The niqaab

[DeadBall]

I know you can make a case of modesty with the Hijab but it is totally ludicrous to suggest a normal not indoctrinated or brainwashed human would be willingly wanting to do that. Especially women. Even in the Niqaab they apply the most amount of eye make up just to attract attention to their only visible feature.

Also how about all the males who will surely be coming to defend this now go about in a niqaab themselves to see how it feels.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Hmm, another veiled attack on Islam. Pardon the pun.

Can you tell these women’s religions from their veils?

With hijab, burka and even burkini bans across Europe gaining international attention, people have mostly focused on Islamic veils. Wild horses are extinct and may have died out thousands of years ago This is because most people in the west associate headscarves with Islam, and officials often loosely link these laws to Islamic terrorism in a way that is sometimes overtly Islamophobic.

But, of course, it’s not just Muslim women who wear the veil or headscarf. Followers of many religions across the world wear a head covering of some sort. See if you can tell which religion these veiled women follow – you may be surprised.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/10/06/can-y...ligions-from-their-veils-6175120/?ito=cbshare

 

[Markhor]

I've never made secret my distaste for the burqa. Its an eyesore and totally alien in a Western society where many non-Muslims not only perceive it as intimidatory but also as a symbol of Islamist extremism. It is counter to human nature and our interactions where we pay each other the basic courtesy of seeing each others' face.

People are arguing that banning the burqa would be counter to liberal values and tolerance. But even in a liberal democracy, society sets limits on one's rights. There is no such thing as absolute freedom or liberty. In some places you cannot burn a flag or use a mobile phone and drive or roam around naked.

The hypocrisy from those opposing the ban is also noteworthy. The same people opposing a burqa ban in the West in the name of "allowing women to wear what they want" are nowhere to be seen when the same freedom is demanded for women in Muslim countries. You cannot have your cake and eat it by earning livelihoods in the West and demand the West compromise with your values when you don't reciprocate the same right to Westerners in Muslim societies. From a practical point of view - these women will need to reveal their identities anyway at banks, to apply for a driving license, passports, rail cards, student cards etc so there's an already of element of compromise.

I don't buy that all women wear the burqa out of choice. Social conditioning and family expectations plays a huge part. Are you seriously arguing that women in the stifling heat of Northern Nigeria, Syria, Afghanistan and northwest Pakistan are wearing those suffocating outfits out of choice ?

 

[DeadBall]

Hmm, another veiled attack on Islam. Pardon the pun.

Can you tell these women’s religions from their veils?



http://metro.co.uk/2016/10/06/can-y...ligions-from-their-veils-6175120/?ito=cbshare

Just because others do/did it does not make it ok.

 

[DeadBall]

I've never made secret my distaste for the burqa. Its an eyesore and totally alien in a Western society where many non-Muslims not only perceive it as intimidatory but also as a symbol of Islamist extremism. It is counter to human nature and our interactions where we pay each other the basic courtesy of seeing each others' face.

People are arguing that banning the burqa would be counter to liberal values and tolerance. But even in a liberal democracy, society sets limits on one's rights. There is no such thing as absolute freedom or liberty. In some places you cannot burn a flag or use a mobile phone and drive or roam around naked.

The hypocrisy from those opposing the ban is also noteworthy. The same people opposing a burqa ban in the West in the name of "allowing women to wear what they want" are nowhere to be seen when the same freedom is demanded for women in Muslim countries. You cannot have your cake and eat it by earning livelihoods in the West and demand the West compromise with your values when you don't reciprocate the same right to Westerners in Muslim societies. From a practical point of view - these women will need to reveal their identities anyway at banks, to apply for a driving license, passports, rail cards, student cards etc so there's an already of element of compromise.

I don't buy that all women wear the burqa out of choice. Social conditioning and family expectations plays a huge part. Are you seriously arguing that women in the stifling heat of Northern Nigeria, Syria, Afghanistan and northwest Pakistan are wearing those suffocating outfits out of choice ?

And another part of the hypocrisy is pretty evident in the males too. For example Afridi has his wife in a niqaab with his pre pubescent daughter already in a hijab, yet for all his modesty he appears all over the world in commercials for hair and other vanity objects.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Just because others do/did it does not make it ok.

Wasn't the point. Read the article. The Niqab/Burka is mistakenly associated with Islam in The West, which your OP was eluding to too, when in reality it is an attire than has spread through various cultures and religions, including Christianity.

Did you take the test in the URL by the way?

