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The letter that proves foreign interference to remove PM Imran Khan

Whether their really was pressure to remove IK by a foreign government is irrelevant now. That's the story that will be believed by a great deal of the population, and IK will be perceived as having taken Siyasi Shahadat. This will definitely increase his popularity.

If IK's entire strategy now is to project himself as a martyr who's been taken down by traitors supported by US, then isn't it one with diminishing returns?

Is IK more popular today than he was going into the 2018 elections? Has the awaam seen their lives improve materially under his stint - I'd think not seeing the inflation figures and the anemic growth.

On the other hand, if the opposition - with a little help from west - manages to control inflation and PKR etc - then they'll go into the election with a much stronger hand, surely?
 
Whether their really was pressure to remove IK by a foreign government is irrelevant now. That's the story that will be believed by a great deal of the population, and IK will be perceived as having taken Siyasi Shahadat. This will definitely increase his popularity.

But who would benefit from this popularity baring Khan himself. And assume he rides this popularity and win next elections and becomes PM, which is unlikely considering army won't let him, then would usa ever have good relations with Pakistan considering thier PM won it on the back of backlash against US? Pakistan will become a periphery state of China in that case, which would mean a new master and not real independence.
 
Hasn't US been a dying empire since the day you first discovered internet message boards? It's all about web3 now.

I remember bumping thread here from 2009 where that was discussed instead web2.0 took US to next level .
 
If IK's entire strategy now is to project himself as a martyr who's been taken down by traitors supported by US, then isn't it one with diminishing returns?

Is IK more popular today than he was going into the 2018 elections? Has the awaam seen their lives improve materially under his stint - I'd think not seeing the inflation figures and the anemic growth.

On the other hand, if the opposition - with a little help from west - manages to control inflation and PKR etc - then they'll go into the election with a much stronger hand, surely?

wishful thinking, the 'west' can't even control inflaton in their own countries never mind Pakistan, rampant inflation is a global phenomenon and wil get worse due to the insane central bank policies in North America & Western Europe
 
If IK's entire strategy now is to project himself as a martyr who's been taken down by traitors supported by US, then isn't it one with diminishing returns?

Is IK more popular today than he was going into the 2018 elections? Has the awaam seen their lives improve materially under his stint - I'd think not seeing the inflation figures and the anemic growth.

He was losing popularity because of inflation, which is why he has changed the narrative of the next election. Now it will be foreign policy and not the economy. Alot of people believe his claim that their was a foreign conspiracy to get rid of his govt. That he is being punished for saying "Absolutely Not". He can win this type of election. Especially if the opposition does not make any improvement to the economy when they take over.


On the other hand, if the opposition - with a little help from west - manages to control inflation and PKR etc - then they'll go into the election with a much stronger hand, surely?

If they could control inflation and stop the depreciation of PKR, then yes they would go into the elections with a stronger hand. But thats unlikely in my opinion. The economy is not getting better any time soon.


And they cant manipulate the rupee either, as this govt made the State Bank independent.
 
It will be interesting to see if any foreign dignitary from a country of importance will meet their Pakistani counterpart after this.
 
It will be interesting to see if any foreign dignitary from a country of importance will meet their Pakistani counterpart after this.

They definitely will. But it's possible that if Imran comes back to power , it will be upto him to take that initiative.
 
ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister (PM) Imran Khan survived the opposition’s attempt to oust him from power after a no-confidence motion against him was rejected by the National Assembly deputy speaker, who claimed it was a ‘foreign conspiracy’.

Addressing a meeting of the Pakistan Tehreek Insaf (PTI) leaders in Islamabad, the PM claimed that Donald Lu, the top American official dealing with South Asia in the US State Department, was involved in the ‘foreign conspiracy’ to topple his government.

Imran Khan claimed that Donald Lu warned the Pakistani envoy to the US, Asad Majeed, that there would be implications if the Pakistan PM survived the no-trust vote in the National Assembly.

PM Khan said that the no-confidence motion against him was a “foreign conspiracy” and he thanked Allah that it failed.

On Saturday, Prime Minister (PM) Imran Khan openly held the US responsible for the “foreign conspiracy” to overthrow his government.

“Ok I’m taking the name of US, the conspiracy has been hatched with the help of America to remove me,” PM Imran had said while addressing the participants of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) parliamentary party in Islamabad.

Earlier, National Assembly Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri termed the no-confidence motion against the premier “unconstitutional”, saying that it was backed by “foreign powers”.

https://arynews.tv/pm-imran-claims-us-diplomat-donald-lu-foreign-conspiracy/
 
ISLAMABAD: Amid controversy surrounding the much-talked-about “threat letter”, senior journalist and analyst Hamid Mir revealed that the letter flashed by the premier on March 27 at a PTI rally is not the one he received from a Pakistani diplomat.

Speaking on a Geo News Special Transmission for the no-confidence motion on Sunday, Mir said that it [the letter] was actually a diplomatic cable which was re-written by the people in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Quoting sources, he said the letter was not original as some material was added to it. The words added were not part of the diplomatic communication, the sources told him.

“There is an element of forgery in the letter,” Mir told participants of the TV programme, adding that he had already reported on Saturday that nothing came out of an investigation into the letter. Sources close to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, however, denied the letter had been tampered with.

However, it was earlier reported that sources have told Mir that the security establishment had conveyed to the premier that "no such evidence of the conspiracy has been found."

On March 27, in a public rally, PM Imran revealed that "foreign elements" are involved in the attempts to topple his government and said, "some of our own people" are being used in this regard.

The premier, while flashing a letter before the public, said that he has "written evidence" that "money has been pouring in from abroad," while "some of our people are being used to topple the government."

Read more: Letter carrying threat from foreign power was written by Pakistani envoy, says PM Imran Khan on memo

He said that for months, "plotting and planning is being carried out to influence the foreign policy of Pakistan from outside".

Mir said during Geo News programme Naya Pakistan that the PM keeps on addressing the media, the public and his party and even tried to sell the alleged letter to the security establishment.

However, sources told the journalists that the establishment, in return, conveyed to the government that no evidence of any foreign government sponsoring the no-confidence motion exists and asked the political leadership to "furnish the evidence if they have any."

The development came after the National Security Committee (NSC) decided to issue a strong demarche to the country whose official communicated the "threat" a day after premier Imran Khan shared the 'threat letter' with military leadership and the federal cabinet.

'Threat letter' controversy

The controversy arose after premier Imran, in his speech at a public rally on Sunday, claimed that there was a "foreign-funded plot" being hatched against his government. He showed a letter, but without divulging its contents, as evidence of the existence of the conspiracy aimed at toppling his government. Imran insisted that efforts were being made to seek his ouster since he pursued an "independent" foreign policy.

On March 30, the premier had shared the "threat letter" he talked of with cabinet members in an emergency meeting. The meeting was not attended by PTI's two major allies — MQM-P and Balochistan Awami Party (BAP).

Meanwhile, Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry also invited a group of journalists to meet PM Imran Khan where selected details of the letter were shared with them.

Read more: US government denies involvement in no-trust motion against PM

The premier had said that a Pakistani envoy posted in a foreign country wrote the memo that he flashed on March 27 at a PTI rally and termed it "threatening", sources told Geo News.

The premier, while interacting with journalists, said the envoy had sent the letter to Pakistan after he met an official of a foreign country, according to sources.

PM Imran Khan said the memo was shared with the military leadership and mentioned that the tone used in the cable was "threatening.”

The prime minister said the memo would be shared with parliamentarians during an in-camera session, but noted that the name of the country that "threatened" Pakistan could not be shared — as national security laws are applicable.

Meanwhile, Speaker of the National Assembly Asad Qaiser took to his Twitter handle and said that if the Parliamentary leaders from the government and Opposition sides agree, the issue of the “sensitive letter” can be discussed at an in-camera meeting of the Parliamentary Committee on National Security.

Minister for Planning, Development, and Special Initiatives Asad Umar, who attended the briefing, according to sources, told the journalists that the memo mentions that if the no-confidence motion passes, everything will be forgiven for Pakistan.

