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The letter that proves foreign interference to remove PM Imran Khan

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My question for the Biden Administration: By indulging in a regime change conspiracy to remove a democratically elected PM of a country of over 220 mn people to bring in a puppet PM, do you think you have lessened or increased anti-American sentiment in Pakistan?</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1521085880823431170?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Absurd , also he is now blaming Biden administration and not American establishment, which means him meeting Omar should be questionable as she is a democrat.

Also why does he think KSA is not involved? Or he is afraid of the backlash he would face if he calls them out.
 
Absurd , also he is now blaming Biden administration and not American establishment, which means him meeting Omar should be questionable as she is a democrat.

Also why does he think KSA is not involved? Or he is afraid of the backlash he would face if he calls them out.

Miss Ilhan Omar was on Personal visit to Pakistan. She is not visiting as a US Senator. She can travel and meet whoever she wants.
 
She can visit whom she wants , why did he meet her?

Democratic party already distanced themselves from Omar's trip to Pakistan. Imran Khan met her because she is a law maker in USA and the other obvious reason of her being a Muslim.
I agree with your post on Imran directly accusing Biden for his PM post loss. It is absurd to accuse someone like that.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">تبدیلئ اقتدارکی امریکی سازش کےبارے میں کوئی شک تھابھی تو اس ویڈیوکےبعدباقی نہیں رہناچاہئےکہ ایک منتخب جمہوری وزیراعظم+اسکی حکومت کوکیوں ہٹایاگیا۔🇺🇸ایک ایسی تابعدار کٹھ پتلی کو🇵🇰کا PM دیکھناچاہتاہےجو یورپی جنگ میں 🇵🇰 کوغیرجانبدار رہنےکی اجازت نہ دے<br> <a href="https://t.co/rqFW8yQRvZ">pic.twitter.com/rqFW8yQRvZ</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1521107302295744512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">وہ جوامریکی مطالبات کےسامنےسرِتسلم خم کرے؛جوروس سےمعاہدوں سے بازرہے اورچین کیساتھ ہمارےسٹریٹیجیک اشتراک میں کمی لائے۔اگرایک وزیراعظم پاکستان کی خودمختاری+آزادخارجہ پالیسی پراصرارکرتاہےتواسےہٹایا جائیگا اوراسکی جگہ شہبازشریف جیسےایک غلام مجرم کو وزراتِ عظمیٰ پر بٹھایاجائےگا</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1521107305403715587?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">حکومت کی تبدیلی کی اس امریکی سازش، جوواشنگٹن میں ہمارےسفیرکےامریکی محکمۂ خارجہ کےافسر”Lu“کی دھمکیوں پرمشتمل خفیہ مراسلے سےیکسرواضح تھی،کی تصدیق کےبعدیقیناًچیف جسٹس آف پاکستان کی ذمہ داری ہےکہ اس سازش میں کارفرماعناصرکی نشاندہی کیلئےکمیشن بنائیں+کھلی سماعت کااہتمام کریں!</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1521107308381671424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
So conspiracy denied by the Army and the NSC. And now a quote from defense analyst from fox is the evidence. How much can one man exploit the emotion and jahalat of the people !

If this was a conspiracy, IK govt should have summoned and dismissed the US ambassador. US which controls IMF has multiple ways to squeeze fledgling economy.
 
So conspiracy denied by the Army and the NSC. And now a quote from defense analyst from fox is the evidence. How much can one man exploit the emotion and jahalat of the people !

If this was a conspiracy, IK govt should have summoned and dismissed the US ambassador. US which controls IMF has multiple ways to squeeze fledgling economy.

The evidence is overwhelming and more to the point they have carried it out. She said exactly what IK has said and what Lu told to our Ambassador. You are either with us or against us.
 
Miss Ilhan Omar was on Personal visit to Pakistan. She is not visiting as a US Senator. She can travel and meet whoever she wants.

IK might be trying to create a political debate here in the U.S. about the Biden Administration's involvement in Pakistan's internal politics. If the Republicans start talking about the democrats meddling again in foreign countries, they may gain an advantage in the 2022 election cycle. This debate will legitimize IK's claim about American interference/conspiracy.

IK may believe that his relationship with the Biden Administration is so bad that he doesn't have anything to lose. But, on the other hand, it could prove costly if the Biden Administration gets irate and starts placing sanctions on Pakistan. However, I doubt Biden is that erratic, so it could turn out to be a wise political move.
 
Lol at IK’s feeble clutching of straws. If today its Fox news, tomorrow whats next? Daily mail?
 
So conspiracy denied by the Army and the NSC. And now a quote from defense analyst from fox is the evidence. How much can one man exploit the emotion and jahalat of the people !

If this was a conspiracy, IK govt should have summoned and dismissed the US ambassador. US which controls IMF has multiple ways to squeeze fledgling economy.

Miftah Ismail's recent negotiations with IMF in the US have been favourable. Seems like US only had an issue with IK
 
The audacity of this Muppet. Don't do deals with Russia. Scale back dealings with Chinese. Pakistan should remain ASSERTIVE and stay neutral in a war not in its making.
 
Lol at IK’s feeble clutching of straws. If today its Fox news, tomorrow whats next? Daily mail?

The fact that the SC has refused to setup a commission but manged to open at midnight should tell you that it's you that's clutching at straws. Anyone that says different is talking out of their ears
 
The audacity of this Muppet. Don't do deals with Russia. Scale back dealings with Chinese. Pakistan should remain ASSERTIVE and stay neutral in a war not in its making.

Ok, so your happy to be supporting a puppet government who are basically the yanks lap dogs, shameless mentality.
 
The fact that the SC has refused to setup a commission but manged to open at midnight should tell you that it's you that's clutching at straws. Anyone that says different is talking out of their ears

How we can call it even a court? How unfortuo we Pakistani are? It can't be worse than this.
 
So conspiracy denied by the Army and the NSC. And now a quote from defense analyst from fox is the evidence. How much can one man exploit the emotion and jahalat of the people !

If this was a conspiracy, IK govt should have summoned and dismissed the US ambassador. US which controls IMF has multiple ways to squeeze fledgling economy.

Lol, denied by NSC,
 
He doesn't even need that, do elections and see who wins. He has insane support.

I dont think anybody will have a problem if he wins the election again fair & square. My issue is his petulance on being cast aside is totally Trumpian - blaming it on a foreign govt especially one who calls all the shots in the IMF you desperately need for bailing out your economy & then producing ‘evidence’ in the form of a fox news host (of all the people in the world!). All we now need is a press-conference in front of a landscaping warehouse or somebody to release the Kraken!!
 
Honestly IK should man-up & just lie low for the next few months & watch this coalition implode like it eventually will. And build up relations again with Pakistani military establishment. Nothing will be gained by making an enemy out of America - even if you dont want their friendship.
 
Honestly IK should man-up & just lie low for the next few months & watch this coalition implode like it eventually will. And build up relations again with Pakistani military establishment. Nothing will be gained by making an enemy out of America - even if you dont want their friendship.

I think that is precisely why he is taking shots at Biden. He only wants the Democratic party to be his enemy. But, of course, it's still a risky strategy.
 
I think that is precisely why he is taking shots at Biden. He only wants the Democratic party to be his enemy. But, of course, it's still a risky strategy.

That strategy if true makes even lesser sense. Now that Afghanistan is no longer in the picture, what reasons will a transactional guy like Trump have to strike a friendly relation with Pakistan - especially since he is so prone to remind everybody about how much money America has given to Pakistan in the past & how OBL was found in Abbotabad? Also IK has blamed GOP president many times for dragging Pakistan into the post 9/11 war to have any serious traction with the Republicans. No, IK’s best bet would have been the democrats but he blew it.

IK does not have a problem with Biden, he is staunchly anti-America. Which would have been generally fine, if his country were not dependent on international loans to keep it afloat. His short term vision has completely blinded him about the risks of pursuing a north-korea esque strategy which even China will never pursue!
 
That strategy if true makes even lesser sense. Now that Afghanistan is no longer in the picture, what reasons will a transactional guy like Trump have to strike a friendly relation with Pakistan - especially since he is so prone to remind everybody about how much money America has given to Pakistan in the past & how OBL was found in Abbotabad? Also IK has blamed GOP president many times for dragging Pakistan into the post 9/11 war to have any serious traction with the Republicans. No, IK’s best bet would have been the democrats but he blew it.

IK does not have a problem with Biden, he is staunchly anti-America. Which would have been generally fine, if his country were not dependent on international loans to keep it afloat. His short term vision has completely blinded him about the risks of pursuing a north-korea esque strategy which even China will never pursue!

IK is definitely against various American policies. However, his strategies are usually not short-term, even if he is prone to the occasional slip of the tongue. But yeah, he should be mindful that Pak's expenditure is more than its income.
 
