The Middle East Crisis

^ I think in May, UN alleged that Rebels used CW. At the time probably US wasnt ready to strike hence didnt blame Assad...
But its pathetic, whoever is using it
 
Gerald Kaufman - ''I saw the effect of Israel use white phosphorus in Gaza, but they get away with it because they are considered to be on the same side of civilised opinion. There is selectivity all the way through. I do not trust Western opinion on what happens in the Middle East and North Africa''.

Gotta love Kaufman for speaking the truth.
I just posted this in the other thread.
In the Commons debate today (still ongoing at this moment), David Cameron said something along the lines of, when asked what if Russia uses its veto in the Security Council, if one country uses it's veto to prevent action that the rest agree upon, then it is quite reasonable for the 'international community' to ignore that veto and take action, or words to that affect.

George Galloway has just said, in the same debate, that the UK govt. does not appear to take the same view when it's the US using its veto to prevent any criticism, never mind action, when its against Israel.
 
Veto power ought to be scrapped at the UN, its hardly the 'united nations' when one, more powerful country is able to override the votes of hundreds of countries, especially in the case of the US-Israel vetos.

From the BBC:
Daniel M Perrine, Baltimore, Maryland, USA emails: As a US citizen, I have watched entranced at the intelligent, disciplined arguments from all sides of this issue, carried out in the House of Commons.

Judging from Twitter it seems foreigners are rather impressed by the debate on Syria right now in Westminster. Makes a change from the smears, the lobbying and the scandals that is entrenched in US politics. Granted it happens in the UK but not on the scale as the US where any criticism or opinion means you are labelled as a socialist/communist/anti-Semitic and the usual slurs.

Been a good debate so far, apart from the establishment anoraks, been a good mix of for and against arguments for Syria action by the UK MPs.
 
John Baron, Conservative MP: There are atrocities being committed on BOTH sides.
 
John Baron speaking clearly and right to call for a calm response based on evidence and to allow UN to report back. Wants more humanitarian efforts. Iran must not be ignored in talks, it is a key regional player.

This guy voted against the Iraq and Libyan war and is no party puppet. Really good speech from him.
 
This is how some Muslims outraged at the chemical attacks are acting :

Q: So what it the proof Assad used the weapons
A: Proof? Everyone knows he did it

Q: How can everyone know he did it?
A: Because he is evil

Q: But could it not have been someone else as the rebels benefit from it while the regime does not
A: You are sympathizing with a vile Rafidah, Nusayri Pagan Shia and you will go to Hell just like him

Good one :)
 
Just emailed my MP urging her to vote against strikes unless there is a UN Resolution.
 
Just emailed my MP urging her to vote against strikes unless there is a UN Resolution.

Have emailing MPS and expressing your opinion which could be against what they may have decided to say in parliament ever worked? or does the MP's decision get influenced/affected by the Emails he get? Curious.
 
Have emailing MPS and expressing your opinion which could be against what they may have decided to say in parliament ever worked? or does the MP's decision get influenced/affected by the Emails he get? Curious.
Yep they've done U-turns over a bunch of things when there's been a public campaign against MPs, especially environmental/community based issues. And 1 million did march against the war in Iraq in 2003 which is one of the biggest protests ever in the UK.

American reactions on Twitter to the Syria debate:

Tom T. ‏@VRWCTexan 19m
.@johnboehner America's Asking - When are you, as House Speaker, going to re-call the House to DC to debate & vote on Syria? Use your power.

David ‏@d_starman 3h
If UK parliament is having a Debate
On Syria
What the hell is Congress doing
Where is the leadership in WashDC
Has America made up its mind?

Aaron Moore ‏@AaronMooreUSA 4h
I love America, but the House of Commons is democracy at work! The debate on Syria was a pleasure to watch.

Stephen Miles ‏@SPMiles42 4h
Watching the House of Commons debate on #syria on @cspan2. Simply amazing! Wish America had 1/10th this much debate...
 
:))) Basically the gist of the debate is this - MP after MP is rejecting calls for military action in Syria.

If the British government lose this vote then I cannot see the strikes going ahead unless the US go ahead unilaterally and the UN come out with a damning report.

Let's separate the wheat from the chaff, this isn't a free vote so let's see who will risk their job to stand up for their principles, let's see the careerist MPs and those listening to their voters who are oppose any intervention.
 