Umar further said that the letter mentions that "in case of its failure, the problems for Pakistan will increase."

https://www.geo.tv/latest/409427-elements-of-forgery-found-in-threat-letter-hamid-mir
 
ISLAMABAD: Amid controversy surrounding the much-talked-about “threat letter”, senior journalist and analyst Hamid Mir revealed that the letter flashed by the premier on March 27 at a PTI rally is not the one he received from a Pakistani diplomat.

Speaking on a Geo News Special Transmission for the no-confidence motion on Sunday, Mir said that it [the letter] was actually a diplomatic cable which was re-written by the people in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Quoting sources, he said the letter was not original as some material was added to it. The words added were not part of the diplomatic communication, the sources told him.

“There is an element of forgery in the letter,” Mir told participants of the TV programme, adding that he had already reported on Saturday that nothing came out of an investigation into the letter. Sources close to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, however, denied the letter had been tampered with.

However, it was earlier reported that sources have told Mir that the security establishment had conveyed to the premier that "no such evidence of the conspiracy has been found."

On March 27, in a public rally, PM Imran revealed that "foreign elements" are involved in the attempts to topple his government and said, "some of our own people" are being used in this regard.

The premier, while flashing a letter before the public, said that he has "written evidence" that "money has been pouring in from abroad," while "some of our people are being used to topple the government."

Read more: Letter carrying threat from foreign power was written by Pakistani envoy, says PM Imran Khan on memo

He said that for months, "plotting and planning is being carried out to influence the foreign policy of Pakistan from outside".

Mir said during Geo News programme Naya Pakistan that the PM keeps on addressing the media, the public and his party and even tried to sell the alleged letter to the security establishment.

However, sources told the journalists that the establishment, in return, conveyed to the government that no evidence of any foreign government sponsoring the no-confidence motion exists and asked the political leadership to "furnish the evidence if they have any."

The development came after the National Security Committee (NSC) decided to issue a strong demarche to the country whose official communicated the "threat" a day after premier Imran Khan shared the 'threat letter' with military leadership and the federal cabinet.

'Threat letter' controversy

The controversy arose after premier Imran, in his speech at a public rally on Sunday, claimed that there was a "foreign-funded plot" being hatched against his government. He showed a letter, but without divulging its contents, as evidence of the existence of the conspiracy aimed at toppling his government. Imran insisted that efforts were being made to seek his ouster since he pursued an "independent" foreign policy.

On March 30, the premier had shared the "threat letter" he talked of with cabinet members in an emergency meeting. The meeting was not attended by PTI's two major allies — MQM-P and Balochistan Awami Party (BAP).

Meanwhile, Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry also invited a group of journalists to meet PM Imran Khan where selected details of the letter were shared with them.

Read more: US government denies involvement in no-trust motion against PM

The premier had said that a Pakistani envoy posted in a foreign country wrote the memo that he flashed on March 27 at a PTI rally and termed it "threatening", sources told Geo News.

The premier, while interacting with journalists, said the envoy had sent the letter to Pakistan after he met an official of a foreign country, according to sources.

PM Imran Khan said the memo was shared with the military leadership and mentioned that the tone used in the cable was "threatening.”

The prime minister said the memo would be shared with parliamentarians during an in-camera session, but noted that the name of the country that "threatened" Pakistan could not be shared — as national security laws are applicable.

Meanwhile, Speaker of the National Assembly Asad Qaiser took to his Twitter handle and said that if the Parliamentary leaders from the government and Opposition sides agree, the issue of the “sensitive letter” can be discussed at an in-camera meeting of the Parliamentary Committee on National Security.

Minister for Planning, Development, and Special Initiatives Asad Umar, who attended the briefing, according to sources, told the journalists that the memo mentions that if the no-confidence motion passes, everything will be forgiven for Pakistan.

Umar further said that the letter mentions that "in case of its failure, the problems for Pakistan will increase."

https://www.geo.tv/latest/409427-elements-of-forgery-found-in-threat-letter-hamid-mir

Hamid Mir lol, keep on crying.
 
Finance Minister Shaukat Tarin meeting US Asst Secretary of State of Central and South Asian Affairs Donald Lu - Pakistan’s then ambassador to the US and the SBP governor are present in the meeting

Donald Lu was mentioned by Imran Khan as being the US official behind the threat


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DG ISPR confirming the ruling of National Security Committee

"Our stance is what was decided in NSC meeting" – DG ISPR

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What else would they confirm?

The fact is Imran has dragged the army unnecessarily into this and basically put words into their mouth. Nowhere in the NSC statement is the vote of no confidence mentioned nor have they mentioned anything about a foreign conspiracy to oust the government. All they've said is that the apparent conversation in the letter tantamounts to a blatant interference in the internal affairs of the country.

Imran Khan linked that NSC statement to the no-confidence and a foreign conspiracy and is basically saying, "look even the army endorses my view." That is utterly not true. Imran Khan has created unnecessary problems for himself.
 
What else would they confirm?

The fact is Imran has dragged the army unnecessarily into this and basically put words into their mouth. Nowhere in the NSC statement is the vote of no confidence mentioned nor have they mentioned anything about a foreign conspiracy to oust the government. All they've said is that the apparent conversation in the letter tantamounts to a blatant interference in the internal affairs of the country.

Imran Khan linked that NSC statement to the no-confidence and a foreign conspiracy and is basically saying, "look even the army endorses my view." That is utterly not true. Imran Khan has created unnecessary problems for himself.

have you seen the cable ? just asking.
 
What else would they confirm?

The fact is Imran has dragged the army unnecessarily into this and basically put words into their mouth. Nowhere in the NSC statement is the vote of no confidence mentioned nor have they mentioned anything about a foreign conspiracy to oust the government. All they've said is that the apparent conversation in the letter tantamounts to a blatant interference in the internal affairs of the country.

Imran Khan linked that NSC statement to the no-confidence and a foreign conspiracy and is basically saying, "look even the army endorses my view." That is utterly not true. Imran Khan has created unnecessary problems for himself.

So you can't put 2 and 2 together. America has been involved in 84 coup attempts, care to explain why so many
 
Believe it or not, i stop watching Geo since 2007, that was the time i realize that Jang group is compromised and it has some ulterior motives, people didnt realize that, but my source was right ......

All channels have biases but it has become a mafia front .I am amazed that it has kept its license.
 
Where is that letter?

Since it has so much drastic effect, shouldn't be it under public domain for the fact that it was shown in some rally as I've heard?
 
have you seen the cable ? just asking.

No, but he did watch Geo

The cable may very well be related to the no confidence motion. What Im saying is that Imran Khan is going around saying "the NSC statement also endorses my view that a regime change attempt was made through user of no confidence motion so there is a foreign conspiracy."

However, the NSC statement mentions nothing of the sort related to no confidence motion and a foreign conspiracy for regime change. You don't need to watch GEO to understand that. Just need to understand basic English. Both GEO and ARY are the worst forms of news channels in Pakistan.
 
PML-N Vice-President Maryam Nawaz has said the “threat letter”, termed by Prime Minister Imran Khan as evidence of ‘foreign conspiracy’ against his government, was drafted by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs officials.

“Letter was drafted in Ministry of Foreign Affairs… Pakistan’s ambassador to the US was abruptly transferred to Brussels a day before he [PM Imran] showed letter to the public,” she said while addressing a press conference in Lahore on Tuesday.

Maryam said PM Imran used the platform of National Security Committee (NSC) for political gains and misconstrued its communiqué.

“There is no mention of foreign conspiracy in the NSC official statement… Ministry of Foreign Affairs officials drafted this letter which was termed a diplomatic cable.”

While terming the letter ‘fake’, Maryam asked the premier to show it to public and also submit to the apex court.

“This is National Security Committee not Imran Bachao [protect] Committee,” she said while demanding the security agencies to clarify their position on the matter.

“The main player of this ‘letter-gate’ should be brought to Supreme Court,” she added.

Responding to PM Imran’s allegations, Maryam said opposition leaders’ meetings with foreign diplomats is a routine matter and there is nothing unusual about them.

