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The Official POTW Nominations Thread!

I would like to nominate Post 17 in it is an absolute must to play Ehsan instead of Gul for 3rd Test.This piece was hard hitting.
 
I would like to nominate any of the world class posts by soso_killer from this thread:
http:.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?p=5575324&posted=1#post5575324

The title of the thread is: Only possible solution for 2nd Test
 
The Official POTW and QOTW Nominations Thread!

Guys please post all your nominations for POTW in this thread!

Also, please keep this thread serious! It's not here so posters can ask other posters to nominate each others posts!
If your post is good enough it will get nominated without you asking!

This thread is given top priority when announcing POTW, however if there have not been any nominations there is no point complaining once the winner has been announced - it is not fair on the winner!
 
I would like to nominate Wronggun's post from the Fantasy matchup thread!

http://pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?p=5734378#post5734378

The Wrong Uns


Player.................Era.............Matches.... .....Runs..........HS............Average.......... .100........50

Graeme Smith.......2010s............110.............8753. ..........277.......... 48.62...............26..........37

Matty Hayden.......1990s...........103..............8625 ............380..........50.73..............30.... .....29

George Headley.....1940s...........22..............2190.. ..........270*..........60.83..............10..... ......5

Ken Barrington......1950s............82..............6 806.............256............58.63.............2 0...........35

Clive Lloyd (vc)......1960s..........110..............7515.... ........242*..........46.67.............19........ ...39

Imran Khan (c) .....1980s.............88...............3807...... ......136............37.69...............6........ ....18

AB DeVilliers (wk) ..2010s..........85...............6364............ .278*..........50.50..............16............32

Saqlain Mushtaq....2000s..........49................927... ..........101*...........14.48...............1.... .........2

Andy Roberts...........1970s.........47..............76 2................68..............14.94............ ..0.............3

Clarrie Grimmett.....1930s........37...................557 ..............50............13.92............0.... ............1

Joel Garner...........1980s............58 …..............672................60...........12. 44.............0...............1



Imran Khan is the key to this team. During the 80s he was clearly the best bowler in the world ( http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...ry/484478.html ) for average and strike rate, despite bowling more often on tough pitches.

As an allrounder, well the 80s is acknowledged as the best era for all-rounders- Kapil, Hadlee, Botham etc. The difference between batting avg & bowling avg is a good test of who is a good allrounder- Imran was almost twice as good in this stat than any of these other allrounders during the 80s (http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...ry/484478.html ). In my view, he was as good as Sobers (Sobers the ultimate batting all-rounder, Imran the ultimate bowling all-rounder).

In 48 tests as captain he averaged 50+ with the bat. 48 tests is a long period to sustain that and shows his true worth as a batsman. In fact, he averaged 70+ for his last 3 years in test cricket. So whilst his career average isn't great, in this case it doesn't clearly reveal his true ability.

His man management, motivation and tactical nous were second to none. Imran is the captain, heart & soul of this team. When the going got tough, Imran got tougher- we see this in his captaincy record vs the WI (yes, the great, rampaging WI of 80s); they never beat Pakistan in a series under Imran, in 3 different attempts despite steamrolling all others. This showed his ability to lift what was on paper a much inferior team than WI, to greater heights. With this team of world beaters, he'd be unstoppable. Even if they were in trouble, his Cornered Tigers speech would rouse them up!


The batting


Openers- Two big bruisers, both excellent players of fast bowling (Smith making most of his runs on the greenest pitches in the world & Hayden growing up at the Gabba) who also found ways to be effective against spin, in fact Hayden dominated some of the atg spinners (Kumble & Baji) at their peak in their own backyards.

Hayden is the more aggressive, a brutal puller & driver, at one time the holder of the WR test score (380). Whilst Smith is leg-side dominant & an accumulator. Smith is one of the all time great 4th innings chasers ( http://www.thesightscreen.com/statis...gs-specialist/ )- Perth '08 in that WR chase of 414 being just one of them.