 

[DeadBall]

Wasn't the point. Read the article. The Niqab/Burka is mistakenly associated with Islam in The West, which your OP was eluding to too, when in reality it is an attire than has spread through various cultures and religions, including Christianity.

Did you take the test in the URL by the way?

It is the point. You can give your childish arguments like we used to do when younger like " but even he/she" does it but it isn't a viable excuse. I don't care about Islam in the West, even those religions you are talking about have mostly stopped practicing these outdated methods.

 

[Musakhel]

As long as there are reports of the Niqab from the Prophet (PBUH) time religiously there is no argument against it, In Pakistan at least see more women wearing the niqab compared to 10 years ago.

 

[Pakpak]

I've never made secret my distaste for the burqa. Its an eyesore and totally alien in a Western society where many non-Muslims not only perceive it as intimidatory but also as a symbol of Islamist extremism. It is counter to human nature and our interactions where we pay each other the basic courtesy of seeing each others' face.

People are arguing that banning the burqa would be counter to liberal values and tolerance. But even in a liberal democracy, society sets limits on one's rights. There is no such thing as absolute freedom or liberty. In some places you cannot burn a flag or use a mobile phone and drive or roam around naked.

The hypocrisy from those opposing the ban is also noteworthy. The same people opposing a burqa ban in the West in the name of "allowing women to wear what they want" are nowhere to be seen when the same freedom is demanded for women in Muslim countries. You cannot have your cake and eat it by earning livelihoods in the West and demand the West compromise with your values when you don't reciprocate the same right to Westerners in Muslim societies. From a practical point of view - these women will need to reveal their identities anyway at banks, to apply for a driving license, passports, rail cards, student cards etc so there's an already of element of compromise.

I don't buy that all women wear the burqa out of choice. Social conditioning and family expectations plays a huge part. Are you seriously arguing that women in the stifling heat of Northern Nigeria, Syria, Afghanistan and northwest Pakistan are wearing those suffocating outfits out of choice ?

Pretty good post. I mean look at the UK, you have a lot of Labour MPs who are of Pakistani origin and a lot of Muslims in UK support Labour. Labour....who also support same sex marriages, gay rights and obviously secularism. Now if a same party along Labour's lines popped up in Pakistan then those same Muslims would never ever support it there, infact a party along Labour's line in Pakistan would be tantamount to suicide.

 

[R3verse Swing]

It is the point. You can give your childish arguments like we used to do when younger like " but even he/she" does it but it isn't a viable excuse. I don't care about Islam in the West, even those religions you are talking about have mostly stopped practicing these outdated methods.

No, it is the point. You were attacking Islam, got schooled, and have changed your tune.

Come back with a better argument.

 

[Varun]

Hmm, another veiled attack on Islam.

Except that it isn't. It only criticizes an Arab fancy dress - this has nothing to do with Islam or any religion.

 

[R3verse Swing]

As long as there are reports of the Niqab from the Prophet (PBUH) time religiously there is no argument against it, In Pakistan at least see more women wearing the niqab compared to 10 years ago.

I don't buy that all women wear the burqa out of choice. Social conditioning and family expectations plays a huge part. Are you seriously arguing that women in the stifling heat of Northern Nigeria, Syria, Afghanistan and northwest Pakistan are wearing those suffocating outfits out of choice ?

The burka/Niqab was not born out of faith or religion, even though existed LONG before Islam. Mary, mother of Jesus, is pictured wearing the Niqab.

The Burka however was born out of necessity, Sandstorms. Well, from there on Burka found itself in religion through cultural over spills.

Religion doesn't force a women to cover herself from top to bottom - culture does. Religion does however guide people to dress decently.

 

[DeadBall]

No, it is the point. You were attacking Islam, got schooled, and have changed your tune.

Come back with a better argument.

I AM attacking Islam then because it is the only religion that condones this behaviour on a large scale. What is the percentage of fully veiled Muslim women compared to the other religions you posted about. I would be surprised if its 1000 to 1 and I am being conservative.

This backward and oppressive tradition of covering up a human being has no place in modern society and if there is I want you to wear a niqaab from tomorrow too from now on to show your modesty.

 

[DeadBall]

The burka/Niqab was not born out of faith or religion, even though existed LONG before Islam. Mary, mother of Jesus, is pictured wearing the Niqab.

The Burka however was born out of necessity, Sandstorms. Well, from there on Burka found itself in religion through cultural over spills.

Religion doesn't force a women to cover herself from top to bottom - culture does. Religion does however guide people to dress decently.

