PM Imran Khan

So if the PK govt phoned the American Army in the Trump debacle, that wouldn't be seen as interference. Such a silly answer.

Bewal bhai, you are beinging ignorant on purpose now.

Phoning and sayibg something is different.

All usa has said is the army should not interfere. It did not ask the army to nake sure pdm won. If they did that, that would be democratically wrong.

The army being asked to stay neutral and let a natural process take place.

I think your concern should be that why wasnt the army acting neutral in the first place.

You are ok with army getting involved when it favours pti
 
Are you acting naive on purpose.

The vote of no confidence was somwthing ppp had proposed last year to pdm. But pdm disagreed to this which is why ppp left this. Than by the start of the year the vote of no confidence thing again started. Vonc was gonna happen either way, the letter came later before the motion was submitted.

I am naive, Off course the Americans just had an had a dream that this would happen and decided to write the letter. Kaptaan laid bare the conspiracy and whose orders these crooks came together. Remember what Condi Rice said to BB in 2007, we know where your accounts are hidden.
 
Why losing majority in the house a foreign consipracy?

And in a democracy, isnt army supposed to neutral?

Thats the issue with pti fans. If army favours pti they have no issue with it.

The letter is quite true, it was sent to army not pm. Pm got it through russia.

But even in the letter, usa is not using resources or anything.
Pti fans are crying that they sre bringing a regime change when this is clearly not happening.

All they said was that army stay neutral, and let the natural process happen

Now pti fans wont accept that, because if they accept that its a natural process than they cant defeand the mantra that pti is loved by the country when it is not.....
 
I am naive, Off course the Americans just had an had a dream that this would happen and decided to write the letter. Kaptaan laid bare the conspiracy and whose orders these crooks came together. Remember what Condi Rice said to BB in 2007, we know where your accounts are hidden.

And as usual, you trying to divert the whole discussion you started.

Vonc has been talked about since last year..
 
Bewal bhai, you are beinging ignorant on purpose now.

Phoning and sayibg something is different.

All usa has said is the army should not interfere. It did not ask the army to nake sure pdm won. If they did that, that would be democratically wrong.

The army being asked to stay neutral and let a natural process take place.

I think your concern should be that why wasnt the army acting neutral in the first place.

You are ok with army getting involved when it favours pti

But why would they say that? What does it have to do with America? It was The Americans that forced the Mush to give the NRO to these crooks. Why do you think they did that? What do these crooks give them what Democrat's like IK can't?
 
And as usual, you trying to divert the whole discussion you started.

Vonc has been talked about since last year..

Talked about but why now? Why were the Americans privy to these conversations? Why not the Sri Lankans, or the Malawians?
 
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Its only imran's claim that foreign power is involved. If some foreign power is involved, i am sure there are laws he can use to control that.

Army is not a means to settle political issues.

Foreing power involvment isnt as if foreign power is manuevering things. If that was happening, that would had led to a parliamentary session and a crises would had unfolded.

The foreign powers told army to stay neutral and let the natural process to unearthen.

Pti fans are now trying to make it as if foreign powers are trying to force a regime change.

Its funny that no pti fan is ready to talk about why army is neutral.

This will be the first time in our history that a regime change is happening without army being involved.
 
But why would they say that? What does it have to do with America? It was The Americans that forced the Mush to give the NRO to these crooks. Why do you think they did that? What do these crooks give them what Democrat's like IK can't?

Just like how imran is making comments on ukraine and russia war.

Nothing is being forced.

Your issue is that why isnt army helping you.
 
The buck stops at the PM. Threatening an active sitting PM if real is an act of war.

Not sure why this is a subject of debate.

These kind of things are binary, either it’s a secret you handle with utmost discretion through back channels or you name and shame the aggressors/ traitors and deal with them with an iron first.

I don’t know why this is being made so complicated.
 
Foreing power involvment isnt as if foreign power is manuevering things. If that was happening, that would had led to a parliamentary session and a crises would had unfolded.

The foreign powers told army to stay neutral and let the natural process to unearthen.

Pti fans are now trying to make it as if foreign powers are trying to force a regime change.

Its funny that no pti fan is ready to talk about why army is neutral.

This will be the first time in our history that a regime change is happening without army being involved.

People must read the Kerry Luger act.
 
Just like how imran is making comments on ukraine and russia war.

Nothing is being forced.

Your issue is that why isnt army helping you.

All PK said was that it was neutral. Ind said the same.

Are you sure nothing is being forced? A Foreign power Connives with local thugs and the countries own armed forces to remove a PM. If that is OK with you than what is beghairati?
 
All PK said was that it was neutral. Ind said the same.

Are you sure nothing is being forced? A Foreign power Connives with local thugs and the countries own armed forces to remove a PM. If that is OK with you than what is beghairati?

Again you twist and turn everything you want. And i am just repeating myself again and again.

USA HAS ASKED PAK ARMY TO STAY NEUTRAL.

THats about it. They haven't used any resources or anything to make sure PDM wins the VONC.

Now instead of posting whataboutism, answer me this.

Do you want the army to favour PTI?
 
Again you twist and turn everything you want. And i am just repeating myself again and again.

USA HAS ASKED PAK ARMY TO STAY NEUTRAL.

THats about it. They haven't used any resources or anything to make sure PDM wins the VONC.

Now instead of posting whataboutism, answer me this.

Do you want the army to favour PTI?

Why would America ask PK army to stay neutral. What business does America have asking our army to stay neutral. You know why, why do the Americans love our crooks, why did they get them an NRO, As I said beghairati has some boundaries
 
Anchors like Malick who has bashed PTI a lot said the letter contained threats and said the wording was so strong he can't say it.

This group of looters and skum need to be routed out of the system and sent to prisons.
 
Why would America ask PK army to stay neutral. What business does America have asking our army to stay neutral. You know why, why do the Americans love our crooks, why did they get them an NRO, As I said beghairati has some boundaries

so you want army to favour pti.

so wanting rigging is not begairti... ok
 
USA telling Army to state neutral is not what is in the letter, more like change the government by hook or crook, and reinstall Yes Tom ministers.
 
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May be you are 14 years old. Or your IQ level is below zero.

All the official work in every country is done by letters with sigs and stamps.

Or, do your gov issue official notices via Whatsapp voice note?

Sending Conspiracy letters is not official work..lol
Thats illegal work.
 
I am planning on watching these , thanks for the reminder sister.

Have you seen the Putin interviews with Stone? Is this same?

BBC,CNN and all western media are simply lying through their teeth. I never seen so much propaganda...ever



I have seen the interviews, Brother - they are absolutely brilliant, and it is no surprise that many people in the West (critical thinkers unaffected by anti-Russian/Putin propaganda) support him.

Regarding BBC, CNN and the rest - Western corporate media, and the vassals of the West in Asia, the ME, Europe, Africa - are propaganda arms of the Military Industrial Complex. Journalists are war propagandists that profit from non-stop war-porn. War-porn is designed to instil hatred for particular individuals, groups, nations the West is at war with, and to fill them with fear about imminent threats to their safety, that of their families, country. It's a well-trodden path - every thing the West and its corporate media propaganda organs accuse Russia or other nations of doing, it does on an epic scale.