Both avg 50 or near to as openers, but these aren't just good on paper, they're legends, winners. Hayden was part of an atg team and the stronger half of an atg opening pair. Smith has taken “the chokers” SA and turned them into world beaters by sheer force of personality. Smith is the bravest player in world cricket, I was at the SCG the day he came out to bat with a broken hand against a rampaging Johnson (in that golden summer that Johnson swung the ball & broke bones & wickets in almost equal measure) to a standing ovation. Spine tingling stuff.

First drop- His fans say George Headley wasn't the black Bradman at all, in fact Bradman was the white Headley! Incredible average of 60+, incredible ratio of 100s to 50s.

Unlike other players (Bradman aside) with great averages, who often played only a short period, Headley maintained that 60+ average over 3 different decades and 24 years of test cricket. No one season flash in the pan here, so despite relatively few matches we get a true gauge of performance over time.

Headley was a giant in a weak team, carrying them & often in to face the new ball. He actually preferred playing on bad wickets ("On a bad wicket, it was you and the bowler...no nonsense." ) & was regarded as far superior to his contemporary Bradman in this regard .(James, C. L. R. (1983) [1963]. Beyond a Boundary. London: Serpent's Tail. ISBN 1-85242-358-7..) A good #3 can rebuild or attack. Headley is a great #3.

Middle order


Barrington is my middle order glue, rebuilder and fighter. Headley, Lloyd & co can play all the shots around him while he plays the anchor. There has never been a more succesful grafter, not even AB or S Waugh match his numbers (against the legendary Millers, Lindwalls, Pollocks, Halls & co of the era too). 20 test tons average 58+ with only 15 not outs (from 82 tests) is nothing to be sneezed at. He's one of the most under-rated players in the game.

Although renowned as a careful grafter, he actually had all the shots & once scored a century in just over a session and several times brought up a test century with a six (showing a cheeky sense of humour too). Also a great character, well loved and very funny (once said his perferct over would be to hit five 4s & a 3 to keep the strike!).
Could he play spin? Well , he averaged near a hundred in India, 75+ in Pakistan and played Benaud & Tayfield better than anyone.

Clive Lloyd. The supercat. Lloyd was a huge man, enormously powerful and a good man too (damaged his eyes breaking up a fight, hence his huge glasses but never let it hold him back). A natural leader & good tactician (plotted WI rise to greatness), Lloyd is my VC and middle order destroyer.

Quote:
“At his best Lloyd was a flamboyant destroyer of bowling. His heavy bat, powerful shoulders and full swing of the arms could turn the course of any game, once scoring 201* in just 120 minutes against Glamorgan - equalling the record for the fastest ever first-class double hundred (1976). “
Quote:
“... I can see the most frighteningly percussive shot of my cricket life as if it were yesterday. It was Old Trafford, and Wayne Daniel was bowling from the Stretford End to Lloyd. The ball, high-velocity and "heavy", was delivered with a heave, a grunt and a massive follow-through that scraped his right knuckle on the turf. Just as well because Hubert swung his bat, connected prodigiously from a spot on the blade so sweet it was a danger to diabetics,...
On it screamed, low trajectory, until it splintered the sightscreen and rebounded back into play. …”
Could he play spin? Lloyd played 20 tests in Asia and averaged 60+.
Could he play pace? C'mon mon, he's WI captain & averaged 50+ against Oz attacks of Lillee, Thommo & co.

Imran. Described previously, Imran is versatile enough to play any role with the bat. He had the technique to play the new ball, consolidate if nescessary and a better ODI SR than Greenidge & Miandad (same era legends) showed he could accelerate if needs be.

AB DeVilliers. A freakishly talented bat (& sportsman in general). DeVilliers is an aggressive, creative batsman, just as good against pace as spin. Like a Gilchrist, an hour of DeVilliers in the right mood can steal a game away. Makes runs when they count, against big opponents and plays spin well (averages 60 in asia without bashing BD).
6000+ test runs, 16 test tons, averaging 50 and aged only 29, DeVilliers is a legend already and will end up the most prolific keeper/bat of all time IMO (sorry Sangga).