“When we meet with foreign diplomats we discuss matters of country’s interest… did you [PM Imran] not meet foreign diplomats in the past,” asked the PML-N leader while showing photo of PM Imran with foreign diplomat before he came into power.

Citing the results of a recent survey, Maryam said majority believed that the real reason for the PTI government’s ouster is inflation not any foreign conspiracy.

‘Farah is front person of Bani Gala’

Speaking about the first lady’s close friend, Farah Khan, Maryam said she fled the country in “burqa” with the “help” of PM Imran following the dissolution of the federal cabinet.

Also read: PTI won’t form coalition govt again to avoid ‘blackmailing’: PM

“Farah is front person of Bani Gala [PM Imran’s residence]… make no mistake Farah was real chief minister of Punjab… all secrets will be unveiled before the nation soon,” she said accusing Farah Bibi of taking bribe for the transfers and postings of the officials in Punjab.

“They [PTI govt] dissolved the National Assembly because they knew that if any opposition party came into power it will hold them accountable for mega corruption scandals,” Maryam said.

The PML-N leader said PM Imran and his aides committed ‘high treason’ by dissolving the lower house of parliament.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/235115...-in-ministry-of-foreign-affairs-claims-maryam
 
by Imran Khan's logic: When Imran Khan went to meet Trump on WH, that should be proof of US interference in Pakistan for the opposition parties
 
It will be interesting if Imran Khan has the "guts" to give this letter to supreme court as proof. I want to see the laughter on tv
 
It will be interesting if Imran Khan has the "guts" to give this letter to supreme court as proof. I want to see the laughter on tv

He wanted to show it to the public. But was stopped by IHC (that was hurriedly opened at 8pm to issue an injunction under State Secrets Act).

Again it is not a letter, but minutes of a meeting between Pak Amb to the US and Asst Sec. State for South Asia Affairs Donald Lu.
 
PML-N Vice-President Maryam Nawaz has said the “threat letter”, termed by Prime Minister Imran Khan as evidence of ‘foreign conspiracy’ against his government, was drafted by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs officials.

“Letter was drafted in Ministry of Foreign Affairs… Pakistan’s ambassador to the US was abruptly transferred to Brussels a day before he [PM Imran] showed letter to the public,” she said while addressing a press conference in Lahore on Tuesday.

Maryam said PM Imran used the platform of National Security Committee (NSC) for political gains and misconstrued its communiqué.

“There is no mention of foreign conspiracy in the NSC official statement… Ministry of Foreign Affairs officials drafted this letter which was termed a diplomatic cable.”

While terming the letter ‘fake’, Maryam asked the premier to show it to public and also submit to the apex court.

“This is National Security Committee not Imran Bachao [protect] Committee,” she said while demanding the security agencies to clarify their position on the matter.

“The main player of this ‘letter-gate’ should be brought to Supreme Court,” she added.

Responding to PM Imran’s allegations, Maryam said opposition leaders’ meetings with foreign diplomats is a routine matter and there is nothing unusual about them.

“When we meet with foreign diplomats we discuss matters of country’s interest… did you [PM Imran] not meet foreign diplomats in the past,” asked the PML-N leader while showing photo of PM Imran with foreign diplomat before he came into power.

Citing the results of a recent survey, Maryam said majority believed that the real reason for the PTI government’s ouster is inflation not any foreign conspiracy.

‘Farah is front person of Bani Gala’

Speaking about the first lady’s close friend, Farah Khan, Maryam said she fled the country in “burqa” with the “help” of PM Imran following the dissolution of the federal cabinet.

Also read: PTI won’t form coalition govt again to avoid ‘blackmailing’: PM

“Farah is front person of Bani Gala [PM Imran’s residence]… make no mistake Farah was real chief minister of Punjab… all secrets will be unveiled before the nation soon,” she said accusing Farah Bibi of taking bribe for the transfers and postings of the officials in Punjab.

“They [PTI govt] dissolved the National Assembly because they knew that if any opposition party came into power it will hold them accountable for mega corruption scandals,” Maryam said.

The PML-N leader said PM Imran and his aides committed ‘high treason’ by dissolving the lower house of parliament.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/235115...-in-ministry-of-foreign-affairs-claims-maryam

Any update on the $20 million Michelle Obama gave to this traitors daughter for the development of girls schools yet?

We are yet to see a single school yet. Instead of her usual disrespectful barking on tv while out on bail, let's hear some answers from her.

We are yet to see any proof of a single school being developed yet.
 
PML-N Vice-President Maryam Nawaz has said the “threat letter”, termed by Prime Minister Imran Khan as evidence of ‘foreign conspiracy’ against his government, was drafted by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs officials.

“Letter was drafted in Ministry of Foreign Affairs… Pakistan’s ambassador to the US was abruptly transferred to Brussels a day before he [PM Imran] showed letter to the public,” she said while addressing a press conference in Lahore on Tuesday.

Maryam said PM Imran used the platform of National Security Committee (NSC) for political gains and misconstrued its communiqué.

“There is no mention of foreign conspiracy in the NSC official statement… Ministry of Foreign Affairs officials drafted this letter which was termed a diplomatic cable.”

While terming the letter ‘fake’, Maryam asked the premier to show it to public and also submit to the apex court.

“This is National Security Committee not Imran Bachao [protect] Committee,” she said while demanding the security agencies to clarify their position on the matter.

“The main player of this ‘letter-gate’ should be brought to Supreme Court,” she added.

Responding to PM Imran’s allegations, Maryam said opposition leaders’ meetings with foreign diplomats is a routine matter and there is nothing unusual about them.

“When we meet with foreign diplomats we discuss matters of country’s interest… did you [PM Imran] not meet foreign diplomats in the past,” asked the PML-N leader while showing photo of PM Imran with foreign diplomat before he came into power.

Citing the results of a recent survey, Maryam said majority believed that the real reason for the PTI government’s ouster is inflation not any foreign conspiracy.

‘Farah is front person of Bani Gala’

Speaking about the first lady’s close friend, Farah Khan, Maryam said she fled the country in “burqa” with the “help” of PM Imran following the dissolution of the federal cabinet.

Also read: PTI won’t form coalition govt again to avoid ‘blackmailing’: PM

“Farah is front person of Bani Gala [PM Imran’s residence]… make no mistake Farah was real chief minister of Punjab… all secrets will be unveiled before the nation soon,” she said accusing Farah Bibi of taking bribe for the transfers and postings of the officials in Punjab.

“They [PTI govt] dissolved the National Assembly because they knew that if any opposition party came into power it will hold them accountable for mega corruption scandals,” Maryam said.

The PML-N leader said PM Imran and his aides committed ‘high treason’ by dissolving the lower house of parliament.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/235115...-in-ministry-of-foreign-affairs-claims-maryam

Who does Farahs husband represent. Don't tell me, let me guess
 
He wanted to show it to the public. But was stopped by IHC (that was hurriedly opened at 8pm to issue an injunction under State Secrets Act).

Again it is not a letter, but minutes of a meeting between Pak Amb to the US and Asst Sec. State for South Asia Affairs Donald Lu.

thats even worse. so a normal conversation with both sides discussion their viewpoints.
 
thats even worse. so a normal conversation with both sides discussion their viewpoints.

How many coups have the Americans been involved in? It makes no difference if some loser doesn't believe it, the 3 service chiefs have vouched for its veracity.
 
thats even worse. so a normal conversation with both sides discussion their viewpoints.

Yeah not a normal conversation. Explicitly stating that Pakistan can be forgiven if IK is removed in the up coming NCV (this was mentioned a day before the motion was actually put forward). And if IK returns, then expect further punitive actions. Here I am paraphrasing what has been told to the public

And before you repeat the mantra that the cable was forged or tampered with, it was simultaneously sent to FM, PMO & COAS via secure cypher. So all three are the same and verified by Pak Army and NSC.

Had it been a simple conversation with US side showing their displeasure, the establishment would have never allowed IK to jeopardize Pak-Us relationship just for political purposes.
 