I recall the massive anti-Serb propaganda campaign - the weaponization of Muslims against Serbs - preceding, during and after the destruction of Yugoslavia. NATO bombed Serbia (can't remember the city, could have been the capital) for 78 consecutive days, that constitutes a war crime but Clinton and no Western leader has ever been brought to book.

And of course there was the build-up to the attack, invasion and occupation of Iraq - huge crusade to topple Saddam Hussein, a military campaign paid for by the Saudi regime. Read Scott Ritter's articles and listen/watch his interviews, they are absolutely mind-boggling - 'Former United Nations Weapons Inspector, former Marine Corps Intelligence Officer, author, analyst' (from his Twitter page) - and you will realize that everything we are being told is an utter lie.

The US wants regime change in Russia, to balkanize it - the way Yugoslavia was. It's as simple as that. What surprises me is the level of ignorance amongst Muslims, the extent to which they are brainwashed and how, ultimately, they deserve to be subservient to the West because they are incapable of independent thought and objective analysis. The intellectually lazy cannot be bothered to study, read, seek knowledge and the truth for themselves, they are content to live in idle ignorance and be told what to do and what is true.
 
so you want army to favour pti.

so wanting rigging is not begairti... ok

I want the PK army to favour our constitution. If that was the case than SS, NS,AZ, Billo and Maryam and all the crooks would be behind bars. Why did the PK army under Mush give an NRO. As I said when a man loses self respect, beghairati isn't an issue. Either you are constitutionalist or you aren't. You like to pick and chose.
 
so you want army to favour pti.

so wanting rigging is not begairti... ok

Who is talking about rigging? Why aren't you talking about bribing MNAs? Why aren't you talking about the Americans buying your party? As i said only beghairat people can accept this. Remember Mush did the Same in 2007, that didn't end well for him or PK
 
This should be eye-opening for many of the posters in this thread (of course, I am assuming they are not hypocrites):

 
I want the PK army to favour our constitution. If that was the case than SS, NS,AZ, Billo and Maryam and all the crooks would be behind bars. Why did the PK army under Mush give an NRO. As I said when a man loses self respect, beghairati isn't an issue. Either you are constitutionalist or you aren't. You like to pick and chose.

Do you want army to favour pti or not.

Plz dont start ulti seede khani,
 
ISLAMABAD: The government confirmed on Wednesday that its allegation about a foreign conspiracy against the prime minister was based on a diplomatic cable received from one of the country’s missions abroad.

At a rally in Islamabad on Sunday, Prime Minister Imran Khan claimed that the opposition’s no-confidence motion against him was a result of a “foreign conspiracy” because of his external policy and funds were being channelled from abroad to oust him from power.

Though he did not initially provide specific details about the threatening letter, he subsequently opened up a bit because of critics doubting his claim. The government initially offered to share the letter with the chief justice of Pakistan, but later the prime minister also briefed his cabinet members about the contents of the letter.

In view of the legal bar on disclosing classified documents, a group of journalists were then provided with minutes of the cabinet meeting at their interaction with the prime minister.

No foreign government was named in that meeting, but the media persons were informed that a Pakistani envoy was told by a senior official of the host country that they had issues with Prime Minister Khan’s foreign policy, especially his visit to Russia and the stance on the ongoing Ukrainian war.

The Pakistani envoy was further conveyed that the future trajectory of relations between the two countries was contingent upon the fate of the no-confidence motion that the opposition parties were then planning to bring against the prime minister. The envoy was warned of serious implications if Prime Minister Khan survived the no-trust vote.

The cable was reportedly sent on March 7, a day before the opposition submitted the no-confidence motion and requisitioned a National Assembly session for voting on it.

Meanwhile, it has separately emerged that the cable was sent by Pakistan’s then ambassador to United States Asad Majeed on the basis of his meeting with Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs Donald Lu.

Ambassador Majeed has now moved to Brussels for taking up his new assignment and has been replaced by Ambassador Masood Khan.

Contradictory claims have emerged from Islamabad and Washington about the meeting between Ambassador Majeed and Lu after PM Khan’s claim.

A senior Pakistani official told Dawn the language used in the meeting by the American side was unusually harsh.

Meanwhile, Americans deny in private discussions that any specific message was delivered to the Pakistani envoy.

It is a well-known fact that the administration of US President Joe Biden was uneasy with Mr Khan’s trip to Moscow that coincided with the start of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

US State Department had publicly voiced those concerns and both sides acknowledge that there had also been a communication between them ahead of Mr Khan’s Moscow trip in which an attempt was made to dissuade him from undertaking the visit.

Later on March 1, Islamabad-based Western diplomats had also issued a statement, urging the Pakistani government to condemn the Russian attack on Ukraine and support a resolution in the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) calling on Moscow to stop the war.

Pakistan went on to abstain in the UNGA vote and demanded that the conflict be resolved through dialogue and diplomacy.

The other issue the Americans reportedly had was with Mr Khan’s foreign policy.

A couple of Pakistan’s former envoys to the United States told Dawn American officials usually did not brandish threats during official meetings though their tone would vary from situation to situation.

Besides, countries routinely keep expressing displeasure or concern over others’ actions in bilateral engagements.

They said that even if threats were made in extreme situations, that was done in a subtle manner and, more importantly, a plausible deniability is maintained. “They will certainly not do so in the presence of note takers,” one of them quipped.

The two former ambassadors further observed that under PM Khan, the fundamentals of foreign policy had not changed except that he was more vocal. Therefore, it was difficult to understand why they would have an issue with his policy now, they maintained, adding that Islamabad had not threatened US interests either.

Interestingly, there were no signs of a rupture or new tensions in ties until Mr Khan went public with the threat.

Islamabad hosted Under Secretary for Civilian Security, Democracy, and Human Rights Uzra Zeya for the OIC Council of Foreign Ministers meeting held last week.

After a meeting with Ms Zeya, Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi tweeted: “Bilaterally, Pakistan has a longstanding relationship with the US and we believe a regular and structured dialogue process [was important] to promoting our bilateral and shared regional objectives. We look forward to commemorating Pak-US 75th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic ties this year.”

Even Ambassador Majeed thanked Mr Lu on Twitter for participation in an embassy event on March 16.

US diplomats in Islamabad were not demarched even after the disclosure.

A Western diplomat thinks that it has happened because someone had to be scapegoated for the current political crisis and there could have been no better option than the United States.

ANWAR IQBAL ADDS: Meanwhile,the US State Department said on Wednesday that no US government agency or official had sent a letter to Pakistan on the current political situation in the country.

Responding to questions from Dawn about the alleged letter and US involvement in the no-confidence motion against the PTI government, a State Department spokesperson said: “There is no truth to these allegations."

According to some diplomatic sources in Washington, the letter could be a diplomatic cable from Washington, drafted by a senior Pakistani diplomat. “The contents of the letter, apparently, are based on informal discussions between Pakistani and other officials,” one diplomatic source said.

“The contents, if correct, show a set of friendly officials from various countries indulging in some loud-thinking and probing. Nothing more,” the source added.