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IK is definitely against various American policies. However, his strategies are usually not short-term, even if he is prone to the occasional slip of the tongue. But yeah, he should be mindful that Pak's expenditure is more than its income.

Asserting that America threatened IK & Pakistan & conspired to get him removed is no mere slip of tongue. And calling Pakistan’s current financial condition which is hanging on a thread as mere ‘more expenditure over income’ is the biggest understatement on mother earth. Hope IK supporters understand the actual implications of those statements.
 
Asserting that America threatened IK & Pakistan & conspired to get him removed is no mere slip of tongue. And calling Pakistan’s current financial condition which is hanging on a thread as mere ‘more expenditure over income’ is the biggest understatement on mother earth. Hope IK supporters understand the actual implications of those statements.

I've found that the best way to make a point is by understating it. It makes people think instead of invoking emotions in them. But I'm not always successful at it.
 
Openly accusing Biden administration for the “conspiracy” to oust him shows his desperation. He has completely lost it and is probably aware of the fact that he will never become PM again so he feels he has nothing to lose at this stage.

Delusional PTI supporters can thump their chests over the scale of his jalsas all the want, but the fact is that the military will never allow a destructive loose cannon like him to become the PM again, especially when he harbors anti-U.S. views and has now reached a point where his relationship with the Pentagon seems to have reached a point of no return.

Imran’s hunger for power and desperation to hold onto his seat has forced him to say thing that he will regret big time. Someone needs to put a muzzle on him because he has no idea what he is doing or saying right now.

As far as the “conspiracy” is concerned, in spite of massive rigging in his favor in 2018, only 32% of the public voted for him. If the military and judiciary decided to be part of the “conspiracy” to remove someone who just got 32% of the vote, then it should be considered as a “good conspiracy”.
 
Openly accusing Biden administration for the “conspiracy” to oust him shows his desperation. He has completely lost it and is probably aware of the fact that he will never become PM again so he feels he has nothing to lose at this stage.

Delusional PTI supporters can thump their chests over the scale of his jalsas all the want, but the fact is that the military will never allow a destructive loose cannon like him to become the PM again, especially when he harbors anti-U.S. views and has now reached a point where his relationship with the Pentagon seems to have reached a point of no return.

Imran’s hunger for power and desperation to hold onto his seat has forced him to say thing that he will regret big time. Someone needs to put a muzzle on him because he has no idea what he is doing or saying right now.

As far as the “conspiracy” is concerned, in spite of massive rigging in his favor in 2018, only 32% of the public voted for him. If the military and judiciary decided to be part of the “conspiracy” to remove someone who just got 32% of the vote, then it should be considered as a “good conspiracy”.

Ok I have been waiting to write this for sometime now as I wanted some clarity on this number. It has been widely stated that in 2018 Imran got 32% whilst PPP/PMLN got 36% or so. I have many questions and its fine if you don't answer but I just wanted to put it out there.

- Does the 32% number includes dissident voters that occupy 20 NA seats? I was watching one idiot PMLN member on TV the other day who mentioned that votes PTI got in 2018 were rigged but votes that these dissident members got were legit. This Govt is best definition of idiocracy (look up this word).

- If PTI got 32% and PPP/PMLN got 36% then that makes up total of 68%. So my question is who is the other biggest party in Pakistan with remaining 32% votes?

On a side note, I really like this self-destruction mode the opposition has got themselves into from past month or so. The most disappointing set of people at the moment would be junior Sharifs, junior Bhuttos, junior Fazlu and so who's future of looting is now dead.
 
PTI Chairman Imran Khan on Monday claimed that US defence analyst Dr Rebecca Grant's remarks in a Fox News show removed "all doubts" regarding his allegation that he was ousted from the prime minister's office last month through a US-sponsored "foreign conspiracy" due to his pursuance of an independent foreign policy for Pakistan.

Khan's remarks came after Dr Grant was asked in a Fox News programme what the US message to Pakistan should be. To this, she said: "Pakistan needs to support Ukraine, stop looking for deals with Russia right now, limit their involvement with China, and stop the anti-American policies that are part of the reason that Imran Khan, the prime minister, got voted out of office a couple of weeks ago.

"So, it's time to cool it on the anti-American, pro-Russia policies in Pakistan. Now is not the time."

Dr Grant is a contributor for Fox News and provides analysis on Russia's invasion of Ukraine as well as national and military-related topics. She is also the president of an independent research firm named IRIS that specialises in defence and aerospace. According to IRIS website, she has previously worked for RAND Corporation — a US government-funded think tank — and on the staff of the secretary of the US Air Force and its chief of staff.

Soon after the video made rounds on social media, Imran, in a series of tweets, claimed vindication for his stance, saying it should "remove all doubts" about why a democratically elected prime minister and his government were ousted.

He asked US President Joe Biden's administration whether it believed it had increased or decreased "anti-American" sentiment in Pakistan by indulging in what he termed as a "regime-change conspiracy".

"My question for the Biden Administration: By indulging in a regime-change conspiracy to remove a democratically elected PM of a country of over 220 [million] people to bring in a puppet PM, do you think you have lessened or increased anti-American sentiment in Pakistan?" he questioned.

"Clearly the US wants an obedient puppet as PM who will not allow Pak choice of neutrality in a European war; a PM who will be obedient to US demands; who will not sign agreements with Russia & who will downgrade our strategic [relationship] with China," Imran, who was ousted from government after losing a no-confidence vote on April 9, said.

If a Pakistani prime minister asserted the country's sovereignty and formulated an independent foreign policy, he would be removed and a "subservient, crooked PM like [Shehbaz] Sharif will be brought in", the former premier claimed.

Terming the video clip a reaffirmation of "US regime-change conspiracy", Imran said it was the chief justice of Pakistan's duty to form a commission to hold public hearings to determine who was involved in it.

Separately, in a video message, Imran said he had presented the "cable" to the nation and sent it to the chief justice, the National Assembly speaker and the president. He had made the nation aware that the government was removed through a "very big foreign conspiracy", he added.

"We told everyone that it is clear in the cable that a foreign conspiracy was hatched abroad against Pakistan's democracy and government. Our country's Mir Jafars and Mir Sadiqs were involved in it."

However, prominent journalists, incumbent Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and other leaders of the then-opposition did not believe the PTI, he lamented.

"Later it was all proved. Everyone accepted that the cable is real," he said.

Referring to Grant's comments, Imran said the analyst had elaborated that the US "removed" Pakistan's prime minister because he was trying to formulate an independent foreign policy and remaining neutral in the war between Russia and Ukraine.

Referring to his stance as the then-prime minister, he continued that he was broadening relations with China and talking about trade with Russia which would have benefitted Pakistan. Russia was ready to give Pakistan wheat and oil at 30 per cent reduced prices, he said.

"It was made clear that this is why change was brought because this [new] prime minister will follow all their instructions."

Imran claimed that PM Shehbaz would sacrifice Pakistan's interests for those of the US, limit the country's relations with China and not do any trade with Russia.

The new government had come into power because of an agenda, he alleged, iterating that Shehbaz had been "imposed because of a conspiracy". He termed the premier as "the most corrupt man whose family is facing cases [related to] Rs40 billion in NAB, FIA", adding that the court had also convicted suspects in those cases.

"They [will] listen to everything [which will be] against Pakistan's benefit like the way Pakistan participated in the war on terror. We sacrificed 80,000 of our people in the US' war, destroyed the country, got 400 drone attacks done on our people. What benefit did we get?

"We did all this for another country. We are again going down the same path. And this was why the regime change was done," he said.

The PTI chairman said that if the Supreme Court did not hold open hearings to "expose the conspiracy" no prime minister in the future would protect Pakistan.

"When these investigations are started, it will be found who committed treason with this country [and] how this mafia government registered blasphemy cases against us. They should be ashamed. In fact, treason cases should be registered against them."

He repeated his call to the nation's citizens to come out in protest on chand raat (the eve of Eid) with flags to show everyone within the country as well as people abroad that Pakistanis were "not ready to be anyone's slaves".

"All of you have to come out for Pakistan's future, an independent Pakistan. And it will be proved that this country is not ready to be anyone's slaves but Allah's," he concluded.

'Foreign conspiracy'
Imran claims that his government was sent packing and PM Shehbaz's regime was subsequently "imposed" on the country as part of a "conspiracy" hatched by the US against his insistence of having an independent foreign policy.

"This conspiracy started when the US decided to remove Imran Khan," the PTI chairman had said last week. "Their secretary, Donald Lu, came to our US ambassador and threatened him that if Imran Khan wasn't removed, Pakistan would have to face difficulties. He also said that if Imran Khan was removed by the no-confidence vote, Pakistan would be forgiven.

