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This obsession with not changing the 11 is really annoying and will cost us. What have you got to gain from not resting Shaheen. Fakhar is clearly out of form it wouldn’t hurt to put Haider Ali in. Why bother even flying out a squad of 15 or however many there are. I think we need to attack Aussies with spin and this would have been perfect opportunity to see Nawaz, see how much spin he gets how threatening he might be on these pitches. Why can’t we just think a little outside the box sometimes.
 
This is not a bilateral series where you need to “see” players or try out bench strength. You go in with your playing XI that is going to play the Semi and Finals.

Rest are there in case of injury or if we had been losing then rotating
 
This is not a bilateral series where you need to “see” players or try out bench strength. You go in with your playing XI that is going to play the Semi and Finals.

Rest are there in case of injury or if we had been losing then rotating

Yes but if you can improve the playing 11 by making one or two changes then these are the opportunities to get those players in. Hassan Ali and Fakhar Zaman need to be seriously considered being replaced especially against Australia who will work on Fakhars weaknesses and will struggle against spin
 
Resting Shaheen ok fair opinion but what about players who are clearly struggling.
 
These aren't charity games. This is a World Cup and Pakistan is in a great position. Worry about the next two games and the bench players can always play later in bilateral series.
 
Your not getting the point, I’m saying the players need to be replaced not saying play the others just for fun and show bench strength. Hassan is struggling and would have been ideal to play Nawaz In Semi against Aussies. Today would been perfect to put Nawaz in
 
This is a WC, can't disturb a winning combination and team momentum and confidence. The bench players will get their chance after the T20 WC as Hafeez, Malik will likely retire after this tournament
 
This is an icc tournament. You dont test players in a tournament.

The guys we have got are waseem jr, sarfraz and haider. Even if they performed against scotland they would had not been playing the semi final
 
I agree playing the same XI just because you won does not make much sense. But right now their the only player I would consider dropping is Hassan Ali.
 
I would have been in favour of giving AUS a trial by spin and playing Nawaz instead of Hasan, would have been a good opportunity to get him a game in today against Scotland.


There is always merit in testing out bench strength even if you are winning match after match. Everybody knows Hasan is the weak link in our attack. Great teams need to assess their performance even if they are winning.
 
Its too late to make any change , ok to continue with same eleven.

Hafeez is a minnow basher , lets see how he does against the big boys . He will be struggling against the pace of Australian fast bowlers and against England too if we made to final.
 
Should have rested shaheen and rizwan for today’s largely inconsequential match.
 
I would have been in favour of giving AUS a trial by spin and playing Nawaz instead of Hasan, would have been a good opportunity to get him a game in today against Scotland.


There is always merit in testing out bench strength even if you are winning match after match. Everybody knows Hasan is the weak link in our attack. Great teams need to assess their performance even if they are winning.

Exactly, this is the point I’m trying to make. We need to be ruthless and cut out any weak link to give us the best chance of winning.
 
Should have rested shaheen and rizwan for today’s largely inconsequential match.

The boys performing need to be backed to go for WC records. Shaheen in particular could increase his wicket tally. Hoping he gets a 5 for
 
Hasan Ali will be a massive liability. Also I believe Haider Ali would have done better than an out of form Fakher. I just don't get how they fail to realize.
 
Also I agree with Nawaz playing against Aus. Three spin options would not be bad against a side who struggles against spin.
 
Some peoples logic: Hassan Ali clearly struggling, will be targeted by the team who won’t fancy spin overs = it doesn’t matter we don’t change winning eleven.
 
Don’t get me wrong if Hassan is playing in the semis which it looks like he will then il of course want him to do well and I hope I’m wrong. But I really think he will be targeted by the Aussies and if he starts to leak runs it won’t stop.
 
You don't change things when you're unbeaten.

You change your approach and tinker with the roles of certain players, such as giving Hasan an over in the powerplay, or introducing certain bowlers at different stages, or shuffling the batting order.
 
only Champion teams make hard decision and are not blinded by wins and look to constantly improve to plug any loophole's. This team has come with a defensive mindset.
 