The sources said that such conversations often happened in capital cities around the world and diplomats often shared the contents of such conversations with authorities in their home countries.

“The purpose behind such cables is to keep your government informed. It’s no sign of a conspiracy against a government or a personality,” another diplomatic source said.

Published in Dawn, March 31st, 2022
 
ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan has decided to present a ‘secret letter’ before parliament, as the National Assembly session will resume on Thursday (today) after a recess of three days, in the hope that his party dissidents as well as disgruntled PTI allies would change their mind after becoming aware of its content and reject the opposition’s motion of no-confidence against him.

The premier shared the letter with the cabinet members in a hurriedly called meeting, which was not attended by its two major allies — Muttahida Qaumi Movement-Pakistan (MQM-P) and Balochistan Awami Party (BAP) — despite being invited, on Wednesday. It has been learnt that the letter was shown to the cabinet members on a TV screen.

Mr Khan also called a selected group of TV anchors and informed them that “the language of the letter was threatening and arrogant” and that Pakistan would face dire consequences if the no-confidence motion failed.

However, PM Khan did not show the letter to the media.

Meanwhile, Chief of the Army Staff (COAS) met PM Khan twice on Wednesday, after which some ministers claimed that neither the premier had been asked to resign nor would he opt for it.

Hopes disgruntled allies would return after learning of ‘foreign threat’

In a tweet, National Assembly Speaker Asad Qaisar stated: “If the parliamentary leaders from the government and the opposition side agree, the issue of the sensitive letter can be discussed at an in-camera meeting of the Parliamentary Committee on National Security.”

Also, former minister Faisal Vawda said the life of PM Khan was in danger.

In-camera session

“An in-camera session of the National Assembly or a joint sitting of parliament will be held in which the letter will be shared not only with the treasury benchers but also with those MNAs sitting on the opposition benches,” Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry told Dawn when contacted.

Soon after the cabinet meeting, Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid and Mr Chaudhry told the media that PM Khan would not tender his resignation [even after losing majority in the NA after MQM’s departure from the ruling coalition] and would continue to fight “for the nation and the country till last ball”.

Mr Chaudhry said the prime minister apprised the cabinet members that through the letter threats with dire consequences had been given. “Such kind of threats cannot be tolerated by any country,” the minister quoted the premier as saying.

“Now the political situation of the country is similar to the situation that arose during the 1992 cricket world cup when it seemed that Pakistani team was losing but finally it became victorious,” Mr Chaudhry said.

Anchors’ meeting with PM

Some of the TV anchors invited by PM Khan said they had not been shown the letter due to the Official Secrets Act, but he shared its contents with them.

“It could easily be assessed by the PM’s statement that the letter was not the normal information usually sent by envoys through cable but was based on a meeting in which some officials of a foreign country threatened that if the opposition’s no-trust motion failed, Pakistan will face dire consequences,” said Geo News anchor Shehzad Iqbal.

Mr Khan, he said, was of the opinion that the disgruntled PTI allies, who were unaware of the letter, would return to the government when it would be presented before parliament. According to Mr Khan, he added, the letter mentioned it was not his government or state decision, but solely the PM’s decision to pay an official visit to Russia last month.

The PM told journalists that the document had been shared with army and intelligence chiefs as well.

Mr Khan also decided to address the nation on what he termed “an international conspiracy”, but Senator Faisal Javed told the media that the address had been cancelled as the premier was busy in important meetings. The senator believed the opposition would not be able to bring 172 MNAs on the voting day. “Captain [PM] and the nation will win,” he remarked.

‘Imported crisis’

Speaking at the inauguration ceremony of the e-passport facility on Wednesday, PM Khan said the government would not bow before ‘foreign dictation’. “This is a foreign imported crisis. This is a conspiracy from abroad. The people who used to control ******tan and get their demands accepted, just on phone call, against Pakistan’s national interests cannot tolerate or not in a habit of having a government in Pakistan making decisions in the country’s interests,” he added.

“People [may] think this is a drama going on. This is not a drama. As we just wanted to protect our national interests that is why we cannot disclose the people threatening us,” he added.

The PM said some people were unintentionally becoming part of the conspiracy. “I will also invite a representative from allied parties and share (letter) with them. I will tell them this document is real. This is a conspiracy even bigger than what I am saying. This is clear in the document,” he asserted.

He claimed that his government’s independent foreign policy was meant to keep the country’s interests supreme. The government allies were also independent to make their own decision, but while doing so, they should keep in mind whether they were becoming part of an international conspiracy against Pakistan, he added.

Calling the no-confidence motion a genuine political method, the prime minister said political crises were usual for parliamentary democracies.

Published in Dawn, March 31st, 2022
 
The prime minister then discussed the 'threat letter' that purportedly shows "evidence" of a foreign conspiracy to oust his government. In what appeared a slip of tongue, he named the United States as the country behind the threat.

"I am here today because on March 8 or 7, the United States ... not the US ... we got a message. For a free country, a message like this is [not only] against its prime minister but is also against the country [itself]."


DAWN
 
The National Security Committee (NSC) on Thursday said that the communication of a senior official of a foreign country to Pakistan’s Ambassador "amounted to blatant interference in the internal affairs of the country by the country in question, which was unacceptable under any circumstances".

This was stated in an official press release issued shortly after Prime Minister Imran Khan chaired the 37th meeting of the NSC today at the PM's House.

The meeting was summoned in light of an alleged threat letter by a foreign government that had warned Pakistan of consequences if the no-confidence motion against PM Imran failed.

National Security Adviser Moeed Yusuf briefed the committee on the formal communication of a senior official of a foreign country to Pakistan’s Ambassador in the said country in a formal meeting, which was duly conveyed by the Ambassador to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

The statement said that the NSC expressed grave concern at the communication, terming the language used by the foreign official as undiplomatic.

The committee concluded that the communication amounted to blatant interference in the internal affairs of Pakistan by the country in question, which was unacceptable under any circumstances.

The statement said that it decided that Pakistan will issue a strong demarche to the country in question both in Islamabad and in the country’s capital through proper channel in keeping with diplomatic norms.

Participants also endorsed the cabinet’s decision in the special cabinet meeting held on March 30, 2022 under the prime minister’s chairmanship to take parliament into confidence through an in-camera briefing of the NSC of parliament.

The meeting was attended by federal ministers of Defence, Energy, Information & Broadcasting, Interior, Finance, Human Rights, Planning, Development and Special Initiatives, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee, Services Chiefs, National Security Adviser and senior officers.

Express Tribune
 
The ‘threat’ letter is a joke - there is no proof this happened except an internal letter by an ambassador who was already on his way out. Besides, US cares two hoots about Pak pm meeting Russia - not when India, China & the Europe are still buying oil from Russia & the US cant do anything about it. IK & his stooges are just spinning the story for face saving - when the whole world & its grandma knows it is the Pakistani army pulling the plug on him is causing the whole drama.
 