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Yep they've done U-turns over a bunch of things when there's been a public campaign against MPs, especially environmental/community based issues. And 1 million did march against the war in Iraq in 2003 which is one of the biggest protests ever in the UK.

American reactions on Twitter to the Syria debate:

Thank you for the enlightening post.

I reckon, 1 Million march the largest ever in the history of UK couldn't overturn the decision regarding the Iraq invasion they had made, Now the plans are being discussed to invade Syria on a humanity basis for which I don't see abound protests of people other than possible emails expressing disapproval. How can these debates impede their plans on Syria?
 
As has been said many times in the Commons debate today, why would the Assad regime use chemical weapons against their own civilians if they know that it will generate a response from the West, strengthen the hands of the rebels and ultimately lead to the downfall of the Assad regime?

Even assuming that it was the Assad regime, then, bearing the point above, it can only be for one of two reasons:

1. Assad and his regime are irrational and running wild.
or
2. It was some rogue commanders who used them without Assad's authority.

Asssuming it was (1) above, and since by attacking Syria we are declaring war on Syria, in which Syria would be well within its right to retaliate, directly or indirectly, against those that attacked it, what's to stop him from using them against the West's allies like Israel and Saudi Arabia or British interests in Cyprus?
To those that may respond by saying, No the Syrians will not retaliate as Assad knows his regime will be wiped out, the counter response will be, hey, he's irrational and someone irrational will do anything, as shown by this suicidal act of gassing his own people and inviting an attack from the West.

If it was (2) above, then by attacking Assad's Command and Control infrastructure (which appears to be Obama's military plan), it will weaken the Assad regimes central authority and making it more likely for rogue commanders to 'do their own thing', including further use of chemical weapons or even attcking Israel, Saudi or jordan, in order to drag them into the conflict.
 
Cameron said earlier that they are "not 100%" that Assad used chemical weapons ! Nor are they publishing the intelligence reports.

You could make a headline of a newspaper or news bulletin of this saying but media will ignore it.

It is ridiculous how people don't see the propaganda of Zionist controlled media.
 
:))) Basically the gist of the debate is this - MP after MP is rejecting calls for military action in Syria.

If the British government lose this vote then I cannot see the strikes going ahead unless the US go ahead unilaterally and the UN come out with a damning report.

Let's separate the wheat from the chaff, this isn't a free vote so let's see who will risk their job to stand up for their principles, let's see the careerist MPs and those listening to their voters who are oppose any intervention.
More than half the Liberal and Conservative MP's are govt. ministers, junior ministors, whips, ministerial assistants etc., who have no choice but to vote with the govt. motion or lose their jobs.
Of the remaining, most of them have aspirations of swopping positions with those mentioned above.
 
More than half the Liberal and Conservative MP's are govt. ministers, junior ministors, whips, ministerial assistants etc., who have no choice but to vote with the govt. motion or lose their jobs.
Of the remaining, most of them have aspirations of swopping positions with those mentioned above.

The coalition is such a game changer, governments cannot get an easy majority plus the increasingly rebellious backbenchers are more willing to defy the government whip nowadays. This vote at 10pm is going to be very, very close.

Labour's shadow transport spokesman Jim Fitzpatrick has resigned, opposing military intervention altogether.
 
British Parliament voting on Syrian intervention now.

Labour amendment rejected 332-220, now the government motion to be voted on.
 
Huge news, Britain's parliament votes AGAINST military intervention in Syria as it stands.

285-272
 
UK Prime Minister David Cameron tells MPs: "It's clear to me that the British parliament and the British people do not wish to see military action; I get that, and I will act accordingly."
 
Cameron looked about to cry :)))

Showed great maturity by many MP's by not voting on party lines, as neither Labour nor government motion passed. Lib Dems might as well merge with the Tories now
 
Does, "Act accordingly" implies that Military against Syria is no longer an option they can opt?
 
Spent a large part of the day listening to the debate on BBC Parliament. Some great speeches by MP's opposed to the war, especially from Conservative MP's.

Bravo to those Conservative and Liberal MP's who defied their own whip.

British democracy in action. A proud day for the citizens of Britain.
 
Now that push is coming to shove, most of the politicians see that there is huge lack of support for getting involved in this civil war. Obama has put himself in a very difficult position now. He has to go ahead without his No.1 ally, and with probably a ton of opposition from the US public.
 
David had better respect our wishes. Nobody wants this war except from the US and a few other nutcases on twitter.
 