Just look at Hasan Ali. Getting smashed like a part timer even by these batsmen. He goes for 16 runs when Scot haven't even scored fifty after 10 overs. On top of that he bowled a typical free hit gift no ball. Mediocrity at its all best is Hasan Ali.
 
Don’t get me wrong if Hassan is playing in the semis which it looks like he will then il of course want him to do well and I hope I’m wrong. But I really think he will be targeted by the Aussies and if he starts to leak runs it won’t stop.

He is going for 20+ overs. This guy is what Australians will be targetting and on top of that he bowls so many no balls. Even if he picks up a wicket you will have umpires checking his front foot.
 
only Champion teams make hard decision and are not blinded by wins and look to constantly improve to plug any loophole's. This team has come with a defensive mindset.

No team playing the semi final has made any changes to the XI with the exception of England due to injuries, so is everyone else also playing with a defensive mindset or maybe it's just common sense that you don't change an unbeaten XI 3/4 the way in a tournament
 
No team playing the semi final has made any changes to the XI with the exception of England due to injuries, so is everyone else also playing with a defensive mindset or maybe it's just common sense that you don't change an unbeaten XI 3/4 the way in a tournament

All the teams have made changes in batting order etc and they keep it flexible depending on situation, opposition and surface they play. Pakistan even in an insignificant outing against a minnow can't even
try out a different batting order. When everyone can see there is a big problem in that department

Look at England how they use floaters, Champion team think differently
 
Should have rested some and tried new players.

Sometimes rest is better
 
This obsession with not changing the 11 is really annoying and will cost us. What have you got to gain from not resting Shaheen. Fakhar is clearly out of form it wouldn’t hurt to put Haider Ali in. Why bother even flying out a squad of 15 or however many there are. I think we need to attack Aussies with spin and this would have been perfect opportunity to see Nawaz, see how much spin he gets how threatening he might be on these pitches. Why can’t we just think a little outside the box sometimes.

Obviously this is a stuck-in-a-rut approach that WILL fail at least once. And we have entered into the stage, where failure is not affordable anymore.

But some replies in this thread are amazingly dumb.

"Staying with the winning combo" versus "Making intelligent and logical tweaks in the team to address the changes", are two main approaches, and there is definitely a delicate balance between the two.

Neither approach is 100% guaranteed to work every time - so one MUST be alert and smart enough to see which approach to use when?

In our current situation, we have our main bowlers already gotten tired and somewhat overworked after playing 5 games straight - and that too, just before the Semis. They don't have fresh legs to step into the playoffs.

Then you have continuously seen that your batting line has holes. And I see a blind eye being turned towards it because we have this false sense of being safe and secured under the shelter of an excuse of "stick with winning combo".

Did you see how your ace bowler Shaheen's potency is reduced to half when he bowls in dew?
Do you have a plan how to counter this once we are against top teams and we have to bowl second, when you already know there are holes in the batting line that need to be patched up?

The processes of improvement NEVER ends. And our Think Tanks don't seem to understand this concept.
 
This idea would actually have any relevance if there was someone better on the bench. There isn't. This is the best playing eleven we have.

Posters such as yourself always have a reason to complain, even when we are the only unbeaten team in the tournament.

Even the greatest teams in the world don't have every single player performing simultaneously. What is important is that Hasan Ali and Fakhar Zaman are match-winners who possess the ability to even single-handedly win matches for Pakistan. That's why they are there, and that's why they should be there.
 
In our current situation, we have our main bowlers already gotten tired and somewhat overworked after playing 5 games straight - and that too, just before the Semis. They don't have fresh legs to step into the playoffs.

5 x 4 = 20 overs bowled across 14 days. I think they can manage.
 
This idea would actually have any relevance if there was someone better on the bench. There isn't. This is the best playing eleven we have.

Posters such as yourself always have a reason to complain, even when we are the only unbeaten team in the tournament.

Even the greatest teams in the world don't have every single player performing simultaneously. What is important is that Hasan Ali and Fakhar Zaman are match-winners who possess the ability to even single-handedly win matches for Pakistan. That's why they are there, and that's why they should be there.

Yes we are unbeaten and of course I am happy about this, but that does not mean we cannot improve, I’m of the opinion that there is nothing wrong with being dynamic even with a winning 11.