The bowling


Player...............Era.............Matches...... ...Wkts..........Best..........Average...........5 w.......10w

Imran Khan.......1980s.............88.................36 2...........8/58......... 22.81...............23...........16

Andy Roberts.......1970s..........47..............202.. ..........7.54...........25.61.................11. ........2

Joel Garner........1970s............58..............259 .............6/56..........20.97.................7.........0

Clarrie Grimmett.1940s..........37.............216........ ....7/40............24.21.....................21........ 7

Saqlain Mushtaq.2000s..........45..............208........ ....8/164..........29.83.................13............3

With 5 genuine bowlers, including 2 spinners it means no need to use part timers at all. And even if I did need a partnership breaker I have Lloyd with 114 FC wickets at 36 bowling medium & Barrington with 273 FC wickets at 32 (yes, 273 at 32!) bowling leggies.

Imran leads the attack. Stats described previously, a master of swing, seam & reverse, express pace, the complete bowler, he'll open the bowling & return later with the old ball to destroy with reverse swing.

With 2 spinners & Andy Roberts for the long spells, Imran will be free to bowl shorter spells at express pace as the main strike weapon & preserve his batting.

Andy Roberts shares the new ball. He had it all, pace, stamina and the ability to work a batsman out mentally.
Quote:
“Deadpan and deadly. Wicket or boundary, not a flicker of emotion would be evident save a gunslinger's narrowing of the eyes. Andy Roberts kept his emotions in check. But under the veneer was an intelligent cricketer with a fertile brain, plotting and planning the downfall of batsmen as if it were a military campaign. The modern West Indian game based on the heavy artillery of fast bowlers, that served so well for a quarter of a century, began with him. Here was a bowler whose pace came from timing, with power from a huge pair of shoulders. His bouncer was regarded as one of the most dangerous. He varied its pace, often setting batsmen up with a slower one and then poleaxing them when they were late on the quickie. “
At the time, Roberts was the quickest bowler ever (in years) to 100 test wickets. He was just as brilliant where it swung (avg 20 in England) and where it didn't (avg <20 in India).

No relief at first change, with Joel Garner. The Big Bird.
Quote:
“Batsmen would say that the overriding feeling when first confronted by the Big Bird was that he would trample on them such was the foreshortening effect of his 6ft 8 inches. Delivered from the clouds it seemed, and at a lively pace that when the mood took could be cranked up to the brisk side of rapid, the ball would rear alarmingly from barely short of a length. Allied to that was the most devastating toe crunching yorker the game had seen... Of the top wicket-takers, few have a lower average than his parsimonious 20.98 “
I made it a point with my team to select players who could thrive in all conditions & Garner is no different, just as good in asia as anywhere else. Accuracy & yorkers work all around the world.

Clarrie Grimmet is key to my spin attack and arguably the greatest leggie of all time. He dismissed Bradman on the regular (ten times no less!) and the Don kept Clarrie in his all time teams despite the rise of Warne, such was his admiration. Grimmet was famously tight & accurate but was a true strike bowler taking 6 wickets per test and the first bowler to ever take 200 test wickets. His ratio of 5 wicket innings/10 wicket matches to games played is incredible, just look at it up there, it's better than Murali's! Not like he was a one man wonder with no competitio for wickets either, he played with Tiger O'Reilly.