"They [US] knew that the corrupt mafia would seek forgiveness," Imran had said, stating that the US knew "these dacoits had money abroad. Always remember, all those leaders who have money, palaces and businesses abroad can never stand up to the US. They will always remain slaves to the US."

The former prime minister has also called for countrywide protests and a long march to the capital in the last week of May.

He had earlier elaborated that the march's purpose would be to give the US the message that Pakistan was a "free country" and urged his supporters to gather people from every village, street and locality and prepare them for the movement for "true freedom".

"I want two million people to come to Islamabad when I give the call. I want all of you to go to the people and preach to them about our movement for true freedom," Imran had said at a workers' convention in Lahore earlier last week.

For its part, the US has denied the claims of a "foreign conspiracy" being hatched to oust Imran.

Last month, US State Department deputy spokesperson Jalina Porter said that the United States welcomed the statement issued by Pakistan's National Security Committee (NSC) wherein it dismissed an impression of a "foreign conspiracy" to topple the Imran-led government.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1687919
 
Following former prime minister Imran Khan’s remarks during an interview, Federal Minister for Information and Broadcasting Marriyum Aurangzeb urged him to give some “rest to his lies and tongue” on the occasion of Eidul Fitr.

Taking to her Twitter account, Aurangzeb wrote: “Imran sahib, for Allah’s sake let the people celebrate Eid as it is after four years that the people have got some relief from inflation.”

The federal minister asked the former premier to stop mourning his “failures, unfulfilled promises, corruption, and thefts on Eid as this would spoil the occasion for the 220 million people of the country.”

Aurangzeb suggested Khan say a few words of remorse for his lies and corruption before Allah on the day of acceptance of prayers.

“Please forgive everybody on the occasion of Eid,” she emphasised.

Earlier, during an interview with the private TV channel, Khan had once again reiterated that since the PTI-led government was toppled through a conspiracy, a commission must be formed under the chairmanship of the chief justice of Pakistan as he's the best person to oversee the probe.

He continued to blame the US for toppling his government, saying that the United States often instigates regime change for its benefit, not for the welfare of the countries involved.

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Former prime minister Imran Khan on Tuesday said that since the PTI-led government was toppled through a conspiracy, a commission must be formed under the chairmanship of the chief justice of Pakistan as he's the best person to oversee the probe.

The PTI chairman, while speaking to a private TV channel, said that his only demand was to conduct the elections but the polls should take place under the supervision of a suitable chief election commissioner (CEC).

Last week, Khan had said that CEC Sikandar Sultan Raja was PML-N's agent, adding that he alone makes the decisions, and all of his decisions are against the PTI.

Responding to his allegations of a regime change and the involvement of the United States in ensuring his ouster through the no-confidence emotion, Khan said that he is not anti-America or against any other country.

"The United States often instigates regime change for its own benefits, not for the benefit of the countries involved," he said, adding he knows every character involved in the conspiracy.

Khan further said that he wants a commission to be formed to probe the matter, and suggested the chief justice of Pakistan be the head of the commission.

"A sitting prime minister has been ousted through a conspiracy, therefore, all state institutions should look into the matter as it has turned out to be a huge setback for the country," he said.

He said that since the "selected" government has been imposed on the masses through plotting and planning, an election must be held as soon as possible, otherwise, democracy will suffer a huge blow.

The PTI chairman added that the nation must decide whether it wants to live independently or become a slave to some other country.

"I have proof against people who had been frequently visiting the US embassy in Pakistan," he said. "Hussain Haqqani had a meeting with Nawaz Sharif in London where they hatched this conspiracy.

He said that the previous Opposition had been accusing the PTI government of being incompetent and selected.

"We had been hearing those remarks for three-and-a-half years. My only demand is to conduct the election under the chairmanship of a neutral CEC. Let the people decide [the country's fate]" he said.

Answering a question related to his wife Bushra Bibi's friend Farah Gogi, who has recently come under fire for her alleged involvement in corruption, Khan said that if she hadn't paid taxes, then a case against her should be registered with the Federal Board of Revenue (FBR). He added that a National Accountability Bureau (NAB) case does not apply in Gogi's case.

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Openly accusing Biden administration for the “conspiracy” to oust him shows his desperation. He has completely lost it and is probably aware of the fact that he will never become PM again so he feels he has nothing to lose at this stage.

Delusional PTI supporters can thump their chests over the scale of his jalsas all the want, but the fact is that the military will never allow a destructive loose cannon like him to become the PM again, especially when he harbors anti-U.S. views and has now reached a point where his relationship with the Pentagon seems to have reached a point of no return.

Imran’s hunger for power and desperation to hold onto his seat has forced him to say thing that he will regret big time. Someone needs to put a muzzle on him because he has no idea what he is doing or saying right now.

As far as the “conspiracy” is concerned, in spite of massive rigging in his favor in 2018, only 32% of the public voted for him. If the military and judiciary decided to be part of the “conspiracy” to remove someone who just got 32% of the vote, then it should be considered as a “good conspiracy”.

I'm so glad SS and Zardari are back in power. They can easily put the muzzle on IK. God knows he needs it.

Also, people say that SS and Zardari haven't taken any noteworthy steps in the past to fix Pak's economy. I say, so what? I just want things to remain the same; why should past performance be an indicator for the future anyway?

I'm also hoping for some aid and loans from the U.S. Fingers crossed!
 
IK is so desperate.... But why? Didn't politics teach him that sitting in opposition is also part of politics too.

Have never seen any opposition leader in India to make so much cry over losing sit. After a year, if people have confidence in you, you'll be back again anyway.
 
IK is so desperate.... But why? Didn't politics teach him that sitting in opposition is also part of politics too.

Have never seen any opposition leader in India to make so much cry over losing sit. After a year, if people have confidence in you, you'll be back again anyway.

That's called greed for power.
 
IK is so desperate.... But why? Didn't politics teach him that sitting in opposition is also part of politics too.

Have never seen any opposition leader in India to make so much cry over losing sit. After a year, if people have confidence in you, you'll be back again anyway.

How many leaders in India have been ousted due to a military or judicial coup?
 
How many leaders in India have been ousted due to a military or judicial coup?

That wasn't a judicial coup. IK was ousted according to Pakistan constitution. Had IK had majority MNAs, no other pillars of democracy could have stopped him from retaining the govt.
 
That wasn't a judicial coup. IK was ousted according to Pakistan constitution. Had IK had majority MNAs, no other pillars of democracy could have stopped him from retaining the govt.

My question was regarding India
 
My question was regarding India

So you are implying that this outrageous behavior of IK is related to what happened in the past and not how it was carried out when he was ousted? Are you referring to it as PTSD syndrome triggered paranoia?
 
So conspiracy denied by the Army and the NSC. And now a quote from defense analyst from fox is the evidence. How much can one man exploit the emotion and jahalat of the people !

If this was a conspiracy, IK govt should have summoned and dismissed the US ambassador. US which controls IMF has multiple ways to squeeze fledgling economy.

You've answered your own question there. You are on one hand saying that US can bend the IMF to squeeze fledgling foreign economies, then at the same time criticising IK's accusations that US engineered regime change in Pakistan. Ifg US is prepared to squeeze fledgling economies, why would they not use any means necesarry to remove regimes which are an obstruction to their aims?
 
So you are implying that this outrageous behavior of IK is related to what happened in the past and not how it was carried out when he was ousted? Are you referring to it as PTSD syndrome triggered paranoia?

A huge influx of Indian posters referring to Imran Khan's claims as outrageous/absurd/desperate etc only highlights their own bias against him, these are your opinions, and I am sorry but most neutrals will obviously regard your views as somewhat coloured by hindu nationalism.
 
A huge influx of Indian posters referring to Imran Khan's claims as outrageous/absurd/desperate etc only highlights their own bias against him, these are your opinions, and I am sorry but most neutrals will obviously regard your views as somewhat coloured by hindu nationalism.

Where did i state that it is a general opinion of the whole world?

I am writing it from my perspective so obviously it will be my own opinion only. I don't see what that has got to do with my post.
 
Following former prime minister Imran Khan’s remarks during an interview, Federal Minister for Information and Broadcasting Marriyum Aurangzeb urged him to give some “rest to his lies and tongue” on the occasion of Eidul Fitr.

Taking to her Twitter account, Aurangzeb wrote: “Imran sahib, for Allah’s sake let the people celebrate Eid as it is after four years that the people have got some relief from inflation.”


The federal minister asked the former premier to stop mourning his “failures, unfulfilled promises, corruption, and thefts on Eid as this would spoil the occasion for the 220 million people of the country.”

Aurangzeb suggested Khan say a few words of remorse for his lies and corruption before Allah on the day of acceptance of prayers.

“Please forgive everybody on the occasion of Eid,” she emphasised.

Earlier, during an interview with the private TV channel, Khan had once again reiterated that since the PTI-led government was toppled through a conspiracy, a commission must be formed under the chairmanship of the chief justice of Pakistan as he's the best person to oversee the probe.