For example Hassan Ali, after one bad game it would have been wrong to drop him after winning. However Hasan Ali has not performed in each game, hence this game was a good opportunity to see how Nawaz plays on these pitches to maximise our bowling unit efficiency.
 
This is World Cup. Not an exhibition game.

Good choice to play with full strength.
 
They have to play with their first teamm espically whilst they are winning.
 
This is World Cup. Not an exhibition game.

Good choice to play with full strength.

I don’t think you understood the points made, playing some bench players is not to show exhibition but to ensure what is the best 11 for the crucial game.
 
I think Hasan should be used in middle overs and if hes doing well use him again later ... But if he leaks runs and takes no wicket better have a plan B ready for some other player to bowl the remaining 3 overs of his..
 
This idea would actually have any relevance if there was someone better on the bench. There isn't. This is the best playing eleven we have.

Posters such as yourself always have a reason to complain, even when we are the only unbeaten team in the tournament.

Even the greatest teams in the world don't have every single player performing simultaneously. What is important is that Hasan Ali and Fakhar Zaman are match-winners who possess the ability to even single-handedly win matches for Pakistan. That's why they are there, and that's why they should be there.

Group B was much easier than Group A. I highly doubt Pakistan would have been unbeaten had we been in that group. Their is room for improvement.
 
In our current situation, we have our main bowlers already gotten tired and somewhat overworked after playing 5 games straight - and that too, just before the Semis. They don't have fresh legs to step into the playoffs.

Their is no reason why any of them should be tired. They had 4 full days off between the Nambia and Scotland match. They will get another 3 days off until the Semifinal.
 
Ideally yes, but it's not just 4 overs. 40 overs a game comes to roughly about 100 overs of fielding in dripping hot UAE weather. It drains you out.
Are you serious?? The bowlers haven't batted, how can they be out 40 overs. Regardless we have been playing evening games in November UAE weather which is equal if not better than regular daytime cricket season weather for all our players. In fact they have played much more hectic days like tests, psl, odi, etc in worse UAE weather months in the past. If anything, the western teams may be feeling the heat but can't imagine that is an issue for asian teams in this world cup.
 
Are you serious?? The bowlers haven't batted, how can they be out 40 overs. Regardless we have been playing evening games in November UAE weather which is equal if not better than regular daytime cricket season weather for all our players. In fact they have played much more hectic days like tests, psl, odi, etc in worse UAE weather months in the past. If anything, the western teams may be feeling the heat but can't imagine that is an issue for asian teams in this world cup.

20 overs per innings for the fielding side, 5 games straight, that’s about 100 overs on the ground.
But yeah, let’s hope so.

We need absolute full intensity from our bowlers in the playoffs, as bowling is our strongest suit.

Let’s hope the bowlers are fully energetic.
 
This is an icc tournament. You dont test players in a tournament.

The guys we have got are waseem jr, sarfraz and haider. Even if they performed against scotland they would had not been playing the semi final

SPOT ON, even at Grade level you don't expose Kids at the biggest stage. Stick to your PLAN , don't change it . Pak just need 2 big matches to claim title. Experiments around squad are for Bilateral series
 
It is not an obsession. It is a strategy and the correct one.

You pick your best XI - no point playing someone just for the sake of it. And it is T20, Shaheen has to bowl 4 overs so please don't bring 'rest' into it. It's 4 overs.
 
I'd be pleasantly surprised if Pakistan makes a last minute change and bring in Nawaz or even Mohammed Wasim to catch the Aussies off guard. Pretty sure Australin batsmen have a plan worked out against Hassan as he's clearly the weaker link. Brining someone else in place of Hassan could be a master stroke.
 
SPOT ON, even at Grade level you don't expose Kids at the biggest stage. Stick to your PLAN , don't change it . Pak just need 2 big matches to claim title. Experiments around squad are for Bilateral series

Yes but each match has exposed a key weakness for Pakistan: Hasan Ali. He was hit for 40 runs just a couple matches back. The Aussies may rip him apart and Asif Ali or Malik will not play these innings all the time.