Warne had a good flipper, Clarrie Grimmett invented it.
Quote:
“Grimmett's influence on the thousands who watched him and later read about him was profound and secure for all time, especially in days of spin drought. Now, slow wrist bowlers are a threatened species. Then, Grimmett was one of many - but unmatched in skill and temperament. He became, quite simply, a legend”
A true master he could vary his style to the pitch
Quote:
“When the wicket was unresponsive he roundarmed to a teasing length, often at the leg stump; he could use looping, swerving flight... dropping the ball two feet short of the batsman's expectation; he closely analysed the opposition man by man, as if he were a demolition contractor, though their downfall he executed by guile, not violence.“
Saqlain. We already have the inventor of the flipper, now we have the pioneer of the Doosra. Averaging almost the same home & away, Saqlain got the nod for my team for two reasons.
1; by being effective (avg 34) even in the great graveyard of off-spin bowling; Australia. And this was at their peak, late 90s to early 00s.
2; by being good against the best. Many spinners struggle against the Indian masters, but Saqlain excelled against their best ever lineups.

208 test wickets, 4+ wickets per test, economy 2.6 in the modern era. Saqlains average is high but the volume of wickets & sheer number of of 5 wicket hauls/10w matches make him a matchwinner in his own right.

Five bowlers in the team, greatest quick of the 80's, fastest man to 100 wickets, first man ever to 200 wickets, Big Bird averaging 20 at first change and Teesra will tell you I've no bowling. He's having a laugh.


The opposition.

The opposition don't have any full time openers. Read that gain. No. Openers.

His “most experienced” opener, Worrell has a grand total of 4 matches opening. Compton never opened in tests. That should end this match right there, not picking any openers is a laughable and terrible error. You're going to send part time openers in against Imran, Roberts & Garner? Good luck, you'll need it. This isn't some T20 lark where there are no slips or gullys & edges get away, this is test cricket.

That plays right into my hands, with 2 spinners able to then come on against unset batsmen and an exposed middle order (& we all know how much Ponting enjoys facing offpsin straight up...).

Dennis Compton (& I do hope in light of this he didn't intend him as a makeshift opener) is weak against pace; in Oz, NZ & SA he averaged in the 30s. Mediocre. Against Imran, Roberts & Garner, playing completely out of position he's a sitting duck.

Amla is suspect against spin. He's cashed in against an India without any great spinners but averages in the 20s in Pakistan & WI, in the 30s in BD and in the teens in SL. Grimmet & Saqlain will rip him out once that pitch shows a hint of turn.


Teesra's team do not have near enough bowling.
No genuine allrounder & Shoaib in the line-up means that after his second 4 over spell (Hayden always did dominate Shoaib) when Shoaib is all blown out & no good for the rest of the day, Wasim, Lillee & Tayfield have to get through 27 overs each (good luck on the next day & rest of match) or bowl part timers. He either grinds his strike bowlers into donkeys or bowls donkeys themselves. And in Ken Barrington, I have the perfect grinding machine.

This is another crucial mistake, it's at this point that Teesra loses control of the innings. Part timers vs Hayden, Headley, Lloyd and DeVilliers- it will be a game of long distance fetch I tell you!

Lillee is no good on dead tracks- averaged 100 in Pakistan, 35 in SL & never bothered to play in India.

Johnny Wardle was 2nd choice to Laker & then Locke his whole career and took only 3 wickets per test. Even my allrounder took 4 wickets a test. As 2nd choice Wardle only played as a second spinner- only in matches most suitable for spin, inflating his statistics.

He's also not selected a keeper. So he has a complete amateur trying to keep to his mystery spinner and catch Donalds 145k rockets, great planning. Ponting never kept in domestics unless someone broke a bone midmatch, he's not a keeper and certainly not among this company.

Sorry Teesra but your team selection is a shambles from start to finish.
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^ I agree with this, very good post, but still think Teesra's team is better though.
 
Probably not going to win but why not give it a shot. My post in the thread by Gotham Cronie Nasir Jamshed 120 runs at Average of 12 and SR 58.54 , This is Post/reply #35 in the thread.