The ‘threat’ letter is a joke - there is no proof this happened except an internal letter by an ambassador who was already on his way out. Besides, US cares two hoots about Pak pm meeting Russia - not when India, China & the Europe are still buying oil from Russia & the US cant do anything about it. IK & his stooges are just spinning the story for face saving - when the whole world & its grandma knows it is the Pakistani army pulling the plug on him is causing the whole drama.

Don't you worry.

Most probably Shareefs and their thieves will be ruling Pak in 48 hours.

Enjoy them :)
 
Seems like US officials have been quite active in meeting the opposition.

https://youtu.be/pqHb4LSmepg

@mods not sure how to embed video,

US officals always become active when there is elections or gov. going down, but we must ask then, when mush was being disposed off in 2008, why was IK active in the same field meeting american officals and aligning himself with the opposition of ppp and pmln.
 
U.S. Chargé d’affaires to Pakistan , summoned to the Foreign Office

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">قومی سلامتی کونسل کی ہدایت پر پاکستانی دفتر خارجہ کا امریکی ناظم الامور کو طلب کر کے پاکستان کی اندرونی سیاست میں مداخلت پر احتجاجی مراسلہ۔۔۔</p>— Major Adil Raja (R) (@soldierspeaks) <a href="https://twitter.com/soldierspeaks/status/1509613053134147584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 31, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">U.S. Chargé d’affaires to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a>, Angela P. Aggeler summoned to the Foreign Office in Islamabad to hand over a strong demarche against regime change attempts and meddling in Pakistani internal affairs, following instructions by the National security committee.</p>— AEROSINT Division PSF (@PSFAERO) <a href="https://twitter.com/PSFAERO/status/1509601525773049866?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 31, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a>’s <a href="https://twitter.com/ForeignOfficePk?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ForeignOfficePk</a> summons senior Most US diplomat, Charge De’Affairs to hand over a strong demarche against unwarranted remarks on internal affairs, following instructions by the National security committee, sources say.</p>— Anas Mallick (@AnasMallick) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnasMallick/status/1509600194526334976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 31, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Wow. They must have some big guarantees from China and Russia. Otherwise this is a big deal taking panga with US super power.

Not sureif someone knows how much aid we get from them still, how much trade we have with them and NATO countries.

They cam easily mess things up through FATF or other sanctions.
 
Wow. They must have some big guarantees from China and Russia. Otherwise this is a big deal taking panga with US super power.

Not sureif someone knows how much aid we get from them still, how much trade we have with them and NATO countries.

They cam easily mess things up through FATF or other sanctions.

After what they did to russians

The usa and eu are not reliable trading partners

Pakistans main exports are textiles and sporting goods the country can't be held to ransom by a bunch of sialkoti industrialists most whom are patwaris anyway the country comes first not cheap hockey sticks going to sports direct or cotton underwear going to primark.

Country needs an alternative path.

If we follow the usa path we are doomed anyway due to rising energy prices and spot fixed prices for gas we can only get favourable priced gas and oil from central Asia iran and Russia, but the west won't allow that .

We will be a continuous cycle of imf slavery and energy crisis
 
There is precisely zero chance a foreign government sends a letter about a no confidence motion to the army.

If I had to guess, this letter would be a diplomatic cable authored by a Pakistani official based on their understanding of the host government's policy and wishes.

Letter like these are very frank and don't involve usual diplomatic niceties because they are meant to be secret . Wikileaks had leaked a lot of US diplomatic cables which proved embarrassing for the US.
 
There is precisely zero chance a foreign government sends a letter about a no confidence motion to the army.

If I had to guess, this letter would be a diplomatic cable authored by a Pakistani official based on their understanding of the host government's policy and wishes.

Letter like these are very frank and don't involve usual diplomatic niceties because they are meant to be secret . Wikileaks had leaked a lot of US diplomatic cables which proved embarrassing for the US.

Let's agree for a moment that letter is real.

Since IK is man of principles. He needs to kick out American ambassador and bring back his ambassador from USA.

does he has guts to do these things??
 
This is a big diplomatic damage that PTI government did to save themselves. A report by their own Ambassador based on offline conversations with 3rd grade officials in US foreign office has been projected as direct intervention by US for regime change in Pakistan. Imran should have stopped at saying foreign forces don't like him and want him to be out rather than creating a over the board narrative based on a cable sent by his own Ambassador . It's always possible that he will be in office again and these kind of false narratives by him and his people in media will actually create hindrances for his foreign policy at that time. He should thought this through long term, because end of the day it damages Pakistan's relations with US which is big source of remittances and trade for his country.
 
This is a big diplomatic damage that PTI government did to save themselves. A report by their own Ambassador based on offline conversations with 3rd grade officials in US foreign office has been projected as direct intervention by US for regime change in Pakistan. Imran should have stopped at saying foreign forces don't like him and want him to be out rather than creating a over the board narrative based on a cable sent by his own Ambassador . It's always possible that he will be in office again and these kind of false narratives by him and his people in media will actually create hindrances for his foreign policy at that time. He should thought this through long term, because end of the day it damages Pakistan's relations with US which is big source of remittances and trade for his country.

He has bigger issues to worry about now.

Can't directly blame army can he?

He went as far as calling them corrupt and praised *gasp* Indian army.

But harder to gain sympathy from people using that angle.

But western power wanting to remove Immy?

That will connect with the masses.
 
In any other civilised nation, the chief justice of that country acting in the best interests of the country, would have, based on strong suspicion (or until the investigation had been completed) of foreign funded no-confidence motion (not to mention the shameless horse trading that happened....and that every child in the country knows by now!) declared it null and void and asked the PM to call new elections but this is Pakistan! What moral lesson are we giving to esp. children of our country? That it is ok for law-makers to sell their loyalties / souls for money and change an elected government this way? Is this how democracy functions in civilised nations
 
US Charge d'Affaires had been secretly meeting with opposition leaders including Maryam, Shehbaz, Hamza, Fazlur Rehman and Pervez Elahi etc. during the past few weeks/months... she even met Lahore High court judges (do judges have a public role in the first place?). This was clear interference in the internal affairs of another country.
 
US Charge d'Affaires had been secretly meeting with opposition leaders including Maryam, Shehbaz, Hamza, Fazlur Rehman and Pervez Elahi etc. during the past few weeks/months... she even met Lahore High court judges (do judges have a public role in the first place?). This was clear interference in the internal affairs of another country.

And ISI and Army didn’t know about it is your claim? Or didn’t meet Us Charged’Affaires
 
He has bigger issues to worry about now.

Can't directly blame army can he?

He went as far as calling them corrupt and praised *gasp* Indian army.

But harder to gain sympathy from people using that angle.

But western power wanting to remove Immy?

That will connect with the masses.

That's the point right. He could have continued to weave conspiracy theories as regular politicians do but he was not required to waive a piece of paper claiming it is a letter from foreign government threatening him out which is actually a point blank lie. First of all foreign states don't send these messages as letters , second even if diplomatic cables are sent which are classified by nature ( as later directed by Pakistani judiciary), no government that too a prime minster will take a print out of it and keep it in his pocket and then even waive it in public conference. In all probability it is a junk document used as an artifact to mesmerize gullible public.