I cannot believe the government motion failed. How much killing do we all have to watch before we decide to take action? The reality is that Asad is no better than Hitler. Granted that, unlike Hitler, Asad posses no direct military threat to the UK. It does not change the fact however that the world would have been an unrecognisable today had nobody stood up to Hitler. What sort of message does this give to the dictators of the world?

The fact of the matter is that the measures proposed by Cameron and Obama are weak. There isn't even the intention to overthrow Asad. The measures were watered down to make them acceptable to even the most reluctant observer but the fact that this has been rejected is just morally appalling. Asad probably feels like he's never been more powerful.
 
David had better respect our wishes. Nobody wants this war except from the US and a few other nutcases on twitter.

Well the people in the US don't want this war either. Support for any intervention is very negative. People remember Iraq, and there are too many problems domestically for them to see their taxmoney being spent supporting a bunch of fellas that eat hearts and livers and forbid killing lice in beards.

Obama doesn't want this war either - he is the Avoider In Chief. Unfortunately he painted himself into a corner with his red line a year ago and now if he doesn't do anything it will look like he is toothless.
 
2205: Defence Secretary Philip Hammond says the US "will be disappointed that Britain will not be involved" in any military strike. "I don't expect that the lack of British participation will stop any action," he adds.

2202: Conservative MP Crispin Blunt said tonight's vote was a "very significant positive" for those with doubts about military action and for Parliament. "That's it," he said. "Parliament has spoken and the United Kingdom isn't going to be involved directly in any of this."



Great stuff. The small pro-war band can probably separate themselves from the majority of skeptics in the UK and get behind the US now. So everyone's happy.....
 
^ probably the people of britain are happy, and people outside of Britain are happy to see the true democracy from Britain once again, but US has to interviene in Syria either military or non-military to remove Assad.
 
very close vote, and cameron wants it too bad.

parliament will be easily swayed by more violence/information.

and even if uk don't attack the us still will.

the west are not going to allow assad to remain in power. i just can't see it.
 
Michael Gove has to be restrained by colleagues after war of words (no pun) breaks out with Tory backbenchers - Gove screams "You're all a disgrace". I frankly don't care about what anyone says here or anywhere else - killers must be punished, particularly those who kill without fail everyday for 2 years and continue to do so, using more and more deplorable methods. Having a moral compass is more important than political point scoring.
 
If I was Obama and I needed a way out, I would do exactly what Cameron did - put it to a vote by Congress. It would almost certainly be shot down as well, given that there is no smoking gun but a lot of circumstantial evidence only. Then he can say the same thing that Cameron will be saying tomorrow - blame the Congress for his being unable to act. Gets him out of a tight spot.
 
I frankly don't care about what anyone says here or anywhere else - killers must be punished, particularly those who kill without fail everyday for 2 years and continue to do so, using more and more deplorable methods. Having a moral compass is more important than political point scoring.

America does this too tbf...
 
If I was Obama and I needed a way out, I would do exactly what Cameron did - put it to a vote by Congress. It would almost certainly be shot down as well, given that there is no smoking gun but a lot of circumstantial evidence only. Then he can say the same thing that Cameron will be saying tomorrow - blame the Congress for his being unable to act. Gets him out of a tight spot.

Or it will make him look gutless, like Cameron. Sorry but there is a reason why the Prime Minster holds the power to go to war without consulting Parliament - sometimes, members of parliament will be so scared of the consequences for their political careers of taking action that they would rather vote against. That way, they can never be accused of voting for a failed war. I bet that privately, many would have supported the war. The Prime Minster holds the power so that he can make a moral judgment about the need to go to war, regardless of what his MPs think.
 
Surely now the US, already reluctant to act unilaterally, will have to launch fresh Geneva roundtable talks. Only the US can rein in the Gulf states and force a peaceful, negotiated end to this nightmare in Syria. Only then will the US regain any credibility.
 
America does this too tbf...

America is no saint, but all the innocent people it may have killed due to failed foreign policy does not compare to the mass killing of Asad's own people by the use of chemical weapons.

So what happens next? Iran develops its nuclear capacity and carries out a massacre - is this a real red line? Do we now take it that the use of chemical weapons is acceptable? Does Iraq mean that we, as one of the world's most powerful nations in the world, will now sit back and watch dictators kill millions world over?