She has the Hijab on not the Niqab. Go learn your religion.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Pretty good post. I mean look at the UK, you have a lot of Labour MPs who are of Pakistani origin and a lot of Muslims in UK support Labour. Labour....who also support same sex marriages, gay rights and obviously secularism. Now if a same party along Labour's lines popped up in Pakistan then those same Muslims would never ever support it there, infact a party along Labour's line in Pakistan would be tantamount to suicide.

When it comes to Abortion, the West preached women's rights, it's the woman's choice etc, but such rights are out the window when a women chooses to dress the way she wants because attacking Islam is in fashion.

 

[R3verse Swing]

I AM attacking Islam then because it is the only religion that condones this behaviour on a large scale. What is the percentage of fully veiled Muslim women compared to the other religions you posted about. I would be surprised if its 1000 to 1 and I am being conservative.

This backward and oppressive tradition of covering up a human being has no place in modern society and if there is I want you to wear a niqaab from tomorrow too from now on to show your modesty.

Took a couple of posts. I was right, you are attacking Islam.

Nothing to see here folks.

 

[Pakpak]

When it comes to Abortion, the West preached women's rights, it's the woman's choice etc, but such rights are out the window when a women chooses to dress the way she wants because attacking Islam is in fashion.

Personally I think anyone should dress however they wish, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of Muslims supporting secular parties in the West when in their own homelands they would never ever support such parties.

 

[DeadBall]

Took a couple of posts. I was right, you are attacking Islam.

Nothing to see here folks.

Come back with your sandstorm logic when you know the difference between a Hijab and a Niqaab.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Come back with your sandstorm logic when you know the difference between a Hijab and a Niqaab.

So you finally learned something.

Good boy.

 

[DeadBall]

Personally I think anyone should dress however they wish, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of Muslims supporting secular parties in the West when in their own homelands they would never ever support such parties.

Yes but logically speaking how many people would want to cover their face? How many women in non Islamic countries do you see covering their faces voluntarily?

 

[DeadBall]

So you finally learned something.

Good boy.

But I see that you haven't and never will. Sad.

 

[Pakpak]

Yes but logically speaking how many people would want to cover their face? How many women in non Islamic countries do you see covering their faces voluntarily?

Some women in my own family do so voluntarily in Pakistan (a few aunts). Not every woman who is doing it is forced to do so.

 

[DeadBall]

Some women in my own family do so voluntarily in Pakistan (a few aunts). Not every woman who is doing it is forced to do so.

How do you know that? Were you with them daily since the day they were born?

 

[R3verse Swing]

Until people learn and distinguish between Religion and Culture, they will remain ignorant.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Even if Women say they wear the attire through choice, Islamophobics and haters will claim it is through force. They will not, and can never accept just how liberal and lenient Islam is.

 

[Pakpak]

How do you know that? Were you with them daily since the day they were born?

I know it because their husbands and sons are not religious at all and they (the women) have been the ones who have been trying to get everyone to be religious around them. A lot of women aren't forced to wear them and wear them because they're relgious. My own mother wears an abaya even when she is in the UK and I have argued with her a lot of times to not do so (personally out of her safety).

No need to show your sarcasm with me, I am not religious in the slightest.

 

[Pakpak]

Even if Women say they wear the attire through choice, Islamophobics and haters will claim it is through force. They will not, and can never accept just how liberal and lenient Islam is.

I am not religious but I accept a lot of women wear it out of choice. Not sure why DeadBall is hell bent on saying otherwise.

 

[DeadBall]

I know it because their husbands and sons are not religious at all and they (the women) have been the ones who have been trying to get everyone to be religious around them. A lot of women aren't forced to wear them and wear them because they're relgious. My own mother wears an abaya even when she is in the UK and I have argued with her a lot of times to not do so (personally out of her safety).

No need to show your sarcasm with me, I am not religious in the slightest.

Their husbands and sons wouldn't have had an influence in their upbringing. Does not matter how religious you are, I was questioning your claim.

 

[DeadBall]

I am not religious but I accept a lot of women wear it out of choice. Not sure why DeadBall is hell bent on saying otherwise.

Ok they wear it out of choice. How many non Muslim women are there who wear it out of choice? If you can show me just 1% of the Non Muslim women in the world doing that, I will believe you.

 

[Pakpak]

Their husbands and sons wouldn't have had an influence in their upbringing. Does not matter how religious you are, I was questioning your claim.

You can continue questioning it. My aunts for instance weren't brought up with Hijaab or Niqaab. But under normal parents, my grandfather never cared. They started wearing Niqaabs after being indoctrinated by Farhat Hashmi TV shows and their ilk and then the regular Quraan meetings with women in their mohallas.