How many coups have the Americans been involved in? It makes no difference if some loser doesn't believe it, the 3 service chiefs have vouched for its veracity.

so you are telling me. Army, ALL including MQM parties are part of the plan? Including some PTI members themselves? and somehow the proof is a conversation between a PAKISTANI ambassador and foreign diplomats? Read this statement again then think as if Imran Khan is not PM and you will realize how ridiculous this "proof" is


Just because the opposition united , ALL of them, it doesn't mean its proof of foreign interference . Head in the sand moment
 
Yeah not a normal conversation. Explicitly stating that Pakistan can be forgiven if IK is removed in the up coming NCV (this was mentioned a day before the motion was actually put forward). And if IK returns, then expect further punitive actions. Here I am paraphrasing what has been told to the public

And before you repeat the mantra that the cable was forged or tampered with, it was simultaneously sent to FM, PMO & COAS via secure cypher. So all three are the same and verified by Pak Army and NSC.

Had it been a simple conversation with US side showing their displeasure, the establishment would have never allowed IK to jeopardize Pak-Us relationship just for political purposes.

Considering I've been part of how diplomats and policy experts communicate. THIS IS EXACTLY HOW EVERY CONVERSATION IS with every country. US says the same about Modi . It says the same about indonesia. it says THE SAME about Saudi Arabia. It says the same about Phillipines, It says the same every country with policy issues. In fact this is also how Germans, South Americans, Chinese and Australians operate. They discuss when benefits their positions . THats not proof . thats a conversation. and you really believe ALL opposition parties including some PTI officials themselves are in on it? this is worse than "Yahoodi Sazish". Its laughable. This is CULT behavior by IK supporters
 
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Considering I've been part of how diplomats and policy experts communicate. THIS IS EXACTLY HOW EVERY CONVERSATION IS with every country. US says the same about Modi . It says the same about indonesia. it says THE SAME about Saudi Arabia. It says the same about Phillipines, It says the same every country with policy issues. In fact this is also how Germans, South Americans, Chinese and Australians operate. They discuss when benefits their positions . THats not proof . thats a conversation. and you really believe ALL opposition parties including some PTI officials themselves are in on it? this is worse than "Yahoodi Sazish". Its laughable. This is CULT behavior by IK supporters

How many coups have they been part of.
 
Considering I've been part of how diplomats and policy experts communicate. THIS IS EXACTLY HOW EVERY CONVERSATION IS with every country. US says the same about Modi . It says the same about indonesia. it says THE SAME about Saudi Arabia. It says the same about Phillipines, It says the same every country with policy issues. In fact this is also how Germans, South Americans, Chinese and Australians operate. They discuss when benefits their positions . THats not proof . thats a conversation. and you really believe ALL opposition parties including some PTI officials themselves are in on it? this is worse than "Yahoodi Sazish". Its laughable. This is CULT behavior by IK supporters

Yes this is laughable
 
so you are telling me. Army, ALL including MQM parties are part of the plan? Including some PTI members themselves? and somehow the proof is a conversation between a PAKISTANI ambassador and foreign diplomats? Read this statement again then think as if Imran Khan is not PM and you will realize how ridiculous this "proof" is


Just because the opposition united , ALL of them, it doesn't mean its proof of foreign interference . Head in the sand moment

We have a corrupt system where people are brought easily. The MQM stated that the vote was going to be lost and they just wanted something out of it. Why did American diplomats meet Raja Riaz and other PTI turn coats? BTW Raja Riaz is a guy who can't speak Punjabi or Urdu?
 
Considering I've been part of how diplomats and policy experts communicate. THIS IS EXACTLY HOW EVERY CONVERSATION IS with every country. US says the same about Modi . It says the same about indonesia. it says THE SAME about Saudi Arabia. It says the same about Phillipines, It says the same every country with policy issues. In fact this is also how Germans, South Americans, Chinese and Australians operate. They discuss when benefits their positions . THats not proof . thats a conversation. and you really believe ALL opposition parties including some PTI officials themselves are in on it? this is worse than "Yahoodi Sazish". Its laughable. This is CULT behavior by IK supporters

Not privy to what the communique was, only what has been shared in the open. NSC has validated it as evidence of foreign interference. yes on its own it is not "evidence". Government maintains they have much more than that to make their case. Like I said had it been just US showing its displeasure, Pak Army would not have let IK jeopardize Pak-US relations just to save his skin.

You are more than welcome to become part of the opposition legal team and force the said communique into SC evidence. I hope SC reviews it and if it is just that i-e US displeasure and nothing more then hold IK in violation of Article 6.

Opposition should have attended the parliament briefing on the "letter" but they chose not to. Had they done so, they could have let public know.
 
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Considering I've been part of how diplomats and policy experts communicate. THIS IS EXACTLY HOW EVERY CONVERSATION IS with every country. US says the same about Modi . It says the same about indonesia. it says THE SAME about Saudi Arabia. It says the same about Phillipines, It says the same every country with policy issues. In fact this is also how Germans, South Americans, Chinese and Australians operate. They discuss when benefits their positions . THats not proof . thats a conversation. and you really believe ALL opposition parties including some PTI officials themselves are in on it? this is worse than "Yahoodi Sazish". Its laughable. This is CULT behavior by IK supporters

Pakistani government writing letter to themselves and it becomes a proof of something. It's really amusing and a big joke.
 
I don't know the all parties involved in Pakistan's politics, but based on reading here it seems most of them are corrupt. IK seems like a honest person trying to do some change and it's being PP it's not surprising to see huge support for IK. That may be blinding some posters and they can't spot this horrible antics pulled by IK here.
 
Not privy to what the communique was, only what has been shared in the open. NSC has validated it as evidence of foreign interference. yes on its own it is not "evidence". Government maintains they have much more than that to make their case. Like I said had it been just US showing its displeasure, Pak Army would not have let IK jeopardize Pak-US relations just to save his skin.

You are more than welcome to become part of the opposition legal team and force the said communique into SC evidence. I hope SC reviews it and if it is just that i-e US displeasure and nothing more then hold IK in violation of Article 6.

Opposition should have attended the parliament briefing on the "letter" but they chose not to. Had they done so, they could have let public know.

Can you tell me where in their statement did NSC say that the letter hinted towards or talked about the no confidence motion?
 
Imran Khan has requested the Supreme Court to set up a Memogate-style commission to probe into an alleged foreign conspiracy to topple his government.

“It is the genuine aspiration/desire of the answering Respondent [Imran Khan] that this honourable court which has taken cognisance of this matter should hold inquisitorial proceedings as done in the “Memogate case”, constitute a high-powered commission of judges of the Superior Court as done in the mentioned case.

“The said commission must analyse the incriminating evidence, take notice of the blatant horse-trading conducted by these corrupt politicians, some of whose family members are absconders of law and have taken refuge in safe heavens in the west,” reads a statement of facts submitted by Khan through his counsels Imtiaz Rasheed Siddiqui and Chaudhry Faisal Hussain in the suo motu case regarding the ruling of the National Assembly’s deputy speaker which rejected the no-confidence motion against the prime minister.

Well-placed officials of foreign governments commonly known as the “west” expressed their displeasure with the independent approach adopted by Khan and his cabinet, reads the statement.

“This was followed by sensitive communications as well as gathered most sensitive intelligence by the security agencies of Pakistan which manifested that the movement led by the opposition was no longer indigenous or routine democratic effort, but was foreign sponsored; it was aided as well as funded by those states which had become irritated/hostile to the struggle of the federal government to maintain an independent posture within the international community of the world,” says the former prime minister.

He further stated that various facts of the collected evidence were deliberated with anxiety and anguish within the meeting of the cabinet. The same was followed by a meeting of the National Security Council held on March, 31, 2022.

“In this meeting a full deliberation/analysis took place and the most sensitive evidence gathered in this regard was considered; satisfaction was expressed about its authenticity and the grave threat it posed to the integrity of Pakistan and its institutions.

“The participants of the National Security Council were convinced that the ill-conceived movement of the opposition to dislodge the democratically elected government of the answering Respondent [Imran Khan] was foreign funded as well as supported; the object thereof was to defeat the national and international priorities fixed by the state of Pakistan,” reads the statement.