He continued to blame the US for toppling his government, saying that the United States often instigates regime change for its benefit, not for the welfare of the countries involved.

GEO

She is only in the PMLN government as her mother used to be Nawaz's nurse.

Since PDM took over prices have skyrocketed and loadshedding has increased then she types this nonsense.

She committed slander against Shehzad Akbar then wastes tax payers money on spreading lies instead of being prosecuted due to Pakistan's compromised judicial system.
 
Someone here posted that the defence analyst accepting the vote of no confidence was foreign instigated is a Fox news host :)
 
Where did i state that it is a general opinion of the whole world?

I am writing it from my perspective so obviously it will be my own opinion only. I don't see what that has got to do with my post.

My observation was not just concerning your posts, if you read again you will see I referred to an influx of Indian posters with critical opinions of Imran's claims such as outrageous, absurd, desperate etc. My point being that they might not agree with his views, but their reasons for making such hostile judgements are obviously clouded by Indian nationalism.

Again - you are perfectly entitled to hold hostile opinions towards Imran Khan for whatever reasons, but I am also within my rights to comment on this trend.
 
My observation was not just concerning your posts, if you read again you will see I referred to an influx of Indian posters with critical opinions of Imran's claims such as outrageous, absurd, desperate etc. My point being that they might not agree with his views, but their reasons for making such hostile judgements are obviously clouded by Indian nationalism.

Again - you are perfectly entitled to hold hostile opinions towards Imran Khan for whatever reasons, but I am also within my rights to comment on this trend.

Then do state your opinion as neither me or any other is stopping you here. I don't even understand the point of you quoting me and then bring some generalisation based upon my post which was my personal view and then calling it as "my personal view".

Lets end this pointless discussion and get back to topic since you and I are both have same view that those points are my personal opinion.
 
IK is so desperate.... But why? Didn't politics teach him that sitting in opposition is also part of politics too.

Have never seen any opposition leader in India to make so much cry over losing sit. After a year, if people have confidence in you, you'll be back again anyway.

I will put forward my reasons for "why" you asked.

1. You quoted India as an example. So my counter question to you is when in Indian history it has happened when the largest party in the house is sitting in opposition? Also please note when I say largest I don't mean a difference of mere 1-5 seats we are talking about a whooping difference of close to 70 seats here. PTI has more seats than PMLN and PPP combined. So when I say the largest party its single largest representation of public in the house, full stop. Do let me know when last time such a thing happened in India.

2. When there is a shred of doubt that the internal proceedings of the house is impacted by external powers from outside of Pakistan then legitimacy of those proceedings are bought into question. Here PTI has ample observations and reasonings to question the involvement of US in internal matters of Pakistan. The simple resolution to this is thorough investigation of the matter by independent judiciary in open hearing to settle this debate and then the new government can continue to govern.

Given the reasonings above there is a legit reason for IK to be angry. The issue this time is that the public is equally angry as to what is happening in their country. Before the public takes matter of justice in their own hands and things get ugly this mistake should be rectified.
 
I will put forward my reasons for "why" you asked.

1. You quoted India as an example. So my counter question to you is when in Indian history it has happened when the largest party in the house is sitting in opposition? Also please note when I say largest I don't mean a difference of mere 1-5 seats we are talking about a whooping difference of close to 70 seats here. PTI has more seats than PMLN and PPP combined. So when I say the largest party its single largest representation of public in the house, full stop. Do let me know when last time such a thing happened in India.

2. When there is a shred of doubt that the internal proceedings of the house is impacted by external powers from outside of Pakistan then legitimacy of those proceedings are bought into question. Here PTI has ample observations and reasonings to question the involvement of US in internal matters of Pakistan. The simple resolution to this is thorough investigation of the matter by independent judiciary in open hearing to settle this debate and then the new government can continue to govern.

Given the reasonings above there is a legit reason for IK to be angry. The issue this time is that the public is equally angry as to what is happening in their country. Before the public takes matter of justice in their own hands and things get ugly this mistake should be rectified.

1. It does not matter what's the difference is as long as the coalition parties attains the majority in the parliament. If you get angry, that's your personal choice and personal matter. This isn't unconstitutional.

2. PTI and their supporters should respect the system (even if not the person in the chair). PTI or IK shouldn't be regarded as greater than Pakistan which on contrary I am seeing among PTI fans. Someone here even compared him with prophet.

The no confidence motion is done and dusted. IK is ousted. It's better to accept the reality and move on for next election.

IK is showing obsession and paranoia right now to the verge of triggering a civil war which he might not able to control..

Going by history, if these antics continues, then IK will he finished and the biggest cause of the downfall of him will be himself only.
 
Then do state your opinion as neither me or any other is stopping you here. I don't even understand the point of you quoting me and then bring some generalisation based upon my post which was my personal view and then calling it as "my personal view".

Lets end this pointless discussion and get back to topic since you and I are both have same view that those points are my personal opinion.

I have no wish to debate with Indian posters who describe Imran Khan as desperate, outrageous, absurd, paranoid etc, for reasons already given. No point in debating with people who come with a script prepared from a hostile and nationalistic angle.
 
I have no wish to debate with Indian posters who describe Imran Khan as desperate, outrageous, absurd, paranoid etc, for reasons already given. No point in debating with people who come with a script prepared from a hostile and nationalistic angle.

Its a bit counter productive argument when people believes that IK is above criticism.
 
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ISLAMABAD: Information Minister Marriyum Aurangzeb announced on Thursday that the government will form a commission to probe the alleged foreign conspiracy that led to PTI Chairman Imran Khan's ouster.

Talking about the commission, the federal minister said that the commission will be unbiased and will conduct an investigation independently.

"The head of the commission will be someone on whom no one will be able to point fingers at," she added.

Aurangzeb said that the cabinet will approve the terms of reference (TOR) of the inquiry commission in the next cabinet meeting. She further said that everything will be cleared once the report comes which will also be shown to the nation.

Calling the alleged foreign conspiracy a lie, Aurangzeb said this is to save former PM's wife Bushra Bibi's close aide Farhat Shehzadi aka Farah Khan. "This is Gogi bachao tehreek," she added.

GEO
 
Its a bit counter productive argument when people believes that IK is above criticism.

He's not above criticism, but when you use derogatory terms like absurd, paranoid, desperate, outrageous etc for a respected leader, then I don't count that as constructive criticism, I would call that baseless insults coming from an enemy perspective.
 
He's not above criticism, but when you use derogatory terms like absurd, paranoid, desperate, outrageous etc for a respected leader, then I don't count that as constructive criticism, I would call that baseless insults coming from an enemy perspective.

That's your prerogative. It isn't any of my concern though. Since it's not getting anywhere except creating useless noise in the forum, I propose let's stop it here in order to not to pollute the forum more.
 
That's your prerogative. It isn't any of my concern though. Since it's not getting anywhere except creating useless noise in the forum, I propose let's stop it here in order to not to pollute the forum more.

Agreed. I have made my point, no need to keep repeating it. Let's just leave it there.
 
1. It does not matter what's the difference is as long as the coalition parties attains the majority in the parliament. If you get angry, that's your personal choice and personal matter. This isn't unconstitutional.

2. PTI and their supporters should respect the system (even if not the person in the chair). PTI or IK shouldn't be regarded as greater than Pakistan which on contrary I am seeing among PTI fans. Someone here even compared him with prophet.

The no confidence motion is done and dusted. IK is ousted. It's better to accept the reality and move on for next election.

IK is showing obsession and paranoia right now to the verge of triggering a civil war which he might not able to control..

Going by history, if these antics continues, then IK will he finished and the biggest cause of the downfall of him will be himself only.

Horse trading is unconstitutional. SC interfering in Parliamentary affairs is unconstitutional. IK and awam has every right to be angry
 
LAHORE: The Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf leadership on Thursday opposed the government’s decision of forming a commission to probe whether there was a conspiracy to oust Imran Khan.

PTI leader Fawad Chaudhry said the party will only accept an independent judicial commission, which would hold in-camera sessions. They added they will not allow foreign powers to use the country’s basis and corridors for their interests.

Former information minister Fawad Chaudhry said the alleged conspiracy started when former prime minister Imran Khan said “Absolutely Not” and ended with his ousting.

He said bringing a government into power with the help of foreign countries is extremely concerning.

He asked what can be bigger than the breach of Pakistan’s sovereignty. He said that people will protest in Islamabad over it.

Fawad Chaudhry said that country’s economy is at a standstill, He said the prices are at a three-year high. He said power shortage is the major problem in the country.

He criticized the ruling coalition for not appointing an emergency as yet.

He said the call for the long march will be made after May 20. He said that the government is spending its final couple of weeks in power.