Personally I don't care whether you believe me or not, nor does it matter it to me. This post was more at everyone who seems to think every niqaabi is there because they were forced to. A large amount may indeed be, but a lot of them aren't

 

[R3verse Swing]

Forget Islam. Let's grant this ludicrous notion. Pick any other religion/culture, it's no secret, Men have an input in they want they want their women to dress. Look at Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity, and even Atheists/Liberal believers in the West.

The argument that women are exclusively forced in Islam is just full of ignorance and hate.

 

[DeadBall]

You can continue questioning it. My aunts for instance weren't brought up with Hijaab or Niqaab. But under normal parents, my grandfather never cared. They started wearing Niqaabs after being indoctrinated by Farhat Hashmi TV shows and their ilk and then the regular Quraan meetings with women in their mohallas.

Personally I don't care whether you believe me or not, nor does it matter it to me. This post was more at everyone who seems to think every niqaabi is there because they were forced to. A large amount may indeed be, but a lot of them aren't

Alright, I get your point. But you did use the word indoctrinated, which was my point.

 

[Pakpak]

Alright, I get your point. But you did use the word indoctrinated, which was my point.

Not really, your point was being forced. Indoctrination isn't being forced, noone made my aunts listen to religious scholars, they did it on their own. As I said my own mother is an example, she wears an abaya yet my Nana and Nani were not religous till the very late part of their lives. My mother uptill a decade ago was very liberal, its only after some traumatic events in my family that both my parents have turned to religion. Noone forced them into it, least of all their parents and least of all their upbringing. A lot of religious people including men are brainwashed into being religious, that isn't the same as someone forcing them.

Its only this younger generation that's turning very religious, the generation before wasn't this religious. Why that is; in another debate.

 

[DeadBall]

You can continue questioning it. My aunts for instance weren't brought up with Hijaab or Niqaab. But under normal parents, my grandfather never cared. They started wearing Niqaabs after being indoctrinated by Farhat Hashmi TV shows and their ilk and then the regular Quraan meetings with women in their mohallas.

Personally I don't care whether you believe me or not, nor does it matter it to me. This post was more at everyone who seems to think every niqaabi is there because they were forced to. A large amount may indeed be, but a lot of them aren't

Dude, really ...

Not really, your point was being forced. Indoctrination isn't being forced, noone made my aunts listen to religious scholars, they did it on their own. As I said my own mother is an example, she wears an abaya yet my Nana and Nani were not religous till the very late part of their lives. My mother uptill a decade ago was very liberal, its only after some traumatic events in my family that both my parents have turned to religion. Noone forced them into it, least of all their parents and least of all their upbringing. A lot of religious people including men are brainwashed into being religious, that isn't the same as someone forcing them.

Its only this younger generation that's turning very religious, the generation before wasn't this religious. Why that is; in another debate.

My mother went a similar route but it's just because some conman peddling some lies so that could have some hope. I am not against that but it's repulsive how these "scholars" tend to cater to these kind of people. Also my other point was that these people are the exception rather than the rule. They just feed on people trying to find some hope and then just further their propaganda to vulnerable people to fulfill their own goals.

 

[Slog]

They scare me honestly. No place in modern society

Some acquaintances have justified them by saying most women wear them of their own free will. I ask such people to google the term 'Stockholm syndrome'

 

[Slog]

Even if Women say they wear the attire through choice, Islamophobics and haters will claim it is through force. They will not, and can never accept just how liberal and lenient Islam is.

As I say.

Ever heard of 'Stockholm syndrome'?

 

[Pakpak]

Dude, really ...





My mother went a similar route but it's just because some conman peddling some lies so that could have some hope. I am not against that but it's repulsive how these "scholars" tend to cater to these kind of people. Also my other point was that these people are the exception rather than the rule. They just feed on people trying to find some hope and then just further their propaganda to vulnerable people to fulfill their own goals.

'Dude really' what?

Brainwashing someone is not the same as forcing someone against their will, which is my point.

 

[DeadBall]

'Dude really' what?

Brainwashing someone is not the same as forcing someone against their will, which is my point.

You yourself said that they were indoctrinated. What is your definition of indoctrinated

 

[PakLFC]

I don't see the point in wearing the niqab at all. Can see why Islam tells believing ladies to dress modestly but covering the face is needless, many believe that it's pre Islamic Arab tradition. Most Muslim ladies wear it to seek attention and be controversial, that's all.