So it would have made sense at the time for Pakistan to have at least tried Wasim Jr.
 
There is a saying 'If it ain't broke don't fix it." Pakistan have a very balanced team. Yes Hassan is not at his best and Fakhar looks scratchy. But they are match winners don't forget that. Putting a new player now is not advisable unless someone is injured. I have heard about Haider Ali, but he looked like a brainless slugger in the CPL. Better you stick with Fakhar, Haider will get his chance in the future.
 
It is not an obsession. It is a strategy and the correct one.

You pick your best XI - no point playing someone just for the sake of it. And it is T20, Shaheen has to bowl 4 overs so please don't bring 'rest' into it. It's 4 overs.

“Your best XI”?
How do you know this?

Who knows if Haider Ali had scored more runs than Fakhar or Nawaz had taken more wickets than Shadab?

The structure of “your best XI” changes from game to game depending upon the quality of opposition and playing conditions.
 
Some people have made valid points on my thread regarding resting Shaheen I.e only four overs etc. I can see some fair points here not to play Haider in Scotland game ahead of Fakhar. But I want you guys to answer the simple question , who will simply have more impact against Australia- Hasan Ali or Nawaz. Those who say Nawaz or even say 50/50, wouldn’t it make sense for him to have got some game time against Scotland so we / management team can see what form he’s at and then you decide between the two.
 
“Your best XI”?
How do you know this?

Who knows if Haider Ali had scored more runs than Fakhar or Nawaz had taken more wickets than Shadab?

The structure of “your best XI” changes from game to game depending upon the quality of opposition and playing conditions.

We know our best XI because we have watched this group of players play before - even before this world cup. This combination has worked well for us, so no point in changing it just for the sake of it. If there was an injury or if someone was really playing badly then fine but otherwise this is our combination, it is working so stick with it.
 
Resting Shaheen ok fair opinion but what about players who are clearly struggling.

Our "keep the winning combo" brigade is not even open to look into the possibility of a player could possibly be struggling?

The common sense that "one needs to continuously improve" in order to cope with the dynamics of an ever changing factors in the game, is trumped by putting a blind faith into "Keep the winning combo".
 
I think at this late stage now and before a semi final, it probably isn't wise to change the XI. I do have concerns over a couple of players heading into the game. Hasan Ali really needs to turn up when it truly counts as there is no doubt the Aussies will see him as the weak link and target him.
 
I think at this late stage now and before a semi final, it probably isn't wise to change the XI. I do have concerns over a couple of players heading into the game. Hasan Ali really needs to turn up when it truly counts as there is no doubt the Aussies will see him as the weak link and target him.

That’s why I’m complaining of letting go of a exclusive opportunity an almost a practice free game against Scotland and not seeing if someone is up for replacing Hassan Ali
 
The saying you don't change a winning team in cricket is undervalued.

For once we have a management that looks like it knows what it is doing and we're finally seeing some consistency in the selection and this is translating into performances on the field.

Professionalism is not a word associated with the Pakistan cricket but in this tournament they have been thoroughly professional. This is not only my view but the view of the exporters.

The players have gelled, they know their roles and there is no screaming at players for a midfield or W look of disgust when a bowler balls bad a ball.
Unique for a Pakistani team especially across five games.

So the approach is perfectly fine from a cricketing perspective.

Coming to the individual players, every batsmen has contributed in at least one game except for Fakhar.
However, Fakhar is one of our best fielders and certainly the best boundary rider in the squad.
Also he is now an experienced player whose played in and performed in big matches. So it would have been absurd to drop him before the semis.

Coming to the bowlers, after yesterday's game they would have spent 120 overs in the field over 14 days.
That's absolutely no time at all. So the resting element doesn't come into it. It's also not helpful from a physiological point of view. A rookie comes in for say Shaheen and picks up three or four wickets against a Namibia or Scotland, does that mean he replaces Shaheen?

Hasan Ali is seen as the weak link but he's been superb in 2021 and you can see that he's getting his rhythm back. People seem to forget that, even when he's been hit for runs, he's still managed to pick up wickets. How often has he picked up a wicket in his first over in this tournament? I can remember stkeast twice, once being against India.
He also brings energy to the field and ran out Williamson when Williamson was set. He did this on his follow through. He also has a bucket load of experience behind him.