While this was all very dramatic it was still manageable this far. He then comes into a live session on TV and directly name calls US government alleging that they are behind the political turbulence to oust him. This is not sorrow foreign policy but suicidal actually. He is not only putting Pakistan in a difficult state, he has now actually put his biggest support base , the US Pakistani community in a rather tight spot. This is the group that supports him not just in twitter but actually his biggest source of funds and geopolitical support for him in global arena. This is actually terrible from every dimension for the sake of personal survival.
 
That's the point right. He could have continued to weave conspiracy theories as regular politicians do but he was not required to waive a piece of paper claiming it is a letter from foreign government threatening him out which is actually a point blank lie. First of all foreign states don't send these messages as letters , second even if diplomatic cables are sent which are classified by nature ( as later directed by Pakistani judiciary), no government that too a prime minster will take a print out of it and keep it in his pocket and then even waive it in public conference. In all probability it is a junk document used as an artifact to mesmerize gullible public.

While this was all very dramatic it was still manageable this far. He then comes into a live session on TV and directly name calls US government alleging that they are behind the political turbulence to oust him. This is not sorrow foreign policy but suicidal actually. He is not only putting Pakistan in a difficult state, he has now actually put his biggest support base , the US Pakistani community in a rather tight spot. This is the group that supports him not just in twitter but actually his biggest source of funds and geopolitical support for him in global arena. This is actually terrible from every dimension for the sake of personal survival.

Hmm you conveniently leave out the content of the cable received which has been authenticated and deemed as an interference in Pakistani internal affairs.

I wonder what your thoughts would be if such a cable came from the west about Modi?
 
Wait. It is just minutes from a meeting between diplomats of two countries?

Lol.
 
Hmm you conveniently leave out the content of the cable received which has been authenticated and deemed as an interference in Pakistani internal affairs.

I wonder what your thoughts would be if such a cable came from the west about Modi?

Such a cable wont come, because we don't have a history of elected regimes being overthrown. Indian government and Indian public hates any interference in its internal matters and the west knows that.

The day pakistan stops being a stooge of any country, west, Arabs or chinese, such cables will stop coming.
 
Hmm you conveniently leave out the content of the cable received which has been authenticated and deemed as an interference in Pakistani internal affairs.

I wonder what your thoughts would be if such a cable came from the west about Modi?

The content is narrated by Pakistani Ambassador to his government based on informal/unofficial exchange of thoughts with foreign officers which is a very common thing in diplomatic circles. You can't translate it as an official version or a conspiracy to directly intervene to facilitate regime change that too on TV. I am pretty sure such exchanges have happened with Pakistani Ambassador and local officials in past as well.

Truth be told. Imran is not able to think this through and his associates are not intelligent and courageous enough to stop him. This is his team by his own choosing and I don't think his team is adept enough to help him and provide right guidance regardless of the the spin that his supporters in social media want to portray.

To the other question. Modi will be an equally laughing stock if he does something similar regardless of what his ******* think or shout in social media.
 
The content is narrated by Pakistani Ambassador to his government based on informal/unofficial exchange of thoughts with foreign officers which is a very common thing in diplomatic circles. You can't translate it as an official version or a conspiracy to directly intervene to facilitate regime change that too on TV. I am pretty sure such exchanges have happened with Pakistani Ambassador and local officials in past as well.

Truth be told. Imran is not able to think this through and his associates are not intelligent and courageous enough to stop him. This is his team by his own choosing and I don't think his team is adept enough to help him and provide right guidance regardless of the the spin that his supporters in social media want to portray.

To the other question. Modi will be an equally laughing stock if he does something similar regardless of what his ******* think or shout in social media.

It is not an unofficial exchange of thoughts, it was a formal recorded meeting with words coming from highest level of authority and that part is now authenticated so no point debating that and in regards to the second part, if that is truly the case than why was a big deal made of Trudeau making a comment on protests in India? There was not even an actual threat in that and yet a mountain was created.
 
Such a cable wont come, because we don't have a history of elected regimes being overthrown. Indian government and Indian public hates any interference in its internal matters and the west knows that.

The day pakistan stops being a stooge of any country, west, Arabs or chinese, such cables will stop coming.

Exactly, and that is why I have no issues IK bringing this to light for the public to see
 
Prime Minister Imran Khan, in his belligerent address to the nation on Thursday, vowed to foil “an international conspiracy” hatched against his government by opposition leaders and their alleged handlers but, in an apparent slip of the tongue, revealed the name of the United States as the country behind a “threat letter”.

The prime minister during his nearly an hour-long live address to the nation hours after presiding over the National Security Committee meeting, declared that he would not resign and face the no-confidence motion of the opposition in the National Assembly, which will be voting on it on Sunday.

“Sunday will be a defining day in the country’s political history,” said Mr Khan, asking the nation to identify those “traitors” who would be voting against him.


On that day, he said, the people’s representatives would decide to which side they would go — “independent foreign policy or slavery of the superpowers”.

The premier warned the dissidents from his Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) party against casting their votes in favour of the opposition’s no-confidence resolution bec*ause the nation would “neither forgive nor forget you and the people behind you for becoming a part of the international conspiracy”.

He used the term “handlers” for those behind the opposition’s move to end his government through the vote of no confidence.

Mr Khan claimed that he was being deprived of the power because of his Russian visit, which he claimed he had undertaken after consulting all stakeholders, including the military and the Foreign Office.

He even reiterated his earlier threat that after leaving office he would not sit silently and would become even stronger.

Earlier, the prime minister was scheduled to address the nation on Wednesday, but the plan was shelved after his meeting with Chief of the Army Staff General Qamar Javed Bajwa.

Staying firm on his decision of not giving resignation despite virtually losing the majority in the National Assembly, the prime minister said that he would “fight till the last ball”.

As he started delivering the speech, the prime minister told the nation, in an unusual way, that he was speaking to them live and that his address had not been a recorded one, “as the country is passing through a defining moment and I want to share my inner feelings with you”.

In most part of his speech, the prime minister tried to build his case that he did not take US dictation, whereas opposition leaders were “stooges” of the United States.

The initial part of his speech was full of usual rhetoric, in which Mr Khan talked about his political struggle after a successful career as a cricketer and his ambition to introduce a Madina state model in Pakistan, and claimed that he had been victimised for pursuing an independent foreign policy.

“On March 8 or before it on March 7, America ... not America ... but from abroad, we received a message from a country,” he said, and apparently immediately regretted naming the United States as the country behind the alleged letter.

However, he went on to say: “For a free country, a message like this is [not only] against its prime minister but is also against the country [itself].” He was referring to a “threat letter” that he waved in front of thousands of PTI supporters during a March 27 jalsa in Islamabad, terming it evidence of an “international conspiracy” against his government.

He said it was a “big mistake” to become an ally of the US in the ‘war on terror’, as Pakistan was the country which had suffered more than any other country in the world.

“Since I joined politics, I have always said that neither I will bow down before anyone and nor will I let my nation bow down,” he said. “It means I will not let my nation be a slave to anyone. I have never backed down from this stance. When I came to the power, I decided that our foreign policy will be independent, which means it will be for Pakistanis. It doesn’t mean that we wanted enmity. When I got the government, I said that we will not have any foreign policy that is not in our favour.”