Khan claims that the most sensitive evidence, gathered and secured, is available with the security apparatus of Pakistan. “It can be presented to the apex court, should it desires to scrutinise the same ‘in camera’ without revealing it to any other entity,” he tells the top court.

Read No evidence of foreign conspiracy against PM Imran found: sources

It is the matter of public knowledge and record that in brought daylight a most horrific and embarrassing horse-trading activity took place: the member MNAs of PTI, led by the opposition members of the ruling party/ PTI were encouraged to defect on the basis of incentives/extraneous considerations, according to the statement.

“These members were placed in practical detention in the Sindh House with full support of the machinery apparatus of the government of Sindh. Members of this defected group were shown, paraded and allowed to speak on the electronic media. For all practical purposes they were allowed to defect despite of the prohibition contained in Article 63 [A] of the Constitution.

“At this juncture it may be mentioned that this Article was incorporated under the 18th Amendment to the Constitution of Pakistan by the political parties comprising inter alia PML-N and PPP who respectively held the federal and the provincial governments at that time. Having secured the said members of PTI through sheer horse trading, the opposition then focused on breaking up the federal government by winning over the coalition partners of the PTI government through incentives/promises lacking morality. These efforts materialised due to foreign interference and aid as well as assistance given by anti-state elements with and outside Pakistan.

It is in the given factual perspective that a ‘no-confidence resolution’, based on pure conspiracies as detailed herein above was prepared and then moved before the National Assembly. The same was ultimately fixed on 3rd of April for discussion and voting," it said.

“The details of the proceedings held on April 3rd are already available in the official record of the assembly; certain portions thereof are also available in the electronic and print media. Nothing further maybe stated in this regard by the answering Respondent herein.

“After the dismissal of ‘No-confidence resolution’ and adjourned proceedings of the house, after taking legal advice, the answering Respondent, keeping in view the prevailing circumstances felt that a call to the general public for fresh elections was imperative for the well-being of the state of Pakistan. Thus, on the advice rendered in this regard by the answering Respondent, the President of Pakistan dissolved the National Assembly, for fresh elections so as to provide Pakistan a truly representative democratic elected government,” reads the statement.

“Last but not the least, the dream of the answering Respondent, like all patriotic people of Pakistan, is to purge the state institutions like parliament of all nefarious politicians who have a checkered history. These politicians belonging mostly to the opposition have a horrendous past of corruption, plunder of national wealth, suffer pending criminal prosecutions and trials, are involved in corruption and corrupt practices and have practically made a ‘regulatory capture’ of the noble institution like a parliament,” the prime minister says.

“The petition moved by the petitioners is not to uphold the rule of law but for ill motivated selfish aims and designs; the intent is to weaken the state of Pakistan by seeking a control of the state institutions. They desire to ensure that political parties like PTI and others may not remain in power or return to power in any way,” he adds.

According to the statement, ever since the inception of this government a number of ill motivated/undemocratic attempts were made by inter alia the opposition within the parliament to cause collapse of the lawfully elected federal government.

“The pivotal personalities, who during this tenure tried to conceive and mobilise these conspiracies are the leaders of the opposition which includes Mian Shahbaz Shareef as the leader of the PML-N, Moulana Fazalur Rehman, the leader of JUI, as well as Bilawal Bhutto Zardari/Asif Ali Zardari as Chairman and Co-Chairman of PPP. These MNAs along with other minor political personalities/parties within the parliament constantly aimed to destabilise the government of PTI.

These ill-conceived, in fact criminal efforts, failed for one reason or the other; the fundamental basis was lack of consensus among the participants thereof, individual motivations and selfish interests; the last but not the least being lack of their appeal to the public at large. Despite repeated attempts, these political parties were/have been unable to muster public support, so is to transform their efforts in a local indigenous opposition viz the democratically elected government headed by the answering Respondent.

“However, it was only during the last few months when a titanic move was made to implement the political vision of the federal government, within the arena of foreign affairs. These included positive remedial measure to end the Afghan war, exit of foreign forces from Afghanistan, the permanent resistance and refusal to provide any foreign bases/assistance to countries who desired hostile/inimical posture towards Afghanistan. Besides the same, cultivation and promotion of friendly relationship with the neighbouring countries, particularly those of the Republic of China and Russia, created hostilities in the international and well as local arena. In this regard, the visit of the answering Respondent to Russia during the initial days of the breakout of war between Russia and Ukraine proved to be an event which ignited adverse attempts with the domestic politics of Pakistan led by the Opposition.

“All of a sudden, the opposition found a new life. This time they mobilised in a manner which was utterly unusual and created concerns within the government circles as well as the security institutions of Pakistan that something was amiss. The opposition on a war footing mobilised extensive negotiations inter se, within and outside Pakistan; they were now constantly contacted by representatives of foreign states who felt that the federal government of Pakistan, headed by the answering Respondent was not in line with their perception of the global affairs. This movement, within days, initiated opposition activities within the parliament and manifested unnatural strength despite the fact that there was no populous support. Newspaper articles, comments by senior journalists/anchors within the electronic print and media as well as on the social network started issuing predictions/assessments that the federal government was to collapse with a short time,” says the statement.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2351215/imran-khan-seeks-memogate-style-probe-into-lettergate
 
Can you tell me where in their statement did NSC say that the letter hinted towards or talked about the no confidence motion?

I guess you have gotten your talking points handed over to you :)

I don't believe NSC has gone over details. All that they have said (in public domain) is there was credible threat of foreign interference in Pakistani internal affairs. This was endorsed by 3 military chiefs + joint chief of staff.

PDM should have joined the the in camera parliamentary session in which details were shared but they boycotted it.

I have stated it previously to the other poster, SC should bring the "minutes of the meeting/communique" into evidence along with all else that GoP has gathered to make judgement. If they agree that the threat was real and there was collusion then it settles IK's claim. If they pass judgement against it or that it was very flimsy/circumstantial then we should bring out Article 6 proceedings against IK et al for endangering Pak-Us relationship for political gain.
 
Pakistani government writing letter to themselves and it becomes a proof of something. It's really amusing and a big joke.

Not sure what you're going on about.

The letter are minutes from an official meeting. US's Lu in a senate committee completely ignored this question when he was confronted with it. And Wikileaks in 2007 too these same clowns were prostituting themselves to the Americans begging them to support them after Musharraf. Lu was also grilled on why the US leadership did not speak or talk to Khan whatsoever, he did not have any answer.

Coupled this with countless regime changes by the US, Biden's recent video of him talking about the exact script of regime change he'd like to see in Turkey (his words: make friends with the opposition so they can overthrow the PM), this isn't a surprise at all.

Not sure why you're so surprised here, the opposition is famous for bending over to the Americans, countless times. From memogate to Maulana Diesel begging the US to make him PM in 2008, we'd be here all day.

Maybe educate yourself about our snakes who think they're politicians before making blanket statements.
 
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Not sure what you're going on about.

The letter are minutes from an official meeting.

Is the transcript available? That way we all can read and see what US government was doing to overthrow IK?

In absence of that it's just a stunt pulled by politicians and it happens everywhere.
 
Pakistani government writing letter to themselves and it becomes a proof of something. It's really amusing and a big joke.

Damn, a very misinformed post buddy. It seems, you arent in good touch with Pakistan politics.
 
Is the transcript available? That way we all can read and see what US government was doing to overthrow IK?

In absence of that it's just a stunt pulled by politicians and it happens everywhere.

If it was a political stunt, then why Security Agencies of Pakistan approved the threat? So Pakistan ARmy, ISI, security agencies are lying to protect a political party? No.

There are evidences of pictures and videos of foreign ministers meeting with the opposition leaders in different places before the VNC.

Also, due to Secret Act, Letter can not be made public completely. But some of its parts were shared with the Media.
 
There is way too much evidence of a clear US conspiracy to overthrow the IK Govt and helping the opposition

- Pics of meetings of US Consul General Officials with Hamza Shahbaz, Maryam Nawaz, Hina Butt, Yousaf Raza Gillani

- Pics of meetings of US Consult General Officials with Aleem Khan

- Reports of meetings with PTI Dissident Noor Alam Khan

- Minutes of a meeting with the US Ambassador witnessed by the Millitary Attache

- Threats of consequences in a phone call by the US NSA advisor Jake Sullivan to his Pakistani counterpart if IK chose to proceed with his visit to Russia

- Joe Biden refusing to even have a phone call with IK ever since he took office

The opposition and all those who colluded need to be docked for treason and the US Embassy staff should be told to pack their bags and go home.
 