Looks at the Aussies. Warner couldn't hit a run in the IPL and looked out of form in this tournament, but did the Aussies drop him? What was his last score?

So people might say don't change a winning team, there is a reason for it. It's cricket 101
 
The saying you don't change a winning team in cricket is undervalued.

For once we have a management that looks like it knows what it is doing and we're finally seeing some consistency in the selection and this is translating into performances on the field.

Professionalism is not a word associated with the Pakistan cricket but in this tournament they have been thoroughly professional. This is not only my view but the view of the exporters.

The players have gelled, they know their roles and there is no screaming at players for a midfield or W look of disgust when a bowler balls bad a ball.
Unique for a Pakistani team especially across five games.

So the approach is perfectly fine from a cricketing perspective.

Coming to the individual players, every batsmen has contributed in at least one game except for Fakhar.
However, Fakhar is one of our best fielders and certainly the best boundary rider in the squad.
Also he is now an experienced player whose played in and performed in big matches. So it would have been absurd to drop him before the semis.

Coming to the bowlers, after yesterday's game they would have spent 120 overs in the field over 14 days.
That's absolutely no time at all. So the resting element doesn't come into it. It's also not helpful from a physiological point of view. A rookie comes in for say Shaheen and picks up three or four wickets against a Namibia or Scotland, does that mean he replaces Shaheen?

Hasan Ali is seen as the weak link but he's been superb in 2021 and you can see that he's getting his rhythm back. People seem to forget that, even when he's been hit for runs, he's still managed to pick up wickets. How often has he picked up a wicket in his first over in this tournament? I can remember stkeast twice, once being against India.
He also brings energy to the field and ran out Williamson when Williamson was set. He did this on his follow through. He also has a bucket load of experience behind him.

Looks at the Aussies. Warner couldn't hit a run in the IPL and looked out of form in this tournament, but did the Aussies drop him? What was his last score?

So people might say don't change a winning team, there is a reason for it. It's cricket 101


Not that I completely disagree with you would like to speak about few of the Highlighted points.

1. "Don't change the winning combination" This is not undervalued this is called as "Zero Analysis'
being blind and shut out any room for improvement. This has been the most absurd adage used
to keep many youngsters's from getting any International exposure and keep seniors happy in
Pakistan for decades.

A Team winning doesn't mean that all the components are working fine and their is no guarantee
that they will against different opposition, surface etc. Same tactics doesn't work all the time against
all opposition. I am all for showing full faith in members who are under performing and avoid constant
chopping however Great team always keep their eyes and ears open and flexibility is the name of the
game. For. e.g look at Champion team England, they use Moen Ali as floater

I marvel at the decision of Putting Fakhar at no.3 on these surfaces. Data shows that Fakhar like ball
to come on the bat. He plays pace with ease and scores in foreign surfaces but his Record in UAE is
very mediocre. What is the requirement from no.3 the most important batting position in Cricket

Someone, Who can play pace and spin equally well, has a game which can provide both solidity and
aggression depending on the situation. No.3 must be able to play risk free cricket and still able to
rotate strike and punish loose balls. Now, who comes in your mind ?? Babar, but he will play as
opener. Fakhar can never be comfortable starting his inning against spin and he has failed.

Did, the team thought of shuffling him either as opener or as a finisher at no.5 where he can come
and whack the ball. I am shocked by how rigid has been the approach of Pakistan that they have not
even altered the batting order to figure out how a struggling player will perform at different number.

That's is called as wasted opportunity when you have already qualified and getting a free practice
game against likes of scotland.

Coming to what if someone else succeed , that's great so if you have an injury to looking for other
option based on opposition then you will have a ready option and you can be quite confident about
your decision This is called as contingency.

Champion teams are only obsessed about Winning and are ruthless about success. Some other team
would have dealt with the situation differently. If fakhar is struggling at no.3 and you want to give him
confidence then you can put him to open in an insignificant game. Similarly if you know lower order
batters like Imad and shahdab had very little time in the middle but in a knock out game any situation
can arise then you might shuffle your batting order and try to give them a move.