He said the letter clearly indicated that the country behind the letter knew beforehand that a no-trust move was coming.

“The no-trust motion had not even been submitted [at the time]. It means that [the opposition] was connected with these people abroad, they say they are angry with Pakistan ... they make this excuse. They say they will forgive Pakistan if Imran Khan loses in the no-trust move, but if the move fails, Pakistan will have to go through a difficult time,” he added.

“Is this our status? We are a nation of 220 million and another country is issuing threats without giving a reason. They said that Imran Khan decided to go to Russia on his own even though the Foreign Office and the military leadership were consulted.”

“Our ambassador told them that the decision [to visit Russia was made after consultations] but they are denying it and saying that ‘it was only because of Imran Khan and that our ties cannot be good if he stays’. What they are actually saying is that they have no issue with the people who will replace Imran Khan,” he added.

He said foreign forces have developed links with opposition leaders — Shehbaz Sharif, Fazlur Rehman and Asif Ali Zardari — as they know where opposition leaders’ money and properties were.

“During their (opposition leaders) regimes in 10 years, 400 drone attacks were conducted and they did not condemn it once,” he added.

The prime minister said he had said “absolutely not” to the United States in response to its reported demands of having military bases in Pakistan, whereas no opposition leader has such courage to say it bluntly to a superpower.

‘PM a security threat’

Meanwhile, commenting on the prime minister’s address, the opposition parties declared Imran Khan a “security threat” for the country.

In a statement, Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) president Shehbaz Sharif said that Imran Khan had brought Pakistan into the crosshairs in a desperate attempt to hang on to power.

He stressed that in his desperation and frustration, Mr Khan was damaging diplomatic relations of Pakistan, which was why it was imperative that he should be banned from delivering these catastrophic speeches.

“Not showing the letter means there is no letter. Imran Niazi is once again telling a new lie as he usually does,” Mr Sharif said. “After Imran’s false narrative of corruption, lies about building a mirror image of Riyasat-i-Madina, this conspiracy letter was the latest false narrative to save his sinking ship.”

Speaking at a news conference, PML-N’s Khawaja Asif blasted Imran Khan for naming the United States in his speech.

“There is no doubt that the US can create problems for us,” he said, adding that the country could cause a financial crisis for Pakistan and could even make it difficult for it to buy oil. He said Imran Khan had become “dangerous” for the country’s existence and economy.

PPP chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari told a TV channel that he did not watch “the former prime minister’s speech.” He alleged that Imran had made the country a slave of the International Monetary Fund, harmed the Kashmir policy and sabotaged the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.

Published in Dawn, April 1st, 2022
 
It is not an unofficial exchange of thoughts, it was a formal recorded meeting with words coming from highest level of authority and that part is now authenticated so no point debating that and in regards to the second part, if that is truly the case than why was a big deal made of Trudeau making a comment on protests in India? There was not even an actual threat in that and yet a mountain was created.

Do you think that letter is a direct message from US state government to Pakistani Government that Imran needs to be removed or they may intervene for a regime change? This is what Imran conveyed by name calling US in public. Do you think it really helps in US Pak relations? Do you think it's a matured step from the premiere himself in the long run?

Common logic does not really tally with what Imran has conveyed so far.

Trudeau was trying to cater to his domestic constituency to score some brownie points and it is indeed a diplomatic gaffe on his behalf. Karma has final laugh though when he behaved exactly opposite to what he preached to Indian Government when there was a similar blockade at his doorstep few weeks back.
 
Do you think that letter is a direct message from US state government to Pakistani Government that Imran needs to be removed or they may intervene for a regime change? This is what Imran conveyed by name calling US in public. Do you think it really helps in US Pak relations? Do you think it's a matured step from the premiere himself in the long run?

Common logic does not really tally with what Imran has conveyed so far.

Trudeau was trying to cater to his domestic constituency to score some brownie points and it is indeed a diplomatic gaffe on his behalf. Karma has final laugh though when he behaved exactly opposite to what he preached to Indian Government when there was a similar blockade at his doorstep few weeks back.

Given the number of regime changes that US has had their hand in the past, your post does not make sense.
 
:snack: Politics is fun. Especially when its not happening to you.

Finally some good drama. Been more than a year since the US election drama and the Jan 6 events.

So what's next?
 
Was threatened with 'dire consequences' before Russia visit: PM Imran

A day after Prime Minister Imran Khan said he is paying the price for pursuing an independent foreign policy, he revealed that he was threatened with “dire consequences” by a foreign power for visiting Russia on an official visit in late February.

“How can a country can interfere in the affairs of an independent state,” Imran asked as he delivered an address at the Islamabad Security Dialogue.

“But [we cannot] not blame them, as it is our fault because we gave them this impression,” he added.

The premier stated it was being said that Pakistan could not upset the US, but India due to its independent foreign policy was buying oil from Russia. “The US says it cannot say anything to India due to its independent foreign policy,” Imran said, adding that despite being a US ally, India was fostering ties with Russia.

He said as per the US, India was a sovereign state, so “what are we then”. According to Imran, the absence of an independent foreign policy meant people’s interests could not be protected.

Read No-trust voting on April 3

Terming an independent foreign policy crucial for the country, the premier said the reason why Pakistan could not reach its peak potential was due to the country's ‘dependency syndrome’.

“A country without an independent foreign policy remains unable to secure the interests of its people,” he added.

The premier further said that taking independent decisions while giving high priority to the interests of the nation was extremely important, rather than submitting to the will of other states in exchange for foreign aid.

Criticising the decisions of the previous governments to join foreign wars and the global war on terror, the prime minister said a nation could not progress if it remained dependent on foreign aid.

“These decisions, that incurred major damage to Pakistan, were made for the sake of dollars,” he said.

He pointed out that such detrimental policies resulted in the rise of sectarian militancy that disrupted the environment of investment and promoted illicit drugs and black money in the country.

The prime minister also regretted that no independent evaluation was made afterward to assess the damage suffered by the Pakistani society, and said “the elite filled up their bank accounts at the cost of the nation”.

Imran said his government, during the past four years, pursued an independent foreign policy that helped the country gain respect in the global arena.

He further maintained that national security was a multidimensional phenomenon and could be ensured when the state and nation were united with a single vision and ideology.

The premier said his government firmly believed that there was a symbiotic relationship between economic, human, and traditional security which was imperative for Pakistan’s long-term development.

He added that domestic stability and regional peace based on mutual co-existence, regional connectivity, and shared prosperity were essential prerequisites to optimising national security.

'Foreign conspiracy'

A day earlier, PM Imran had said that he was paying the price in the shape of a “foreign conspiracy hatched by the United States” to topple the incumbent government through the opposition’s no-confidence motion for pursuing an “independent foreign policy”.

"On Sunday, there is voting [on a no-confidence motion]. The country's fate is about to be decided on Sunday… The nation will decide where they want the country led to," the prime minister had said in his address to the nation broadcast live on Thursday evening.