Information Minister Marriyum Aurangzeb, speaking about the formation of the commission, said an unbiased probe will take place.

The head of the commission will be someone at whom no one will be able to point fingers, Marriyum Aurangzeb added.

Aurangzeb said that the cabinet will approve the terms of reference (TOR) of the inquiry commission in the next cabinet meeting. She further said that everything will be cleared once the report comes which will also be shown to the nation.

ARY
 
1. It does not matter what's the difference is as long as the coalition parties attains the majority in the parliament. If you get angry, that's your personal choice and personal matter. This isn't unconstitutional.

2. PTI and their supporters should respect the system (even if not the person in the chair). PTI or IK shouldn't be regarded as greater than Pakistan which on contrary I am seeing among PTI fans. Someone here even compared him with prophet.

The no confidence motion is done and dusted. IK is ousted. It's better to accept the reality and move on for next election.

IK is showing obsession and paranoia right now to the verge of triggering a civil war which he might not able to control..

Going by history, if these antics continues, then IK will he finished and the biggest cause of the downfall of him will be himself only.

No point of argument back and forth when the root cause of the argument is where the difference lies. There are 2 ways to look at it. One is to look at it through lens you are looking at which is that NCM happened in constitutional manner and IK is ousted through internal domestic politics alone. Second view is to look at it from IK point of view which is that US interfered and influenced local domestic politicians to go against IK. If there is is differential in the root cause of the argument then there cannot be any debate.

The simple answer is you are entitled to your opinion which you have scribbled on here. Whilst I'm entitled to mine where I'm with IK's viewpoint like million others.
 
Expecting CJP to decide on judicial commission regarding 'foreign conspiracy' this week: Fawad

PTI's senior vice president Fawad Chaudhry said on Friday that he expected Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP) Umar Ata Bandial to take a decision this week regarding the formation of a judicial commission to investigate the party's claims of a "foreign conspiracy" behind former prime minister Imran Khan's ouster.

The PTI leader claimed that Information Minister Marriyum Aurangzeb, whom he called "misinformation", had accepted in her press conference yesterday that the cable — purportedly containing details of the "conspiracy" — was a "reality".

"[The incumbent government] said we will set up a commission of our choosing. We rejected it obviously," he said while addressing a press conference in Islamabad.

The PTI wanted a judicial commission instead, Chaudhry said, adding that he expected the CJP to take a decision in this regard this week.

At the start of his press conference, he claimed the incumbent government was hanging by a thread and the country's biggest province was facing an administrative crisis but nobody was concerned or willing to take responsibility.

The Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) had adjourned a hearing related to the disqualification of dissident PTI lawmakers till Tuesday and declared it would take decisions in time, he noted. However, there was a need to take immediate notice of the crisis in Punjab, he said, asking the ECP to not treat the case as "business as usual".

"You have fixed the hearing for Tuesday, hold it tomorrow instead. End this matter in Punjab," he urged.

He was referring to the prevailing political situation in the province where recently sworn-in Chief Minister Hamza Shehbaz had yet to announce his cabinet while Governor Omar Sarfraz Cheema has asked the army chief to take action against the "illegal, unconstitutional and counterfeit" CM.

Chaudhry noted that the Supreme Court would resume hearing the presidential reference seeking its interpretation of Article 63-A, related to the disqualification of lawmakers over defection, on May 9 and termed it a very positive step.

He appealed to the apex court to announce a concrete decision so it could be implemented. "I believe the sooner these decisions are announced, the sooner there will be political stability in Pakistan.

"In my opinion, Punjab's administrative crisis has risen above our shoulders and the Centre's administrative crisis is also increasing," he said.

The PTI had informed the Supreme Court that people were not being allowed to vote in Punjab, he said, claiming that as a result, Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif's government only had the support of 173 lawmakers.

"You need the consistent support of 172 people to remain the prime minister. According to the latest information I have, of the 173 [lawmakers supporting PM Shehbaz], three have refused to do so any further so the strength at the moment is 168 or 169. A minority government has been imposed."

As soon as the Supreme Court announces its decision, the coalition government would have to hold a vote of confidence, Chaudhry said, claiming that it did not have the required support of 172 lawmakers.

"I fully believe the Punjab government will be sent home before May 12 and the federal government before May 20. The public's rule will be restored in Pakistan. The people have to ultimately decide who will be in power and that will be done through elections," he said.

Second phase of rallies
Chaudhry also shared that PTI Chairman Imran would launch the second phase of rallies today from his hometown, Mianwali. The rallies would be held in different cities from May 6 to 20, he said, adding that Imran would announce the final date for the party's long march to Islamabad between May 20 and 29.

"All workers should prepare. A sea of people will be seen coming towards Islamabad. Such a big revolution has not been seen by anyone."

He said leaders of other parties had been questioning how long party workers would be able to sit out in the open in the searing heat, adding that it remained to be seen whether it was the PTI workers who would sit outside or those who were currently parliamentarians.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1688269/e...-regarding-foreign-conspiracy-this-week-fawad
 
Rejecting once again the government’s announcement of the formation of an inquiry commission on the ‘conspiracy letter’, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Vice Chairman Shah Mehmood Qureshi said on Friday, his party demanded a commission formed by the chief justice of Pakistan.

In a statement, Qureshi stressed that the PTI did not trust the present government because of its previous record. “We favour the commission but it must be formed by the chief justice of Pakistan and he should also set its TORs [terms of reference],” the former foreign minister said.

Qureshi criticised the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz leader Maryam Nawaz, saying that she even did not acknowledge a National Security Council (NSC) meeting convened by her party’s government. In the meeting, the point of view of the Pakistani ambassador concerned was also heard, he added.

“The PTI does not recognise the commission of this government. Its previous record is such that no one can trust the government,” he said. “We are in favour of the commission but that commission should be formed by the chief justice and he makes it TORs,” he added.

According to Qureshi, the PTI had already proposed seven-point TORs, which could be considered by the chief justice. “The formation of the commission [by the government] is a proof that there is a case that needs to be investigated.”

Qureshi said that people were listening to Imran Khan and acknowledging his narrative. “According to the government spokespersons, Imran Khan had lost his popularity but if that was the case, then how come a large number of people are coming to the PTI rallies,” he said.

Express Tribune
 
How it is a confession?

One is ousted because..... xyz reasons, that does not mean there was conspiracy. Analyst will always speculate and state what reasons could lead to some action.

Propaganda at its best.

This is what Shehbaz Sharif said last night while talking to journalists "Yes, the letter was threatening. Such threats have been made before"

Now i think it SHOULD answer to your repeated questions. Or else, you want Biden to come out in public on a national TV and accept his letter.
 
[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] [MENTION=140234]DRsohail[/MENTION]

Last night when Crime Minister met journalists.

"Yes, the letter was threatening. Such threats have been made before. I feel like I'm trapped. And don't take Maryam Nawaz's talk of General Faiz seriously, whatever she said, it was in the heat of moment"

And in the same interview, he said that we are going to take legal action against Imran Khan because he is trying to defame our Army and one of the journalist asked him that Imran Khan havent said anything about Army and he hasnt even taken any name of any Army officer, then how? :))

Shehbaz Sharif repeatedly said that I am trapped, I am trapped. God knows, what does it mean.

Source is media channels, its all public on news.

Detailed source is this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZecWpJAZwpA
 
[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] [MENTION=140234]DRsohail[/MENTION]

Last night when Crime Minister met journalists.

"Yes, the letter was threatening. Such threats have been made before. I feel like I'm trapped. And don't take Maryam Nawaz's talk of General Faiz seriously, whatever she said, it was in the heat of moment"

And in the same interview, he said that we are going to take legal action against Imran Khan because he is trying to defame our Army and one of the journalist asked him that Imran Khan havent said anything about Army and he hasnt even taken any name of any Army officer, then how? :))

Shehbaz Sharif repeatedly said that I am trapped, I am trapped. God knows, what does it mean.

Source is media channels, its all public on news.

Detailed source is this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZecWpJAZwpA

Haha he has been rightly trapped by people if pakistan.
 
ISLAMABAD: President Dr Arif Alvi has called for a thorough probe into the alleged regime change conspiracy by recording circumstantial evidence to reach a logical conclusion and provide clarity to Pakistanis, a statement issued by the president's secretariat said Tuesday.

According to the statement, the president wrote a letter to former prime minister Imran Khan, insisting that an investigation should be carried out into the matter.

He wrote that he had read the copy of the cypher sent by the then ambassador of Pakistan to the United States. The cypher contained an official summary of a meeting held in the Pakistan Embassy between Donald Lu, US Assistant Secretary of State, along with another US official, the Pakistani ambassador, a note-taker, and other diplomats of the Pakistan Mission.