I htink its just lack of form. You cant label him as an FTB just yet if that were the case his performance in the presidents cup would have been much bettar. I seem to remember Hafeez not scoring a single 50 for what 10 matches yet the team management persisted with him till his form came back.
If the problem is that he is not good against the moving ball remember the first ODI against india, Bhuvi was a menace in that match yet he stuck it out against him. Beside I think the CT will be played on flat tracks. And just as a reminder in all three dismissals in ODIs against SA it was never movement or the bowler that beat him he gave his wicket away.First 2 ODIs tried to run the ball down to the third man with the slip in place straight in to the hands of the slip fielder next ODI slightly slower bowl by Tsotsobe( around 120ks I remember) tried to hit it over cover again but couldnt get enough power in the shot and got caught. In all the ODIs he looked quite good up till his dismissals.

So I think it was lack of confidence that got him. He was dropped after two tests and he scored more runs in 1 innings(46) than Hafeez scored in the entire test series and in that innings he looked set to score big but got excited and gave his wicket away.

Persist with him aLittle longer give him confidence. Play him in the warm up matches one good innings could bring his form back.
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Thanks for the reward! When will the 3 change to a 4? :P
 
Some great candidates this week

rhnmirza
Playing for Pakistan is not a right, it's a Privilege!
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=180033

waqas94
A detailed analysis of Pakistan’s batting performance in the ICC Champions Trophy
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=180174

cricguru
Rebuilding phase for the Pakistan team
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=180192

Reverselap
Not just a selection problem
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=180403

Hard to choose from these. Did I miss any? Be sure to nominate them in this thread!
 
The Official POTW and QOTW Nominations Thread!

Thank you bhai :D


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Always wanted that QOTW beside the POTW :(
 
Well you don't just get it, you have to actually make a good post
 
Should have gotten QOTW for the poem, brilliant stuff! :14:

And hmm tough luck on the POTW's though, should have gotten one for the second link you sent.

:14:
 
PB said:
Should have gotten QOTW for the poem, brilliant stuff! :14:

And hmm tough luck on the POTW's though, should have gotten one for the second link you sent.

:14:
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Thanks!

I was on the unlucky side, though. :(

PB said:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=178269
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=163667
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=161348
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=140162

These are the four that won me the POTW.
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Brilliant posts! Each one of them deserved POTW. :)
 
Since people are nominating own posts, I will nominate my post from this thread

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=181338

Post no 57



Indiafan said:
I seriously don't understand the concept of batting for the team vs batting for oneself stuff and I have only heard Pakistani batsmen and fans come up with this. If an Indian bowler comes up and says, I bowl for the team not myself so my average is high, etc, he would be laughed out. Batting is just you and the ball and purely instinctive. There is nothing called playing for this and that. You either bat like what comes naturally to you or you get out. When you try something un-natural, that's when you get stuck without scoring and then get out slogging

I don't understand why Pakistani fans think batting is some science or there are different types of batting. It's just like bowling, an off spinner bowls off spin, a pace bowler wants to bowl fast. You will not ask for one to bowl like other "for the team". Similarly a batsman sees a ball and hits like he should, this batting for the team is the silliest thing I have ever heard. if slogging is all you can do, admit it rather than pretending to be a martyr for the team. If you are naturally aggressive, play to your strength. If you are a limited player and can only tuk, understand your limitations and play that role. Don't blame your carelessness or limitations on "batting for the team".
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P.S I don't know how to link single posts
 
Indiafan said:
P.S I don't know how to link single posts
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The post number is the link to single post you can see the post number at the right side of every post where the report button is...Click that number to copy the link for single post in a thread...

For example my post number in this thread is #688 as you can see at the right...
 
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WebGuru said:
The post number is the link to single post you can see the post number at the right side of every post where the report button is...Click that number to copy the link for single post in a thread...

For example my post number in this thread is #688 as you can see at the right...
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Got it, thanks buddy!
 
Good post but no disrespect intended, he won the POTW with one nomination? That too of his own?
 
I think we should have a poster of the week also.. if someone posts good posts along the week, but none of his posts is good enough to win on it's own, it will be better to recognise someone with consistently good posting record.
 