 

[Pakpak]

You yourself said that they were indoctrinated. What is your definition of indoctrinated

Yeah I said they were indoctrinated, not forced.

Indoctrinating is brainwashing, being taught certain views, in this case these the women went to these scholars willingly and swallowed their nonsense. Being forced would be someone forcing them to go there, which noone did. Both are not the same thing.

While I agree with you a large part of the women are forced probably (well almost certainly in places like KSA and Saudi Arabia) some do choose it willingly. We can perhaps pity them or criticise them but that's another topic.

I can sense you have very strong feelings on the subject, which I guess is understandable depending on how religion affected you in your life. Maybe I was more lucky where my family and friends are largely indifferent to my views.

 

[DeadBall]

Yeah I said they were indoctrinated, not forced.

Indoctrinating is brainwashing, being taught certain views, in this case these the women went to these scholars willingly and swallowed their nonsense. Being forced would be someone forcing them to go there, which noone did. Both are not the same thing.

While I agree with you a large part of the women are forced probably (well almost certainly in places like KSA and Saudi Arabia) some do choose it willingly. We can perhaps pity them or criticise them but that's another topic.

I can sense you have very strong feelings on the subject, which I guess is understandable depending on how religion affected you in your life. Maybe I was more lucky where my family and friends are largely indifferent to my views.

K, thanks. Good honest input. My family are also indifferent to my views NOW because they have no say in it but the childhood years were torture. Great that you didn't suffer a similar fate,

 

[KingKhanWC]

Man 'tried to strangle female driver with her niqab' when she delivered him food

'He's grabbing me and trying to choke me with my own niqab. I kept telling that man I've got kids,' says Sonya King

A female food delivery driver has claimed a customer tried to strangle her by grabbing her niqab.

Sonya King, who works for a restaurant delivery service called DoorDash, said she was making a delivery at a house in northwest Atlanta when Rick Painter assaulted her.

Ms King said he told her he would give her a cash tip as she headed towards the door.

"In the process of him going through his wallet, he said, 'Oh and by the way I'm Jesus'," she told local Channel 2 Action News.

She continued walking to the door when she claimed she felt the 54-year-old come from behind and grab her head scarf.

"He's grabbing me and trying to choke me with my own niqab. I kept telling that man I've got kids. In the midst of me fighting him, he's grabbing my head. He thought he was Jesus, but Jesus wouldn't do that to nobody,” she said.

According to the news station, she used her finger to poke his eye and her car keys to fight back.

"In the midst of me stabbing this man, he's saying, 'Aw this feels good'," Ms King said.

She added: "He seemed normal. Anybody would have went in.”

Police are said to have arrested Mr Painter after Ms King called 911.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-door-dash-atlanta-rick-painter-a8343426.html




Hopefully after his experience and those who hate women wearing the niqaab(after reading this story) will think twice now.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I AM attacking Islam then because it is the only religion that condones this behaviour on a large scale. What is the percentage of fully veiled Muslim women compared to the other religions you posted about. I would be surprised if its 1000 to 1 and I am being conservative.

This backward and oppressive tradition of covering up a human being has no place in modern society and if there is I want you to wear a niqaab from tomorrow too from now on to show your modesty.

Lets put the past aside and discuss your views on this in detail.

You have wrote you are attacking Islam because it's the only religion which condones such behaviour.

Can you please explain which behaviour you are reffering to and provide details of how Islam condones this?

 

[PakLFC]

The niqaab or veil is totally impractical and unnecessary. Ladies even covered their face in pre Arab Middle East. I hate it when non Arab Muslim ladies trade in their own culture by adopting Arab ism. This is a fairly recent phenomena, back in the day those who dressed in salwar kameez are now brainwashed in to niqaab, jilbab and abaya thinking they will become more Muslim by dressing this way. I can see the sense in dressing modestly, the hijab or dupatta can be a very attractive accessory as well. I am afraid Pakistanis in particular are killing their own indigenous culture in their unrelenting efforts in becoming true Muslim's in the name of Arab ism. The west in particular has every right to fan the niqaab or burkha, I'll have no problem if it does. There is no need to stand out as aliens in the name of Islam thereby inviting nothing but suspicion or abuse in the process. What is hilarious is often how rude these so called true Muslim ladies are. They are not that beautiful that anyone who see's their face will drop unconscious.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The niqaab or veil is totally impractical and unnecessary. Ladies even covered their face in pre Arab Middle East. I hate it when non Arab Muslim ladies trade in their own culture by adopting Arab ism. This is a fairly recent phenomena, back in the day those who dressed in salwar kameez are now brainwashed in to niqaab, jilbab and abaya thinking they will become more Muslim by dressing this way. I can see the sense in dressing modestly, the hijab or dupatta can be a very attractive accessory as well. I am afraid Pakistanis in particular are killing their own indigenous culture in their unrelenting efforts in becoming true Muslim's in the name of Arab ism. The west in particular has every right to fan the niqaab or burkha, I'll have no problem if it does. There is no need to stand out as aliens in the name of Islam thereby inviting nothing but suspicion or abuse in the process. What is hilarious is often how rude these so called true Muslim ladies are. They are not that beautiful that anyone who see's their face will drop unconscious.