The president added that the report in the cypher included some statements made by Lu in quotes specifically mentioning a "no-confidence motion" against the former PM, and also mentioned "forgiveness" if it succeeded, and "dire consequences" if the said motion failed.

In the letter, President Alvi referred to the two meetings of the National Security Committee (NSC) that had endorsed that statements made by Lu amounted to "unacceptable and blatant interference" in the internal affairs of Pakistan and its government had rightly issued a demarche.

The president also underscored that threats could both be covert and overt and in this particular case, it was clearly communicated in undiplomatic language. He noted that the PTI chairman had raised serious issues of possible covert reactions and ramifications of the threat.

The letter also said that the president was of the belief that for a sovereign nation and people, whose dignity had been deeply hurt, in-depth analysis and investigation must be carried out to inquire into what may or may not have been a preparation, starting before or following the overt threat, for a possible conspiracy to change Pakistan's regime.

Highlighting the history of Pakistan — when people had alleged and strongly believed in many obvious but unproven conspiracies — the president cited the examples of the murder of the first PM of Pakistan Shaheed Liaquat Ali Khan in Rawalpindi, the Agartala Conspiracy case, former PM Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto’s public waving of a letter and allegation of a conspiracy against him, former president Ziaul Haq’s plane crash, Ojheri disaster, Abbottabad Conspiracy case, and many others that remained inconclusive.

The president said: "Sometimes top-secret archives that were declassified after decades, or revelations by informed people, or documents that had emerged in ‘leaks’, did provide a ‘smoking gun’ kind of link to events and conspiracies on the world stage."

He regretted that it happened much later, after the destinies of those countries had been significantly damaged by such illegal interventions.

President Alvi also emphasised that proving a "smoking gun" had been identified ‘in the hand of a conspirator’, or finding a possible money trail or identifying meetings where people had been motivated towards covert action or where people had been bought and sold, would be a vigorous exercise. He stated that even recorded circumstantial evidence could lead the way towards some conclusions and provide closure to the people of Pakistan who deserved clarity.

Underscoring the need for a full investigation into the matter, he informed Imran Khan that he was sending his letter to Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif as well as to Chief Justice of Pakistan Umar Ata Bandial, requesting that the latter may constitute an empowered Judicial Commission to conduct open hearings in this regard.

GEO
 
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President Dr Arif Alvi on Thursday penned a letter to Chief Justice of Pakistan Umar Ata Bandial, urging him to constitute a judicial commission to investigate the "regime change conspiracy", which former prime minister Imran Khan claims was behind his ouster from the top office.

The letter from the president to the top judge comes less than two weeks after Imran wrote a similar letter to the president and CJP Bandial, requesting a public inquiry as well as the formation of a judicial commission to probe the "threat letter".

In his letter today, Dr Alvi suggested to the CJP that the proposed judicial commission should preferably be headed by him and must conduct open hearings to "thoroughly probe the allegations of regime change conspiracy to avert a political and economic crisis in the country".

The president said the world had seen myriad examples of "regime change" where operations were conducted through conspiracies to change a particular government and such plots were later confirmed by the declassification of top-secret documents.


He lamented that disclosures were made only when the destinies of those countries had been "significantly damaged by illegal interventions".

Emphasising the importance of the commission, the president warned that a serious political crisis was looming in Pakistan, saying major polarisation was also taking place in politics as well as among the people of Pakistan in the wake of recent events.

He stressed that it was the collective duty of all institutions to make utmost efforts to avert damaging consequences to the country and prevent further deterioration.

"It is regrettable that random comments are being quoted out of context, misunderstandings are fuelling, opportunities are being lost, confusions not dying down, and with the economy also in crisis, while the situation on the ground is approaching a political powder keg that may ignite at any time," he said in the letter.

Dr Alvi pointed out that the Supreme Court had taken such initiatives in the past to constitute judicial commissions in matters of national security, integrity, sovereignty and public interest.

“A judicial commission, headed by [former] chief justice Nasir ul Mulk and two judges of the top court, inquired into rigging allegations in 2013 elections. Similarly, judicial commissions were also formed to investigate the Memogate matter, and moreover, a judicial commission is also currently functional for missing persons, that is headed by a sitting judge”, he observed.

He cited press reports as saying that the prime minister had also expressed his desire for a commission.

The president said the nation held the Supreme Court in high regard and "expects it to meet the expectations". He added that the commission should investigate the matter "based not only on technicalities of law, but in the real spirit of justice".

Dr Alvi said a judicial commission would be a "great service to the country as people deserved clarity on the matter".

“Who knows better than your Honour that to prove, that a 'smoking gun' has been identified in the hand of a conspirator, or to find a possible money trail, or to identify meetings where people have been motivated towards cover action, or where people have been bought and sold, could be a vigorous exercise”, he added.

The president noted that he was of the strong opinion that "even recorded circumstantial evidence" could lead to some conclusions based not on technicalities of law but in the real spirit of justice.

He cited incidents such as the murder of former prime minister Shaheed Liaquat Ali Khan, the Agartala Conspiracy case, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto’s public waving of a letter and allegation of a conspiracy against him, President Ziaul Haq’s plane crash, Abbottabad incident and many others that, he said, remained inconclusive.

He regretted that people had alleged and strongly believed in such obvious but "unfortunately" unproven conspiracies.

Dr Alvi requested that the proposed judicial commission should conduct an in-depth and thorough investigation into the regime change conspiracy.

Regime change conspiracy: How it all unfolded
The controversy surrounding the no-confidence motion against the former premier Imran Khan took a dramatic turn when the embattled PM brandished a letter at a rally on March 27 — days before his ouster — claiming it contained evidence of a "foreign conspiracy" hatched to topple his government.

Imran had kept mum about the contents of the letter when he first unveiled it but he spilled the beans days later by naming the United States when the exit of his government appeared imminent.

Imran's allegation that the US spearheaded his exit from power was based on a cable received from Pakistan's Ambassador to the US, Asad Majeed, in which the envoy had reported about a meeting with Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Affairs Donald Lu.

Majeed had reportedly said that Donald Lu warned that Imran Khan’s continuation in office, who was set to face a vote of no confidence, would have repercussions on bilateral relations. The US was said to be annoyed with Imran over his "independent foreign policy" and visit to Moscow.

The Pentagon and the State Department have repeatedly rejected the accusations, saying there was no veracity to it.

The National Security Committee (NSC), which includes all services chiefs as well as the head of Pakistan's top intelligence agency, took up the matter on March 31 with then premier Imran Khan in the chair. The forum decided to issue a "strong demarche" to a country that it did not name over what it termed as “blatant interference in the internal affairs of Pakistan”.

It had also termed the interference "unacceptable under any circumstances" and said the language used in the communique was undiplomatic.

While the forum had stopped short of calling the interference a conspiracy at the time, another meeting of the NSC was held on April 22 with newly elected premier Shehbaz Sharif in the chair, and which included the same military chiefs who attended the March 31 session.

During its second meeting, the NSC statement said it “reaffirmed the decisions of the last NSC meeting” and explicitly went on to add that it found no evidence of a foreign conspiracy.
 
<b>Ready to die but won’t accept ‘govt of slaves, thieves:’ Imran</b>

<I>Those who could have foiled foreign conspiracy did not act, laments former PM</I>

Former prime minister and PTI Chairman Imran Khan has said that he is ready to go to jail or could even sacrifice his life for “real freedom” of the country but will not accept the incumbent government led by “slaves of US and thieves”.

“I will not accept this government of slaves and thieves till I am alive... I will not bow down before anyone nor will let my people be a slave to anyone,” he said while addressing a rally in Punjab’s Okara district on Thursday.

The anti-government public gathering was part of his party’s ongoing campaign to pile pressure on the PML-N-led government to call early elections.

The deposed premier has time and again claimed that a “foreign plot” was hatched to topple his government over his refusal to have Pakistan’s foreign policy be influenced by others.

Since his ouster, he has held public rallies in major cities of the country and announced that he would give a call for a long march to Islamabad after May 20.

Imran reiterated his allegations that foreign conspiracy was behind his ouster from power, saying: “Not America but Biden administration conspired with ‘three stooges’ to topple my government”.

“This is a decisive moment for our country to decide whether we want to live in an independent country or remain a slave of the US,” he said while asking his supporters to participate in the long march to Islamabad to achieve the “real freedom”.

“I am asking the courageous youth to participate in the war for real freedom… like people participated for the independence of Pakistan in 1947.”

Hitting out at his political opponents, Imran said the coalition government led by Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif came into power to end the accountability process and get relief in corruption cases.

“One brother hurl abuses at the army while another polishes boot,” said the PTI chief referring to the Sharif brothers.

“This is a sign of the day of judgement that a man like Asif Ali Zardari speaks about reforming NAB [National Accountability Bureau.”

The PTI chief also referred to the reports that the FIA had decided not to pursue the money laundering case against PM Shehbaz and his son saying such steps will put the country on the path of destruction.