ISLAMABAD: PTI leader and former foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi on Wednesday denied the allegations levelled against him a day ago by PML-N Vice President Maryam Nawaz, who had said the Foreign Ministry was involved in a fake letter controversy.

Maryam was referring to the "threat" letter Prime Minister Imran Khan claimed was sent to him by a foreign diplomat. The premier, while waving the letter during a jalsa in Islamabad, had maintained that the United States was trying to remove him from power and had conspired with the Opposition. The no-confidence motion against him was part of the same controversy, the PM had maintained.

Addressing a press conference alongside former planning and development minister Asad Umar, Qureshi said that he categorically denies the allegations that the letter was manufactured in the Foreign Office.

"This is the version of the Opposition, but I refute it," he told journalists. "This letter is very real, therefore, do not create ambiguity around this matter."

Maryam had also said that soon after showing off the "fake letter," the PTI government transferred the ambassador, who had received the letter, to Belgium.

"We posted the ambassador in Brussels because he was well-versed," Qureshi said. "I have no idea who tells these things to Maryam."

Qureshi maintained that all those who had been working for the foreign ministry were "highly professional".

'NSC instructed us to call session'

Responding to Maryam's allegations that PM Imran Khan used the platform of the National Security Committee (NSC) for his personal interests, Qureshi clarified that the NSC itself had instructed the government to call the members of the National Assembly for a meeting to discuss the "threat" memo.

He said that the speaker invited the MNAs but the Opposition refused to attend the meeting.

"Now all those people, who had been invited to the meeting but did not show up, are asking questions [related to the authenticity of the threat memo]."

Qureshi continued: "This is a very serious matter and cannot be ignored."

'No-confidence motion right of Opposition'

The ex-foreign minister said that bringing about the no-confidence motion was the right of the Opposition, therefore, the matter — in light of the ongoing situation — is being heard at the Supreme Court.

"We [the PTI] did not run away from the vote of no-confidence, but the issue of the threat memo must be dealt with first," he said. "There is plotting and planning behind the vote of no-confidence, and the masses want to know the truth."

He said that the people of Pakistan want to know who were the people involved in this conspiracy. "Some people even held meetings abroad."

Regarding the allegation of the Opposition that barring its members from voting on the no-trust motion was a violation of the Constitution, Qureshi said that "no one is ignorant of the Constitution and the ruling was not passed out of the blue."

"We all are bound to abide by the Constitution and the deputy speaker is of the view that the matter related to the foreign conspiracy must be investigated," he said. "The deputy speaker has not violated the Constitution, he merely suggested further probe into the issue."

Qureshi said that the PTI government's lawyers will present their points of view in this regard before the apex court.

"Following that, the top court could interpret whether the deputy speaker's ruling was within the ambit of the Constitution or not. I cannot say anything about what decision it would take."

'Opposition bought MNAs'
Regarding losing the majority in the assembly, Qureshi said that the Opposition had bought the loyalties of some PTI MNAs to complete their numbers.

"The Opposition tried to prove that it had the required 172 members. According to the Constitution, the prime minister can dissolve the assemblies at any given point of time," he said.

He said that since the assemblies have been dissolved, the election commission is bound to hold the polls within 90 days as per the Constitution.

GEO
 
Is the transcript available? That way we all can read and see what US government was doing to overthrow IK?

In absence of that it's just a stunt pulled by politicians and it happens everywhere.

Also, same thing happened in the past too when Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was threatened by Henry Klissinger
 
If it was a political stunt, then why Security Agencies of Pakistan approved the threat? So Pakistan ARmy, ISI, security agencies are lying to protect a political party? No.

There are evidences of pictures and videos of foreign ministers meeting with the opposition leaders in different places before the VNC.

Also, due to Secret Act, Letter can not be made public completely. But some of its parts were shared with the Media.

Oh, I have no doubt that foreign elements are meeting with oppositions. It is actually very common. In fact, if you dig you may even find that IK was meeting with foreign elements just before he became PM. This is ridiculous point to raise.

Do you have the released part, then please share.

Given antics of IK, I wouldn't be surprised if many foreign elements don't want to deal with him, but making statements about overthrowing IK in a documented meeting?
 
The opposition and all those who colluded need to be docked for treason and the US Embassy staff should be told to pack their bags and go home.

Yes, it would be treason. That would have been the right and first step any democratic country should have taken if leaders are colluding with foreign elements to overthrow a government.

Is there charge of treason filed against elected leaders? If that does not happen and same people are still running for election next time then it clearly it's a political stunt.

Anyway, my observation is from 1000s miles away and I have no dog in this fight. Hopefully, situation gets resolved and actual problems are solved for people living in that region. Politics is dirty business so nothing surprises me anymore.
 
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I guess you have gotten your talking points handed over to you :)

I don't believe NSC has gone over details. All that they have said (in public domain) is there was credible threat of foreign interference in Pakistani internal affairs. This was endorsed by 3 military chiefs + joint chief of staff.

PDM should have joined the the in camera parliamentary session in which details were shared but they boycotted it.

I have stated it previously to the other poster, SC should bring the "minutes of the meeting/communique" into evidence along with all else that GoP has gathered to make judgement. If they agree that the threat was real and there was collusion then it settles IK's claim. If they pass judgement against it or that it was very flimsy/circumstantial then we should bring out Article 6 proceedings against IK et al for endangering Pak-Us relationship for political gain.

That's a good stance.
 
Pakistan’s former ambassador to the United States Asad Majeed Khan returned to Islamabad on March 24 after completing his tenure and did not leave the country abruptly, the embassy record shows.

Ambassador Khan arrived in Washington soon after his predecessor, Ambassador Jehangir Siddiqui, relinquished his job on Dec 25, 2018, and he presented his credentials to former US president Donald Trump on Jan 11, 2019.

Ambassador Asad Khan completed his three-year term on Jan 11, 2022, but stayed in Washington till March 24 on the arrival of ambassador-designate Sardar Masood Khan. Ambassador Asad Khan is now Pakistan’s ambassador-designate in Brussels.

At a news briefing in Lahore on Tuesday, PML-N vice president Maryam Nawaz described Asad Majeed Khan as the main character behind the so-called ‘threat letter’ controversy, which blames the Biden administration for backing the move to topple the PTI government. “The letter was a drama that was why the ambassador [Majid] was transferred to Brussels overnight,” she said.

But records maintained at the Pakistan Embassy and media reports showed that “there’s nothing abrupt about Ambassador Khan’s arrival or departure”, as a diplomatic source said.

The news about diplomatic changes in Washington, Brussels and Riyadh first appeared in the Pakistani media in October last year, stating that Masood Khan, the 27th president of Azad Jammu and Kashmir, is going to Washington as the country’s new envoy.

The reports pointed out that he would replace Ambassador Asad Khan who is going to Brussels as the new envoy to the European Union, Belgium and Luxembourg.

On Nov 4, 2021, the Pakistan Embassy in Washington confirmed that it had received nomination papers for Ambassador Masood Khan. The embassy submitted Mr Khan’s agrément to the State Department later that month.

In February, the Biden administration approved Mr Khan’s papers, starting the process for his arrival in Washington. The approval took longer than usual because of the Covid-19 pandemic which had impacted the entire administrative machinery across the United States.

The delay, however, gave the Indian lobby in the US an opportunity to launch a vilifying campaign against Mr Khan because of his Kashmiri origin and Ambassador Asad Khan played a key role in combating the propaganda against his senior. Ambassador Asad Khan, although a grade-22 career diplomat, is junior to Masood Khan who had retired from service after representing Pakistan at the UN and in China as an ambassador.

On the evening of his departure, Congress*woman Sheila Jackson Lee, Chairwoman of the Pakistan caucus in the US Congress, presented to him Certificate of Congressional Recognition for his efforts in promoting US-Pakistan relations.