Forget politics. It's not right and it is shameful that rational people in this country are so haunted by Iraq that they seem to have lost their moral compass.
 
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If I was Obama and I needed a way out, I would do exactly what Cameron did - put it to a vote by Congress. It would almost certainly be shot down as well, given that there is no smoking gun but a lot of circumstantial evidence only. Then he can say the same thing that Cameron will be saying tomorrow - blame the Congress for his being unable to act. Gets him out of a tight spot.
With the AIPAC controlled Congress? You must be joking. You forget that, other than Saudi Arabia, Israel was the one pushing the Obama administration into taking action, including, supposedly, providing most of the 'intelligence' that Cameron/Obama are supposed to have.

Israel wants a Syria in perpetual civil war, or ruled by a US pliant govt., and it is the one that most fears these chemical weapons falling into the hands of the rebels, and hence why it wants the US and its allies to do everything possible to see them eliminated.
 
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Michael Gove apparently "lost it" according to one MP, turned around and shouted at his fellow Tory MPs: "Disgrace, disgrace, disgrace."
 
America is no saint, but all the innocent people it may have killed due to failed foreign policy does not compare to the mass killing of Asad's own people by the use of chemical weapons.

So what happens next? Iran develops its nuclear capacity and carries out a massacre - is this a real red line? Do we now take it that the use of chemical weapons is acceptable? Does Iraq mean that we, as one of the world's most powerful nations in the world, will now sit back and watch dictators kill millions world over?

Forget politics. It's not right and it is shameful that rational people in this country are so haunted by Iraq that they seem to have lost their moral compass.

And what about the proxy war the US waged against the Soviets in the 70's? What did they do once the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan? They left Afghanistan broken and into the hands of the Talibs.

And there is no evidence to suggest that it was Assad.
 
America is no saint, but all the innocent people it may have killed due to failed foreign policy does not compare to the mass killing of Asad's own people by the use of chemical weapons.

So what happens next? Iran develops its nuclear capacity and carries out a massacre - is this a real red line? Do we now take it that the use of chemical weapons is acceptable? Does Iraq mean that we, as one of the world's most powerful nations in the world, will now sit back and watch dictators kill millions world over?

Forget politics. It's not right and it is shameful that rational people in this country are so haunted by Iraq that they seem to have lost their moral compass.

The US has used chemical weapons on people.
It turns a blind eye when Israel uses chemical weapons on people.
It turned a blind eye when Saddam used chemical weapons on Iran.

What the heck are you on about? JUST because of Iraq? You mean the 12 year long proxy war where innocent people were killed? And you act like you want killers punished? Hell, I'm not even going into the Afghanistan war or the drone strikes on innocents. As if the US doesn't have an agenda when it comes to Syria. I'm baffled that people still fall for the whole global police tag that the US likes wearing.
 
Or it will make him look gutless, like Cameron. Sorry but there is a reason why the Prime Minster holds the power to go to war without consulting Parliament - sometimes, members of parliament will be so scared of the consequences for their political careers of taking action that they would rather vote against. That way, they can never be accused of voting for a failed war. I bet that privately, many would have supported the war. The Prime Minster holds the power so that he can make a moral judgment about the need to go to war, regardless of what his MPs think.

Is that what you said before the wars on Afghans and Iraqis?
 
The most enthusiastic supporters of action are some American neocon types and some deluded members of my own sect who consider Assad the worst leader ever because of his sect.
 
America is no saint, but all the innocent people it may have killed due to failed foreign policy does not compare to the mass killing of Asad's own people by the use of chemical weapons.

So what happens next? Iran develops its nuclear capacity and carries out a massacre - is this a real red line? Do we now take it that the use of chemical weapons is acceptable? Does Iraq mean that we, as one of the world's most powerful nations in the world, will now sit back and watch dictators kill millions world over?

Forget politics. It's not right and it is shameful that rational people in this country are so haunted by Iraq that they seem to have lost their moral compass.

Do you think the will of the people should be disregarded? Even Cameron admitted that his MPs and the general public sounded out a message loud and clear on this one. That we need to rationally examine every single policy decision and also take ownership of our own sovereignty, stop being dragged into matters and fights that are not ours to get involved in.
 
Michael Gove has to be restrained by colleagues after war of words (no pun) breaks out with Tory backbenchers - Gove screams "You're all a disgrace". I frankly don't care about what anyone says here or anywhere else - killers must be punished, particularly those who kill without fail everyday for 2 years and continue to do so, using more and more deplorable methods. Having a moral compass is more important than political point scoring.