All these are Zero risk experimentation but reap rich dividend as you are getting into knock out stages
where margins for error are very small and opposition will look to exploit every tiny weakness
 
Not experimenting even against namibia and scotland was actually a very dumb decision. They could have tested other bowlers in place of hasan who bowled poorly throughout the tournament or could have also rested shahin. Even asif ali could have been promoted up against these teams so that he could have spent some more time on crease and have some batting practice. All the Pakistani teams since from the start misbah era are really very stiff in their thinking.
 
Not experimenting even against namibia and scotland was actually a very dumb decision. They could have tested other bowlers in place of hasan who bowled poorly throughout the tournament or could have also rested shahin. Even asif ali could have been promoted up against these teams so that he could have spent some more time on crease and have some batting practice. All the Pakistani teams since from the start misbah era are really very stiff in their thinking.

na ji na.
Blindly stick with the winning combo, and shut the possibility of any improvement, tweaks and adjustments, regardless of taking all the factors that are changed in every upcoming game.
 
Haider Ali should have been in the XI right from the first game instead of Hafeez and Malik.

He was in good form . You always need to play your in form players
 
As "Colorblind G" has been posting on numerous occasions nawaz should have played as Imad has a very poor record against Warner plus Nawaz can actually turn the ball.

Going further, Pakistan must consider only those spinners who can turn it bowl slow and take wickets
Wouldn't be a bad idea to go with nawaz, shahdab and usman kadir, This is the template used by kohli
so successfully using chahal and Kuldeep.
 
I was at the game today and I saw how Hassan Ali reacted after he finished his 3rd over. He was completely spent and shd never have been bowled the fourth over. Imad must have completed his quota of 4 overs though the result could still have been same but Hassan Ali was struggling more so physically than mentally. Hassan Ali just didn’t want it. It was such a strange decision by Babar to bowl Hasan another over when he had absolutely no vigor left in him. I just knew it there and then that it was game over for us. Even the catch that Hassan dropped was because he took a lot of time to react and he cdnt reach the ball when any other fielder would have swallowed it 9 out of 10 times.
 
Not that I completely disagree with you would like to speak about few of the Highlighted points.

1. "Don't change the winning combination" This is not undervalued this is called as "Zero Analysis'
being blind and shut out any room for improvement. This has been the most absurd adage used
to keep many youngsters's from getting any International exposure and keep seniors happy in
Pakistan for decades.

A Team winning doesn't mean that all the components are working fine and their is no guarantee
that they will against different opposition, surface etc. Same tactics doesn't work all the time against
all opposition. I am all for showing full faith in members who are under performing and avoid constant
chopping however Great team always keep their eyes and ears open and flexibility is the name of the
game. For. e.g look at Champion team England, they use Moen Ali as floater

I marvel at the decision of Putting Fakhar at no.3 on these surfaces. Data shows that Fakhar like ball
to come on the bat. He plays pace with ease and scores in foreign surfaces but his Record in UAE is
very mediocre. What is the requirement from no.3 the most important batting position in Cricket

Someone, Who can play pace and spin equally well, has a game which can provide both solidity and
aggression depending on the situation. No.3 must be able to play risk free cricket and still able to
rotate strike and punish loose balls. Now, who comes in your mind ?? Babar, but he will play as
opener. Fakhar can never be comfortable starting his inning against spin and he has failed.

Did, the team thought of shuffling him either as opener or as a finisher at no.5 where he can come
and whack the ball. I am shocked by how rigid has been the approach of Pakistan that they have not
even altered the batting order to figure out how a struggling player will perform at different number.

That's is called as wasted opportunity when you have already qualified and getting a free practice
game against likes of scotland.

Coming to what if someone else succeed , that's great so if you have an injury to looking for other
option based on opposition then you will have a ready option and you can be quite confident about
your decision This is called as contingency.

Champion teams are only obsessed about Winning and are ruthless about success. Some other team
would have dealt with the situation differently. If fakhar is struggling at no.3 and you want to give him
confidence then you can put him to open in an insignificant game. Similarly if you know lower order
batters like Imad and shahdab had very little time in the middle but in a knock out game any situation
can arise then you might shuffle your batting order and try to give them a move.