“I firmly believe that our future lies in further strengthening Pakistan-US partnership and working together for shared objectives,” said Ambassador Asad Khan while thanking Congress for recognising his work.

Published in Dawn, April 7th, 2022
 
Oh, I have no doubt that foreign elements are meeting with oppositions. It is actually very common. In fact, if you dig you may even find that IK was meeting with foreign elements just before he became PM. This is ridiculous point to raise.

Do you have the released part, then please share.

Given antics of IK, I wouldn't be surprised if many foreign elements don't want to deal with him, but making statements about overthrowing IK in a documented meeting?

Its not a ridiculous point to be made when, foreign leaders are meeting with the convicted criminal of Pakistan who are out on bail. Right?

Its not ridiculous point, all those who are defected now , met with the foreign leaders before VNC.

And finally, threat is approved by our Army and all other security agencies when they went into details of the letter. And regarding the released part, its all over media sir.

And again i would like to tell you that this is not happening the first time, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was treated in a same manner by Americans.
 
I guess you have gotten your talking points handed over to you :)

I don't believe NSC has gone over details. All that they have said (in public domain) is there was credible threat of foreign interference in Pakistani internal affairs. This was endorsed by 3 military chiefs + joint chief of staff.

PDM should have joined the the in camera parliamentary session in which details were shared but they boycotted it.

I have stated it previously to the other poster, SC should bring the "minutes of the meeting/communique" into evidence along with all else that GoP has gathered to make judgement. If they agree that the threat was real and there was collusion then it settles IK's claim. If they pass judgement against it or that it was very flimsy/circumstantial then we should bring out Article 6 proceedings against IK et al for endangering Pak-Us relationship for political gain.

That's a good stance.

Letter did mention VNC against PM.

NSC has definitely went into the details of letters thats why they approved the authenticity of the threat, otherwise they wouldnt have done so.

Regarding SC, Gov did offer SC to show the letter but SC denied by saying "It is matter of Parliament and SC can not intervene into Parliament matters"

But today i am hearing that letter is submitted to SC (but i am not sure about it).

Anyhow,today SC will give final verdict, lets see.
 
America Won , Pakistan Losses - Dr Moeed Pirzada

AA! On the face of it, Supreme Court decision is being described as bold stand on principle and for constitutionalism; in reality its a surrender to the powers that were running the script! And precisely fits in with the history of Pakistan's Supreme Court that has always decided to please the powers. From Moulvi Tamiz ud Din case to this day, court has never been able to take a stand. Today was a defeat of democracy and people of Pakistan. Imran Khan, faced with an International conspiracy, was only trying to find a way towards an election. Assembly was dissolved, govt was finished and PM had already been de-notified, so all requirements towards an election were being full filled - but the real goal of the conspirators is to purge the system, get rid of PTI which is the third political force in Pakistan and to reorient Pakistan's foreign policy and strategic direction. Elections would have ended the political crisis - but the conspirators (both foreign and internal) want to produce political chaos and instability to achieve their ends - their real conspiracy may unfold in steps and stages! - Dr Moeed Pirzada
 
Huge loss of face for Pakistan diplomacy- its ambassadors will now face hostility/lack of trust from western powers. Not to forget that US will extract its revenge - via IMF & FATF if IK ever returns to power. With China facing several setbacks to its own economy & Russia being persona non-grata, there will be no backers for Pakistan economically. By choosing to forego diplomacy to save his own career, IK has doomed the economy further.
 
AA! On the face of it, Supreme Court decision is being described as bold stand on principle and for constitutionalism; in reality its a surrender to the powers that were running the script! And precisely fits in with the history of Pakistan's Supreme Court that has always decided to please the powers. From Moulvi Tamiz ud Din case to this day, court has never been able to take a stand. Today was a defeat of democracy and people of Pakistan. Imran Khan, faced with an International conspiracy, was only trying to find a way towards an election. Assembly was dissolved, govt was finished and PM had already been de-notified, so all requirements towards an election were being full filled - but the real goal of the conspirators is to purge the system, get rid of PTI which is the third political force in Pakistan and to reorient Pakistan's foreign policy and strategic direction. Elections would have ended the political crisis - but the conspirators (both foreign and internal) want to produce political chaos and instability to achieve their ends - their real conspiracy may unfold in steps and stages! - Dr Moeed Pirzada

That video is full of meaningless rant in my opinion.

The SC HAD to detail step by step like a teacher because via action of the deputy speaker, the PTI had acted like a school in the first place.

Secondly, I am not sure why he implies that IK didn't succeed in creating "khauf" in the minds of SC. Why anyone should? That's unethical and kills democracy.
 
Huge loss of face for Pakistan diplomacy- its ambassadors will now face hostility/lack of trust from western powers. Not to forget that US will extract its revenge - via IMF & FATF if IK ever returns to power. With China facing several setbacks to its own economy & Russia being persona non-grata, there will be no backers for Pakistan economically. By choosing to forego diplomacy to save his own career, IK has doomed the economy further.


Yeah, there are bad days ahead if Imran comes back. Extremely childish, naive and evil plot that kills any good will pakistan few countries. All the top western countries will keep distance from Pakistan diplomats
 
Letter did mention VNC against PM.

NSC has definitely went into the details of letters thats why they approved the authenticity of the threat, otherwise they wouldnt have done so.

Regarding SC, Gov did offer SC to show the letter but SC denied by saying "It is matter of Parliament and SC can not intervene into Parliament matters"

But today i am hearing that letter is submitted to SC (but i am not sure about it).

Anyhow,today SC will give final verdict, lets see.

Please don't make up stuff.

There is no mention of the VONC in the letter.
 
Is there a letter? I thought it was minutes of a meeting etc?

Indeed the letter being referred to here are the minutes of meeting.

There is so much misinformation that is being spread by the PTI media wing. Educated people I've spoken to literally have come out and said that this is an official letter from the US government threatening Imran to overthrow his regime. I mean, c'mon. How gullible do you have to be to believe such stuff? People are believing all the misinformation out there though.
 
Indeed the letter being referred to here are the minutes of meeting.

There is so much misinformation that is being spread by the PTI media wing. Educated people I've spoken to literally have come out and said that this is an official letter from the US government threatening Imran to overthrow his regime. I mean, c'mon. How gullible do you have to be to believe such stuff? People are believing all the misinformation out there though.

Nobody has seen the actual letter yet everyone knows what's written there. That's a surprising fact
 
There is way too much evidence of a clear US conspiracy to overthrow the IK Govt and helping the opposition

- Pics of meetings of US Consul General Officials with Hamza Shahbaz, Maryam Nawaz, Hina Butt, Yousaf Raza Gillani

- Pics of meetings of US Consult General Officials with Aleem Khan

- Reports of meetings with PTI Dissident Noor Alam Khan

- Minutes of a meeting with the US Ambassador witnessed by the Millitary Attache

- Threats of consequences in a phone call by the US NSA advisor Jake Sullivan to his Pakistani counterpart if IK chose to proceed with his visit to Russia

- Joe Biden refusing to even have a phone call with IK ever since he took office

The opposition and all those who colluded need to be docked for treason and the US Embassy staff should be told to pack their bags and go home.

Diplomats meet politicians all the time. Happens in India too.

Has the Pakistani NSA said that he was threatened by Jake Sullivan?

There is no law that says Biden has to call Imran.
 
Diplomats meet politicians all the time. Happens in India too.

Has the Pakistani NSA said that he was threatened by Jake Sullivan?

There is no law that says Biden has to call Imran.

Ok, imran, inteligence services who have acknowledged their was a threat just made the stuff up. Desperation amongst indians, their media is rife for imran to be ousted! Sad parosees.
 
Ok, imran, inteligence services who have acknowledged their was a threat just made the stuff up. Desperation amongst indians, their media is rife for imran to be ousted! Sad parosees.

Imran has his interests to protect. He has lost majority in the house and hence he needs sone excuse.

Didn't the SC of pakistan ask who were present in the NSC meeting?

Has the ISI made a statement regarding this to atleast the SC?