There is a CIVIL war happening in Syria. There is no actual evidence presented thus far of Assad being behind this chemical weapons attack. If the US and the UK move to attack Assad's regime Syria will be utterly destroyed. There are a number of opposition forces within the rebels themselves, the bombing of Syria will be completely counter-productive.
 
There is a CIVIL war happening in Syria. There is no actual evidence presented thus far of Assad being behind this chemical weapons attack. If the US and the UK move to attack Assad's regime Syria will be utterly destroyed. There are a number of opposition forces within the rebels themselves, the bombing of Syria will be completely counter-productive.
After last nights govt. defeat, and the statements made by both Cameron and his Defence Secretary Philip Hammond after the vote, for the UK to take part in any action against Syria will have serious repercussions for UK politics.
 
What people don't realise is that with all the media attention and political scrutiny given to this proposed intervention, any attack would have to strictly be on military sites and places storing chemical weapons. If they went beyond this remit the political parties and general public would not let them get away with it.

When you a have a crazy mad man like Bashar al Assad killing the innocent men, women and children of Syria, and the Muslim Countries all silent in the face of this oppression, then you would accept anybody, even your enemy stopping this madman.

Imagine if it was you and your family facing these chemical weapons, i dont think you would be so opposed to taking the risk of the west intervening then. Please don't be blinded by anti western sentiment and anti war rhetoric. The situation and facts on the ground are quite unique and quite desperate and we need to take account of this.
 
What people don't realise is that with all the media attention and political scrutiny given to this proposed intervention, any attack would have to strictly be on military sites and places storing chemical weapons. If they went beyond this remit the political parties and general public would not let them get away with it.

When you a have a crazy mad man like Bashar al Assad killing the innocent men, women and children of Syria, and the Muslim Countries all silent in the face of this oppression, then you would accept anybody, even your enemy stopping this madman.

Imagine if it was you and your family facing these chemical weapons, i dont think you would be so opposed to taking the risk of the west intervening then. Please don't be blinded by anti western sentiment and anti war rhetoric. The situation and facts on the ground are quite unique and quite desperate and we need to take account of this.
How do you think we ended up in this current situation? After all, the Syrian regime has had chemical weapons for decades.

Do you think that the 'rebels' (backed by their supporters like the Saudi's and other Gulf states) have had nothing to do with the situation as it is today? Do you understand the 'ethnic cleansing' that some of the rebel groups are carrying out in the areas that they have captured and are under their control?

Whilst the Assad regime are despots, do you believe that the other side are angels?

As for attacking Syria, the US is going to do it anyway. Getting the UK on board was simply to try and give the impression that it was the 'will of the international community'.
 
Do you think the will of the people should be disregarded? Even Cameron admitted that his MPs and the general public sounded out a message loud and clear on this one. That we need to rationally examine every single policy decision and also take ownership of our own sovereignty, stop being dragged into matters and fights that are not ours to get involved in.

Let's accept that our day is over. We have very few warships left now and are £1T in debt.

Instead, let's just stick to fulfilling our commitment to NATO and to UN Resolutions, rather than trying to show leadership to the world based on faulty intelligence and questionable values as did Blair in 2003.
 
Let's accept that our day is over. We have very few warships left now and are £1T in debt.

Instead, let's just stick to fulfilling our commitment to NATO and to UN Resolutions, rather than trying to show leadership to the world based on faulty intelligence and questionable values as did Blair in 2003.

Sane words...till the economy pulls back and heads north again Britain should intervene only where its strategic interests are affected eg. Falklands/Gibraltar/Suez etc....

Maybe Britain could take a leaf out of France's foreign policy on this...
 
Hmmm. Googled the recent past of Syria.... Before 2011, Assad has ambitions of going nuclear. Israel bombed their nuclear site in past. If those nuclear sites and ambitions are taken out then their is indeed no need of bombing.... The real catch 22 is how advanced their weapons are. Because you dont want any nuclear knowledge/info/people/material falling into rogue element of rebels.
 
Another video just made it to the net showing a Syrian jet dropping an incendiary bomb on a playground full of kids.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-23892594

how much of it is legit, if its really Assad's jet, etc I'm not sure. But this might just be the final push US needs to start bombing Syria.
 