How many women who wear Niqab have you seen close up?

 

[PakLFC]

How many women who wear Niqab have you seen close up?

A good many. I wasn't counting so can not tell you the exact number. They lift their niqaab whenever necessary like to make payment or something. I have even seen ladies in niqaab smoking behind the veil It looks ridiculous even to a Muslim!

 

[DeadBall]

I have even seen ladies in niqaab smoking behind the veil It looks ridiculous even to a Muslim!

Have seen quite a few instances over here too quite shocking at first glance tbh. It's not so much as them smoking which is their choice, hell it looks OK even in a hijab, just looks unnatural in a Niqaab.

 

[Hermoine Green]

I know you can make a case of modesty with the Hijab but it is totally ludicrous to suggest a normal not indoctrinated or brainwashed human would be willingly wanting to do that. Especially women. Even in the Niqaab they apply the most amount of eye make up just to attract attention to their only visible feature.

Also how about all the males who will surely be coming to defend this now go about in a niqaab themselves to see how it feels.

Are you muslim bruv? (dont mind) I want to know because so then i can talk with you with the Islamic point of view with reference to some of the very authentic ahadeeth with book

 

[Hermoine Green]

I know you can make a case of modesty with the Hijab but it is totally ludicrous to suggest a normal not indoctrinated or brainwashed human would be willingly wanting to do that. Especially women. Even in the Niqaab they apply the most amount of eye make up just to attract attention to their only visible feature.

Also how about all the males who will surely be coming to defend this now go about in a niqaab themselves to see how it feels.

If your point is about the tons of make up under nikaab or that fancy ibayas and all then i am with you on this.

 

[Hermoine Green]

They scare me honestly. No place in modern society

Some acquaintances have justified them by saying most women wear them of their own free will. I ask such people to google the term 'Stockholm syndrome'

Laughable.

 

[Hermoine Green]

If a girl wears skirts or mini skirts of bikini so am sure some of you won't have any problem.


But if she wears nikaab then some people feel terrified

I dont know why you people are even having a discussion on a harmless and innocent thing.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Are you muslim bruv? (dont mind) I want to know because so then i can talk with you with the Islamic point of view with reference to some of the very authentic ahadeeth with book

Nope he isn't, read the whole thread bro

 

[CricketCartoons]

If a girl wears skirts or mini skirts of bikini so am sure some of you won't have any problem.


But if she wears nikaab then some people feel terrified

I dont know why you people are even having a discussion on a harmless and innocent thing.

I don't like anyone wearing skirts (unless they are ankle length) and definitely not bikinis..even shoulderless. Basically any garment that is meant for numaish. Also don't like nikaab/hijaab in girl child..there must be something wrong with the men, that girl children have to cover their modesty. Hijaab looks good on grown ups.

 

[Adijazz1706]

I don't like anyone wearing skirts (unless they are ankle length) and definitely not bikinis..even shoulderless. Basically any garment that is meant for numaish. Also don't like nikaab/hijaab in girl child..there must be something wrong with the men, that girl children have to cover their modesty. Hijaab looks good on grown ups.

Kids wearing niqab is just illogical

 

[CricketCartoons]

Kids wearing niqab is just illogical

Even kids wearing hijaab...hair on head may be seen as a sexualized part in grown ups but if it is seen as the same in kids, then it says so much about the society.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Even kids wearing hijaab...hair on head may be seen as a sexualized part in grown ups but if it is seen as the same in kids, then it says so much about the society.