PB said:
Good post but no disrespect intended, he won the POTW with one nomination? That too of his own?
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I think the nominations are just to bring good posts to the notice of Mods. The final decision on which one wins is still taken by the Mods so number of nominations don't matter. I might be wrong though
 
Lols

Complaints aside, IndiaFan deserves more than 3 POTW's, he has some real gems that were never rewarded
 
Too many good nominations for this week, mods will have a tough job
 
Khaleefa said:
I mean, how can you nominate your own post for POTW? To me personally, it feels very weird and cheesy. Your post should speak for itself, shouldn't it?
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Mods do not have the time to go through each and every post. The whole purpose of this thread was to bring such posts to their attention. The posters dont 'vote' for a POTW, they can just nominate
 
Khaleefa said:
I mean, how can you nominate your own post for POTW? To me personally, it feels very weird and cheesy. Your post should speak for itself, shouldn't it?
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I agree. I am this close to starting a separate thread on this.

No offense to anyone, but in my opinion anyone who pushes for their own nomination should be instantly disqualified from winning it.

If you're not good enough to be noticed by someone else, you're not good enough. Try harder.
 
Cryin Out Loud said:
I agree. I am this close to starting a separate thread on this.

No offense to anyone, but in my opinion anyone who pushes for their own nomination should be instantly disqualified from winning it.

If you're not good enough to be noticed by someone else, you're not good enough. Try harder.
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So where are your wonderful articles recently? Some people like WebGuru put in a lot of time and effort into their articles and these things keep them going. Its very easy to sit back and criticize someone who has made some effort into their writing while posting once in a month

I find this a very interesting part of sub-continental culture that any kind of self-promotion and wanting rewards is looked down upon. Why? It's like those who do anything need to be altruistic first and the once who receive the service have all the rights to criticize it and demand more. How is this ever going to encourage people to do better in any field.

The whole purpose of such awards is to encourage more and more people to come up with quality posts, not to have an elitist group which gets judged and pats themselves on their back
 
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Reverselap said:
Lols

Complaints aside, IndiaFan deserves more than 3 POTW's, he has some real gems that were never rewarded
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Yeah but he couldn't back up his ideas in at least one of the POTW and left the building against my arguements.
 
Indiafan said:
So where are your wonderful articles recently?
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Not wonderful enough for someone else to nominate me, and I'm happy with that, savvy?

Some people like WebGuru put in a lot of time and effort into their articles and these things keep them going. Its very easy to sit back and criticize someone who has made some effort into their writing while posting once in a month
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I'm not criticizing his writing the article, it's wonderful that he spends the time. I'm against the attitude that says "hey I've written a great article, now gimme".

Because with that attitude all people may end up doing is writing long and convoluted posts to get the award. And I think that is happening.

I find this a very interesting part of sub-continental culture that any kind of self-promotion and wanting rewards is looked down upon.
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What made you think it is (a) Sub-continental culture only or (b( Sub-continental culture in the first place?

I could argue equally likely that sub-continental culture is actually people jostling and pushing to promote themselves, some with merit but mostly without equivalent merit.

The whole purpose of such awards is to encourage more and more people to come up with quality posts, not to have an elitist group which gets judged and pats themselves on their back
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But asking for nomination is the foremost part of patting yourself on the back. And it leads to a group that turns up on these pages asking for it.
 
web gurus post on afridi is an impact player.... first time voting for it but that was a good analysis. :P
 
Re: The Official POTW and QOTW Nominations Thread!

Generally potws are being given to long posts that say the obvious.

I would recommend that potws are given to insightful posts.

Ie posts that highlight things that are not obvious.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Generally potws are being given to long posts that say the obvious.

I would recommend that potws are given to insightful posts.

Ie posts that highlight things that are not obvious.
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True Kji , on day 2 of 2nd test at Lords,my opening post was very incisive ,insightful, full of prophecy .... but no one nominated me :(
 
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