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The BBC has truly gone up the wall since 9/11, backs all of our overseas adventures in a manner than even eclipses Sky. If you read and watch the Beeb today it is clearly still pushing the idea of intervention.
 
Let's accept that our day is over. We have very few warships left now and are £1T in debt.

Instead, let's just stick to fulfilling our commitment to NATO and to UN Resolutions, rather than trying to show leadership to the world based on faulty intelligence and questionable values as did Blair in 2003.

Rob the USA is $17T in debt.
 
Rob the USA is $17T in debt.

Yes but their GDP is ten times bigger than ours, and they spend a much larger proportion of it on defence that the UK does.

Looks like the USA, France and some Arab League states (Qatar, maybe? - they hit Libya) will get involved in strikes on Syria.
 
The Black Banners of Islam are surely putting the fear of Allah in these Pharoahs, march on Mujahideen !! Topple Assad and liberate Syria by establishing Khilafah!
 
Syrian Civil War

The Black Banners of Islam are surely putting the fear of Allah in these Pharoahs, march on Mujahideen !! Topple Assad and liberate Syria by establishing Khilafah!

So America and co are going to establish a Khilafah ?
 
I cannot believe the government motion failed. How much killing do we all have to watch before we decide to take action? The reality is that Asad is no better than Hitler. Granted that, unlike Hitler, Asad posses no direct military threat to the UK. It does not change the fact however that the world would have been an unrecognisable today had nobody stood up to Hitler. What sort of message does this give to the dictators of the world?

The fact of the matter is that the measures proposed by Cameron and Obama are weak. There isn't even the intention to overthrow Asad. The measures were watered down to make them acceptable to even the most reluctant observer but the fact that this has been rejected is just morally appalling. Asad probably feels like he's never been more powerful.

Go to Syria and fight. What are you doing on PP?
 
Seriously though, it is shocking to see so many Muslims wanting US intervention, when those same Muslims complain about US presence in Afghanistan and Iraq. The hypocrisy is striking

P.S:- I do not believe that US presence in any Muslim country is good, and I certainly disagree here

P.S.S:- How does attacking Syria alleviate the sufferings of the people?
 
Seriously though, it is shocking to see so many Muslims wanting US intervention, when those same Muslims complain about US presence in Afghanistan and Iraq. The hypocrisy is striking

P.S:- I do not believe that US presence in any Muslim country is good, and I certainly disagree here

P.S.S:- How does attacking Syria alleviate the sufferings of the people?
Err..r you mean other despotic rulers of muslim states, rulers who want to 'liberate' Syria from a despotic regime, and yet keep on doing to their own people what the Assad regime had been doing for decades to the Syrian people. And now these Saudi and other Arab 'liberators' have made things even worse by pumping money and arms to the rebel forces.
 
How good is the Syrian army ? .

Its nothing special but better than many other Arab states but you know the US is just too strong for any country.Nobody can take on the US in conventional war.The Syrian army has 300000 soldiers If I remember correctly.
 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23906913

John Kerry has come out with a death toll estimate much higher than what MSF said last week which was 355.

US Secretary of State John Kerry has said Syrian government forces killed 1,429 people in a chemical weapons attack in Damascus last week.

Mr Kerry said the dead included 426 children, and described the attack as an "inconceivable horror".

The US is pushing for intervention to stop the Syrian government from using chemical weapons.

The government of President Bashar al-Assad has denied carrying out the attack and blames rebel forces.
 
Err..r you mean other despotic rulers of muslim states, rulers who want to 'liberate' Syria from a despotic regime, and yet keep on doing to their own people what the Assad regime had been doing for decades to the Syrian people. And now these Saudi and other Arab 'liberators' have made things even worse by pumping money and arms to the rebel forces.

People and posters on here, like Usman, are hardly likely to be despotic rules of said despotic regimes

The significance of any US action will be clear soon enough. Never forget the terms through which Golan Heights is Syrian
 
Is this news true that Russia has threatned KSA of an attack if Syria is attacked by America?
 
^I have read it but I doubt the report.Russia said It will not be drawn into war.
 
^I have read it but I doubt the report.Russia said It will not be drawn into war.

aren't China and Russia supposed to defend their ally? Will Syria be left on its own if America attacks them?
 
aren't China and Russia supposed to defend their ally?

Didn't in Viet Nam and Iraq.

Far too dangerous - last time there was a confrontation betweeen USSR and USA, WW3 nearly began.
 
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