Premier Imran had said the people would always remember those who would be committing any treachery on Sunday as they would not buy their argument so easily.

PM Imran had addressed the nation hours after he chaired the meeting of the National Security Committee, which had termed the formal communication of a foreign country's official "blatant interference" in Pakistan's internal affairs and also decided to issue a demarche to that country.

Read more Imran directs MNAs to stay away from no-trust session

He had told the nation that on March 7, the government received a message from that country through Pakistan's ambassador there, which said that they would pardon Pakistan's all misgivings if Imran Khan was ousted. If happened otherwise, Pakistan would have to face difficulties.

"This (message) is against the nation," he had said, adding that the message coming before the vote of confidence showed that the political opponents were in contact with that country.

"Is this our worth? … We are creeping like snails," he had remarked.

The prime minister had said the conspiracy was being hatched through three stooges in Pakistan. They wanted to oust Imran Khan and it would also be fine for that country, he added.

He had said Opposition Leader in the National Assembly Shehbaz Sharif had opposed his "absolutely not" stance to join the US-led war anymore.

"Our public representatives are on sale. This is the trade of loyalties. This is the trade of country and its sovereignty. What lesson are we giving to our youth? No one will ever call them ideological. Everyone knows them," the prime minister had remarked.

No-confidence motion

The allegations leveled against the opposition by the prime minister came amid a no-confidence motion submitted against him.

As a result of intense political negotiations, the opposition also managed to convince two government allies, MQM-P and BAP, to switch sides. As a result, the prime minister has lost the majority in the lower house.

On Thursday, the PTI-led government "literally ran away from conducting voting on the no-confidence motion" submitted against PM Imran as the National Assembly session was once again put off till April 3.

Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri had adjourned the proceedings after seeing the strength of the opposition parties’ lawmakers, who repeatedly asked him to hold voting on the motion instead of proceeding ahead with Q&A session.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/235060...ire-consequences-before-russia-visit-pm-imran
 
Then you should also have a problem with Imran saying that pakistan's future is linked to China.

That is not a false statement by IK given the trade relations Pak and China are trying to establish. This does not mean that Pak is China’s stooge.

Many countries are tied to other countries for their economic future and politicians openly declare it. Canada-US is one example.
 
That is not a false statement by IK given the trade relations Pak and China are trying to establish. This does not mean that Pak is China’s stooge.

Many countries are tied to other countries for their economic future and politicians openly declare it. Canada-US is one example.

Lets be honest here, Pakistan has become a Chinese stooge.

The reason Imran doesn't like the west is because,

1. He is not a priority for US. Despite openly hinting, Biden didnt call him.

2.UK refused to give Imran the same deal it gave India, Imran cancelled the UK visit.

3. I don't even need to talk about Macron and France.

Hence his open hostility towards the west.
But in the past the elite of pakistan, Army Politicians, Businessman all had their families studying or living in the west. They understand that Imran's open hostility will be counterproductive. Hence they want to balance it.
 
Do you think that letter is a direct message from US state government to Pakistani Government that Imran needs to be removed or they may intervene for a regime change? This is what Imran conveyed by name calling US in public. Do you think it really helps in US Pak relations? Do you think it's a matured step from the premiere himself in the long run?

Common logic does not really tally with what Imran has conveyed so far.

Trudeau was trying to cater to his domestic constituency to score some brownie points and it is indeed a diplomatic gaffe on his behalf. Karma has final laugh though when he behaved exactly opposite to what he preached to Indian Government when there was a similar blockade at his doorstep few weeks back.

The content of the letter has been verified so I don’t know what is the point in arguing that? Regime change has been threatened in the letter and whether US actively engaged in it is irrelevant. It’s hypocritical that when Trudeau or Trump (leak of Kashmir talks with Modi) comments about India, you guys applaud retaliation but when it comes to Pakistan you want us to chicken out and think about the ‘relations’.
 
Lets be honest here, Pakistan has become a Chinese stooge.

The reason Imran doesn't like the west is because,

1. He is not a priority for US. Despite openly hinting, Biden didnt call him.

2.UK refused to give Imran the same deal it gave India, Imran cancelled the UK visit.

3. I don't even need to talk about Macron and France.

Hence his open hostility towards the west.
But in the past the elite of pakistan, Army Politicians, Businessman all had their families studying or living in the west. They understand that Imran's open hostility will be counterproductive. Hence they want to balance it.

You are free to think whatever you want but just because two countries have strong relations doesn’t make one the other’s stooge. By that logic, is India a Russian stooge for abstaining in the UN and abandoning their foreign residents in Ukraine?
 
The White House on Friday categorically rejected allegations by Prime Minister Imran Khan that the United States is involved in a 'conspiracy' to oust him from power with an official saying there is "absolutely no truth" to the claim.

During a press briefing, White House Director of Communications Kate Bedingfield was asked about Washington's response to the premier’s accusation of “the US working with the opposition to remove him from power”.

“There is absolutely no truth to that allegation,” she responded.

The threatening letter

Yesterday, PM Imran said he was paying the price in the shape of a “foreign conspiracy hatched by the United States” to topple the incumbent government through the opposition’s no-confidence motion for pursuing an “independent foreign policy”.

In an address to the nation, he stated that on March 7 the government received a message from a foreign country through Pakistan's ambassador there, which said that they would pardon Pakistan's all misgivings if Imran Khan was ousted. If happened otherwise, Pakistan would have to face difficulties.

"This (message) is against the nation," he said, adding that the message coming before the vote of confidence showed that the political opponents were in contact with that country."

He added that the opposition leaders, who were now beloved by the said foreign country, never condemned 400 drone attacks by the United States during their tenures killing innocent people.

Pakistan late on Thursday night lodged a formal protest with the US over a threatening letter that warned of dire consequences if the opposition’s no-confidence motion against PM Imran failed.

The acting US envoy in Islamabad was summoned to the Foreign Ministry over the "threatening" letter, hours after the country’s top decision-making body on national security voiced concerns over the issue during a meeting chaired by the premier.

Express Tribune
 
It's not some super secret that US has been playing it's dirty game in Pakistan in the past few months. What purpose the American Charge D'Affairs in Pakistan has with meeting convicted Maryam Nawaz and on-trial Shahbaz Sharif? Can Pakistani ambassador meet convicted criminals in the US?

These are the pictures that came out in public what about the secret meetings?

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It's not some super secret that US has been playing it's dirty game in Pakistan in the past few months. What purpose the American Charge D'Affairs in Pakistan has with meeting convicted Maryam Nawaz and on-trial Shahbaz Sharif? Can Pakistani ambassador meet convicted criminals in the US?

These are the pictures that came out in public what about the secret meetings?

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No shock there.

The Sharifs and current generation of Bhuttos - their sole purpose of existence is to save their riches. They will stoop to do anything for that purpose.
 
Dismissing Prime Minister Imran Khan's allegations that opposition was involved in a "foreign-funded conspiracy" to topple his government, Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari on Friday urged the premier to leave his office ‘respectfully’ and not look for any "face-saving".

"The decision [to table no-confidence motion] was taken long before Imran Khan's visit to Russia. We took many decisions during our CEC meeting in January," he said while addressing a news conference in Islamabad.