Imran said his government was toppled at a time when he rescued the country from bankruptcy and the country’s economy he said was growing.

Without naming anyone, Imran said he informed those who were supposed to foil ‘foreign conspiracy’ against his government.

“I told those who could have stopped this conspiracy… told them that economy would suffer if the conspiracy is succeeded and [then finance minister] Shaukat Tarin also told them but unfortunately we could not do anything,” he lamented.

“What was our fault? We improved exports, our tax revenues, our industry was growing, our economy was improving and yet we faced a conspiracy,” he remarked.

Imran said he will give a call for a long march after May 20 and asked the people to participate in the protest without any fear. “No one should have any fear. We will protest against these corrupt people."

The PTI has finalised its plan and strategies to lead out its anti-government long march and to draw a deluge of protestors from across the country to Islamabad and block the routes leading to and from the capital, sources privy to the plans said.

“As soon as the call for the long march is announced, various cities will be jammed,” the sources shared and added the points of convergence have also been determined for the demonstrators to bring the city to halt.

His first anti-government roadshow on April 13 in the centre of his party’s political power, Peshawar, saw a big turnout where Imran announced his plan to continue protesting against the newly-installed government until fresh elections were held.

He termed the newly-formed set up an “imported government” and lashed out at Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif, saying the “decisive moment” had come for the people to decide if they wanted “slavery or liberty”.

Meanwhile, senior PTI leader Fawad Chaudhry said in a video statement that Imran Khan will make an important announcement in today’s power show.

“Millions of people are ready to come to Islamabad for the real freedom march,” he added.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2356289/ready-to-die-but-wont-accept-govt-of-slaves-thieves-imran
 
PTI leader and former human rights minister Shireen Mazari on Friday said that "now everyone knows the neutrals were not actually neutral," and went on to question whether they were "part of the conspiracy to derail Pakistan on the economic and democratic front".

The word neutral is a reference to the military, which has consistently claimed it is neutral as the country goes through political upheaval since the filing of the no-confidence motion against former premier Imran Khan on March 8.

In a press conference in Islamabad today, Mazari minced no words in her criticism of America and "those who supported it" to allegedly topple the PTI government.

Her presser came after a tweet by former PM Imran Khan earlier in the day in which he claimed that he and former finance minister Shaukat Tarin had warned the "neutrals" that the "fragile economic recovery would go into a tailspin" if the conspiracy against the PTI government succeeded.

In her press talk, Mazari said the neutrality of "neutrals" was now largely being questioned.

"The group of thieves and crime minister who are now in power had an agenda to quash all cases against them. But what were the neutrals thinking when they allowed such a conspiracy to succeed?" she asked.

She said that a cypher was received on March 7 and the no-confidence motion was tabled a day after it. "Later, our allies approached the Sindh House and opposition leaders, while one minority dissident lawmaker was living in a rest house belonging to neutrals."

Mazari asked how one could stay neutral when the country was facing destruction.

She said a glance at the bigger picture would reveal everything, asserting that the nation was now standing against the "regime change conspiracy".

Warning "local abettors" of consequences, the former minister said Imran would announce a date for a march on Islamabad after May 20, and "when people take to the streets, then everyone will understand that this nation cannot be made a slave."

She also questioned whether "neutrals" wanted Pakistan to recognise Israel. "Do they want a foreign policy in which there is no freedom?"

The PTI leader also expressed surprise at the Supreme Court for "giving an exact date and time for the National Assembly to take up the no-confidence motion" that ultimately saw Imran losing his office.

Earlier, she explained that the conspiracy had begun when then-prime minister Imran refused to give military bases to the US and during an interview he had said "absolutely not" to the question of providing bases. The premier's comments had come after the US national security adviser in his briefing in June 2021 said they were having constructive dialogue with the Pakistani military regarding US bases, she said.

Also read: 'Absolutely not', says Imran on US actions from Pakistan

However, Imran refused to provide bases with a categoric intent that Pakistan's sovereignty should never be compromised, she added.

Shortly after it, according to Mazari, the US consul general in Lahore met Maryam and Shehbaz separately. "Subsequently, American diplomats held a lot of meetings."

She then referred to the cypher sent by Pakistan's envoy in the US, which she said stated: "If prime minister Imran Khan remains in power, he will be isolated from the US, Europe and we will take the issue head-on. And, if the vote of no confidence succeeds, then everything will be forgiven."

The former minister also hit out at Interior Minister Rana Sanaullah for "threatening" the PTI, saying everyone including the "neutrals" had realised how big a mistake it was to pave the way for regime change under a "US conspiracy".

She said the economic problems faced by Pakistan were a result of "thieves" being imposed on the country.

She said the economy had suffered the most in the wake of the conspiracy. "The rupee is depreciating, prices of edibles are rising, our reserves are declining, fuel prices are also on the up, and IMF has made its conditions clear regarding price hike."

Mazari said Imran's visit to Russia was the final nail in the coffin [for the PTI government]. She said all stakeholders including the "establishment" had a consensus on Imran's trip because his visit was aimed at securing deals for cheap oil and wheat.

"Had those who facilitated the conspiracy thought about its economic repercussions?" she asked.

The former minister said there was no law and order after the new government took charge. "Maryam Nawaz who is convicted is given state-level security while the security given to former PM Imran has been withdrawn."

Terming the new government's leaders "robbers", Mazari said the government was attempting to get all cases against its leaders quashed.

She also called out the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP), saying several PTI lawmakers defected to other parties in clear violation of the Constitution but "the ECP is silent on it".

She demanded the resignation of the chief election commissioner, calling him a "part of the PML-N".

The PTI leader said the incumbent government was appointing a trade officer in the mission in New Delhi, despite knowing about the atrocities committed by India in occupied Kashmir.

She claimed enforced disappearances of Baloch students had increased after the PTI government was toppled, adding that no one from the ruling party met the affected families.

Mazari also hit out at the former law minister Farogh Naseem for allegedly blocking the passage of legislation on missing persons.

'Foreign conspiracy'
Ever since his ouster through a no-confidence vote in the National Assembly, Imran has dismissed the Shehbaz government, terming it "imported" and has launched a campaign, claiming that his government was ousted by a "foreign conspiracy".

To back his claim, Imran has continuously referred to a cable sent by Pakistan's former ambassador to the US, Asad Majeed, which he said contains evidence of the conspiracy to topple his government.

The former PM said the "threatening cable" was received from the ambassador on March 7, a day before the opposition officially filed the no-trust move against him, which he says serves as evidence of the conspiracy.

“How could they know about the no-confidence motion even before it was filed?” Imran has asked charged supporters in several public rallies in the past few weeks, adding that local abettors colluded with their “foreign sponsors” to make the alleged conspiracy successful.

In one of his addresses, Imran said the cable carried details of the ambassador’s meeting with US Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Affairs Donald Lu in which the latter allegedly threatened Pakistan.

Majeed, in the cable, reportedly said that Lu warned that Imran's continuation as the prime minister would have repercussions for bilateral relations. The US, Imran claimed, was annoyed with his "independent foreign policy" and visit to Moscow.

It was on the basis of this cable, which he saw as evidence of a conspiracy to oust Imran, that the National Assembly Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri gave a ruling to dismiss the no-trust move against the then premier on April 3, when voting on the resolution was set to take place, terming the motion contradictory to Article 5 of the Constitution, which mandates loyalty to the state for all citizens.

Suri's ruling was subsequently voided by the Supreme Court and voting on the no-trust resolution finally took place on April 10, as a result of which Imran was removed as prime minister.

So far two National Security Committee meetings, which were attended by the country's military and intelligence chiefs as well as the civilian leadership, have reviewed the contents of the cable and termed it "blatant interference in the internal affairs of Pakistan" and "unacceptable under any circumstances".

While the first NSC meeting, which was chaired by then premier Imran Khan on March 31, stopped short of terming the cable a "conspiracy" against his government, it had not issued an explicit denial of the conspiracy either.

However, after the second meeting of the NSC was held on April 22 under Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and which included the same military chiefs who attended the first meeting, a statement was issued which "reaffirmed the decisions of the last NSC meeting" but added that it "found no evidence of any conspiracy" against the PTI government.

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PTI Chairman Imran Khan on Monday called on the United States for dismissing Donald Lu, assistant secretary of state for South and Central Asian Affairs, for "bad manners and sheer arrogance as he "threatened" Pakistan.

In an interview with CNN, Khan said the US diplomat told Pakistan's ambassador that unless "you get Imran Khan removed in a vote of no-confidence — which was not tabled but he seemed to know about it — Pakistan will suffer consequences".

"And then goes on to say, of course, if you get rid of him through the vote of no-confidence, all will be forgiven — such arrogance [...] by the way Becky, this guy should be sacked for bad manners and sheer arrogance," Khan told CNN's Becky Anderson.