Imran is good for India, he has single handedly burnt the bridges of pakistan with US and its allies,and put all eggs in the China Basket.
 
Federal Minister for Information Fawad Chaudhry said on Friday that the incumbent government has decided to form a commission to probe the alleged 'foreign conspiracy' behind the no-confidence resolution filed against Prime Minister Imran Khan by the opposition.

Talking to the media following the cabinet meeting, the minister stated that the commission will be headed by Lt General (retd) Tariq Khan.

He said that the commission would show that the communique does exist, after the Leader of the Opposition Shehbaz Sharif claimed that it was fake.

According to Fawad, the commission would also investigate if the threat of a “regime change” is present in the communique.

“Thirdly, it will aim to discover who were the local handlers who took this plan further and where the conspiracy originated from,” he said, adding that it was impossible for all MNAs to be involved in it.

The minister further said that the government will present the record and witnesses of the 'foreign conspiracy' against Prime Minister Imran Khan to all parliamentarians.

“The original records will be given to MNAs as well as those sacrificed for the no-confidence cause, and if they still continue with the vote then the people of Pakistan will decide who stands where,” Fawad said.

Comparing Mir Jafar giving way to the East India Company – which ultimately led to British rule across the subcontinent – to the current situation in Pakistan, Fawad claimed that if the country did not defend its independence, then it would return to slavery.

“We would then have to start again from March 31, 2040,” he said.

The minister maintained that an “imported, selected government” would be imposed and controlled from outside the country, rendering Pakistan unable to make its own decisions.

The decision comes ahead of the no-trust vote session in the lower house, ordered by the Supreme Court after it set aside NA Speaker Qasim Suri’s ruling dismissing the no-confidence resolution filed against PM Imran.

Express Tribune
 
Diplomats meet politicians all the time. Happens in India too.

Has the Pakistani NSA said that he was threatened by Jake Sullivan?

There is no law that says Biden has to call Imran.

I have seen that overseas pakistanis are not aware of diplomats etc meeting people. Most of them from UK like @kkwc and [MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION] think they are posted based on political govt influence.

I have noticed that their is lack of knowledge on their part about how politics especially in subcontinent works or how the beurocracy works.

I myself witnessed rajiv shukla meeting with our high comissioner in india and having good relations with them, yet that did not mean bcc was going to allow pakistan india cricket to happen
 
Indeed the letter being referred to here are the minutes of meeting.

There is so much misinformation that is being spread by the PTI media wing. Educated people I've spoken to literally have come out and said that this is an official letter from the US government threatening Imran to overthrow his regime. I mean, c'mon. How gullible do you have to be to believe such stuff? People are believing all the misinformation out there though.

if Americans are involved then i do not know why overseas Pakistani American do not go back to Pakistan to support Ik?
Let IK know we are with you that's why so left USA.
 
if Americans are involved then i do not know why overseas Pakistani American do not go back to Pakistan to support Ik?
Let IK know we are with you that's why so left USA.

And abandon all American made products including social media and internet. That should teach them
 
Imran has his interests to protect. He has lost majority in the house and hence he needs sone excuse.

Didn't the SC of pakistan ask who were present in the NSC meeting?

Has the ISI made a statement regarding this to atleast the SC?

Imran is good for India, he has single handedly burnt the bridges of pakistan with US and its allies,and put all eggs in the China Basket.

There was clear horse trading hence the USA diplomats meetings with the defectors from the pti who were rewarded handsomely.

The supreme court completely ignored everything related to the threat, letter.

Pakistan secret services acknowledged the threat as credible, hence imran offered extra security.

Imran is no puppet to no one hence why usa, India, see him as a threat. Also his ever growing influence with China, OIC, Russia was panick times for the enemy of the state.
 
Lt-General (retd) Tariq Khan has excused himself from heading a commission formed by the PTI government on its likely last day in office to probe the alleged 'foreign conspiracy' behind the no-confidence resolution filed against Prime Minister Imran Khan by the opposition, Express News reported on Friday.

The refusal came soon after Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry announced that the federal cabinet has decided to form an inquiry commission led by a retired general to investigate the “foreign conspiracy” allegations.
 
There was clear horse trading hence the USA diplomats meetings with the defectors from the pti who were rewarded handsomely.

The supreme court completely ignored everything related to the threat, letter.

Pakistan secret services acknowledged the threat as credible, hence imran offered extra security.

Imran is no puppet to no one hence why usa, India, see him as a threat. Also his ever growing influence with China, OIC, Russia was panick times for the enemy of the state.

1. Speaker can disqualify the defectors. No?

2. Afaik countries dont send letters to ambassadors before doing a regime change.

3. Then isi should have been in the court.

4. OIC has zero value. Zero

China already has poor relations with India and USA. So pakistan getting closer to China makes no difference.

Russia is a firm Indian ally. And neither side has ever betrayed the other. So i can only laugh at this statement of Imran having influence in Russia.
 
Lt-General (retd) Tariq Khan has excused himself from heading a commission formed by the PTI government on its likely last day in office to probe the alleged 'foreign conspiracy' behind the no-confidence resolution filed against Prime Minister Imran Khan by the opposition, Express News reported on Friday.

The refusal came soon after Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry announced that the federal cabinet has decided to form an inquiry commission led by a retired general to investigate the “foreign conspiracy” allegations.

This shows how much pressure has been excerted by few powerful Govt. Institutions for not touching the letter issue. Still most people openly ignore the signs like cattles in a herd.

Pathetic state of our so called Pillars who are trying their best hiding the foreign conspiracy.
 
1. Speaker can disqualify the defectors. No?

2. Afaik countries dont send letters to ambassadors before doing a regime change.

3. Then isi should have been in the court.

4. OIC has zero value. Zero

China already has poor relations with India and USA. So pakistan getting closer to China makes no difference.

Russia is a firm Indian ally. And neither side has ever betrayed the other. So i can only laugh at this statement of Imran having influence in Russia.

Russia like China wants to be a firm Pakistan ally, hence the shock and awe in the enemy states.
 
There was clear horse trading hence the USA diplomats meetings with the defectors from the pti who were rewarded handsomely.

The supreme court completely ignored everything related to the threat, letter.

Pakistan secret services acknowledged the threat as credible, hence imran offered extra security.

Imran is no puppet to no one hence why usa, India, see him as a threat. Also his ever growing influence with China, OIC, Russia was panick times for the enemy of the state.

If such a clear horse trading was visible why wasn't it produced to court and get them arrested. None of these people who are calling the opposition corrupt wants to take them to court and produce evidence.
 
Russia like China wants to be a firm Pakistan ally, hence the shock and awe in the enemy states.

Lol. :))

Russia has no interest in leaving India and becoming a Pakistani ally.

Since the war, Putin has interacted with Modi over phone a few times. Lavrov has visited Delhi.

Imran has no influence on his MNAs,and ge will influence, Russia m
 
ISLAMABAD: The Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MoFA) believes that making the contents of the alleged "threat letter" public would harm the national interest of the country, The News reported Saturday.

Prime Minister Imran Khan spoke about the letter during his live telecast Friday evening and explained what a cipher is — a coded message sent by embassies to their country.

According to the foreign ministry, the coded message sent by the ambassador shouldn't be revealed.

Per the article, a senior official in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, requesting anonymity, told Geo News: “The Foreign Office thinks overwhelmingly that the foreign secretary shouldn't make public the contents of the (coded) telegram dated March 7.”

"The ambassadors should be encouraged to share their assessments based on their interactions with their interlocutors of the host countries, and any step contrary to this would be detrimental to the national interest," said the official.

He said that this is practised all over the world. "An ambassador’s cable is never released for political purposes. There is not a single example of this,” he added.

The use of messages about diplomatic interactions would inhibit the host countries' officials from interacting with their Pakistani counterparts, whose job is to keep their headquarters updated with information relevant to their country.

GEO
 
Brilliant speech by FM Qureshi in progress, making some good points.
 
Last throw of the dice from SMQ but makes good points on the timing of the washington meetings and the no confidence vote filing. I think the national security threat letter should go for further verification.
 
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