Bilawal said that the opposition had been struggling to oust the PTI-led government for the past three years. "Did we know that the prime minister was going to visit Russia? Did we know that Russia was going to attack Ukraine? Mr prime minister, at least tell people lies which sound like truth," he remarked.

The PPP chief said that if the prime minister is refusing to see the facts, it doesn't mean that he is not going to lose. "If a common man had said something like what the prime minister is saying it would have been fine but when it comes from the mouth of a country's leader, it damages the country," he said and added that a routine diplomatic process has been made controversial.

Bilawal said that Imran Khan used to say that by tabling no-confidence motion, the opposition has given him a gift but now declares it a global conspiracy against his government. "Please, first decide whether it is a gift from us or it is a foreign conspiracy," he mocked the premier.

For the first time in the history of Pakistan, he said, a peaceful no-confidence vote is taking place as at many times in the past, unconstitutional means were used for such purpose. "We have taken a constitutional route... it should not be made controversial."

Also read: No-confidence vote on Sunday, which will decide our nation's destiny: PM

Bilawal said the prime minister should fight against the constitutional process honourably and should not seek a "face saving or a backdoor exit". "You (Imran Khan) were imposed upon this nation… it is about time you should think about your acts. Our steps would strengthen the democracy in this country," he added.

"We (opposition) have decided to bring electoral reforms [after the PTI government is removed] and then move forward with new elections in the country... we want the new government to have a mandate from the people and solve problems of the people."

Bilawal hoped that there would not be any "unconstitutional" step taken before the Sunday's no-confidence vote against the premier.

Answering a question, the PPP leader said that Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi at least came to Pakistan but when Imran Khan was in the opposition, he himself went to India to meet Modi

"Even recently, Imran Khan lauded Modi's foreign policy despite his attack on IIOJK's status," he added.

Bilawal said that Imran Khan's foreign policy is confusing as when he came to power, he asked his minister to do propaganda against CPEC which annoyed China.

He said that PM Imran did whatever was in his powers to have better relations with the US. "He even became a mini Trump. He shakes hand with Trump and comes back to Pakistan as if he had won another [cricket] World Cup.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/235062...nspiracy-theory-asks-pm-to-leave-respectfully
 
My respect for Imran Khan has grown even more.

He has called out the traitors. From now on until they end up in the grave they will be known as such.

Next Election the people will come out in force and vote out all of these corrupt traitors.

America is a dying empire, the dollar is on the way to collapse in a few years. Pakistan has done the right thing but getting closer to Russia and China.
 
The ‘threat’ letter is a joke - there is no proof this happened except an internal letter by an ambassador who was already on his way out. Besides, US cares two hoots about Pak pm meeting Russia - not when India, China & the Europe are still buying oil from Russia & the US cant do anything about it. IK & his stooges are just spinning the story for face saving - when the whole world & its grandma knows it is the Pakistani army pulling the plug on him is causing the whole drama.

You must be not seeing clearly.

It was an offical cable which has been accepted by even the court.

But do you really need a letter to know Pak has these traitors who will sell their soul for $.
 
You must be not seeing clearly.

It was an offical cable which has been accepted by even the court.

But do you really need a letter to know Pak has these traitors who will sell their soul for $.

Official cable by pakistan diplomat to its government. It was not sent by USA to pak. Government can potentially ask it's own diplomat to write in a way suitable to its purpose. The said diplomat has already been rewarded with a posting to Brussels.
 
If you wish to add videos here - add your analysis to it as well it as well.

Also make sure that the videos are relevant to the topic of this thread.
 
ISLAMABAD: Soon after assuming the additional charge of the Law Minister, Fawad Chaudhry on Saturday ordered to form a commission to probe the "foreign conspiracy" behind the no-confidence motion against Prime Minister Imran Khan.

Fawad Chaudhry was given the additional charge of the law ministry after the resignation of barrister Farogh Naseem who had stepped down from the post after the MQM-P decided to part ways with the ruling PTI.

According to a statement issued by the law ministry, the commission will analyse the no-confidence motion from various angles and probe factors such as the change in the government through an international conspiracy.

Meanwhile, Chaudhry ordered a major reshuffle in the law ministry in Islamabad, Karachi and Lahore and directed the officials to perform their responsibilities efficiently.

Meanwhile, well-placed sources have said that the federal government is making efforts to get the bails of PML-N President Shahbaz Sharif and his son Hamza Shahbaz cancelled.

The sources said that the law ministry has issued notice to the Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) in this regard.

A day earlier, Fawad had said that the PML-N president has become a "self-appointed prime minister while sitting at home."

Fawad had vowed that the "dream of the Opposition to oust the premier will be shattered" on Sunday when the members of the Parliament will gather in the house to vote for the no-confidence motion against the prime minister.

He had also said that Shahbaz's son [Hamza Shahbaz] is eyeing the seat of chief minister in Punjab.

GEO
 
You must be not seeing clearly.

It was an offical cable which has been accepted by even the court.

But do you really need a letter to know Pak has these traitors who will sell their soul for $.

Its not an official cable - it was an internal cable from an ambassador to the govt which appointed him & can be entirely fabricated. There is no external corraboration this actually happened. No govt is foolish enough to openly threaten a PM of another country they are not in conflict with - US diplomats surely cant be that stupid. IK is spinning a tale for face saving while his own army chief is contradicting him saying they want good relations with US.
 
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So story is - Pakistani government writes a letter to themselves. You can put whatever you want there. It hardly means anything.

If true then entire thing is a joke.
 
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Whether their really was pressure to remove IK by a foreign government is irrelevant now. That's the story that will be believed by a great deal of the population, and IK will be perceived as having taken Siyasi Shahadat. This will definitely increase his popularity.
 
I am just speculating here.

As usual when Pakistani army has no use for a leader, he/she gets sidelined. New leader may serve army better and once new leader is no longer serving the army, new one will also be sidelined. I am not sure if any leader has been able to come to power without Pakistani army putting them in power. If and when Pakistan gets a leader without army backings, then this circle of army controlling the government will stop.

I don't know much about all leaders, but quick reading makes me feel bad about the situation where these family dynasties keep getting the top spot, but it's not unique to Pakistan. It happens in many countries.
 
This while regime change from US seems to be over the top for me. I don't think in the current scheme of things Pakistan is too important for US. Once US decided to abandon people of Afghanistan to the Taliban, they have neither a reason to cooperate with Pakistan nor act against it. The only thing that will change this situation is if Pakistan becomes a full-fledged Chinese ally politically. So Imran may mislead the public by calling it a western ploy but west is not going to gain much by having pakistan criticize Russia. Bajwa on the other hand is without a doubt try to show his loyalty to USA and while it may lead to some short term gains for him personally but in the long run no one respects a person like him, who goes against his country and he will be dumped by the west when the time comes.
 
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America is a dying empire, the dollar is on the way to collapse in a few years. Pakistan has done the right thing but getting closer to Russia and China.

Hasn't US been a dying empire since the day you first discovered internet message boards? It's all about web3 now.
 
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