Perhaps that is because the society is more perverted in the east, where we often hear about rape of youngsters - there have been cases in both Pakistan and India which have scandalised the world in 2018 alone. Perhaps that is why in the east wearing hijabs and headscarves is seen as necessary at such a young age. Here in the west it would be unthinkable. Even the paedophiles know better to travel to the east to indulge their sick fantasies.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Perhaps that is because the society is more perverted in the east, where we often hear about rape of youngsters - there have been cases in both Pakistan and India which have scandalised the world in 2018 alone. Perhaps that is why in the east wearing hijabs and headscarves is seen as necessary at such a young age. Here in the west it would be unthinkable. Even the paedophiles know better to travel to the east to indulge their sick fantasies.

What about the middle east?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What about the middle east?

The middle east is east when you are looking from the west.

 

[DeadBall]

Perhaps that is because the society is more perverted in the east, where we often hear about rape of youngsters - there have been cases in both Pakistan and India which have scandalised the world in 2018 alone. Perhaps that is why in the east wearing hijabs and headscarves is seen as necessary at such a young age. Here in the west it would be unthinkable. Even the paedophiles know better to travel to the east to indulge their sick fantasies.

Thailand is filled with these perverted white Uncles and Grandpas.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Perhaps that is because the society is more perverted in the east, where we often hear about rape of youngsters - there have been cases in both Pakistan and India which have scandalised the world in 2018 alone. Perhaps that is why in the east wearing hijabs and headscarves is seen as necessary at such a young age. Here in the west it would be unthinkable. Even the paedophiles know better to travel to the east to indulge their sick fantasies.

Seeing that child rapist Polanski is free even after admitting guilt 40 years ago, the east is 40 years behind the west in 'perversion' as you call it

 

[Slog]

If a girl wears skirts or mini skirts of bikini so am sure some of you won't have any problem.


But if she wears nikaab then some people feel terrified

I dont know why you people are even having a discussion on a harmless and innocent thing.

The girl wearing a miniskirt can't hide a bomb anywhere or be wearing a suicide west

At the very least atleast I'll know that the woman wearing a mini skirt is a woman and not some terrorist or criminal hiding their identity as has happened with people in niqabs

 

[aloo paratha]

As far as I was told Niqaab isn't even a part of Islam, Hijab is.

 

[CricketCartoons]

As far as I was told Niqaab isn't even a part of Islam, Hijab is.

Men lowering their gaze is also a part of Islam but wonder how many adhere to that.

 

[ManFan]

There should be security checks on burqas.

I can understand that.

But than again, the Queen of Austria in 1916 wore a black “burqa” when walking the streets.

Cavemen and cavewomen wore very little, than as we progressed, we decided to cover ourselves up, now we are back at removing clothes in the name of freedom from sexism and religion.

I wonder why no one has mentioned women of other groups wearing “burqas”?

OP has a notorious history of being anti-Islam and this is no different.

 

[saadibaba]

Men lowering their gaze is also a part of Islam but wonder how many adhere to that.

Nail on the head!

 

[saadibaba]

Hijab or Niqaab in my opinion has less to do with modesty and more to do with identity. The more a person is concerned about their identity or place in society, the more they will try to define themselves through their appearances and clothes or lack of. People who realize that a person's identity is less to do with their appearance and is more concerned with their nature and behavior is least bothered with such superficialities. I will admit that with time I have become less bothered with people's choice of clothing as I feel I have grown more indifferent to people. Its less apathy and more ennui. The tediousness of such arguments just bores me to hell. In the end who cares if someone has decided to cover their face, its their face, let them do what they want.

 

[Hermoine Green]

As far as I was told Niqaab isn't even a part of Islam, Hijab is.

Then you are told wrong.

 

[Hermoine Green]

The girl wearing a miniskirt can't hide a bomb anywhere or be wearing a suicide west

At the very least atleast I'll know that the woman wearing a mini skirt is a woman and not some terrorist or criminal hiding their identity as has happened with people in niqabs

So it means you will feel terrified when you see some male in Shalwar Kameez with chadar or some Polyester jacket???

 

[Hermoine Green]

I know you can make a case of modesty with the Hijab but it is totally ludicrous to suggest a normal not indoctrinated or brainwashed human would be willingly wanting to do that. Especially women. Even in the Niqaab they apply the most amount of eye make up just to attract attention to their only visible feature.

Also how about all the males who will surely be coming to defend this now go about in a niqaab themselves to see how it feels.

So you mean women is doing eye make up in nikaab just to attract people, dont you think she can do just to make herself happy?

By going your logic, if she is wearing Jeanz e.t.c then she is not trying to attract people? Or if i am wearing shalwar kameez so it means i am not trying to attract females but if i wear some jeans e.t.c e.t.c then it means i am trying to attract females??