The PTI chairman said he presented the cypher before the federal cabinet, the National Security Council (NSC), as it was a "blatant interference in Pakistan's affairs".

When asked whether he got in touch with US President Joe Biden or other officials, Khan said the NSC had decided to issue a demarche and protest to the US in Pakistan as well.

He mentioned that President Arif Alvi had also asked Chief Justice of Pakistan Umar Ata Bandial to hold an inquiry into the matter.

Biden administration never got in touch with me: Imran Khan
In a response to a question, Khan said he had a "perfectly good" relationship with the Donald Trump administration, and it was only when Joe Biden came into power that the relations became strained.

"... for some reason, which I still don't know, they (Biden administration) never got in touch with me; there was no US ambassador in Pakistan, I had no idea," Khan said.

The PTI chairman noted that his first priority was the people of Pakistan, and he aspired to import oil from Russia, but for "some reason, this was used against me as if I was being anti-US".

Giving reasons as to why he believes Washington was behind the regime change, Khan said that the US embassy was calling members of his party, "some of the backbenchers", who were not happy. "Why were they meeting them?" he questioned, adding that they were the first ones who then jumped ships.

"Why would the US embassy be interested in the backbenchers of our party?" he said.

Replying to a question regarding the current government being an "American replant", Khan said: "It's with their blessing [...] we all call them imported government but the worst thing is they are a bunch of criminals. 60% of the cabinet is on bail."

Regarding him being in Moscow on the day when Russia announced war in Ukraine, the former premier reiterated that his visit was planned a long time back and all the stakeholders in Pakistan were on board — the military wanted a hard way from the Russians, the government wanted oil — hence, everything was planned a long time ago.

"How would I know that the day I land in Moscow, President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin would decide to go into Ukraine.

"I would regret the trip to Russia if we had known about the invasion and then I [had] gone in because I do not believe in military solutions," he said in reply to a question about whether he regretted his trip to Russia or not.

"I do not believe in military solutions and I have opposed all military ways of achieving political ends," he said.

Speaking about the next elections: "Whenever the next elections take place not only we will run but I can predict right now that this will become the biggest party in Pakistan's history because the people are so incensed and feel insulted that these criminals are being forced on his who have been plundering the country for 30 years.

"There is anger in Pakistan and unfortunately because of this becoming public [...] there is anti-Americanism. When unpopular governments are fostered on the people the resentment then goes to the US. And unfortunately yes there is anti-Americanism in Pakistan," the former prime minister said.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/418544-in...ack-donald-lu-for-bad-manners-sheer-arrogance
 
Great. So Donald Lu should be dismissed when IK didn’t dismiss the US ambassador in his country.
 
Kaptaan gave one of his best interviews. No holds barred and gave the American a mirror to their duplicity and hypocrisy.
 
Came across this excellent video analysis by a Pak reporter by the name of Syed Muzammil

 
Came across this excellent video analysis by a Pak reporter by the name of Syed Muzammil


Anything in there of note that you would like to mention?

No point adding a video without a summary of what you heard on it.
 
Anything in there of note that you would like to mention?

No point adding a video without a summary of what you heard on it.

I would say what Syed concludes is that Imran or no Imran, this is no longer the question. Question is role of army and establishment in Pakistani politics. Historically all the PMs have been propped up and later removed by the establishment. So there was never really any democracy. Only a charade replacing pets of establishment.

Syed Muzammil is one of sharpest observers from Pakistan. He shows the value of critical thinking which is so lacking in sub continent.
 
I would say what Syed concludes is that Imran or no Imran, this is no longer the question. Question is role of army and establishment in Pakistani politics. Historically all the PMs have been propped up and later removed by the establishment. So there was never really any democracy. Only a charade replacing pets of establishment.

Syed Muzammil is one of sharpest observers from Pakistan. He shows the value of critical thinking which is so lacking in sub continent.

very true, Let me watch the video then. Thanks for the summary.
 
Came across this excellent video analysis by a Pak reporter by the name of Syed Muzammil


A very good video ,with good points but he looks too one sided.
He thinks what happened in Sindh house was not a big deal as their vote was not needed but he forgets that those things were important to get allies on their side.

He praises Vajpayi but forgets to say Vajpayi was ousted by not locking MNAs in sindh house .

Why was there no Investigation about the letter on the basis of which ruling did happen? A thorough investigation would have made it clear and imran,s narrative would have been dusted forever.
As the video is 40 days old so let me tell you this tohsha khana wala thing has been explained by IK and when he said to go for record of 15 years ,after that there is complete silence.
Foreign funding case?? what/I think he has to know more about that.
Sugar corruption, I have to partially agree but again JKT is no more in PTI and we know why it happened.
Last but mot important thing that IK has shown his street power which he thought he will not be able to do as the video has been posted on 10th April.
 
A very good video ,with good points but he looks too one sided.
He thinks what happened in Sindh house was not a big deal as their vote was not needed but he forgets that those things were important to get allies on their side.

He praises Vajpayi but forgets to say Vajpayi was ousted by not locking MNAs in sindh house .

Why was there no Investigation about the letter on the basis of which ruling did happen? A thorough investigation would have made it clear and imran,s narrative would have been dusted forever.
As the video is 40 days old so let me tell you this tohsha khana wala thing has been explained by IK and when he said to go for record of 15 years ,after that there is complete silence.
Foreign funding case?? what/I think he has to know more about that.
Sugar corruption, I have to partially agree but again JKT is no more in PTI and we know why it happened.
Last but mot important thing that IK has shown his street power which he thought he will not be able to do as the video has been posted on 10th April.

About the letter, it such a frivolous allegation, that everyone can see through. It's good political gimmick to capture the imagination of an emotional nation. Seige mentality always helps to galvanize. Interestingly he made a video on that letter too.

https://youtu.be/sj-Vbf78v2Y
 
About the letter, it such a frivolous allegation, that everyone can see through. It's good political gimmick to capture the imagination of an emotional nation. Seige mentality always helps to galvanize. Interestingly he made a video on that letter too.

https://youtu.be/sj-Vbf78v2Y

That's what I am saying though even if I don't believe in conspiracy theory but why did they not set an inquiry commission and made it crystal and clear?? . For me to understand him well I will go through his videos in the past too. Anyways I liked his points that why Balochs have been involved and many anti-state activities .
 
That's what I am saying though even if I don't believe in conspiracy theory but why did they not set an inquiry commission and made it crystal and clear?? . For me to understand him well I will go through his videos in the past too. Anyways I liked his points that why Balochs have been involved and many anti-state activities .

To my mind, and I am not certified mind reader, my sense is that an inquiry into propoganda or narrative is not a good political move. 1) You are giving oxygen to something that will die on its own if you just let it be. It has no foundational basis. 2) Usually such ideas can never be quashed by commissions. A conspiracy theorist will always find new unique ways of finding conspiracy in the inquiry. So Imran would say I don't trust the panel. I will only accept the ruling if it has neutral panel like my "neutral" speaker.

Astute political observers know that Imran is not Anti American or even believes this non sense. This is his way to pressurize those who cannot be directly attacked and those who are close to America. It his way to force them out of neutrality. And they know it.
 
To my mind, and I am not certified mind reader, my sense is that an inquiry into propoganda or narrative is not a good political move. 1) You are giving oxygen to something that will die on its own if you just let it be. It has no foundational basis. 2) Usually such ideas can never be quashed by commissions. A conspiracy theorist will always find new unique ways of finding conspiracy in the inquiry. So Imran would say I don't trust the panel. I will only accept the ruling if it has neutral panel like my "neutral" speaker.

Astute political observers know that Imran is not Anti American or even believes this non sense. This is his way to pressurize those who cannot be directly attacked and those who are close to America. It his way to force them out of neutrality. And they know it.

If it was dying out according to them then they have to face the music. IK even without that narrative would have great support I believe. You cant send the biggest party of the country to go home and sit silently. A very big blunder by PDM and its handlers.
 
If it was dying out according to them then they have to face the music. IK even without that narrative would have great support I believe. You cant send the biggest party of the country to go home and sit silently. A very big blunder by PDM and its handlers.

He can have any kind of support. But the rulers of the country will decide whom they want. Even Bhutto was shown his place. It's not about PDM or PTI. Rulers, elites and their interest decide who get to be figure head. People are just foolish to fall for this non sense again and again.
 
He can have any kind of support. But the rulers of the country will decide whom they want. Even Bhutto was shown his place. It's not about PDM or PTI. Rulers, elites and their interest decide who get to be figure head. People are just foolish to fall for this non sense again and again.

So it means IK has to do nothing nor the public and we will sit and see what the thugs and criminals decide about our future. Even if someone has iota of self respect and cares about this country they will not accept these thugs.
 
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