All these are Zero risk experimentation but reap rich dividend as you are getting into knock out stages
where margins for error are very small and opposition will look to exploit every tiny weakness

Let me begin by saying apologies but I haven't read your entire post.

The logic for sticking to the same side was fine.

Today was a calamity for several reasons most of which revolves around poor captaincy and a management.
Sending out Malik when the quirks were on and when everybody and their dog knows that Malik can't play quick bowling.

Knowing that Shaheen for the ball swinging in the first over snd then inexplicably picking Imad to bowl the second over against a batsman who had a strike rate of 200 against him coming into this game.

Bowling Shaheen in the 19th over against a left hander when Shaheen has a poor record against left handers. Bowling Rauf would have been a far better option. They just couldn't hit him in his previous over and was inducing false shots.

Sticking with Fakhar paid dividends today but unfortunately Hasan was a let down with the ball. Although I think he should have taken the second over where his away swingers (to the right handers) could have helped him pick up an early wicket.

I don't think we lost today because of the selections. The executions and in game management is what let us down today.
 
I was at the game today and I saw how Hassan Ali reacted after he finished his 3rd over. He was completely spent and shd never have been bowled the fourth over. Imad must have completed his quota of 4 overs though the result could still have been same but Hassan Ali was struggling more so physically than mentally. Hassan Ali just didn’t want it. It was such a strange decision by Babar to bowl Hasan another over when he had absolutely no vigor left in him. I just knew it there and then that it was game over for us. Even the catch that Hassan dropped was because he took a lot of time to react and he cdnt reach the ball when any other fielder would have swallowed it 9 out of 10 times.

Also I don't think they did their homework on Stoinis or Wade.
Spin was definitely the way to go with them.
 
They should have made changes against Ninimbia like I stated in another thread.
 
Also I don't think they did their homework on Stoinis or Wade.
Spin was definitely the way to go with them.

The way Stoinis was playing, it wd hv been difficult for even Imad to contain him but chances needed to be taken there knowing Hasan Ali wasn’t 100% or he shd hv kept Hasan Ali for 20th over.
 
Warner was just waiting for Imad to bowl, yet Imad didn’t even come up with any plan for him
 
The way Stoinis was playing, it wd hv been difficult for even Imad to contain him but chances needed to be taken there knowing Hasan Ali wasn’t 100% or he shd hv kept Hasan Ali for 20th over.

Hafeez or Imad should have come in earlier.
Once Shadab finished his spell another spinner should have been brought on.

Maxwell was out when they were in the 90's... that's when it should have been spin from both ends.
 
Stupid mentality to keep playing same eleven even when it was obvious that Hasan Ali is THE weak link in the side
 
Hafeez or Imad should have come in earlier.
Once Shadab finished his spell another spinner should have been brought on.

Maxwell was out when they were in the 90's... that's when it should have been spin from both ends.

Exactly that was the moment we shd hv put a squeeze on scoring by either bowling Imad his last or trying Malik for an over or 2. On a side note, I just cdnt believe how badly hafeez bowled today, I don’t know how it looked on TV but his balls were hardly reaching the batsmen. I don’t know whether he was over-odd by the situation or it was deliberate.
 
Exactly that was the moment we shd hv put a squeeze on scoring by either bowling Imad his last or trying Malik for an over or 2. On a side note, I just cdnt believe how badly hafeez bowled today, I don’t know how it looked on TV but his balls were hardly reaching the batsmen. I don’t know whether he was over-odd by the situation or it was deliberate.

Hafeez is a leech. He was unfit to play but he still played. He is a sore loser and should be booted from any form of cricket.
 
I'd be pleasantly surprised if Pakistan makes a last minute change and bring in Nawaz or even Mohammed Wasim to catch the Aussies off guard. Pretty sure Australin batsmen have a plan worked out against Hassan as he's clearly the weaker link. Brining someone else in place of Hassan could be a master stroke.

Been saying it all along. Hassan was the weak link in the end that cost us the game. Pakistan had 2/3 easy games to workout a good replacement for him but they weren't willing to accept their mistakes.
 
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