And why do you think that a girl in her right state of mind would not like to wear a Nikaab?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So you mean women is doing eye make up in nikaab just to attract people, dont you think she can do just to make herself happy?

By going your logic, if she is wearing Jeanz e.t.c then she is not trying to attract people? Or if i am wearing shalwar kameez so it means i am not trying to attract females but if i wear some jeans e.t.c e.t.c then it means i am trying to attract females??

And why do you think that a girl in her right state of mind would not like to wear a Nikaab?

Two practical reasons that come to mind are heat: must be uncomfortable in hot countries, although I stand to be corrected if that isn't the case. Also, when driving, vision is going to be impaired.

 

[Slog]

So it means you will feel terrified when you see some male in Shalwar Kameez with chadar or some Polyester jacket???

Yes if he is hiding his face... Because that's what criminals do

 

[MenInG]

Men lowering their gaze is also a part of Islam but wonder how many adhere to that.

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[MenInG]

Niqab is a cultural abomination and literally done to hide women. Its impractical and has no place in modern Muslim society.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Personally not a fan of burqa but respect their choice. Whatever they are comfortable in.

 

[DeadBall]

Personally not a fan of burqa but respect their choice. Whatever they are comfortable in.

Albeit there is no choice. No rational person would be comfortable in it unless forced or brainwashed into wearing this abomination.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Albeit there is no choice. No rational person would be comfortable in it unless forced or brainwashed into wearing this abomination.

Hmm i think there are cases. Like in Sara Chaudhry's case. Dont think she was brainwashed..

Watch below if you have time

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Btw I am fine with religious people unless they don't force their views on others. If they do find peace and are comfortable in wearing burqa etc then its ok for me, just don't force others.

 

[DeadBall]

Hmm i think there are cases. Like in Sara Chaudhry's case. Dont think she was brainwashed..

Watch below if you have time

Some case do exist (as with anything else) but they are the exception and not the rule. As for her being brainwashed or not is something we cannot know for sure as we do not know what she has gone through in life or what her motivations are. Even if she sincerely wants that I respect it as it is her personal decision but do not pass it off as normal. This is like claiming McDonalds is a healthy food just because some obese person indulges in it.

 

[ataullah]

It's proven by Qur'an and hadith.

PROOFS FROM THE QURAN


1) Allah Ta’ala mentions,



{ ياأَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ قُل لأَزْوَاجِكَ وَبَنَاتِكَ وَنِسَآءِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ يُدْنِينَ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِن جَلاَبِيبِهِنَّ ذالِكَ أَدْنَى أَن يُعْرَفْنَ فَلاَ يُؤْذَيْنَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ غَفُوراً رَّحِيماً } [الأحزاب:59]



“O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters, and the women of the believers, that they should pull down upon them of their outer cloaks (from their heads over their faces). That is more likely that they may thus be recognized and not molested. And ALLAH is Most Forgiving, Merciful.



Numerous commentators (who certainly understood the Deen better than the Shaykh and his parents) have interpreted this verse to denote that ALL women are commanded to cover their faces. Below we have mentioned the names of scholars from each century who have either clearly mentioned, or cited scholars from the past and agreed with them, that this verse refers to covering the face:



1) The greatest commentator, Ibn Abbaas (died 68 AH)[1]

2) The great Sahabi, ‘Abidah as-Simani (died 72 AH)[2]

3) Imam al-Kufiyeen Yahya bin Ziyad Ad-Daylami (famously known as Al-Farraa-died 207)[3]

4) Abu Ja’far Muhammad bin Jarir at-Tabari (died 310 AH)[4]

5) Al-Imam al-Hafidh Abu Muhammad Abd ar-Rahman bin Abi Hatim (died 327AH)[5]

6) Imam Abu Ja’far Ahmad bin Muhammad al-Muradi an-Nuhas (A senior scholar from Egypt-died 338 AH)[6]

7) Imam Abu Bakr Ahmad bin ‘Ali Ar-Razi al-Jassass (died 370) [7]

8) Abu Ishaq Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Ibrahim At-Tha’labi (died 427)[8]

9) Abu Hasan ‘Ali bin Ahmad al-Wahidi (died 468)[9]

10) ‘Imad ad-Deen bin Muhammad at-Tabari (died 504 AH)[10]

 

[DeadBall]

Btw I am fine with religious people unless they don't force their views on others. If they do find peace and are comfortable in wearing burqa etc then its ok for me, just don't force others.

Thing with religion is they always end up forcing others. You can say you are fine with it as long as they keep it to themselves but the reality states otherwise.